The Official F1 Thread

[Big D]

Hamilton at fault then.

There really should be more of a penalty for ending someone's race.

[ScarfaceClaw]

10 second penalty for Hamilton.

[Sandstorm]

10 Sec penalty for Lewis.

[salanya]

Hamilton lucky with a 10 second time penalty. Words of Mark Webber 'very soft'....

[Big D]

Lando having a very impressive season.

Bottas not.

[fishfoodie]

Alonso is a rolling roadblock again; just as in the Sprint race, which might fuck up Mercs attempts to drop Lewis in clear air

[fishfoodie]

If Hamilton wins this; I hope Max takes the nose off the Merc in the next race, in the first corner; & then does the same in the next race, ad infintum; safe in the knowledge that he's leading the Championship

[Big D]

Do they publish the stewards decisions?

[fishfoodie]

Do they publish the stewards decisions?

I suspect they'd have to redact Christian Horners comments

[Big D]

Will be a shame if Russell doesn't get any points in the Williams before he leaves.

Not sure he can get too much more out that car.

[JM2K6]

Would be pretty funny if anyone on Verstappen's side started bleating about dangerous driving tbf

[Slick]

That was utterly brilliant by Hamilton and it looks like whatever the opinion of him elsewhere, amongst British racing fans he is absolutely loved.

[Big D]

That was utterly brilliant by Hamilton and it looks like whatever the opinion of him elsewhere, amongst British racing fans he is absolutely loved.

I think there is a fair chance we will see more collisions. Both can drive aggressively and both in the past have gotten it wrong, today it was Hamilton who got it wrong.

[Slick]

That was utterly brilliant by Hamilton and it looks like whatever the opinion of him elsewhere, amongst British racing fans he is absolutely loved.

I think there is a fair chance we will see more collisions. Both can drive aggressively and both in the past have gotten it wrong, today it was Hamilton who got it wrong.

He is usually very fair, not a dirty driver at all, but got it wrong today like you say

[Sandstorm]

That was utterly brilliant by Hamilton and it looks like whatever the opinion of him elsewhere, amongst British racing fans he is absolutely loved.

I think there is a fair chance we will see more collisions. Both can drive aggressively and both in the past have gotten it wrong, today it was Hamilton who got it wrong.

He is usually very fair, not a dirty driver at all, but got it wrong today like you say

Sky showed the last 4 times that Lewis and Max have gone wheel to wheel in the last 12 months and the first 3 Lewis always backed off. Today he didn’t.

Sux to be Max.

[fishfoodie]

I think there is a fair chance we will see more collisions. Both can drive aggressively and both in the past have gotten it wrong, today it was Hamilton who got it wrong.

He is usually very fair, not a dirty driver at all, but got it wrong today like you say

Sky showed the last 4 times that Lewis and Max have gone wheel to wheel in the last 12 months and the first 3 Lewis always backed off. Today he didn’t.

Sux to be Max.

I gonna guess that the first three times, Lewis wasn't behind Max on points ?

I sure hope none of those passing this off as a racing incident today; weren't screaming at their sets when Schumacher did exactly this same thing to Damon.

[JM2K6]

Why go back to Schumacher (who just drove straight into Hill, for the record)? Verstappen himself has racked up a number of ~racing incidents~ like this.

[Sandstorm]

He is usually very fair, not a dirty driver at all, but got it wrong today like you say

Sky showed the last 4 times that Lewis and Max have gone wheel to wheel in the last 12 months and the first 3 Lewis always backed off. Today he didn’t.

Sux to be Max.

I gonna guess that the first three times, Lewis wasn't behind Max on points ?

I sure hope none of those passing this off as a racing incident today; weren't screaming at their sets when Schumacher did exactly this same thing to Damon.

Last one was 2nd 2021 race in Italy, but your point is fair.

Max needs to learn to defend a season rather than a single corner.

[Big D]

He is usually very fair, not a dirty driver at all, but got it wrong today like you say

Sky showed the last 4 times that Lewis and Max have gone wheel to wheel in the last 12 months and the first 3 Lewis always backed off. Today he didn’t.

Sux to be Max.

I gonna guess that the first three times, Lewis wasn't behind Max on points ?

I sure hope none of those passing this off as a racing incident today; weren't screaming at their sets when Schumacher did exactly this same thing to Damon.

I mean they were two different incidents. One drive sought and successfully made contact knowing his race was already gone and that by taking both out he was world champion. The other was found guilty by the FIA of being "predominantly at fault" for not avoiding contact when taking himself out causes harm to his championship prospects.

A better comparison is when Max has caused and almost caused accidents in his career by being aggressive and expecting others to cede. Typically Hamilton would have because he has been defending a championship lead. At the time people said he needs to learn when to be aggressive and not.

Hamilton got it wrong today and will be rightly criticised but comparing a situation where he was expecting Max to concede the corner v Schumacher deliberately taking himself and a rival out isn't a true comparison.

[Big D]

Max needs to learn to defend a season rather than a single corner.

It is an exciting dynamic change. Up to now Max has had free reign to be aggressive as he wants and Hamilton has often been passive for a number of years.

Now Hamilton must get better at picking when to be aggressive and Max may need to learn when he may just need to give up a corner the way he has forced people to do previously.

[fishfoodie]

Sky showed the last 4 times that Lewis and Max have gone wheel to wheel in the last 12 months and the first 3 Lewis always backed off. Today he didn’t.

Sux to be Max.

I gonna guess that the first three times, Lewis wasn't behind Max on points ?

I sure hope none of those passing this off as a racing incident today; weren't screaming at their sets when Schumacher did exactly this same thing to Damon.

I mean they were two different incidents. One drive sought and successfully made contact knowing his race was already gone and that by taking both out he was world champion. The other was found guilty by the FIA of being "predominantly at fault" for not avoiding contact when taking himself out causes harm to his championship prospects.

A better comparison is when Max has caused and almost caused accidents in his career by being aggressive and expecting others to cede. Typically Hamilton would have because he has been defending a championship lead. At the time people said he needs to learn when to be aggressive and not.

Hamilton got it wrong today and will be rightly criticised but comparing a situation where he was expecting Max to concede the corner v Schumacher deliberately taking himself and a rival out isn't a true comparison.

Yes it is; they're both ruthless pricks who would run their grannies into a bridge stanchion, @190mph; rather than concede a World Championship !

the problem is their fans won't acknowledge that reality

[Kawazaki]

If Hamilton wins this; I hope Max takes the nose off the Merc in the next race, in the first corner; & then does the same in the next race, ad infintum; safe in the knowledge that he's leading the Championship

Where does this hate for Hamilton come from I wonder?

[JM2K6]

I gonna guess that the first three times, Lewis wasn't behind Max on points ?

I sure hope none of those passing this off as a racing incident today; weren't screaming at their sets when Schumacher did exactly this same thing to Damon.

I mean they were two different incidents. One drive sought and successfully made contact knowing his race was already gone and that by taking both out he was world champion. The other was found guilty by the FIA of being "predominantly at fault" for not avoiding contact when taking himself out causes harm to his championship prospects.

A better comparison is when Max has caused and almost caused accidents in his career by being aggressive and expecting others to cede. Typically Hamilton would have because he has been defending a championship lead. At the time people said he needs to learn when to be aggressive and not.

Hamilton got it wrong today and will be rightly criticised but comparing a situation where he was expecting Max to concede the corner v Schumacher deliberately taking himself and a rival out isn't a true comparison.

Yes it is; they're both ruthless pricks who would run their grannies into a bridge stanchion, @190mph; rather than concede a World Championship !

the problem is their fans won't acknowledge that reality

You're doing the thing where you make a bad comparison and refuse to acknowledge why it's bad

I like Hamilton and would have no problem acknowledging if he'd done a Schumacher, but he didn't.

[Big D]

I gonna guess that the first three times, Lewis wasn't behind Max on points ?

I sure hope none of those passing this off as a racing incident today; weren't screaming at their sets when Schumacher did exactly this same thing to Damon.

I mean they were two different incidents. One drive sought and successfully made contact knowing his race was already gone and that by taking both out he was world champion. The other was found guilty by the FIA of being "predominantly at fault" for not avoiding contact when taking himself out causes harm to his championship prospects.

A better comparison is when Max has caused and almost caused accidents in his career by being aggressive and expecting others to cede. Typically Hamilton would have because he has been defending a championship lead. At the time people said he needs to learn when to be aggressive and not.

Hamilton got it wrong today and will be rightly criticised but comparing a situation where he was expecting Max to concede the corner v Schumacher deliberately taking himself and a rival out isn't a true comparison.

Yes it is; they're both ruthless pricks who would run their grannies into a bridge stanchion, @190mph; rather than concede a World Championship !

the problem is their fans won't acknowledge that reality

Not it isn't. Schumacher was deliberately taking himself out the race. He had hit the wall seconds earlier and knew he was done in the race.

Today, Hamilton for all he was at fault and may be a "ruthless prick", wasn't intending to take himself out that race. It was a situation where he knew there was a chance of contact and expected the championship leader to cede the corner the way he has done so before.

It is nothing to do with being a Hamilton fan or not. If he was deliberately taking himself out the race then it makes absolutely no sense. You compared two incidents that are incomparable for the reasons mentioned.

Comparing the drivers as ruthless? Yes they are. And it is no surprise either. You don't tend to get that many world championships without being so.

[Big D]

Hamilton and Verstappen are both stubborn buggers and today confirmed both will be aggressive. I'd expect more collisions in the future.

Should be good to watch.

[Slick]

He is usually very fair, not a dirty driver at all, but got it wrong today like you say

Sky showed the last 4 times that Lewis and Max have gone wheel to wheel in the last 12 months and the first 3 Lewis always backed off. Today he didn’t.

Sux to be Max.

I gonna guess that the first three times, Lewis wasn't behind Max on points ?

I sure hope none of those passing this off as a racing incident today; weren't screaming at their sets when Schumacher did exactly this same thing to Damon.

That is a completely mental comparison

I’m not sure anyone has passed it off as a racing incident. Everyone has acknowledged Hamilton was at fault and most acknowledged that the penalty maybe didn’t fit the crime.

[Kawazaki]

For, me what Leclerc did to Hamilton at Imola in 2019 was far far worse than what we saw today. He didn't get any penalty other than the rarely used and meaningless naughty step flag.

[Kawazaki]

Hamilton and Verstappen are both stubborn buggers and today confirmed both will be aggressive. I'd expect more collisions in the future.

Should be good to watch.

What you pointed out earlier is the most moot post. Verstappen squeezes opponents all the time and they nearly always cede or go off track to avoid a collision. Today, Hamilton didn't cede. Harsh lesson for Max that Hamilton learned in 2016. Know when to risk it all and know when not to.

[Lobby]

Hamilton and Verstappen are both stubborn buggers and today confirmed both will be aggressive. I'd expect more collisions in the future.

Should be good to watch.

What you pointed out earlier is the most moot post. Verstappen squeezes opponents all the time and they nearly always cede or go off track to avoid a collision. Today, Hamilton didn't cede. Harsh lesson for Max that Hamilton learned in 2016. Know when to risk it all and know when not to.

It’s also a lesson for Verstappen that he can’t expect Hamilton to always cede position in the future.

[JM2K6]

Well, he's embarrassed himself here. I fully expected him to complain, most drivers would, but this "disrespectful" nonsense is sheer arrogance and entitlement. He's gone down in my estimation.

[Enzedder]

He has a point though - perhaps "indiscretions" should cost championship points rather than short time penalties (which can sometimes mean absolutely nothing). Lewis cost Jos a chance at 10 points with no penalty to himself.

Based on that, I think Jos may have earned some penalties this year too though

[Mr Bungle]

He has a point though - perhaps "indiscretions" should cost championship points rather than short time penalties (which can sometimes mean absolutely nothing). Lewis cost Jos a chance at 10 points with no penalty to himself.

Based on that, I think Jos may have earned some penalties this year too though

Jos is the dad.

[Enzedder]

So it is - I couldn't be stuffed using the long names and grabbed the wrong one out of the mis-firing memory banks

[Kawazaki]

Helmut Marko has now come out and said it was Hamilton's fault that Albon didn't make it as an F1 driver due to their collision.

This Red Bull meltdown is getting funnier by the hour.

[Big D]

Helmut Marko has now come out and said it was Hamilton's fault that Albon didn't make it as an F1 driver due to their collision.

This Red Bull meltdown is getting funnier by the hour.

I think both sides are starting to feel the pressure but the whining from red bull and Mr "Sometimes you have to drive aggressively and sometimes not, but making mistakes is part of it” is laughable.

Yes Lewis wasn't wrong, but if Max is going to make statements like he did above late last season then he needs to accept when others make mistakes. Same as Hamilton will have no recourse when someone is that aggressive with him.

[salanya]

Understand the Red Bull team are emotional, but their PR people should have advised to not say too much in the heat of the day, it's just not helpful. Definitely be vocal about being annoyed to be taken out, but emotive terms like 'unsportsmanlike' are just not useful.

They have a point with regards to the Hamilton penalty: pretty soft, especially considering the pay off of maximum points where his rival gets no point due to being taken out (and at that speed there was a significant risk of injury too).
However, it is racing, and Hamilton obviously took a risk of taking himself out too.
But something to consider for F1: we don't want drivers taking others out at the end of the season to secure themselves a championship. The politics during the race were also ridiculous.

As others have said: this is the first time in a few years that Lewis has had to properly race for his points/victories, and it looks like he has to adjust to that.
Those having a go about Max's driving style are being a bit unfair: he was overly agressive in his first few years, but he's matured and been driving pretty fair over the last 2 seasons.

They're both excellent drivers as well as stubborn arses, things are going to get heated from time to time. Hopefully both drivers and teams will keep it clean going forward.

[Insane_Homer]

So depressing.

[JM2K6]

He has a point though - perhaps "indiscretions" should cost championship points rather than short time penalties (which can sometimes mean absolutely nothing). Lewis cost Jos a chance at 10 points with no penalty to himself.

Based on that, I think Jos may have earned some penalties this year too though

Sure, whatever - not fussed about what Max thinks of the penalty, even if his complaints are predictable and a little hypocritical. Whining about Hamilton celebrating the win and accusing him of lacking respect and being unsportsmanlike is just pure dickery though, the kid clearly has a giant ego and a sensitive one at that. That level of arrogance at that age is not a great sign - I can see him losing it on the track in future.

[Sandstorm]

He has a point though - perhaps "indiscretions" should cost championship points rather than short time penalties (which can sometimes mean absolutely nothing). Lewis cost Jos a chance at 10 points with no penalty to himself.

Based on that, I think Jos may have earned some penalties this year too though

Sure, whatever - not fussed about what Max thinks of the penalty, even if his complaints are predictable and a little hypocritical. Whining about Hamilton celebrating the win and accusing him of lacking respect and being unsportsmanlike is just pure dickery though, the kid clearly has a giant ego and a sensitive one at that. That level of arrogance at that age is not a great sign - I can see him losing it on the track in future.

Agreed. Compare Max's attitude with those of Le Clerc, Russell and Lando. Similar talents, yet miles apart in levels of entitlement and whinge.

[salanya]

He has a point though - perhaps "indiscretions" should cost championship points rather than short time penalties (which can sometimes mean absolutely nothing). Lewis cost Jos a chance at 10 points with no penalty to himself.

Based on that, I think Jos may have earned some penalties this year too though

Sure, whatever - not fussed about what Max thinks of the penalty, even if his complaints are predictable and a little hypocritical. Whining about Hamilton celebrating the win and accusing him of lacking respect and being unsportsmanlike is just pure dickery though, the kid clearly has a giant ego and a sensitive one at that. That level of arrogance at that age is not a great sign - I can see him losing it on the track in future.

You don't have to like the lad at all, but you should try opening the other eye. As a Hamilton supporter you can't be having too many issues with other drivers having an ego/being arrogant.

As I said, I think those comments by Max were in the heat of emotion and unhelpful.
But if you have an issue with whining, then I assume you don't listen to Hamilton's radio in the races where he can't get a victory.