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A rather amusing take on Trump's court at Mar-a-Lago.

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Fuck..

Reading through this confirms he is/was a certifiable loon!..

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Hair raising stuff about the possibility of Democracy being killed off in the US:
You can win the presidency even while getting blown out in both the popular vote and the Electoral College, provided your party:
  • Controls the House and Senate.
  • Constitutes a congressional majority in 26 states.
  • Has sufficient raw political will.
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According to Politico, the idea of packing the Supreme Court will be going nowhere soon. The report says that a number of Democrat senators won’t go along with it.
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Fangle wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:13 pm According to Politico, the idea of packing the Supreme Court will be going nowhere soon. The report says that a number of Democrat senators won’t go along with it.
Term limits, I imagine, will be an easier sell; they've been discussed forever, & ultimately, they're the longer term solution to the politicization of the most important Court in the land.
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Fangle wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:13 pm According to Politico, the idea of packing the Supreme Court will be going nowhere soon. The report says that a number of Democrat senators won’t go along with it.
I think the Dems are doing what the GQP did to them while Trump was in office; overwhelm the media apparatus with so many stories that they can't really focus on what is actually passing while all this outrage is being generated.

The Republican base is easy to mobilise against a single cause if Fox/OAN/NewsMax and the online publications have one target...be it Obamacare or Hillary/Bengazi. But if you throw something new at them every couple of days the base will also get outrage fatigue like the Dem base did under Trump.

So between DC statehood and Supreme Court expansion and The Green New Deal and and and...The administration can try to get some other less controversial bills passed. Without all these Dead on Arrival Bills being front and center in the Right Wing Media ecosystem, they would focus all their energy on stonewalling the reasonable ones (Covid relief, infrastructure etc.)
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Blake wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:02 am
Fangle wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:13 pm According to Politico, the idea of packing the Supreme Court will be going nowhere soon. The report says that a number of Democrat senators won’t go along with it.
I think the Dems are doing what the GQP did to them while Trump was in office; overwhelm the media apparatus with so many stories that they can't really focus on what is actually passing while all this outrage is being generated.

The Republican base is easy to mobilise against a single cause if Fox/OAN/NewsMax and the online publications have one target...be it Obamacare or Hillary/Bengazi. But if you throw something new at them every couple of days the base will also get outrage fatigue like the Dem base did under Trump.

So between DC statehood and Supreme Court expansion and The Green New Deal and and and...The administration can try to get some other less controversial bills passed. Without all these Dead on Arrival Bills being front and center in the Right Wing Media ecosystem, they would focus all their energy on stonewalling the reasonable ones (Covid relief, infrastructure etc.)
If that's the strategy (and I'm not convinced that it is), then it's doomed to failure.

I doubt Trump's Base is likely to be able to distinguish between a specific grievance and a general one.
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Giulianis apartment has been raided in connection with the Ukraine investigation.

What’s happening with all Trumps lawsuits?
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Slick wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:42 pm Giulianis apartment has been raided in connection with the Ukraine investigation.

What’s happening with all Trumps lawsuits?
The wheels of Justice grind slowly; but they grind very fine !

Cohen has spent hours with the SDNY DAs, & has passed over a bunch of documents.

Weisleberg (sp?), his, 'fixer', is under intense focus, & the SDNY has questioned his ex-DIL, & son; & made it abundantly clear, that if he doesn't cooperate; they've enough evidence to sling his son in prison for a few years.

The defamation case by the woman who accused him of rape; & who kept the dress with the DNA; has resumed progress; now he can't hide behind being POTUS; & the next logical step is a demand for his DNA.

The Tax records are with the Congress, & he lost that case too; so his record of losing every case is going the same direction of all his cases against the legitimate election.

There's also the minor matter of him interfering in the election in Georgia, & doing so on tape, & in the way that a five year old can tell what was happening !

All of these are State charges; so there's no pardon incoming; even if the GOP were in power !

[Edit] Oh, and then there must be fifty of these lawsuits; where the shitgibbon, welched on debts his campaign owed to cities around the country; for his fluffer events.
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Can’t wait for all those to really kick off.

It just another bunch of shiny things for the right wing media ecosystem to focus on and distract the MAGA base while the Dems move forward with their agenda.
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fishfoodie wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:33 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:42 pm Giulianis apartment has been raided in connection with the Ukraine investigation.

What’s happening with all Trumps lawsuits?
The wheels of Justice grind slowly; but they grind very fine !

Cohen has spent hours with the SDNY DAs, & has passed over a bunch of documents.

Weisleberg (sp?), his, 'fixer', is under intense focus, & the SDNY has questioned his ex-DIL, & son; & made it abundantly clear, that if he doesn't cooperate; they've enough evidence to sling his son in prison for a few years.

The defamation case by the woman who accused him of rape; & who kept the dress with the DNA; has resumed progress; now he can't hide behind being POTUS; & the next logical step is a demand for his DNA.

The Tax records are with the Congress, & he lost that case too; so his record of losing every case is going the same direction of all his cases against the legitimate election.

There's also the minor matter of him interfering in the election in Georgia, & doing so on tape, & in the way that a five year old can tell what was happening !

All of these are State charges; so there's no pardon incoming; even if the GOP were in power !

[Edit] Oh, and then there must be fifty of these lawsuits; where the shitgibbon, welched on debts his campaign owed to cities around the country; for his fluffer events.
Well this is all good news, cheers!

Although you just know the fucker is going to crawl away from it all somehow
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Slick wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:07 am
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:33 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:42 pm Giulianis apartment has been raided in connection with the Ukraine investigation.

What’s happening with all Trumps lawsuits?
The wheels of Justice grind slowly; but they grind very fine !

Cohen has spent hours with the SDNY DAs, & has passed over a bunch of documents.

Weisleberg (sp?), his, 'fixer', is under intense focus, & the SDNY has questioned his ex-DIL, & son; & made it abundantly clear, that if he doesn't cooperate; they've enough evidence to sling his son in prison for a few years.

The defamation case by the woman who accused him of rape; & who kept the dress with the DNA; has resumed progress; now he can't hide behind being POTUS; & the next logical step is a demand for his DNA.

The Tax records are with the Congress, & he lost that case too; so his record of losing every case is going the same direction of all his cases against the legitimate election.

There's also the minor matter of him interfering in the election in Georgia, & doing so on tape, & in the way that a five year old can tell what was happening !

All of these are State charges; so there's no pardon incoming; even if the GOP were in power !

[Edit] Oh, and then there must be fifty of these lawsuits; where the shitgibbon, welched on debts his campaign owed to cities around the country; for his fluffer events.
Well this is all good news, cheers!

Although you just know the fucker is going to crawl away from it all somehow
I suspect he'll avoid them all by dying from an old age related illness...
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Grandpa wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:26 am
Slick wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:07 am
fishfoodie wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:33 pm

The wheels of Justice grind slowly; but they grind very fine !

Cohen has spent hours with the SDNY DAs, & has passed over a bunch of documents.

Weisleberg (sp?), his, 'fixer', is under intense focus, & the SDNY has questioned his ex-DIL, & son; & made it abundantly clear, that if he doesn't cooperate; they've enough evidence to sling his son in prison for a few years.

The defamation case by the woman who accused him of rape; & who kept the dress with the DNA; has resumed progress; now he can't hide behind being POTUS; & the next logical step is a demand for his DNA.

The Tax records are with the Congress, & he lost that case too; so his record of losing every case is going the same direction of all his cases against the legitimate election.

There's also the minor matter of him interfering in the election in Georgia, & doing so on tape, & in the way that a five year old can tell what was happening !

All of these are State charges; so there's no pardon incoming; even if the GOP were in power !

[Edit] Oh, and then there must be fifty of these lawsuits; where the shitgibbon, welched on debts his campaign owed to cities around the country; for his fluffer events.
Well this is all good news, cheers!

Although you just know the fucker is going to crawl away from it all somehow
I suspect he'll avoid them all by dying from an old age related illness...
A lot of the cases don't go away, even if he stuffs it.

The majority of cases are against the org itself, & its officers; & his campaign; so all his kids & SiL are roped in, & Eric, & Ivanka have both been deposed in NY.
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Rudi has really lost it since after 9/11 and he was referred to as America’s mayor.
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Trump launches the biggest and best social platform ever...

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/desk

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The Matt Gaetz story gets sleazier, & deeper every day; & unless he has evidence that will put the shitgibbon himself inside for a few years; he has to be looking at spending at least the next decade inside.

His "wingman", aka procurer; has had the number of charges he faces reduced by three quarters; which means he's been singing like a canary; & the only person he has to sing about is Gaetz.

The Daily beast finally nailed down witnesses to one of the, "parties"; & we now know, that in return for fucking the gruesome twosome; one of the young women involved, got a, "no-show", job in local Government offices, courtesy of the Florida tax payers. She also snorted coke off a bathroom counter with Matt; & big spender Matt, put the whole thing down as a campaign expense ......

Fraud, sex trafficking, campaign finance violations, corruption, paying bribes .....

He.is.totally.fucked ..... & it couldn't happen to a more deserving piece of shit !
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Oh, I hope so!
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And, in a shock move, the GOP torpedoes the enquiry into the insurrection.

If it were them with the majorities, the filibuster would be dead and the enquiry would be hauling people in for waterboarding by now. But it's the Democrats, who are just shit at displays of unity and strength.
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fishfoodie wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 11:41 pm The Matt Gaetz story gets sleazier, & deeper every day; & unless he has evidence that will put the shitgibbon himself inside for a few years; he has to be looking at spending at least the next decade inside.

His "wingman", aka procurer; has had the number of charges he faces reduced by three quarters; which means he's been singing like a canary; & the only person he has to sing about is Gaetz.

The Daily beast finally nailed down witnesses to one of the, "parties"; & we now know, that in return for fucking the gruesome twosome; one of the young women involved, got a, "no-show", job in local Government offices, courtesy of the Florida tax payers. She also snorted coke off a bathroom counter with Matt; & big spender Matt, put the whole thing down as a campaign expense ......

Fraud, sex trafficking, campaign finance violations, corruption, paying bribes .....

He.is.totally.fucked ..... & it couldn't happen to a more deserving piece of shit !
I have this terrible.... no strike that; I have this wonderful feeling that Matty boy; & possibly his dear old Dad; might have added another decade or so worth of charges to the rap sheet.

Florida congressman Matt Gaetz, who has blamed extortionists for his slew of sex scandals, now says “malicious actors” stole more than $150,000 from him as he tried to buy a boat.

A spokesperson for Mr Gaetz told WFLA that a large amount of money “went missing” after the congressman and his fiancee, Ginger Luckey, attempted to buy a $155,000 yacht named Ol Pappy.

...
So he was facing a slew of charges; which depended on witnesses corroborating each others accounts (because just the testimony of a co-conspirator won't cut it), & after he became aware that he was in deep shit; he withdrew a shit load of money, & it; "disappeared" .....

Witness tampering in Federal cases has a 20 year sentencing guideline, & the accompanying Obstruction charge will probably get you another decade for free.

I hope he does every day of it; if only as an example to the other GOP shitstains.
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Ginger Luckey sounds fun!
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Slick wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 9:44 am Ginger Luckey sounds fun!
And smart!
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Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:55 am
Slick wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 9:44 am Ginger Luckey sounds fun!
And smart!
And tasty!
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Gumboot wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:02 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:55 am
Slick wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 9:44 am Ginger Luckey sounds fun!
And smart!
And tasty!
No, ginger birds smell of piss
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No "Biden bounce" of improved perceptions of the US in Germany and France according to poll.

I wonder if the US will ever reclaim the sort of prestige it enjoyed on the world stage prior to 2016? I think the antics of Trump coupled with the revelation of the US spying on Germany some years earlier and the gun violence/BLM stuff have permanently damaged worldwide perceptions of the US.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/no-bid ... 021-06-07/
The United States' reputation as the leading global power has suffered in France and Germany because of Washington's handling of the COVID-19 pandemic that has killed nearly 600,000 Americans, a poll showed on Monday.

On the eve of President Joe Biden's trip to Europe, the survey by the German Marshall Fund and the Bertelsmann Foundation said he had not won back the standing of the United States as it was before COVID-19 struck. China's reputation had risen slightly.

According to U.S. research papers released on March 26, the United States under Biden's predecessor Donald Trump could have avoided nearly 400,000 deaths with a more effective strategy.

"The first three months of the Biden administration have not affected French and German views of U.S. influence in the world," the study of views in 11 countries said.

"These numbers are in line with the results of the 2020 survey, which had fallen by about 10 points from the pre-pandemic numbers, to the advantage of China."

That compares with the perception within the United States that U.S. influence abroad has risen, the survey found.

Biden embarks on his first European tour as president on Wednesday to attend G7, NATO and European Union summits. He faces the challenge of repairing transatlantic ties damaged by Trump, whose withdrawal from international agreements and sharp criticism of NATO undermined European faith in Washington.

Only 51% of Germans see the United States as a reliable partner, rising to 60% in France, 67% in Britain and 76% in Poland. Fewer than a quarter of Turks trust the United States. Most Americans regard the European Union as a reliable partner, the study said.

A majority of respondents surveyed still think that the United States should be involved in the defence and security of Europe, except in Sweden, where views are divided, and Turkey.

Conducted online between March 29 and April 13, the survey sampled 1,000 adults in each of the 11 countries - Canada, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, the United Kingdom, and the United States.
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Perception of the US won't improve significantly, while there is a stinking turd in the corner, claiming that the largest Election the Country ever held; was rigged; & is supported by a depressing percentage of the population.

The rest of the world knows that they could revert back to the dumpster fire mode at any moment; & now we all know that the; "Checks & Balances"; don't exist !
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Marylandolorian wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:17 pm
Hugo wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:47 am No "Biden bounce" of improved perceptions of the US in Germany and France according to poll.

I wonder if the US will ever reclaim the sort of prestige it enjoyed on the world stage prior to 2016? I think the antics of Trump coupled with the revelation of the US spying on Germany some years earlier and the gun violence/BLM stuff have permanently damaged worldwide perceptions of the US.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/no-bid ... 021-06-07/
The United States' reputation as the leading global power has suffered in France and Germany because of Washington's handling of the COVID-19 pandemic that has killed nearly 600,000 Americans, a poll showed on Monday.

On the eve of President Joe Biden's trip to Europe, the survey by the German Marshall Fund and the Bertelsmann Foundation said he had not won back the standing of the United States as it was before COVID-19 struck. China's reputation had risen slightly.

According to U.S. research papers released on March 26, the United States under Biden's predecessor Donald Trump could have avoided nearly 400,000 deaths with a more effective strategy.

"The first three months of the Biden administration have not affected French and German views of U.S. influence in the world," the study of views in 11 countries said.

"These numbers are in line with the results of the 2020 survey, which had fallen by about 10 points from the pre-pandemic numbers, to the advantage of China
." :lol: :lol: :bimbo:

That compares with the perception within the United States that U.S. influence abroad has risen, the survey found.

Biden embarks on his first European tour as president on Wednesday to attend G7, NATO and European Union summits. He faces the challenge of repairing transatlantic ties damaged by Trump, whose withdrawal from international agreements and sharp criticism of NATO undermined European faith in Washington.

Only 51% of Germans see the United States as a reliable partner, rising to 60% in France, 67% in Britain and 76% in Poland. Fewer than a quarter of Turks trust the United States. Most Americans regard the European Union as a reliable partner, the study said.

A majority of respondents surveyed still think that the United States should be involved in the defence and security of Europe
, except in Sweden, where views are divided, and Turkey.

Conducted online between March 29 and April 13, the survey sampled 1,000 adults in each of the 11 countries -
Canada, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Sweden, Turkey , the United Kingdom, and the United States.
Really, China numbers went up ? Because these assholes 3 millions of people died , millions will have covid related health issues for the rest of their life and the world economy lost trillions of $ but they gain 10 points , sad world.

The survey was done first part of April, maybe the views will change a bit now that the US gave 500 million doses of Pfizer to poorer countries .... or maybe not.
I think its probably a reflection of the way the media have covered the pandemic. Criticism of China has been relatively muted in comparison to the criticism levelled at various govts mishandling of the response. Foremost amongst which was the Trump administration. There's also the element of Asian people being beaten up in the US (and the Atlanta shooting) which has further soured perceptions of America.

Up until only very recently the notion that the virus came from a lab was dismissed as a conspiracy theory. If the Biden investigation turns up evidence that it did I would imagine public opinion will shift.
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TB63 wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:40 pm
She's never made more sense!!
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I'm kind of interested to see where this goes.

If they indict Trump, will his base stage another coup?
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Rinkals wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:43 pm

I'm kind of interested to see where this goes.

If they indict Trump, will his base stage another coup?
It's been telegraphed from a long way off; & I think the NY Bar association started getting complaints from hundreds of lawyers; as soon as the douch bag started the big fraud lie.

I've less than zero sympathy for him; or anyone else, who peddles the election fraud lies; they're treasonous traitors, & nothing less; & anything that comes their way is fully deserved.
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fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:59 pm
Rinkals wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:43 pm

I'm kind of interested to see where this goes.

If they indict Trump, will his base stage another coup?
It's been telegraphed from a long way off; & I think the NY Bar association started getting complaints from hundreds of lawyers; as soon as the douch bag started the big fraud lie.

I've less than zero sympathy for him; or anyone else, who peddles the election fraud lies; they're treasonous traitors, & nothing less; & anything that comes their way is fully deserved.

Just read the highlights of the panel's judgement. Sounds like this was the easiest decision they've ever made, and also reads like they quite enjoyed ripping Rudi's arguments to shreds. There's going to be an appeal, but he has absolutely no evidence to back him up - as was noted even after being presented with proof that he was spouting complete nonsense, he continued.
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Saint wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:13 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:59 pm
Rinkals wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:43 pm

I'm kind of interested to see where this goes.

If they indict Trump, will his base stage another coup?
It's been telegraphed from a long way off; & I think the NY Bar association started getting complaints from hundreds of lawyers; as soon as the douch bag started the big fraud lie.

I've less than zero sympathy for him; or anyone else, who peddles the election fraud lies; they're treasonous traitors, & nothing less; & anything that comes their way is fully deserved.

Just read the highlights of the panel's judgement. Sounds like this was the easiest decision they've ever made, and also reads like they quite enjoyed ripping Rudi's arguments to shreds. There's going to be an appeal, but he has absolutely no evidence to back him up - as was noted even after being presented with proof that he was spouting complete nonsense, he continued.
I'm not surprised.

He's hitching his wagon to the notion that he no longer needs to have an actual job; he can just have a gig parroting bullshit to right-wing media.

His only problem is that the suits by voting machine companies, have already put the wind up all of the scumbag media; & no-one in their right mind is going to invite Rudi to give his opinion on anything; because even if you don't lose the case; you spend a fortune on lawyers; the loss of advertising dollars is ruinous. He's just cancer at this point to any media outlet !
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In another RICO update; the SDNY has warned the Trump Org; that it's going to proceed against; "The Organization" !, probably within a week.

So they have a series of criminal acts; from the hush payments, to the bank valuations, to insurance valuations; & un-taxed BIK stuff for senior officers. All of these together show the Org as a criminal enterprise over decades.

and then the kicker .... the point being made by an ex-senior DA, is that no Bank will have anything to do with a company that is; not just under investigation; but under indictment, & in those circumstances; the banks would all call in their loans; & the Turd org, would go into bankruptcy immediately !

The SDNY has given up looking for heads; & now their just going to burn the Organization to the ground, & fish around in the debris for people to throw in jail; & be satisfied with removing a cancer from their State.
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Is this all tax-related, though?

As I understand it, it's a question of paying up and all being forgiven.

Mind you, I'm not sure what the Trump Org fiscal reserves are. Maybe it'll force him into a seventh bankruptcy. He'll probably be alright, though: Vlad will probably stump up for him and his base will continue to donate funds.
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Rinkals wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:53 am Is this all tax-related, though?

As I understand it, it's a question of paying up and all being forgiven.

Mind you, I'm not sure what the Trump Org fiscal reserves are. Maybe it'll force him into a seventh bankruptcy. He'll probably be alright, though: Vlad will probably stump up for him and his base will continue to donate funds.

The valuation stuff is fraud; there's also potential bribery and corruption cases in there. It will be interesting to see what the initial charges might be
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Not sure I would want to drive through any hardcore Trump areas in that.
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Granted I don't follow domestic US news closely but things seem far quieter than I would expect them to be. No storming of state capitols or terrorist attacks for example. That I know of anyway. What should I make of this?
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GogLais wrote: Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:51 pm Granted I don't follow domestic US news closely but things seem far quieter than I would expect them to be. No storming of state capitols or terrorist attacks for example. That I know of anyway. What should I make of this?
It's difficult to separate the conspiracy theories from what we see from interviews of punters at Trump's Ohio rally.

At the heart of a conspiracy theory, there is a plan. The conspirators have an objective, and they work together to manipulate events to further that objective.

The weakness in a lot of conspiracy theories is that the number of people who would be required to maintain absolute silence makes them implausible.

In this case, I don't think there is any planned and coordinated action; rather, I think there is a general objective - return Trump to the Presidency in August - and there are disparate groups working separately to influence events which would make it easier for that to happen.

On Fox News and other pro-Trump outlets, there have been unprecedented attacks on the Military Leadership in the last few days and I've read opinions that view this as part of an attempt to drive a wedge between the rank-and-file and Command. The feeling is that the January 6th could have succeeded but that the Generals failed to support it. By undermining their authority and appealing to the other ranks, the feeling is that the anticipated support from the Military would be more likely to materialise. General Flynn's comments about the Myanmar coup would seem to support this.

Of course this all could be highly fanciful rubbish, but it does seem that a lot of the attendees of Trump's rally believe it.
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