So, coronavirus...

[TB63]

'MERICA FUCK YEAH!

https://www.insider.com/oklahomas-emerg ... tin-2021-9

Oklahoma's ERs are so backed up with people overdosing on ivermectin that gunshot victims are having to wait to be treated, a doctor says

You couldn't get more "Murica" than this

Proved to be false..

[Insane_Homer]

[sockwithaticket]

How it started....how it's going

Fair play, people like Owens need to face real world consequences for their bullshit and hypocrisy.

[Hal Jordan]

'MERICA FUCK YEAH!

https://www.insider.com/oklahomas-emerg ... tin-2021-9

You couldn't get more "Murica" than this

Proved to be false..

I did suspect this might prove to be the case, but would anyone be surprised if it was true?

[BnM]

It looks like given vaccine rates we have about 10% of adults not getting their jabs, not even 1.

[Sandstorm]

It looks like given vaccine rates we have about 10% of adults not getting their jabs, not even 1.

6 million people; likely only 1 million with real, medical reasons for not getting jabbed. So that leaves 5 million selfish idiots.

[Margin__Walker]

Genuine question. What are the medical reasons for not getting jabbed? Not the Henry Slade, 'felt a bit iffy after a vaccine in the past', but are there actually medical conditions with which you would be advised not to be vaccinated.

[Slick]

Genuine question. What are the medical reasons for not getting jabbed? Not the Henry Slade, 'felt a bit iffy after a vaccine in the past', but are there actually medical conditions with which you would be advised not to be vaccinated.

Immune system disorders would be a major one I guess

[Dogbert]

Genuine question. What are the medical reasons for not getting jabbed? Not the Henry Slade, 'felt a bit iffy after a vaccine in the past', but are there actually medical conditions with which you would be advised not to be vaccinated.

Immune system disorders would be a major one I guess

Actually people with Immune systems disorders should get the vaccine - although they may not be as well protected

In the US - the FDA have recently advised that certain Immunocompromised get a third 'booster' jab

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... ompromised

In the UK from the THT
The patient information leaflets for the three currently approved COVID-19 vaccines (Pfizer/BioNTech, AstraZeneca/Oxford and Moderna) all list a weakened immune system under the warnings and precautions for use, with Pfizer using HIV as an example. The leaflets advise affected patients to tell their doctor, nurse or pharmacist before vaccination. BHIVA has contacted Pfizer to challenge the mention of HIV in the leaflet.

This advice in the patient information leaflets is not based on concerns about safety. There is currently no evidence for more side effects in people with HIV. The guidance is there mainly because there is not yet very much research information about people with immune deficiency and/or HIV.
With some vaccines, people with HIV can produce a weaker response. We do not yet know if this is the case for the COVID-19 vaccines but they are expected to be protective in people with HIV and are recommended. The Department of Health recommends COVID-19 vaccination for all people with HIV, regardless of their CD4 count. None of the COVID-19 vaccines contain any live virus and so cannot cause COVID-19. The AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine contains a cold virus, called adenovirus, which has been changed to make it inactive; similar adenovirus vaccines have been used and studied in populations where HIV is common and have been shown to be safe. All currently approved vaccines are thought to be safe for people with suppressed immune systems.

[Margin__Walker]

Yeah, I thought it would be the other way round on that too. My BiL is immunosuppressed and got his first dose very early on.

[Biffer]

I have a friend who has suffered from ME for the last few years. There’s a relatively high incidence of people with existing ME having their symptoms exacerbated / having relapses after the vaccine so they haven’t had theirs yet. Given how much long covid symptoms often resemble ME, this has a certain logic to it.

[BnM]

My Dad has blood cancer, he's fully vaxxed, whether it worked though is another matter. He's assuming not and as he's retired he's able to keep himself relatively safe.

I spoke to someone today, did and LFT instead of PCR and told no one about it, didn't record it online, and then wonders why it's not on his medical records. Has kids, refuses to get vaccinated. Some people think they can just carry on as normal with no consequences.

[Enzedder]

Please be true - I love seeing Darwin's law in action

[Slick]

Genuine question. What are the medical reasons for not getting jabbed? Not the Henry Slade, 'felt a bit iffy after a vaccine in the past', but are there actually medical conditions with which you would be advised not to be vaccinated.

Immune system disorders would be a major one I guess

Actually people with Immune systems disorders should get the vaccine - although they may not be as well protected

In the US - the FDA have recently advised that certain Immunocompromised get a third 'booster' jab

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... ompromised

In the UK from the THT
The patient information leaflets for the three currently approved COVID-19 vaccines (Pfizer/BioNTech, AstraZeneca/Oxford and Moderna) all list a weakened immune system under the warnings and precautions for use, with Pfizer using HIV as an example. The leaflets advise affected patients to tell their doctor, nurse or pharmacist before vaccination. BHIVA has contacted Pfizer to challenge the mention of HIV in the leaflet.

This advice in the patient information leaflets is not based on concerns about safety. There is currently no evidence for more side effects in people with HIV. The guidance is there mainly because there is not yet very much research information about people with immune deficiency and/or HIV.
With some vaccines, people with HIV can produce a weaker response. We do not yet know if this is the case for the COVID-19 vaccines but they are expected to be protective in people with HIV and are recommended. The Department of Health recommends COVID-19 vaccination for all people with HIV, regardless of their CD4 count. None of the COVID-19 vaccines contain any live virus and so cannot cause COVID-19. The AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine contains a cold virus, called adenovirus, which has been changed to make it inactive; similar adenovirus vaccines have been used and studied in populations where HIV is common and have been shown to be safe. All currently approved vaccines are thought to be safe for people with suppressed immune systems.

As I was typing that I was thinking why are you getting involved in this if you don’t know what you are talking about! Fair enough!

[Calculon]

Genuine question. What are the medical reasons for not getting jabbed? Not the Henry Slade, 'felt a bit iffy after a vaccine in the past', but are there actually medical conditions with which you would be advised not to be vaccinated.

1 age, no covid vaccine has been approved for anyone under 12

2 from what I've read (which is very little tbhl) the only other major reason would be allergic reaction. This is mainly why you gave to wait 15 minutes after your jab. Around 5 in a million people get what looks like severe allergic reaction. However the only ingredient in the jab that would be able to cause an allergic reaction is polyethylene glycol and from test carried out that doesn't appear to be responsible for the allergic reaction, so it's all a bit of a mystery at the moment. Also, as far as I now no one has actually died from this allergic or allergic mimicking reaction

[tc27]

Genuine question. What are the medical reasons for not getting jabbed? Not the Henry Slade, 'felt a bit iffy after a vaccine in the past', but are there actually medical conditions with which you would be advised not to be vaccinated.

I went down the anti vax rabbit hole for a look - the main pretend medical reason is all kinds of science fiction about spike proteins making you immune system attack healthy cells.

[tc27]

Scotland a bit ahead of the rest of the UK in this wave and the evidence suggests the link between infections and hospitalizations is very much intact:

[Calculon]

Scotland's daily deaths from covid 19 still pretty low right?

[Dogbert]

Deaths of course are a lagging indicator , however what we are seeing in Scotland is that the death rate has trebled in Scotland in Aug / September to those in May / Jun albeit at much lower levels of the two major spikes in May 20 / Feb 21 , where we were seeing death rates of over 80 / day

Hospitalizations / ICU figures have also increased , and are still increasing - and I suspect that this is causing most concern , as the more cases in hospital , the less the NHS will be able to recover for Non Covid illnesses

There are currently 805 people in Hospital , over double what we had three weeks previous , and their is no indication that this is slowing , and this is worrying ( it does not yet come close to the over 2000 that were in hospital in March 21 )

The main driver for the increase is in the 0-14 & 15-19 ages groups, which is not surprising with the schools having been back by a number of weeks now

I see no reason for this not to be replicated in other parts of the UK as their schools go back

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Genuine question. What are the medical reasons for not getting jabbed? Not the Henry Slade, 'felt a bit iffy after a vaccine in the past', but are there actually medical conditions with which you would be advised not to be vaccinated.

1 age, no covid vaccine has been approved for anyone under 12

2 from what I've read (which is very little tbhl) the only other major reason would be allergic reaction. This is mainly why you gave to wait 15 minutes after your jab. Around 5 in a million people get what looks like severe allergic reaction. However the only ingredient in the jab that would be able to cause an allergic reaction is polyethylene glycol and from test carried out that doesn't appear to be responsible for the allergic reaction, so it's all a bit of a mystery at the moment. Also, as far as I now no one has actually died from this allergic or allergic mimicking reaction

There'd be a minority, but still a fair number, who'd be advised not to take it because their compromised immunity means there's little chance of benefit.

[Calculon]

For sure, I forgot about them. Maybe more of them compared to people advised not to take it because of allergy fears?

[Hal Jordan]

Please be true - I love seeing Darwin's law in action

The problem (like a lot of potential Darwin candidates) is that many of them are likely to have sired progeny, thus passing on their genes to largely sidestep natural selection.

[Biffer]

Some people are utterly Fùcking hideous

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... SApp_Other

[fishfoodie]

Some people are utterly Fùcking hideous

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... SApp_Other

Yeah; it seems to be one of the common pieces of scumbaggery the loons are doing with the stickers & signs.

It also moves putting them up from the nuisance; or maybe, criminal damage, level; up to assault !

Catch the fuckers using CCTV; & then hand them a scraper & walk them around & get them to remove every last one of them !

[Insane_Homer]

UK #DailyCovidUpdate | 8th September 2021

- Cases: 7,094,592 (+38,975)
- Average Cases: 38,925.00

- Deaths (28-day): 133,674 (+191)
- Deaths (60-day): 152,704 (+216)
- Average Deaths: 133.14

- Vaccine [1st dose]: 48,319,435 (+26,624)
- Vaccine [2nd dose]: 43,620,946 (+85,848) https://t.co/qK8ZVLUiWO

[Slick]

Is there any reason why they don’t give figures of those that have caught it/in hospital/died and been double jagged?

[Biffer]

Is there any reason why they don’t give figures of those that have caught it/in hospital/died and been double jagged?

It’s very difficult to tell where someone caught it due to the incubation time. If someone is admitted to hospital and develops the disease a week later did they catch it in hospital or before that? Impossible to tell.

[Slick]

Is there any reason why they don’t give figures of those that have caught it/in hospital/died and been double jagged?

It’s very difficult to tell where someone caught it due to the incubation time. If someone is admitted to hospital and develops the disease a week later did they catch it in hospital or before that? Impossible to tell.

Sorry, I worded that very badly. I meant figures to show which individuals that have tested positive or been admitted to hospital or have died have had both vaccinations - ie how much is the vaccine helping. My assumption is that a lot of these figures are from the unvaccinated but there must also be a fair few where the vaccine hasn't worked as well as hoped. It is obviously working very well for the vast majority.

[Biffer]

Is there any reason why they don’t give figures of those that have caught it/in hospital/died and been double jagged?

It’s very difficult to tell where someone caught it due to the incubation time. If someone is admitted to hospital and develops the disease a week later did they catch it in hospital or before that? Impossible to tell.

Sorry, I worded that very badly. I meant figures to show which individuals that have tested positive or been admitted to hospital or have died have had both vaccinations - ie how much is the vaccine helping. My assumption is that a lot of these figures are from the unvaccinated but there must also be a fair few where the vaccine hasn't worked as well as hoped. It is obviously working very well for the vast majority.

There's a difficulty with that in terms of presentation, which has already been highlighted on social media. You get people screaming that 60% of the people in hospital were double vaccinated, or 70% of the people who died were vaccinated, to which the answer is duh, yeah. If you vaccinate 100% of people, then 100% of people who die will have been vaccinated.

That being said, Israel's data from July showed that the vaccine was still proving to be about 95% effective in preventing hospitalisation and death, even against the delta variant.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 021-07-05/

[Tichtheid]

The JCVI are supposedly deciding today on whether to approve a booster vaccination in the UK and according to the Grauniad "with ministers hopeful that approval for vaccinations for 12- to 15-year-olds could follow imminently."

[fishfoodie]

The JCVI are supposedly deciding today on whether to approve a booster vaccination in the UK and according to the Grauniad "with ministers hopeful that approval for vaccinations for 12- to 15-year-olds could follow imminently."

Like every other decision these arseholes have faced; they're a month late !

[Uncle fester]

Don't know what the hell is happening in NI but they are drinking us dry of medical oxygen.

[Biffer]

Is there any reason why they don’t give figures of those that have caught it/in hospital/died and been double jagged?

It’s very difficult to tell where someone caught it due to the incubation time. If someone is admitted to hospital and develops the disease a week later did they catch it in hospital or before that? Impossible to tell.

Sorry, I worded that very badly. I meant figures to show which individuals that have tested positive or been admitted to hospital or have died have had both vaccinations - ie how much is the vaccine helping. My assumption is that a lot of these figures are from the unvaccinated but there must also be a fair few where the vaccine hasn't worked as well as hoped. It is obviously working very well for the vast majority.

PHE have started publishing data of this nature today

[Slick]

Thanks, Biffer

[Biffer]

Thanks, Biffer

One caveat here though - they’ve published data which makes it look like the case rate in age groups over 50 is higher for vaccinated people, lower for unvaxxed. However, there’s an ongoing issue with numbers due to the fact that in the UK we don’t really know how many people live here and in what age group. If you use a different estimate, which is another official estimate, the rates change as per the thread below.

[shaggy]

The JCVI are supposedly deciding today on whether to approve a booster vaccination in the UK and according to the Grauniad "with ministers hopeful that approval for vaccinations for 12- to 15-year-olds could follow imminently."

Like every other decision these arseholes have faced; they're a month late !

I do find it rather bizarre that people can be so angry so much of the time. It must be really exhausting.

[Tichtheid]

Don't know what the hell is happening in NI but they are drinking us dry of medical oxygen.

Asking the same for Scotland, they are over 100 cases / 100k . ????

There's a statistical anomaly at play, according the UK Gov site

Case rates are shown per 100,000 people for the 7-day period ending on the date shown. We calculate this by dividing the 7-day total by the area population and multiplying by 100,000.

So if you have 700 cases in an area with a population of 10K you will have 700/10 000 x 100 000 = 7000 per 100k
if you have 700 cases in an area with a 100k people, you obviously get 700 per 100k

So we end up with figures on the latest map like this

Argyll and Bute, population 86K, 702 cases, 821 cases per 100k
Cumbria, population 500k, 1938 cases, 388 cases per 100k.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... -map/cases

[Sandstorm]

Don't know what the hell is happening in NI but they are drinking us dry of medical oxygen.

Asking the same for Scotland, they are over 100 cases / 100k . ????

There's a statistical anomaly at play, according the UK Gov site

Case rates are shown per 100,000 people for the 7-day period ending on the date shown. We calculate this by dividing the 7-day total by the area population and multiplying by 100,000.

So if you have 700 cases in an area with a population of 10K you will have 700/10 000 x 100 000 = 7000 per 100k
if you have 700 cases in an area with a 100k people, you obviously get 700 per 100k

So we end up with figures on the latest map like this

Argyll and Bute, population 86K, 702 cases, 821 cases per 100k
Cumbria, population 500k, 1938 cases, 388 cases per 100k.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... -map/cases

Maths is hard.

Let me take another Selfie.

[tc27]

I cant fathom why the two month delay in vaccines for teenagers? UK was miles ahead in the spring and is now behind pretty much everyone in this area.

[Sandstorm]

I cant fathom why the two month delay in vaccines for teenagers? UK was miles ahead in the spring and is now behind pretty much everyone in this area.

UK PLC is skint. Vaccines are expensive.