PoliticsCalculon wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:57 pm What's the reasoning behind not mandating wearing a mask in enclosed public spaces? That seems premature to me.
So, coronavirus...
They want people to be free and have the personal choice as to whether they risk infecting others. They won't have to social distance either.
In other words they have abdicated any responsibility for their public health responsibilities and ultimately the primary function of any Government - keeping the population safe?
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Javid and Sunak have already said they're finding solutions so people don't have to isolate if it harms their work.Ovals wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:35 pmThis ^Sandstorm wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:52 pmNo surprise UK is back to bad leadership making bad decisions. One win of the vaccines can’t hide all the other cock-ups they continue to make.Raggs wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:32 pm So we have more people entering hospital with covid, more people in hospital with covid, and more people on mechanical ventilators, than we did at the same point 12 months ago. 12 months ago we were still extending restrictions of lockdown, not looking to open up, unsurprisingly.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
So even if people don't die of it, the wards will be filling, the ICU's will be filling, and people will be dying due to lack of care.
Our Government has been pretty useless and their poor decision making has been bailed out by the success of the vaccine programme. Removing the mask mandate just makes no sense at all.
Even with the 'link' being weakened - this huge growth in cases is going to be very bad for the economy - so many people having to miss work, school etc. and many people are certain to modify their behaviour and start avoiding the (indoor) places that are being opened up.
Going to be a tough few months methinks. Cases after the final today are going to explode.
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Solutions eh !!.I like neeps wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:01 pmJavid and Sunak have already said they're finding solutions so people don't have to isolate if it harms their work.Ovals wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:35 pmThis ^Sandstorm wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:52 pm
No surprise UK is back to bad leadership making bad decisions. One win of the vaccines can’t hide all the other cock-ups they continue to make.
Our Government has been pretty useless and their poor decision making has been bailed out by the success of the vaccine programme. Removing the mask mandate just makes no sense at all.
Even with the 'link' being weakened - this huge growth in cases is going to be very bad for the economy - so many people having to miss work, school etc. and many people are certain to modify their behaviour and start avoiding the (indoor) places that are being opened up.
Going to be a tough few months methinks. Cases after the final today are going to explode.
Yep - they've just given up altogether - but, still claim they aren't going for herd immunity through letting Covid run riot.
My Daughter's family are all isolating because their 14 year old has come home from school with Covid - so that's no work for 10 days for my son-in-law - he;s had to cancel all the clients he'd scheduled - and no school for the 4 kids - one of whom was just about to finish isolating after another schoolkid had it. It's chaos.
Your friend doesn’t have to isolate if his kid has Covid. Just do a lateral flow test and organise those meetingsOvals wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:41 pmSolutions eh !!.I like neeps wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:01 pmJavid and Sunak have already said they're finding solutions so people don't have to isolate if it harms their work.Ovals wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:35 pm
This ^
Our Government has been pretty useless and their poor decision making has been bailed out by the success of the vaccine programme. Removing the mask mandate just makes no sense at all.
Even with the 'link' being weakened - this huge growth in cases is going to be very bad for the economy - so many people having to miss work, school etc. and many people are certain to modify their behaviour and start avoiding the (indoor) places that are being opened up.
Going to be a tough few months methinks. Cases after the final today are going to explode.
Yep - they've just given up altogether - but, still claim they aren't going for herd immunity through letting Covid run riot.
My Daughter's family are all isolating because their 14 year old has come home from school with Covid - so that's no work for 10 days for my son-in-law - he;s had to cancel all the clients he'd scheduled - and no school for the 4 kids - one of whom was just about to finish isolating after another schoolkid had it. It's chaos.
They've checked, and yes they do all have to isolate.Sandstorm wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:57 pmYour friend doesn’t have to isolate if his kid has Covid. Just do a lateral flow test and organise those meetingsOvals wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:41 pmSolutions eh !!.I like neeps wrote: Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:01 pm
Javid and Sunak have already said they're finding solutions so people don't have to isolate if it harms their work.
Going to be a tough few months methinks. Cases after the final today are going to explode.
Yep - they've just given up altogether - but, still claim they aren't going for herd immunity through letting Covid run riot.
My Daughter's family are all isolating because their 14 year old has come home from school with Covid - so that's no work for 10 days for my son-in-law - he;s had to cancel all the clients he'd scheduled - and no school for the 4 kids - one of whom was just about to finish isolating after another schoolkid had it. It's chaos.
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Call from my daughter this morning, the entire year group being sent home to self-isolate. 
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
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It's worse than that, he simply doesn't give a shit about all us proles.
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Graph of jab bookings per day using online platform Dotcolib.
Yesterday Macron announced they were going to mandate covid passes in the future (vax, test) for people to go into cafes, long distance trains etc...
Yesterday Macron announced they were going to mandate covid passes in the future (vax, test) for people to go into cafes, long distance trains etc...
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London Temporary Body Storage Service bid, £6 million for the next 4 years 
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“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
It's a replacement for an existing contract (which in turn was a replacement etc.). Westminster Council is responsible for "holding facilities" for bodies for the whole capital - including in the event of terrorist attack, natural disaster etc, all of which are more likely in the capital than elsewhere. Quite literally social media managing 2+2=5Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:25 am London Temporary Body Storage Service bid, £6 million for the next 4 years
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Source?Saint wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:41 amIt's a replacement for an existing contract (which in turn was a replacement etc.). Westminster Council is responsible for "holding facilities" for bodies for the whole capital - including in the event of terrorist attack, natural disaster etc, all of which are more likely in the capital than elsewhere. Quite literally social media managing 2+2=5Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:25 am London Temporary Body Storage Service bid, £6 million for the next 4 years
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https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2021/W23/752550337
Indicators.
- This is a one-off contract (no recurrence)
Renewals are not available
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL2N2O6230Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:08 amSource?Saint wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:41 amIt's a replacement for an existing contract (which in turn was a replacement etc.). Westminster Council is responsible for "holding facilities" for bodies for the whole capital - including in the event of terrorist attack, natural disaster etc, all of which are more likely in the capital than elsewhere. Quite literally social media managing 2+2=5Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:25 am London Temporary Body Storage Service bid, £6 million for the next 4 years
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https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2021/W23/752550337
Indicators.
- This is a one-off contract (no recurrence)
Renewals are not available
One off contract and no renewals means that the exact specifics this time are different to last time, and that it can't be automatically renewed or rolled over - it will be re-tendered in 4 years time, where it will also be a "one off" tender. We're on all sorts of central and local government contracts which use this language each and every time
Just FYI, it's also unlikely to actually cost £6 million. I don't know ANY of the actual commercials, but it's likely that there will be a retainer fee with a "per use" type cost; the £6 million will likely be the maximum expected cost based on x number of uses over the 4 year term
Some interesting number crunching going on over deaths over the pandemic period:
Deaths within 28 days of a positive test - 128,431
Deaths with Covid 19 mentioned on death cert - 152,856
Excess deaths - 114,789
Bearing in mind, at the start of this excess deaths were WAY ahead of other measures, it's showing the effects the lockdown(s) and other precautionary measures have had on other causes of death.
Deaths within 28 days of a positive test - 128,431
Deaths with Covid 19 mentioned on death cert - 152,856
Excess deaths - 114,789
Bearing in mind, at the start of this excess deaths were WAY ahead of other measures, it's showing the effects the lockdown(s) and other precautionary measures have had on other causes of death.
An update on the whole EU recognising "Indian" AZ vaccines admistered in the UK.
For the moment at least the EU continues to refuse to recognise them as legitimate. However, it appears that EU countries are ignoring this at whatever border checks they have and are letting people in if they have NHS Covid records, regardless of which vaccine it is.
For the moment at least the EU continues to refuse to recognise them as legitimate. However, it appears that EU countries are ignoring this at whatever border checks they have and are letting people in if they have NHS Covid records, regardless of which vaccine it is.
Yanks?Saint wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:51 pm An update on the whole EU recognising "Indian" AZ vaccines admistered in the UK.
For the moment at least the EU continues to refuse to recognise them as legitimate. However, it appears that EU countries are ignoring this at whatever border checks they have and are letting people in if they have NHS Covid records, regardless of which vaccine it is.
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:00 pmYanks?Saint wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:51 pm An update on the whole EU recognising "Indian" AZ vaccines admistered in the UK.
For the moment at least the EU continues to refuse to recognise them as legitimate. However, it appears that EU countries are ignoring this at whatever border checks they have and are letting people in if they have NHS Covid records, regardless of which vaccine it is.
US border is effectively closed to Europe still. Number 1 job for them still is to reopen the Canadian border - to do that they need to allow virtually everything, as Canada has been fairly "liberal" with their Vax programme - starting with EXTREMELY long gaps between Jab 1 & 2, then moving on to mixing AZ and mRNA after the AZ panic set in.
The next announcement due there is 21st July, and oddly enough, it's down to Canada - it looks like the US would fully reopen to them tomorrow if Canada reciprocated.
After that's done I would expect things to move forwards fairly rapidly
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What EU dictates that the submissive countries do is irrelevant as the EU is on the brink of collapse over the two catastrophes, one of not finishing its vaccination programmes this week as the UK and Canada are doing, thanks to the hundreds of millions of Novavax and Valneva doses delivered by end of H1. The EU was intransigent and rightly got dumped from negotiations as they spread Fake News over unfounded concerns about the companies' abilities to produce a material number of doses before the initial vaccination campaign draws to a close, thereafter making them redundant.
The second is the dictation itself, their failure to accept our honest guv information relayed means they are making decisions on a political rather than scientific basis. Everyone knows our British Jabs are superior, hence why we rightly don't accept the dirty European made jabs as a waiver to quarantine or travel restrictions. The EU has capitulated to the corporate industries of Big Travel and Big Holidays whom have promoted this nonsense of finding a base ground to allow for travel to resume based on the information readily available and recognised at the EU level and then expanding it, rather than awaiting the scientific British advice of waiting until all jabs around the world are either approved, manufacturing validated and reciprocated, or rejected.
Grant Schapps was very noble and generous on LBC this morning restating that on his discussions the issue seems to be that there was ignorance by the EU (no surprise) as to whether the UK was delivered Vaxzeria or Covidshield from th SII, with shared MHRA/EMA recognition likely to swiftly come into play once the information is conveyed that the former was what was consumed within the UK. It's of course generous because this information is publicly available and Bojo himself phoned and said honest guv, the SII is wrong when they state they only export Covidshield and they made these Vaxzeria batches specifically for us. All the same vaccine anyway! So you can skip all your usual red tape nonsense you seem to be adhering to avoid legal complications from other suppliers or recipients of other non-approved vaccines from claiming to be discriminated against.
I reckon it will collapse just before 1130 on Friday, the lazy French and Spanish can't be arsed doing anything after midday.
The second is the dictation itself, their failure to accept our honest guv information relayed means they are making decisions on a political rather than scientific basis. Everyone knows our British Jabs are superior, hence why we rightly don't accept the dirty European made jabs as a waiver to quarantine or travel restrictions. The EU has capitulated to the corporate industries of Big Travel and Big Holidays whom have promoted this nonsense of finding a base ground to allow for travel to resume based on the information readily available and recognised at the EU level and then expanding it, rather than awaiting the scientific British advice of waiting until all jabs around the world are either approved, manufacturing validated and reciprocated, or rejected.
Grant Schapps was very noble and generous on LBC this morning restating that on his discussions the issue seems to be that there was ignorance by the EU (no surprise) as to whether the UK was delivered Vaxzeria or Covidshield from th SII, with shared MHRA/EMA recognition likely to swiftly come into play once the information is conveyed that the former was what was consumed within the UK. It's of course generous because this information is publicly available and Bojo himself phoned and said honest guv, the SII is wrong when they state they only export Covidshield and they made these Vaxzeria batches specifically for us. All the same vaccine anyway! So you can skip all your usual red tape nonsense you seem to be adhering to avoid legal complications from other suppliers or recipients of other non-approved vaccines from claiming to be discriminated against.
I reckon it will collapse just before 1130 on Friday, the lazy French and Spanish can't be arsed doing anything after midday.
Daughter has just found out a flatmate has been diagnosed positive for covid. She should now isolate. However they are supposed to be moving out of her rented accommodation today and move to new flat across town (London) - van, pick up of keys is all booked for today. She has to be out of current property today. Two options - ask if she can extend lease for a week/10 days, assuming new tenants aren't moving in asap, or continue with move but mask and glove up and avoid all contact/socially distance etc when picking up van and collecting keys. She has had one jab and is testing using LFTs and so far is negative. Bit of a bummer! New flatmate is moving into new flat with her as well so a bit worried she also contracts covid, if she hasn't already done so. It is awful being 400 miles away and not able to help.
I would imagine that the new tenants would need to be informed of the possible contamination of the property.dpedin wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:36 am Daughter has just found out a flatmate has been diagnosed positive for covid. She should now isolate. However they are supposed to be moving out of her rented accommodation today and move to new flat across town (London) - van, pick up of keys is all booked for today. She has to be out of current property today. Two options - ask if she can extend lease for a week/10 days, assuming new tenants aren't moving in asap, or continue with move but mask and glove up and avoid all contact/socially distance etc when picking up van and collecting keys. She has had one jab and is testing using LFTs and so far is negative. Bit of a bummer! New flatmate is moving into new flat with her as well so a bit worried she also contracts covid, if she hasn't already done so. It is awful being 400 miles away and not able to help.
That might solve the dilemma.
Can they stay in the van for 10 days?Rinkals wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:54 amI would imagine that the new tenants would need to be informed of the possible contamination of the property.dpedin wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:36 am Daughter has just found out a flatmate has been diagnosed positive for covid. She should now isolate. However they are supposed to be moving out of her rented accommodation today and move to new flat across town (London) - van, pick up of keys is all booked for today. She has to be out of current property today. Two options - ask if she can extend lease for a week/10 days, assuming new tenants aren't moving in asap, or continue with move but mask and glove up and avoid all contact/socially distance etc when picking up van and collecting keys. She has had one jab and is testing using LFTs and so far is negative. Bit of a bummer! New flatmate is moving into new flat with her as well so a bit worried she also contracts covid, if she hasn't already done so. It is awful being 400 miles away and not able to help.
That might solve the dilemma.
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OK my theory is this Savid javid is such a crazy Ayn Rand obsessed Objectivism, true believing fucker that even Domonic Cummings thought he needed to surround him with people who could control and advise and keep an eye on him.
He resigned instead of allowing this.
Our new health secretary frankly, is off the scale in terms of scary.
He is wild as fuck.
Now he is running the health system unhindered, we, it are all basically fucked.
He resigned instead of allowing this.
Our new health secretary frankly, is off the scale in terms of scary.
He is wild as fuck.
Now he is running the health system unhindered, we, it are all basically fucked.
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Another horrid consequence, of Covid & lockdowns 
Overdose deaths soared to a record 93,000 last year in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, the U.S. government reported Wednesday.
That provisional estimate by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention far eclipses the high of about 72,000 drug overdose deaths reached the previous year and amounts to a 29% increase.
"This is a staggering loss of human life," said Brandon Marshall, a Brown University public health researcher who tracks overdose trends.
Managed to extend lease on existing house for 10 days, thankfully their landlord is a decent guy. Bit of a pain but better safe than sorry.Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:23 pmCan they stay in the van for 10 days?Rinkals wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:54 amI would imagine that the new tenants would need to be informed of the possible contamination of the property.dpedin wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:36 am Daughter has just found out a flatmate has been diagnosed positive for covid. She should now isolate. However they are supposed to be moving out of her rented accommodation today and move to new flat across town (London) - van, pick up of keys is all booked for today. She has to be out of current property today. Two options - ask if she can extend lease for a week/10 days, assuming new tenants aren't moving in asap, or continue with move but mask and glove up and avoid all contact/socially distance etc when picking up van and collecting keys. She has had one jab and is testing using LFTs and so far is negative. Bit of a bummer! New flatmate is moving into new flat with her as well so a bit worried she also contracts covid, if she hasn't already done so. It is awful being 400 miles away and not able to help.
That might solve the dilemma.
Once we’re vaccinated, will Japan let us back in with no isolation requirements?Kiwias wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:29 pmNow I am waiting for the NZ govt to decide to let vaccinated Kiwis enter NZ without the 2-week isolation requirement.
I haven’t been paying much attention as my city isn’t vaccinating my age group yet. Have given up on getting back over Christmas and hoping for March next year.
I don't even know whether the government here knows the answer to that.FujiKiwi wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:22 pmOnce we’re vaccinated, will Japan let us back in with no isolation requirements?
I haven’t been paying much attention as my city isn’t vaccinating my age group yet. Have given up on getting back over Christmas and hoping for March next year.
520k pinged and have to self isolate in the UK last week, Nissan has 10% of its workforce self isolating. The NHS is struggling and closing beds due to the lack of staff for the same reason. This is what happens when the Blonde Bumblecunt decides the pandemic is over, throw away our masks and we can all have Freedom Day. The idea we can get back to normal when we have increasing numbers of cases and self isolating is just a nonsense, it is a huge drain on the economy. Having covid19 rampaging through the population unchecked will do the economy more harm than good. No doubt the answer the Blonde Bumblecunt will come up with will be to 'amend' the app to stop this happening rather than actually dealing with the root cause. Not surprised that many young folk are deleting the app as they can't afford or don't want to be isolating. Who knew this was going to happen ...
It'll be the public's fault for not being vaccinated, not wanting to catch covid, not spending their money to make sure businessman can still make profits, and wanting to keep their families safe. It's not Johnson's fault, honest.dpedin wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:45 am 520k pinged and have to self isolate in the UK last week, Nissan has 10% of its workforce self isolating. The NHS is struggling and closing beds due to the lack of staff for the same reason. This is what happens when the Blonde Bumblecunt decides the pandemic is over, throw away our masks and we can all have Freedom Day. The idea we can get back to normal when we have increasing numbers of cases and self isolating is just a nonsense, it is a huge drain on the economy. Having covid19 rampaging through the population unchecked will do the economy more harm than good. No doubt the answer the Blonde Bumblecunt will come up with will be to 'amend' the app to stop this happening rather than actually dealing with the root cause. Not surprised that many young folk are deleting the app as they can't afford or don't want to be isolating. Who knew this was going to happen ...
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
So you're advocating we move back to Stage 2?dpedin wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:45 am 520k pinged and have to self isolate in the UK last week, Nissan has 10% of its workforce self isolating. The NHS is struggling and closing beds due to the lack of staff for the same reason. This is what happens when the Blonde Bumblecunt decides the pandemic is over, throw away our masks and we can all have Freedom Day. The idea we can get back to normal when we have increasing numbers of cases and self isolating is just a nonsense, it is a huge drain on the economy. Having covid19 rampaging through the population unchecked will do the economy more harm than good. No doubt the answer the Blonde Bumblecunt will come up with will be to 'amend' the app to stop this happening rather than actually dealing with the root cause. Not surprised that many young folk are deleting the app as they can't afford or don't want to be isolating. Who knew this was going to happen ...
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All bumblecunt has done is abdicated any responsibility to businesses, travel companies and the public. Our work is trying to go through the implications of the guidance they’ve been given. “Suggest that masks be used”, “maintain social distancing”. It’s a total shit show. Social distancing means limited building occupancy. Since it is only a suggestion then if they go with the all in approach then there are going to be people who will not be comfortable with that. And then if the track and trace pings half the building then we’re all out again.Saint wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:50 pmSo you're advocating we move back to Stage 2?dpedin wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:45 am 520k pinged and have to self isolate in the UK last week, Nissan has 10% of its workforce self isolating. The NHS is struggling and closing beds due to the lack of staff for the same reason. This is what happens when the Blonde Bumblecunt decides the pandemic is over, throw away our masks and we can all have Freedom Day. The idea we can get back to normal when we have increasing numbers of cases and self isolating is just a nonsense, it is a huge drain on the economy. Having covid19 rampaging through the population unchecked will do the economy more harm than good. No doubt the answer the Blonde Bumblecunt will come up with will be to 'amend' the app to stop this happening rather than actually dealing with the root cause. Not surprised that many young folk are deleting the app as they can't afford or don't want to be isolating. Who knew this was going to happen ...
Doesn't begin to describe it!!!ScarfaceClaw wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:03 pmAll bumblecunt has done is abdicated any responsibility to businesses, travel companies and the public. Our work is trying to go through the implications of the guidance they’ve been given. “Suggest that masks be used”, “maintain social distancing”. It’s a total shit show. Social distancing means limited building occupancy. Since it is only a suggestion then if they go with the all in approach then there are going to be people who will not be comfortable with that. And then if the track and trace pings half the building then we’re all out again.Saint wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:50 pmSo you're advocating we move back to Stage 2?dpedin wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:45 am 520k pinged and have to self isolate in the UK last week, Nissan has 10% of its workforce self isolating. The NHS is struggling and closing beds due to the lack of staff for the same reason. This is what happens when the Blonde Bumblecunt decides the pandemic is over, throw away our masks and we can all have Freedom Day. The idea we can get back to normal when we have increasing numbers of cases and self isolating is just a nonsense, it is a huge drain on the economy. Having covid19 rampaging through the population unchecked will do the economy more harm than good. No doubt the answer the Blonde Bumblecunt will come up with will be to 'amend' the app to stop this happening rather than actually dealing with the root cause. Not surprised that many young folk are deleting the app as they can't afford or don't want to be isolating. Who knew this was going to happen ...