
So, coronavirus...
Kiwias wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:18 amNeither did Japan but wearing masks has long been a common practice here for colds, hay fever, etc. etc.Calculon wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:03 am Oh, I agree with you, and I also find it interesting. Not only why it changed in the UK but also why it was different in the first place
Actually Sweden never mandated masks.
same in China, and I suspect some teens wore masks because they were being trendy or wanted to hide some zits
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Another vile scumbag bites the dust
I don't know of any flavor of Christianity, that allows such a vile individual ending up in "Heaven" !Bob Enyart, conservative firebrand and pastor, dies of COVID-19
Conservative firebrand Bob Enyart, the pastor of the Denver Bible Church and indelible talk show host, has died from COVID-19, his radio co-host announced Monday on Facebook.
“Bob Enyart was one of the smartest, and without question, the wisest person I’ve known,” Fred Williams, Enyart’s co-host on the Real Science Radio show, said in a post.
Enyart and his wife refused to get the vaccine due to abortion concerns, he said on his website.
In October, Enyart successfully sued the state over mask mandates and capacity limits in churches, a rare legal victory against broad public health mandates instituted during the pandemic.
Pushing the limits never bothered Enyart.
He once traveled to New Zealand for the sole purpose of being arrested with a “Clinton is a Rapist” banner, according to a 1999 Westword profile.
On his old TV show, Bob Enyart Live, the host would “gleefully read obituaries of AIDS sufferers while cranking ‘Another One Bites the Dust’ by Queen,” Westword reported.
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“Heaven’s gain has left an enormous hole here on earth,” Williams wrote. “Bob’s enduring legacy will live on with the treasure trove he leaves behind.”
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UK #DailyCovidUpdate | 15th September 2021
- Cases: 7,312,683 (+30,597)
- Average Cases: 31,772.14
- Deaths (28-day): 134,647 (+201)
- Deaths (60-day): 153,835 (+236)
- Average Deaths: 139.00
- Vaccine [1st dose]: 48,480,178 (+21,478)
- Vaccine [2nd dose]: 44,170,373 (+61,627) https://t.co/qaZ0cSrcx1
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In the early days the UK scientists appeared to believe that Covid transmission was predominantly by physically touching a contaminated surface. It soon becam apparent that it was airborn particles that were the biggest danger - hence, the move to masks.
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Or they let themselves be "influenced". There was very clear political pressure on the decision making process and it was only the big public uproar that reversed the initial "herd immunity" strategy.Ovals wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:53 amIn the early days the UK scientists appeared to believe that Covid transmission was predominantly by physically touching a contaminated surface. It soon becam apparent that it was airborn particles that were the biggest danger - hence, the move to masks.
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Covid really has turbo charged Darwin; it's no wonder the GOP is shitting themselves over the mid-terrms; Ruberts great; "culture wars", plan has meant that they've gone from being, odds on to retake the house; to scrambing to work out if they'll have killed so many of their own supporters, that they may end up even worse off.
You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.
You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.
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Not strictly covid-related, but read a post regarding the California elections from someone with similar (and very common views):
"Taking tax from the rich is just enabling the government to infringe our rights more"



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I assume ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_A ... Unit_KenyaRinkals wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:40 am Oddly enough, it seems Kenya is exempt.
Is there someone in Johnson's cabinet with Kenyan connections?
I’ll stand corrected from assfly maybe but I think they haven’t been doing too badly on the vaccine roll out.Rinkals wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:40 am Oddly enough, it seems Kenya is exempt.
Is there someone in Johnson's cabinet with Kenyan connections?
In saying that, Kenyatta was here a few weeks ago meeting Boris so I expect there was some hard lobbying going on
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
According to the Web 1.6% of population fully vaccinated in Kenya as opposed to 13% in South Africa. That gap is widening. both figures are too low tbh.Slick wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:54 amI’ll stand corrected from assfly maybe but I think they haven’t been doing too badly on the vaccine roll out.Rinkals wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:40 am Oddly enough, it seems Kenya is exempt.
Is there someone in Johnson's cabinet with Kenyan connections?
In saying that, Kenyatta was here a few weeks ago meeting Boris so I expect there was some hard lobbying going on
I find those figures a bit hard to believe for Kenya from what I’ve been hearingCalculon wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:12 amAccording to the Web 1.6% of population fully vaccinated in Kenya as opposed to 13% in South Africa. That gap is widening. both figures are too low tbh.Slick wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:54 amI’ll stand corrected from assfly maybe but I think they haven’t been doing too badly on the vaccine roll out.Rinkals wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:40 am Oddly enough, it seems Kenya is exempt.
Is there someone in Johnson's cabinet with Kenyan connections?
In saying that, Kenyatta was here a few weeks ago meeting Boris so I expect there was some hard lobbying going on
All the money you made will never buy back your soul
Maybe, I've had another look and also got a figure of 2.9 % fully vaccinated for Kenya. According to ourworldindata.org., 3.29million doses administered in Kenya, total population a little bit over 55 million. I would think the doses figure should be fairly accurate.Slick wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:32 amI find those figures a bit hard to believe for Kenya from what I’ve been hearingCalculon wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:12 amAccording to the Web 1.6% of population fully vaccinated in Kenya as opposed to 13% in South Africa. That gap is widening. both figures are too low tbh.Slick wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:54 am
I’ll stand corrected from assfly maybe but I think they haven’t been doing too badly on the vaccine roll out.
In saying that, Kenyatta was here a few weeks ago meeting Boris so I expect there was some hard lobbying going on
Despite the pretense of "following the science" it's pretty obvious the decisions were based on political lobbying and prejudice. Doesn't say much for SAs ability to lobby the UK government though. Also looks a bit silly when a vaccinated saffa can fly into Germany without having to quarantine or self isolate but is completely barred from entering the UK.
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I've been offered the vaccine recently, though I am reluctant to take it as I have natural immunity from infection. My older relatives have now received it.
I saw on Twitter that the British 'modellers' got their summer modelling completely wrong and were demanding restrictions. Fortunately, for once, a government ignored their demands for a hyper-safe hand-holding world, and the sky didn't fall in.
I saw on Twitter that the British 'modellers' got their summer modelling completely wrong and were demanding restrictions. Fortunately, for once, a government ignored their demands for a hyper-safe hand-holding world, and the sky didn't fall in.
Natural immunity wanes in the same way as the vaccine, more or less.Lemoentjie wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:50 pm I've been offered the vaccine recently, though I am reluctant to take it as I have natural immunity from infection. My older relatives have now received it.
I saw on Twitter that the British 'modellers' got their summer modelling completely wrong and were demanding restrictions. Fortunately, for once, a government ignored their demands for a hyper-safe hand-holding world, and the sky didn't fall in.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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90% of over 16s now vaccinated in Ireland !
Just a 7 day average of c145 deaths a day which is 1000 deaths a week or c50,000 per annum in the UK at the moment and one of the highest case rates per 100k of population across comparable countries in the world. Just over 135,000 deaths from covid so far. NHS is struggling and army are called in to help support NHS/ambulance services - 8,000 patients with covid currently in hospital and 1,000 in ICU. Biggest ever in history backlog of patients on our waiting lists for treatment, c5.3 million, and winter will see this get much, much worse. Many routine and non routine/emergency operations are being cancelled due to lack of capacity and patients are turning up sicker and with more advanced illness due to delays in treatment. Care sector is collapsing due to lack of staff, don't mention Brexit, and creating a backlog of patients in hospital who have nowhere to be discharged to. Our 'world beating' vaccine roll-out has slowed down and is getting overtaken by the likes of Spain, Belgium, Ireland and Denmark despite our head start. Apart from all that everything here is hunky dory and apparently the pandemic is over in the UK.Lemoentjie wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:50 pm I've been offered the vaccine recently, though I am reluctant to take it as I have natural immunity from infection. My older relatives have now received it.
I saw on Twitter that the British 'modellers' got their summer modelling completely wrong and were demanding restrictions. Fortunately, for once, a government ignored their demands for a hyper-safe hand-holding world, and the sky didn't fall in.
Personally, I would get the vaccine, both doses, there is clear evidence that it works, is safe and it would provide extra protection as any 'natural immunity' starts to wane or if new variants come along. It would also slow down, but not prevent, any transmission from yourself to older relatives and vice versa - remember the vaccine offers c80-85% protection, natural immunity probably less, which although very high is not 100%, so they can still become infected and ill with covid. I would have as many barriers as possible ie vaccine, regular testing, masks, etc to catching and/or spreading the virus. It is easy to do, costs feck all and may save a life.
I am not pleased the vaccine roll out has slowed down to trickle and we have dithered so long over offering it to children but I would swap our success in the spring for having a marginally greater % vaccinated now. We are at 90%is with at least one shot which is the benchmark that was given for a successful campaign.
Don't disagree - I just think it's interesting that the 'world beating' has been quietly dropped by the Gov when talking about the vaccination roll out.tc27 wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:46 pm I am not pleased the vaccine roll out has slowed down to trickle and we have dithered so long over offering it to children but I would swap our success in the spring for having a marginally greater % vaccinated now. We are at 90%is with at least one shot which is the benchmark that was given for a successful campaign.
I want a booster next month.tc27 wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:46 pm I am not pleased the vaccine roll out has slowed down to trickle and we have dithered so long over offering it to children but I would swap our success in the spring for having a marginally greater % vaccinated now. We are at 90%is with at least one shot which is the benchmark that was given for a successful campaign.
don't be a twat, taking the vaccine is only going to give another boost to your immune systemLemoentjie wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:50 pm I've been offered the vaccine recently, though I am reluctant to take it as I have natural immunity from infection. My older relatives have now received it.
Too late for the 1st part, but not too late for the 2ndCalculon wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:36 pmdon't be a twat, taking the vaccine is only going to give another boost to your immune systemLemoentjie wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:50 pm I've been offered the vaccine recently, though I am reluctant to take it as I have natural immunity from infection. My older relatives have now received it.

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Is it?Calculon wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:36 pmdon't be a twat, taking the vaccine is only going to give another boost to your immune systemLemoentjie wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:50 pm I've been offered the vaccine recently, though I am reluctant to take it as I have natural immunity from infection. My older relatives have now received it.
I don't have any problems with vaccination (apart from the crazy profit margins that Pfizer are putting on their product) and if I hadn't been previously infected, then a vaccination would be a less risky method of protection that infection.
Maybe I can just ask for 1 dose
Lemoentjie wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:51 amIs it?Calculon wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:36 pmdon't be a twat, taking the vaccine is only going to give another boost to your immune systemLemoentjie wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:50 pm I've been offered the vaccine recently, though I am reluctant to take it as I have natural immunity from infection. My older relatives have now received it.
I don't have any problems with vaccination (apart from the crazy profit margins that Pfizer are putting on their product) and if I hadn't been previously infected, then a vaccination would be a less risky method of protection that infection.
Maybe I can just ask for 1 dose
Yes, of course it is
Ask for the single shot j and j vaccine
Edit: even if you don't feel you need to take the vaccine under the mistaken belief that it will not increase your protection against covid19, despite the mass of scientific evidence saying otherwise - the higher the percentage of South Africans vaccinated, the quicker the country can open up internationally, which will benefit millions of South Africans. So stop being a selfish twat like Wilson's Toffee and get yourself vaccinated
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Is that both doses?
Yes, it is. That’s what it does.Lemoentjie wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:51 amIs it?Calculon wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:36 pmdon't be a twat, taking the vaccine is only going to give another boost to your immune systemLemoentjie wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:50 pm I've been offered the vaccine recently, though I am reluctant to take it as I have natural immunity from infection. My older relatives have now received it.
I don't have any problems with vaccination (apart from the crazy profit margins that Pfizer are putting on their product) and if I hadn't been previously infected, then a vaccination would be a less risky method of protection that infection.
Maybe I can just ask for 1 dose
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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I think its at least a single dose; but >85% of "Adults", are fully vaccinated; & the younger cohort only opened up at the end of August, so only the very earliest would have had enough time to get both jabs. It looks like the overall fully vaccinated is ~88%
fishfoodie wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:20 pmI think its at least a single dose; but >85% of "Adults", are fully vaccinated; & the younger cohort only opened up at the end of August, so only the very earliest would have had enough time to get both jabs. It looks like the overall fully vaccinated is ~88%
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Calculon wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:15 pmMaybe, I've had another look and also got a figure of 2.9 % fully vaccinated for Kenya. According to ourworldindata.org., 3.29million doses administered in Kenya, total population a little bit over 55 million. I would think the doses figure should be fairly accurate.Slick wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:32 amI find those figures a bit hard to believe for Kenya from what I’ve been hearingCalculon wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:12 am
According to the Web 1.6% of population fully vaccinated in Kenya as opposed to 13% in South Africa. That gap is widening. both figures are too low tbh.
Despite the pretense of "following the science" it's pretty obvious the decisions were based on political lobbying and prejudice. Doesn't say much for SAs ability to lobby the UK government though. Also looks a bit silly when a vaccinated saffa can fly into Germany without having to quarantine or self isolate but is completely barred from entering the UK.
tweet from the UK high commission in pretoria
"following the science"We recognise positive developments in SA - cases going down, data on variants of concern improving and vaccinations rising. While a small number of cases, we remain concerned about the continued presence of Beta given its potential ability to circumvent vaccines.

The beta variant hasn't been detected in over a month, it's been completely replaced by the delta variant in SA. And of course it never circumvented the vaccines.
SA government are furious about the decision but can't do much without shooting themselves in the foot
at least the US has some sense
By November, the US will allow entry to South African travellers as long as they’re fully vaccinated against Covid-19.