So, coronavirus...

[TheNatalShark]

The booster programme is supposedly being delivered through Pfizer, not AZ, so I don't know how that's going to work out. As for done on the sly, there were exports to Australia not completely on the quiet earlier this year - I think it;s entirely possible that some things are being done like that. It's almost 100% certain now that we have more vaccine than we're delivering, and that stock build up is increasing on a daily basis

Did JCVI give updated guidance re mixing, or are you referring to/inferring from in media comments suggesting that may be the direction we'll head into based on the trials of the same nature?



Bit silly these scenarios where jabs administered across UK health bodies still need a working solution for recognition of dosing regimes. But hopefully resolving can form a template for working on Brits jabbed abroad getting those jabs registered domestically.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... e-57941652

[Saint]

The booster programme is supposedly being delivered through Pfizer, not AZ, so I don't know how that's going to work out. As for done on the sly, there were exports to Australia not completely on the quiet earlier this year - I think it;s entirely possible that some things are being done like that. It's almost 100% certain now that we have more vaccine than we're delivering, and that stock build up is increasing on a daily basis

Did JCVI give updated guidance re mixing, or are you referring to/inferring from in media comments suggesting that may be the direction we'll head into based on the trials of the same nature?



Bit silly these scenarios where jabs administered across UK health bodies still need a working solution for recognition of dosing regimes. But hopefully resolving can form a template for working on Brits jabbed abroad getting those jabs registered domestically.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... e-57941652

Mixing is a completely separate study (mixing dose 1 ad dose 2). That's small scale in the UK under controlled conditions, and they're still recruiting. You'll do better trying to analyse Canadian data for that, where it's been a bit free for all.

But the booster programme, for what it us, is supposed to specifically be Pfizer. Bear in mind that there's precisely no data to justify anything to do with a 3rd dose beyond the view that antibody levels fall off around 4-6 months. Much like every other vaccine

[TheNatalShark]

Mixing is a completely separate study (mixing dose 1 ad dose 2). That's small scale in the UK under controlled conditions, and they're still recruiting. You'll do better trying to analyse Canadian data for that, where it's been a bit free for all.

But the booster programme, for what it us, is supposed to specifically be Pfizer. Bear in mind that there's precisely no data to justify anything to do with a 3rd dose beyond the view that antibody levels fall off around 4-6 months. Much like every other vaccine

Ah, when you said delivered through Pfizer you meant only those with Pfizer doses taken already, rather than meaning a booster jab for all AZ/Pfizer(&M)?

In which case the question changes although stays relatively the same - I haven't seen any informal discussion post JCVI interim advice that has referred to specific jabs that may need boosters and eliminated supposition of AZ booster as necessary, so have JCVI updated or are you inferring from in media comments that, at the moment, just Pfizer will be delivered / Pfizer application to FDA?


Taking it back to the original point, if you do mean that at this stage the booster programme is meant to Pfizer boosters for Pfizer recipients, then (as with your final point in quote) I imagine JCVI would still recommend build up of AZ for potential boosters if they decide positive for a Sep21+ rollout , and the gov can release if at risk of hitting shelf life limit.

Interestingly the extrapolation from Scottish data releases show substantial AZ is still being distributed to the ongoing rollout, more than needed to complete dosing regimens. Maybe inefficiencies in the system, but that would seem odd.

[Rinkals]

This isn't good. Women being sexually haresssed by quarantine hotel guards. 16 women complained to the BBC with the hotels saying it's the DHSC's responsibility not theirs. One of the solutions now is for two male guards to escorts female guests instead of one.


https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-57901154

Or maybe we should stop hiring creeps to be security guards

It's not just the security guards, though.

When the complaints were made, they were dismissed on the grounds that they were only made after the quarantine period had elapsed and therefore couldn't have been serious.

[Saint]

Mixing is a completely separate study (mixing dose 1 ad dose 2). That's small scale in the UK under controlled conditions, and they're still recruiting. You'll do better trying to analyse Canadian data for that, where it's been a bit free for all.

But the booster programme, for what it us, is supposed to specifically be Pfizer. Bear in mind that there's precisely no data to justify anything to do with a 3rd dose beyond the view that antibody levels fall off around 4-6 months. Much like every other vaccine

Ah, when you said delivered through Pfizer you meant only those with Pfizer doses taken already, rather than meaning a booster jab for all AZ/Pfizer(&M)?

In which case the question changes although stays relatively the same - I haven't seen any informal discussion post JCVI interim advice that has referred to specific jabs that may need boosters and eliminated supposition of AZ booster as necessary, so have JCVI updated or are you inferring from in media comments that, at the moment, just Pfizer will be delivered / Pfizer application to FDA?


Taking it back to the original point, if you do mean that at this stage the booster programme is meant to Pfizer boosters for Pfizer recipients, then (as with your final point in quote) I imagine JCVI would still recommend build up of AZ for potential boosters if they decide positive for a Sep21+ rollout , and the gov can release if at risk of hitting shelf life limit.

Interestingly the extrapolation from Scottish data releases show substantial AZ is still being distributed to the ongoing rollout, more than needed to complete dosing regimens. Maybe inefficiencies in the system, but that would seem odd.

No, there was a comment by a government minister somewhere that the boosters would ALL be Pfizer.

Like I said, there's no data at all on the efficacy of any boosters for any vaccine. I do recall some initial evidence that mixing AZ and Pfizer produced a stronger immune response for the first two jabs, but no-one has a clue really what a 3rd jab will do, other than presumably be "better". Also vear in mind the booster programme is supposed to be fairly limited in scope

[TheNatalShark]

No, there was a comment by a government minister somewhere that the boosters would ALL be Pfizer.

Like I said, there's no data at all on the efficacy of any boosters for any vaccine. I do recall some initial evidence that mixing AZ and Pfizer produced a stronger immune response for the first two jabs, but no-one has a clue really what a 3rd jab will do, other than presumably be "better". Also vear in mind the booster programme is supposed to be fairly limited in scope

Thanks, in absence of substantive& indicative discussion or recommendations supporting all prospective boosters being done with Pfizer, even if Bojo himself said he will die in a ditch if all boosters are not Pfizer, well I'll maintain my view that gov are likely stockpiling AZ reserves with rational of building to the event a decision on such a programme is made (on basis of same jab, as has been proposed in other countries). The programme initially proposed was all vulnerable & 50+ so would need a fairly hefty amount, circa 30-40% of pop across the stages.

The production & utilisation is all I am and am interested in discussing, not efficacy/mixing/3rd doses/etc... I'm not qualified to understand so I generally avoid beyond what I need for the logistics.

[Sandstorm]

I'm not qualified to understand so I generally avoid beyond what I need

So WTF are you doing posting here with a self-deprecating attitude like that??

[BnM]

This isn't good. Women being sexually haresssed by quarantine hotel guards. 16 women complained to the BBC with the hotels saying it's the DHSC's responsibility not theirs. One of the solutions now is for two male guards to escorts female guests instead of one.


https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-57901154

Or maybe we should stop hiring creeps to be security guards

It's not just the security guards, though.

When the complaints were made, they were dismissed on the grounds that they were only made after the quarantine period had elapsed and therefore couldn't have been serious.

Of course you're not going to complain whilst your there, you'll be afraid of retribution. THat boils my goat. Not you Rinkals but given the sex crimes levels against women, metoo, timesup but still first point is we don't believe you because you didn't follow my made up rules on how you should react.

It's not criminal to be a creep so DBS will be no use and the times had an article I think last weekend where it showed the loophole that pedo's are exploting where they change their name, get nice clean DBS and carry on abusing. We've got rapists in women's prisons. It's insane.

[BnM]

Some shits on the internet have a blood on their hands.

[Saint]

Some shits on the internet have a blood on their hands.

Replace Internet with US Congress and you're about right

[Enzedder]

Hey, Sydney

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[Hal Jordan]

Nutjobs at a Trafalgar Square rally calling for nurses and doctors to be hanged and Rand worshipper Sajid Javid publicly apologising for saying we shouldn't "cower" in front of Covid.

Just another day on Plague Island.

[salanya]

Nutjobs at a Trafalgar Square rally calling for nurses and doctors to be hanged and Rand worshipper Sajid Javid publicly apologising for saying we shouldn't "cower" in front of Covid.

Just another day on Plague Island.

What I find/found interesting is that on the BBC website one of the leading news features yesterday was the French protests against Covid measures.
Whereas there have been weekly protests in London against the Covid measures for many months, some with very large attendance and trouble, yet the BBC has only featured that once this year.

[ScarfaceClaw]

Nutjobs at a Trafalgar Square rally calling for nurses and doctors to be hanged and Rand worshipper Sajid Javid publicly apologising for saying we shouldn't "cower" in front of Covid.

Just another day on Plague Island.

What I find/found interesting is that on the BBC website one of the leading news features yesterday was the French protests against Covid measures.
Whereas there have been weekly protests in London against the Covid measures for many months, some with very large attendance and trouble, yet the BBC has only featured that once this year.

The London protests are largely hosted by lunatic conspiracy cranks and idiots. That struck off nurse screaming about hanging nurses and doctors, email me their names. Katie Hopkins banging on about answering her door in the buff. David Icke and Piers Corbyn for good measure. These loons aren’t worth the electrons taken to broadcast a report.

Not sure at all if the french protests are any better mind you.

[tabascoboy]

Nutjobs at a Trafalgar Square rally calling for nurses and doctors to be hanged and Rand worshipper Sajid Javid publicly apologising for saying we shouldn't "cower" in front of Covid.

Just another day on Plague Island.

Presumably they completely rescind their rights to medical treatment then? Hope they catch something terminal...

What I find/found interesting is that on the BBC website one of the leading news features yesterday was the French protests against Covid measures.
Whereas there have been weekly protests in London against the Covid measures for many months, some with very large attendance and trouble, yet the BBC has only featured that once this year.

They don't deserve the oxygen of publicity. In fact they don't deserve oxygen, period.

[Rinkals]

Nutjobs at a Trafalgar Square rally calling for nurses and doctors to be hanged and Rand worshipper Sajid Javid publicly apologising for saying we shouldn't "cower" in front of Covid.

Just another day on Plague Island.

Presumably they completely rescind their rights to medical treatment then? Hope they catch something terminal...

What I find/found interesting is that on the BBC website one of the leading news features yesterday was the French protests against Covid measures.
Whereas there have been weekly protests in London against the Covid measures for many months, some with very large attendance and trouble, yet the BBC has only featured that once this year.

They don't deserve the oxygen of publicity. In fact they don't deserve oxygen, period.

I have close family members who have taken out a subscription to 'The Telegraph' and who listen online to some dingbat British radio personality (Julia Hartlet-Brewer - her name just came to me) and they have completely bought into the whole "Covid is a hoax, invented by Fuaci to bring down Donald Trump" thing.

They honestly don't believe that it's any worse than 'flu.

I don't read the Telegraph, and I certainly wouldn't pay to breach their paywall, but is that sort of bullshit common in the UK?

Needless to say, the same family members are staunchly pro-Brexit.

[salanya]

Okay, either I'm 'whooshed' here or you guys are totally missing my point.

Of course anyone sensible disagrees with the protesters. Especially the protests over the winter, when the infections and deaths were at their highest, were ridiculous, and those protesting outed themselves as total idiots.
Do we want to give these idiots coverage/oxygen? Not really. Though there is a debate to be had whether you can ignore groups that big: denying them coverage might just spurr them on, rather than exposing their idiotic 'arguments' for what they are.

But the BBC can't pick to ignore the British protests for the public good, but make a big thing out of protests in other countries. That's dishonest reporting, and giving a bad reflection of reality.

[tabascoboy]

Okay, either I'm 'whooshed' here or you guys are totally missing my point.

Of course anyone sensible disagrees with the protesters. Especially the protests over the winter, when the infections and deaths were at their highest, were ridiculous, and those protesting outed themselves as total idiots.
Do we want to give these idiots coverage/oxygen? Not really. Though there is a debate to be had whether you can ignore groups that big: denying them coverage might just spurr them on, rather than exposing their idiotic 'arguments' for what they are.

But the BBC can't pick to ignore the British protests for the public good, but make a big thing out of protests in other countries. That's dishonest reporting, and giving a bad reflection of reality.

I've no idea if it's a purely editorial decision within the BBC or from "higher up". AFAIK Sky News is barely reporting it, if at all.

[ScarfaceClaw]

Okay, either I'm 'whooshed' here or you guys are totally missing my point.

Of course anyone sensible disagrees with the protesters. Especially the protests over the winter, when the infections and deaths were at their highest, were ridiculous, and those protesting outed themselves as total idiots.
Do we want to give these idiots coverage/oxygen? Not really. Though there is a debate to be had whether you can ignore groups that big: denying them coverage might just spurr them on, rather than exposing their idiotic 'arguments' for what they are.

But the BBC can't pick to ignore the British protests for the public good, but make a big thing out of protests in other countries. That's dishonest reporting, and giving a bad reflection of reality.

My point was around whether the protests that they are reporting are comparable with the shite fest in London they are ignoring. I don’t know but am presuming slightly that that protests in France are slightly more hinged than the utter whack jobs we have in London.

[salanya]

Okay, either I'm 'whooshed' here or you guys are totally missing my point.

Of course anyone sensible disagrees with the protesters. Especially the protests over the winter, when the infections and deaths were at their highest, were ridiculous, and those protesting outed themselves as total idiots.
Do we want to give these idiots coverage/oxygen? Not really. Though there is a debate to be had whether you can ignore groups that big: denying them coverage might just spurr them on, rather than exposing their idiotic 'arguments' for what they are.

But the BBC can't pick to ignore the British protests for the public good, but make a big thing out of protests in other countries. That's dishonest reporting, and giving a bad reflection of reality.

My point was around whether the protests that they are reporting are comparable with the shite fest in London they are ignoring. I don’t know but am presuming slightly that that protests in France are slightly more hinged than the utter whack jobs we have in London.

I'm not an expert on the London/UK protests, but from what I've seen there were thousands gathered at some of them (it was reported on the Dutch broadcaster, who also reported on Dutch protests).
I think the fact that we've not seen coverage makes most people assume that these French protest are more 'hinged', which is caused by the inconsistent reporting by UK broadcasters.

[Rinkals]

[Openside]

Nutjobs at a Trafalgar Square rally calling for nurses and doctors to be hanged and Rand worshipper Sajid Javid publicly apologising for saying we shouldn't "cower" in front of Covid.

Just another day on Plague Island.

WTF?? Really??

[Niegs]

It's "hanged" you daft twat!


... but seriously, I hope the worst happens to those cnuts.

[tc27]

5th day of substantial falls in case numbers.

Hopefully this wave has now peaked.

[Insane_Homer]

My son, turns 18 in Oct, has got appoint to get first jab tomorrow

He's got no underlying health issues.

So on Sat morning we get a text saying it's cancelled as he's under 17 yrs and 9 months of age.

He's 17 years, 8 months and 27 days old...

My wife took him anyway, they didn't get it done, but managed to rebook for this Friday, when he'll be 17yrs and 9 month+.

[Slick]

5th day of substantial falls in case numbers.

Hopefully this wave has now peaked.

I saw that they reckon 92% of the UK population now have antibodies, either through vaccination or infection

[SaintK]

Okay, either I'm 'whooshed' here or you guys are totally missing my point.

Of course anyone sensible disagrees with the protesters. Especially the protests over the winter, when the infections and deaths were at their highest, were ridiculous, and those protesting outed themselves as total idiots.
Do we want to give these idiots coverage/oxygen? Not really. Though there is a debate to be had whether you can ignore groups that big: denying them coverage might just spurr them on, rather than exposing their idiotic 'arguments' for what they are.

But the BBC can't pick to ignore the British protests for the public good, but make a big thing out of protests in other countries. That's dishonest reporting, and giving a bad reflection of reality.

I've no idea if it's a purely editorial decision within the BBC or from "higher up". AFAIK Sky News is barely reporting it, if at all.

BBC Wales are.

Hundreds of anti-lockdown protesters who gathered outside First Minister Mark Drakeford's home "crossed the line", his predecessor has said.
On Saturday, crowds with loud speakers and banners shouted in the street outside Mr Drakeford's Cardiff home.
The protest has sparked condemnation from cross-party politicians who said the scenes amounted to "bullying".

[Saint]

5th day of substantial falls in case numbers.

Hopefully this wave has now peaked.

I saw that they reckon 92% of the UK population now have antibodies, either through vaccination or infection

Adult population. there's no real understanding of antibody levels in under 18s yet

[Raggs]

5th day of substantial falls in case numbers.

Hopefully this wave has now peaked.

I saw that they reckon 92% of the UK population now have antibodies, either through vaccination or infection

Adult population. there's no real understanding of antibody levels in under 18s yet

And as adult population goes, it's not that impressive, seeing as 88% have had at least one jab.

[Slick]

I saw that they reckon 92% of the UK population now have antibodies, either through vaccination or infection

Adult population. there's no real understanding of antibody levels in under 18s yet

And as adult population goes, it's not that impressive, seeing as 88% have had at least one jab.

Ahh, thanks chaps

[GogLais]

Nutjobs at a Trafalgar Square rally calling for nurses and doctors to be hanged

Surely that’s a criminal offence - incitement to violence or something?

[Rinkals]

Nutjobs at a Trafalgar Square rally calling for nurses and doctors to be hanged

Surely that’s a criminal offence - incitement to violence or something?

I don't think she specifically incited for them to be hanged.

What she did was say that they hanged Doctors and Nurses at Nuremberg and that administering the vaccine was as bad, if not worse. Which does imply that she doesn't know what happened there.

She called for names of medical practitioners to be emailed to her so that she could make sure that, when the trial commenced, they would be in the dock.

I think it's more vilification than incitement to violence. Not sure where that stands in law.

[Line6 HXFX]

Nothing more than what some people were saying about the unemployed over the last ten years or what you average Tory says in private.

Didn't Clarkson want Union leaders to be taken out and shot?

[Sandstorm]

Nothing more than what some people were saying about the unemployed over the last ten years or what you average Tory says in private.

Didn't Clarkson want Union leaders to be taken out and shot?

Good point.

The crazy bint wants to hang doctors and nurses, but not politicians and NHS England executive who set up the vaccination program. Weird wanting to blame a nurse.

[GogLais]

Nothing more than what some people were saying about the unemployed over the last ten years or what you average Tory says in private.

Didn't Clarkson want Union leaders to be taken out and shot?

Jo Cox hadn’t been assassinated then although I have to accept that doesn’t affect how the law is now drafted or imposed.

[Raggs]

More and more countries looking to approve the vaccine for 12+, lots already doing 16+. UK has done really well with adult population, but if we don't do kids, we're going to fall behind.

[Saint]

More and more countries looking to approve the vaccine for 12+, lots already doing 16+. UK has done really well with adult population, but if we don't do kids, we're going to fall behind.

Yeah. I think this is one we're going to be forced into by the global community regardless of what the JVCI recommends

[BnM]

131 today.

[TheNatalShark]

UK begins its world leading vaccine donation programme, starting with 9mm beginning shipping this week, 5mm to Covax and 4mm directly to partners.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-b ... mmediately

[Calculon]

nine million vaccines to be donated bilaterally and offered to COVAX to help tackle COVID-19 abroad

Why include the word "offered"? Would it not be better just to say: "donated bilaterally and to COVAX, to help tackle....". Not a native speaker, so maybe I'm wrong on this?