International
Saturday 23 October 2021, 8:30pm BST
Sunday 24 October 2021, 8:30am NZT
USA
1 . Matt Harmon
2. Dylan Fawsitt
3. Paul Mullen
4. Nate Brakeley
5. Nick Civetta
6. Ben Bonasso
7. Hanco Germishuys
8. Cameron Dolan
9. Nate Augspurger
10. Antonin Berruyer
11. Ryan Matyas
12. Bryce Campbell
13. Tavita Lopeti
14. Ryan James
15. Will Hooley
Substitutes
16. Chad Gough
17. Faka'osi Pifeleti
18. Dino Waldren
19. Siaosi Mahoni
20. Tesimoni Tongauiha
21. Andrew Guerra
22. Michael Baska
23. Mike Dabulas
NZ
1. Ethan de Groot (2 caps)
2. Asafo Aumua (4)
3. Angus Ta’avao (19)
4. Samuel Whitelock (127) - captain
5. Tupou Vaa’i (7)
6. Luke Jacobson (10)
7. Dalton Papalii (9)
8. Hoskins Sotutu (8)
9. Finlay Christie (3)
10. Richie Mo’unga (27)
11. George Bridge (16)
12. Quinn Tupaea (4)
13. Braydon Ennor (2)
14. Will Jordan (9)
15. Damian McKenzie (37)
Substitutes
16. Dane Coles (76)
17. George Bower (8)
18. Tyrel Lomax (10)
19. Josh Lord - new cap
20. Sam Cane (74)
21. TJ Perenara (75)
22. Beauden Barrett (98)
23. Anton Lienert-Brown (53)
USA v NZ - match thread - Sat 8.30pm BST - Sun 8.30am NZT
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OomStruisbaai
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Gary Gold still USA coach?
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OomStruisbaai
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Henco Germishuys must be a Saffer.
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ScarfaceClaw
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Is it on anything in the UK other than premier sports 2 - available as an upgrade to your subscription.
Bastards.
Bastards.
At least they are both locks.
What’s the requirement on being able to play for the all blacks after overseas stint? I always thought it was the case they have to play a season of Supe before re joining?
Obviously I’m worried come World Cup time. We don’t want to have a bunch of our superstars all rusty coming from playing in Japan where perhaps they can get away with less accuracy.
Obviously I’m worried come World Cup time. We don’t want to have a bunch of our superstars all rusty coming from playing in Japan where perhaps they can get away with less accuracy.
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sport ... 021-10-19/
Trying to read in to this. Obviously they’re stating Sam W over Ardie. But Plumtree alluding to a little more.
Now that Cane is also in the team, what do we think when Cane is back to full matches?
Will it still be Sammy with a W?
Trying to read in to this. Obviously they’re stating Sam W over Ardie. But Plumtree alluding to a little more.
Now that Cane is also in the team, what do we think when Cane is back to full matches?
Will it still be Sammy with a W?
A bit more on it here.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-b ... k-of-trust
https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-b ... k-of-trust
There's another thread to this conversation, and a significant one.
Specialist openside flanker Sam Cane, who was head coach Ian Foster's No 1 pick as captain last year but hasn't represented the All Blacks this season because of injury, has been overlooked for the prestigious role.
This is a major call. It also makes sense.
Cane, who suffered a serious chest injury playing for the Chiefs and had surgery in early April, has made just once appearance since - for King Country in the Heartland Championship on October 9.
He needs game time. That is likely to start against the United States in Washington DC on Sunday morning (NZT), but not as skipper.
In the past, when an All Blacks captain returned from injury he usually assumed his role at a rapid rate. But not in the case of Cane.
Now he must bide his time. Cane also faces a genuine contest for the No 7 jersey, with Savea a potential starter there for the big tests against Wales, Ireland and France.
Plumtree, when asked if Cane can get the captaincy back, said that could certainly happen. First, though, the All Blacks coaches want him to get match-fit.
He said the burden of captaincy shouldn't be allowed to make that more difficult.
"It is a massive injury that he has had,'' Plumtree said. "And we have to give him time to come right and get his game right before he can take the responsibility of leading the All Blacks, which is obviously a massive one in terms of leadership.''
Ardie Savea has been appointed vice-captain after it was decided Sam Whitelock should take over as skipper.
Ardie Savea has been appointed vice-captain after it was decided Sam Whitelock should take over as skipper.
The change in captains also creates the spectre of Cane and Whitelock potentially going head-to-head for the highly coveted position ahead of the World Cup. Both are contracted to NZ Rugby through to 2023.
Savea's supporters will no doubt be disappointed he has been demoted. But it's hard to ignore the credentials of Whitelock, who has played 127 tests, and was in charge of the team when it retained the Bledisloe Cup in New Zealand, and led the Crusaders to three titles between 2017 and 2019.
Cane, for now, will have to try to create some serious heat on the park.
I think so. A friend responded to a tweet by T2 rugby news acc't about the USA's decline, very mild comment suggesting both NA teams are suffering. Gold actually DM's him asking 'why pile on with the abuse'.
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ScarfaceClaw
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Bold strategy. Someone must have a link.Ymx wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:25 pm Right not long now.
Impulsively I signed up for a month of premier sports.
Why didn’t I just find a link?
Well, I’m committed now ….
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convoluted
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Ever since this fixture was announced, the dread has been that that woke poseur Flapanara will take the knee.
Doubt we'll be seeing Kapa o Pango today.convoluted wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:20 pmEver since this fixture was announced, the dread has been that that woke poseur Flapanara will take the knee.
Never thought about the knee thing.convoluted wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:20 pm Ever since this fixture was announced, the dread has been that that woke poseur Flapanara will take the knee.
Didn’t think the ABs did the knee.
