You do realize that Am, Mampimpi and Nkosi are all 3 $harks players?Sards wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:36 amAnyone figure out which centre he is talking about......Sards wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:08 amMains’ swipe at the Springboks comes following their two straight Test defeats by the Wallabies in Gold Coast and Brisbane, respectively.
“I think there’s four or five players in that team that simply are not up to Test level, and I think you’ll see that the All Blacks’ three-quarters will run riot against them,” Mains told Stuff on Monday.
“The centre and the two wings look simply just not good enough to be playing at that level. And, I’d have some questions over one or two of their forwards, too. It’s all very well they have big strong props, but boy, they’ve got to be mobile.
“They just don’t have the cattle the moment, the world-class players there to actually do a lot about it.
“South Africa, sure they had the Tests against the Lions but they didn’t have that really tough Super Rugby programme that brings players up to a level where you either make it or you don’t.
“It’s a bit of a war of attrition, Super Rugby, but it certainly leaves the players in really good condition.”
And the forwards..?
the wings are self explanatory.....both of them
btw....I agree re no Superrugby being a huge influence
Rugby Championship Match Thread - Sat 2nd - SA v NZ / Arg v Aus
Fozz is more likely to pick that back row but I just want to see Savea in his rightful position.Gumboot wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:39 am This would be mine:
15. Jordie
14. Reece
13. ALB (Rieko if he's out)
12. Havili
11. Rieko (Bridge if ALB's out)
10. Beauden
9. Perenara
8. Savea (c)
7. Papalii
6. Akira
5. Scooter
4. BBBR
3. Laulala
2. Taylor
1. Moody
16. Taukei'aho, 17. Karl, 18. Ofa, 19. Vaa'i, 20. Jacobson, 21. Weber, 22. DMac, 23. Jordan
So.......release them ffs...send them to the URCChilli wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:40 amYou do realize that Am, Mampimpi and Nkosi are all 3 $harks players?
They are all 3 test startersSards wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:43 amSo.......release them ffs...send them to the URCChilli wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:40 amYou do realize that Am, Mampimpi and Nkosi are all 3 $harks players?Sards wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:36 am
Anyone figure out which centre he is talking about......
And the forwards..?
the wings are self explanatory.....both of them
btw....I agree re no Superrugby being a huge influence
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Laurie Mains don't rate the Sharks players. Keep quoting it, maybe you believe it.Sards wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:36 amAnyone figure out which centre he is talking about......Sards wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:08 amMains’ swipe at the Springboks comes following their two straight Test defeats by the Wallabies in Gold Coast and Brisbane, respectively.
“I think there’s four or five players in that team that simply are not up to Test level, and I think you’ll see that the All Blacks’ three-quarters will run riot against them,” Mains told Stuff on Monday.
“The centre and the two wings look simply just not good enough to be playing at that level. And, I’d have some questions over one or two of their forwards, too. It’s all very well they have big strong props, but boy, they’ve got to be mobile.
“They just don’t have the cattle the moment, the world-class players there to actually do a lot about it.
“South Africa, sure they had the Tests against the Lions but they didn’t have that really tough Super Rugby programme that brings players up to a level where you either make it or you don’t.
“It’s a bit of a war of attrition, Super Rugby, but it certainly leaves the players in really good condition.”
And the forwards..?
the wings are self explanatory.....both of them
btw....I agree re no Superrugby being a huge influence
Well I was wrong about the Bok bounce back against the Wallabies... so I have to assume they are keeping their powder dry for the All Blacks...
Rassie is cunning. I can't imagine he won't have the Boks fully psyched for this game... beat the All Blacks, even once and the season is a success...
Rassie is cunning. I can't imagine he won't have the Boks fully psyched for this game... beat the All Blacks, even once and the season is a success...
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Is this the same Laurie Mains that was such a kak coach of the Golden Lions or Cats? The 3/4s have been shit because the coaches have shackled them. Am and Mapimpi are the only Bok backs who regularly score tries. Our first receivers are often props and locks FFS. By the time the wings get the ball the oppo defence is ready and waiting.
Rassie isn't with them at the moment, he's back in SA. Which I believe has also been a contributing factor to our lackluster display.Grandpa wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:30 am Well I was wrong about the Bok bounce back against the Wallabies... so I have to assume they are keeping their powder dry for the All Blacks...
Rassie is cunning. I can't imagine he won't have the Boks fully psyched for this game... beat the All Blacks, even once and the season is a success...
But let's hope they are up for it this Saturday.
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But if I'm honest with myself I guess he is right. Mapimpi seems to have lost a bit of potency. Am has lots of great touches but is not breaking the line at all. Sbu still has a lot of upside I reckon. Unfortunately as long as Kolbe is there he won't get the chance.FalseBayFC wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:30 am Is this the same Laurie Mains that was such a kak coach of the Golden Lions or Cats? The 3/4s have been shit because the coaches have shackled them. Am and Mapimpi are the only Bok backs who regularly score tries. Our first receivers are often props and locks FFS. By the time the wings get the ball the oppo defence is ready and waiting.
All of those players are world class. During the Lions series, Am cemented his position as the best 13 in the world.FalseBayFC wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:47 am But if I'm honest with myself I guess he is right. Mapimpi seems to have lost a bit of potency. Am has lots of great touches but is not breaking the line at all. Sbu still has a lot of upside I reckon. Unfortunately as long as Kolbe is there he won't get the chance.
The few times Mapimpi gets the ball, he is completely swamped. Little effort is being made to put him into space, perhaps because we're not used to the ball being shifted down the line.
They didn't all lose form overnight but played like shit for the last two weeks.
We need Squidge Rugby to do an analysis. Perhaps that's what Nienaber is waiting on.
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Our slow loose forwards also mean that the wings are getting isolated and turned over.assfly wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:00 amAll of those players are world class. During the Lions series, Am cemented his position as the best 13 in the world.FalseBayFC wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:47 am But if I'm honest with myself I guess he is right. Mapimpi seems to have lost a bit of potency. Am has lots of great touches but is not breaking the line at all. Sbu still has a lot of upside I reckon. Unfortunately as long as Kolbe is there he won't get the chance.
The few times Mapimpi gets the ball, he is completely swamped. Little effort is being made to put him into space, perhaps because we're not used to the ball being shifted down the line.
They didn't all lose form overnight but played like shit for the last two weeks.
We need Squidge Rugby to do an analysis. Perhaps that's what Nienaber is waiting on.
It can't have helped that Am has had tits for hands and hasn't even been able to catch catch Covid-19FalseBayFC wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:04 amOur slow loose forwards also mean that the wings are getting isolated and turned over.assfly wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:00 amAll of those players are world class. During the Lions series, Am cemented his position as the best 13 in the world.FalseBayFC wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:47 am But if I'm honest with myself I guess he is right. Mapimpi seems to have lost a bit of potency. Am has lots of great touches but is not breaking the line at all. Sbu still has a lot of upside I reckon. Unfortunately as long as Kolbe is there he won't get the chance.
The few times Mapimpi gets the ball, he is completely swamped. Little effort is being made to put him into space, perhaps because we're not used to the ball being shifted down the line.
They didn't all lose form overnight but played like shit for the last two weeks.
We need Squidge Rugby to do an analysis. Perhaps that's what Nienaber is waiting on.
Previous game yes.....Chilli wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:30 amIt can't have helped that Am has had tits for hands and hasn't even been able to catch catch Covid-19FalseBayFC wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:04 amOur slow loose forwards also mean that the wings are getting isolated and turned over.assfly wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:00 am
All of those players are world class. During the Lions series, Am cemented his position as the best 13 in the world.
The few times Mapimpi gets the ball, he is completely swamped. Little effort is being made to put him into space, perhaps because we're not used to the ball being shifted down the line.
They didn't all lose form overnight but played like shit for the last two weeks.
We need Squidge Rugby to do an analysis. Perhaps that's what Nienaber is waiting on.
In this l;ast game tits for hands was Herschell.......Hands down....
Junkies was crap.Sards wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:44 amPrevious game yes.....Chilli wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:30 amIt can't have helped that Am has had tits for hands and hasn't even been able to catch catch Covid-19FalseBayFC wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:04 am
Our slow loose forwards also mean that the wings are getting isolated and turned over.
In this l;ast game tits for hands was Herschell.......Hands down....
Am was crap
Nkosi was crap
Mampimpi was crap.
Doesn't matter which union they are from, they were crap.
we only get the ball to the wings on the touchline...with 3 defenders there already.FalseBayFC wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:30 am Is this the same Laurie Mains that was such a kak coach of the Golden Lions or Cats? The 3/4s have been shit because the coaches have shackled them. Am and Mapimpi are the only Bok backs who regularly score tries. Our first receivers are often props and locks FFS. By the time the wings get the ball the oppo defence is ready and waiting.
our centres dont run any lines except for straight into the opposition.....I've live this abonimation for years
the kick chase is non existent because its too deep and we end up defending...its a shitshow
OK, if you insist on dropping him that's fine with me.
De Allende was crapChilli wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:49 amJunkies was crap.
Am was crap
Nkosi was crap
Mampimpi was crap.
Doesn't matter which union they are from, they were crap.
Pollard was crap
The whole team was vokken crap...including the coaches and the vokken kak game plan.....its a worse than a shit show....its downright humiliating.....those players should all be deeply embarrassed....irrespective of the next 2 results.
But please send the Sharks players home now......I cant be bothered worrying about the hiding we are in for this weekend
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Kolbey still injured. We are stuck with Nkosi.
I'm a big fan of Am, but he has been average the last 2 tests.assfly wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:00 amAll of those players are world class. During the Lions series, Am cemented his position as the best 13 in the world.FalseBayFC wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:47 am But if I'm honest with myself I guess he is right. Mapimpi seems to have lost a bit of potency. Am has lots of great touches but is not breaking the line at all. Sbu still has a lot of upside I reckon. Unfortunately as long as Kolbe is there he won't get the chance.
The few times Mapimpi gets the ball, he is completely swamped. Little effort is being made to put him into space, perhaps because we're not used to the ball being shifted down the line.
They didn't all lose form overnight but played like shit for the last two weeks.
We need Squidge Rugby to do an analysis. Perhaps that's what Nienaber is waiting on.
Springboks, Stormers and WP supporter.
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Our national team's failings reflect an illness that pervades rugby from schoolboy level all the way up. We haven't discarded the archaic military model of top down decision making I remember so well from my days in the SADF. The brass micro-managing everything and having blue-prints and manuals for every last action and behaviour of the troepies.Chilli wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:49 amJunkies was crap.
Am was crap
Nkosi was crap
Mampimpi was crap.
Doesn't matter which union they are from, they were crap.
Its both our strength and weakness. Our kids emerge from school with an unbelievable work ethic and discipline. Amazing athletes doing everything their coaches tell them to. But when I look at many of the Boks them they seem almost childlike. They parrot the same Christian dogma, devoid of any personality. They come across as fearful and unimaginative.
Standard practice in any military is to put new recruits through an intensive process aimed at instilling "standards and discipline". Break down the individual so that he doesn't question authority. This is done to our kids in the sporting context from the get go. While it has its merits I fear that the zeal with which it is applied in SA means that our youngsters emerge with very little spirit or energy to express themselves. This is very evident in our rugby right now.
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Boet I think you take it a bit too military. Those days are long gone.
The last intake was 30 - 40 years ago.
The last intake was 30 - 40 years ago.
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I'm glad I missed it. I wouldn't have done very well. I've always had an issued with authority, teachers tried to no avail to moer it out of me but it just made it worse.
Vok I feel old.........OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:29 pm Boet I think you take it a bit too military. Those days are long gone.
The last intake was 30 - 40 years ago.
It was fokken great. You quickly learn how to stay out of the way of trouble and you're all in it together.average joe wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:43 am I'm glad I missed it. I wouldn't have done very well. I've always had an issued with authority, teachers tried to no avail to moer it out of me but it just made it worse.
Vok I can just imagine AJ in basics.....he reminds me of my mate who convinced me to help him steal the corporals beetle to go jolling in Potch....vok we got hammered , by booze and the locals.....sorCrer wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:52 amIt was fokken great. You quickly learn how to stay out of the way of trouble and you're all in it together.average joe wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:43 am I'm glad I missed it. I wouldn't have done very well. I've always had an issued with authority, teachers tried to no avail to moer it out of me but it just made it worse.
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I just missed it. I was severely bullied in primary school but by the time I got to standard 6 people knew to just leave me the fok alone. I never stayed away from trouble, trouble stayed clear of me. The windgat matric's that tried to haze me really had a hard time.sorCrer wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:52 amIt was fokken great. You quickly learn how to stay out of the way of trouble and you're all in it together.average joe wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:43 am I'm glad I missed it. I wouldn't have done very well. I've always had an issued with authority, teachers tried to no avail to moer it out of me but it just made it worse.
Spent some time in Kimberly and we had Dakbewooners. These troops would get zolled and then climb into the roofs of the bungalows and sleep on the asbestos insulation under the zinc sheets and it's fokken hot in Kimberly. Hiding away all day. They'd only come out for roll call or at night for food and they were always thin and very pale with red eyes.average joe wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:13 amI just missed it. I was severely bullied in primary school but by the time I got to standard 6 people knew to just leave me the fok alone. I never stayed away from trouble, trouble stayed clear of me. The windgat matric's that tried to haze me really had a hard time.sorCrer wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:52 amIt was fokken great. You quickly learn how to stay out of the way of trouble and you're all in it together.average joe wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:43 am I'm glad I missed it. I wouldn't have done very well. I've always had an issued with authority, teachers tried to no avail to moer it out of me but it just made it worse.
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Sounds about right, only I would have burned the thing after we were done.Sards wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:56 amVok I can just imagine AJ in basics.....he reminds me of my mate who convinced me to help him steal the corporals beetle to go jolling in Potch....vok we got hammered , by booze and the locals.....sorCrer wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:52 amIt was fokken great. You quickly learn how to stay out of the way of trouble and you're all in it together.average joe wrote: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:43 am I'm glad I missed it. I wouldn't have done very well. I've always had an issued with authority, teachers tried to no avail to moer it out of me but it just made it worse.
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outh Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Sibusiso Nkosi, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Francois de Klerk, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Albertus Smith, 6 Siyamthanda Kolisi (captain), 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Mbongeni Mbonambi, 1 Trevor Nyakane
Replacements:16 Malcolm Marx, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Francois Mostert, 20 Marco van Staden, 21 Herschel Jantjies, 22 Elton Jantjies, 23 Frans Steyn
Date: Saturday, September 25
Venue: QLD Country Bank Stadium, Townsville
Kick-off: 17.05 (09.05 SA time; 19.05 NZ time; 07.05 GMT)
Referee: Luke Pearce (ENG)
Assitant referees: Jordan Way (AUS) and Reuben Keane (AUS)
TMO: Damon Murphy (AUS)
