Cricket: T20 World Cup

[Paddington Bear]

Got ourselves a game now…

[JM2K6]

Kimber wrote a decent article on this QdK thing: https://wickets.substack.com/p/quinton- ... instead-of

It's worth a read.



Shit tournament so far, most of the pitches have been pretty crap for T20, a format that is at its best when the conditions favour the batsmen. Too many teams limping to low totals.

You see, I prefer this. But yes, T20 was formatted to appeal to the US style sport audience i.e. the bigger the score, the better the spectacle surely must be......

It's not meant to be like a substandard county match. T20 is designed to make batters take gambles when batting, and for bowlers to consider a different approach to that in Tests and some ODIs. Instead we get guff like most of these matches, where batters struggle to hit boundaries, bowlers are "bowling dry", and it's like watching paint dry as it lacks all the context & the framework that makes Test cricket in the same conditions work so much better.

[Torquemada 1420]

Kimber wrote a decent article on this QdK thing: https://wickets.substack.com/p/quinton- ... instead-of

It's worth a read.

BTW, those issues are the very same ones that have plagued (and to some degree, still do) English rugby, cricket and tennis.

[Torquemada 1420]

Kimber wrote a decent article on this QdK thing: https://wickets.substack.com/p/quinton- ... instead-of

It's worth a read.



Shit tournament so far, most of the pitches have been pretty crap for T20, a format that is at its best when the conditions favour the batsmen. Too many teams limping to low totals.

You see, I prefer this. But yes, T20 was formatted to appeal to the US style sport audience i.e. the bigger the score, the better the spectacle surely must be......

It's not meant to be like a substandard county match. T20 is designed to make batters take gambles when batting, and for bowlers to consider a different approach to that in Tests and some ODIs. Instead we get guff like most of these matches, where batters struggle to hit boundaries, bowlers are "bowling dry", and it's like watching paint dry as it lacks all the context & the framework that makes Test cricket in the same conditions work so much better.

Maybe it's too far the other way but I have no interest in games where the opening side makes 260-3 and is defeated by 261-5. There is something inherently wrong in a format where the principle objective of cricket: bowl out the opposition to win, is rarely the method of winning. IPL really is sh*t.

[JM2K6]

You see, I prefer this. But yes, T20 was formatted to appeal to the US style sport audience i.e. the bigger the score, the better the spectacle surely must be......

It's not meant to be like a substandard county match. T20 is designed to make batters take gambles when batting, and for bowlers to consider a different approach to that in Tests and some ODIs. Instead we get guff like most of these matches, where batters struggle to hit boundaries, bowlers are "bowling dry", and it's like watching paint dry as it lacks all the context & the framework that makes Test cricket in the same conditions work so much better.

Maybe it's too far the other way but I have no interest in games where the opening side makes 260-3 and is defeated by 261-5. There is something inherently wrong in a format where the principle objective of cricket: bowl out the opposition to win, is rarely the method of winning. IPL really is sh*t.

245/6 is the highest chase in a T20 international...

But yes, if you don't like limited overs cricket - ODIs also rarely see a team bowled out - then I can see how you might enjoy a T20 tournament featuring loads of matches that have little of the stuff that makes limited overs cricket enjoyable in its own way.

Anyway, glad you like it. Not sure it's going to end up as a memorable* or popular tournament in the grand scheme of things, and that's a shame.


*barring some insane sporting drama or something horrible happening

[Slick]

I notice that both Scotland and Namibia took the knee before the game.



I really don't understand why it's so hard. Why it's something you would go home for. Why it's something you would refuse to play for your country over. And why you would be happy to potentially sabotage the chances of your National side and your team mates.

The only impact it seems to be having is middle aged white blokes arguing over who is and isn't doing it.

I hope you're right, but it can potentially become a distraction and even divide the team.

Apart from the fact that one of our best players has removed himself.

I meant the whole taking a knee circus

[Torquemada 1420]

It's not meant to be like a substandard county match. T20 is designed to make batters take gambles when batting, and for bowlers to consider a different approach to that in Tests and some ODIs. Instead we get guff like most of these matches, where batters struggle to hit boundaries, bowlers are "bowling dry", and it's like watching paint dry as it lacks all the context & the framework that makes Test cricket in the same conditions work so much better.

Maybe it's too far the other way but I have no interest in games where the opening side makes 260-3 and is defeated by 261-5. There is something inherently wrong in a format where the principle objective of cricket: bowl out the opposition to win, is rarely the method of winning. IPL really is sh*t.

245/6 is the highest chase in a T20 international...

But yes, if you don't like limited overs cricket - ODIs also rarely see a team bowled out - then I can see how you might enjoy a T20 tournament featuring loads of matches that have little of the stuff that makes limited overs cricket enjoyable in its own way.

Anyway, glad you like it. Not sure it's going to end up as a memorable* or popular tournament in the grand scheme of things, and that's a shame.


*barring some insane sporting drama or something horrible happening

I know. I was exaggerating.

But accept that T20 was not designed for or aimed at the likes of me. Instant "coffee" v coffee I guess. And it will be the "worst" T20 ever because this is all about audience and money so the combo of location and the games will defo ensure that.

[Torquemada 1420]

Now THAT'S a field.

[OomStruisbaai]

Albie Morkels team got their win.

[Torquemada 1420]

Damn. Thought we might see France find a new way of losing from an un-losable position......

[sorCrer]

Not if your principle is pointless.

Then you just look like a dickhead.

How can it possibly be pointless? Surely for e.g. if you are an atheist it doesn't mean you have the right to tell someone of faith that their principles on kneeling are pointless?

It's pointless because it's arbitrary and he's making it up as he's going along.

It's like people claiming that their religion means that they are exempt from wearing a mask: you know damn well that their religion makes no such provision.

It isn't arbitrary. I've already made it clear that I wouldn't kneel for any man or cause. Are you telling me that I'm making it up?

Religion does make a provision for kneeling. I posted an article from Pope Benedict discussing this explicitly.

[Insane_Homer]

Has he made his statement yet?

[FalseBayFC]

Has he made his statement yet?

Oh Jeez. Being a Saffer is so taxing sometimes. We always have some bullshit going on. I was hoping we were going to do a dark horse, flying under the radar kind of thing in this comp. Instead we (QDK) manage to turn it into a shitshow. And as I type, one of three loadshedding sessions for the day starts! Vokken!

[OomStruisbaai]

Has he made his statement yet?

Oh Jeez. Being a Saffer is so taxing sometimes. We always have some bullshit going on. I was hoping we were going to do a dark horse, flying under the radar kind of thing in this comp. Instead we (QDK) manage to turn it into a shitshow. And as I type, one of three loadshedding sessions for the day starts! Vokken!

Malema blames the ANC using the load shedding to their advantage. How vokken stupid is this?

That's why only Saffers really understand the fragile vokken politics. QdK has been brave to take it on.

[Insane_Homer]

I wouldn't kneel for any man or cause. Are you telling me that I'm making it up?

That's rather arbitrary line in the sand and odd hill to die on, and it's got fokk all to do with self respect before you try and go there again.

If someone held a gun to your child's head?

[handyman]

Someone on here posted that QdK is R 200 mil strong, if that's the case boet, wash your hands of this CSA circus, play IPL and Big Bash, buy a few homes all around the world and live the good life.

[Big Nipper]

QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

Cricket SA released this statement on behalf SA wicketkeeper Quinton de Kock on Thursday:

I would like to start by saying sorry to my teammates, and the fans back home.

I never ever wanted to make this a Quinton issue.

I understand the importance of standing against racism, and I also understand the responsibility of us as players to set an example.

If me taking a knee helps to educate others, and makes the lives of others better, I am more than happy to do so.

I did not, in any way, mean to disrespect anyone by not playing against West Indies, especially the West Indian team themselves.

Maybe some people don't understand that we were just hit with this on Tuesday morning, on the way to a game.

I am deeply sorry for all the hurt, confusion and anger that I have caused. I was quiet on this very important issue until now.

But I feel I have to explain myself a little bit.

For those who don't know, I come from a mixed race family.

My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black.

For me, Black lives have mattered since I was born.

Not just because there was an international movement.

The rights and equality of all people is more important than any individual.

I was raised to understand that we all have rights, and they are important.

I felt like my rights were taken away when I was told what we had to do in the way that we were told.

Since our chat with the board last night, which was very emotional, I think we all have a better understanding of their intentions as well.

I wish this had happened sooner, because what happened on match day could have been avoided. I know I have an example to set.

We were previously told we had the choice to do what we felt we wanted to do.

I chose to keep my thoughts to myself, and thought of the pride of playing for my family and my country. I didn't understand why I had to prove it with a gesture, when I live and learn and love people from all walks of life every day.

When you are told what to do, with no discussion, I felt like it takes away the meaning.

If I was racist, I could easily have taken the knee and lied, which is wrong and doesn’t build a better society.

Those who have grown up with me and played with me, know what type of person I am. I've been called a lot of things as a cricketer.

Doff. Stupid. Selfish. Immature.

But those didn't hurt.

Being called a racist because of a misunderstanding hurts me deeply. It hurts my family. It hurts my pregnant wife.

I am not a racist.

In my heart of hearts, I know that.

And I think those who know me know that. I know I'm not great with words, but I've tried my best to explain how truly sorry I am for making like this is about me.

It is not. I won't lie, I was shocked that we were told on the way to an important match that there was an instruction that we had to follow, with a perceived “or else.”

I don't think I was the only one. We had camps. We had sessions. We had zoom meetings. We know where we all stand. And that is together.

I love every one of my teammates, and I love nothing more than playing cricket for South Africa.

I think it would of been better for everyone concerned if we had sorted this out before the tournament started.

Then we could have focused on our job, to win cricket matches for our country.

There always seems to be a drama when we go to World Cups.

That isn't fair.

I just want to thank my teammates for their support, especially my captain, Temba.

People might not recognise, but he is a flipping amazing leader.

If he and the team, and South Africa, will have me, I would love nothing more than to play cricket for my country again.

QDK

[handyman]

It is amazing how QdK could use his profile and position in the Proteas team to make Save the Rhino gestures on the tour to West Indies earlier this year, but could not come together with his team to condemn racism by making a gesture before a game.

By being forced to kneel?

Eish, I guess after reading QdK's statement, those that condemned him might be feeling a bit kak.

[Insane_Homer]

A reasonable and measured response that puts the ball firmly in CSA's court.

[FalseBayFC]

QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

Cricket SA released this statement on behalf SA wicketkeeper Quinton de Kock on Thursday:

I would like to start by saying sorry to my teammates, and the fans back home.

I never ever wanted to make this a Quinton issue.

I understand the importance of standing against racism, and I also understand the responsibility of us as players to set an example.

If me taking a knee helps to educate others, and makes the lives of others better, I am more than happy to do so.

I did not, in any way, mean to disrespect anyone by not playing against West Indies, especially the West Indian team themselves.

Maybe some people don't understand that we were just hit with this on Tuesday morning, on the way to a game.

I am deeply sorry for all the hurt, confusion and anger that I have caused. I was quiet on this very important issue until now.

But I feel I have to explain myself a little bit.

For those who don't know, I come from a mixed race family.

My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black.

For me, Black lives have mattered since I was born.

Not just because there was an international movement.

The rights and equality of all people is more important than any individual.

I was raised to understand that we all have rights, and they are important.

I felt like my rights were taken away when I was told what we had to do in the way that we were told.

Since our chat with the board last night, which was very emotional, I think we all have a better understanding of their intentions as well.

I wish this had happened sooner, because what happened on match day could have been avoided. I know I have an example to set.

We were previously told we had the choice to do what we felt we wanted to do.

I chose to keep my thoughts to myself, and thought of the pride of playing for my family and my country. I didn't understand why I had to prove it with a gesture, when I live and learn and love people from all walks of life every day.

When you are told what to do, with no discussion, I felt like it takes away the meaning.

If I was racist, I could easily have taken the knee and lied, which is wrong and doesn’t build a better society.

Those who have grown up with me and played with me, know what type of person I am. I've been called a lot of things as a cricketer.

Doff. Stupid. Selfish. Immature.

But those didn't hurt.

Being called a racist because of a misunderstanding hurts me deeply. It hurts my family. It hurts my pregnant wife.

I am not a racist.

In my heart of hearts, I know that.

And I think those who know me know that. I know I'm not great with words, but I've tried my best to explain how truly sorry I am for making like this is about me.

It is not. I won't lie, I was shocked that we were told on the way to an important match that there was an instruction that we had to follow, with a perceived “or else.”

I don't think I was the only one. We had camps. We had sessions. We had zoom meetings. We know where we all stand. And that is together.

I love every one of my teammates, and I love nothing more than playing cricket for South Africa.

I think it would of been better for everyone concerned if we had sorted this out before the tournament started.

Then we could have focused on our job, to win cricket matches for our country.

There always seems to be a drama when we go to World Cups.

That isn't fair.

I just want to thank my teammates for their support, especially my captain, Temba.

People might not recognise, but he is a flipping amazing leader.

If he and the team, and South Africa, will have me, I would love nothing more than to play cricket for my country again.

QDK

We were all wrong!

[Insane_Homer]

We were all wrong!

I'd also presume, that up until now, what he's been doing during the moment has been acceptable. So what has changed that it's now an issue?

It's a bit weird that CSA has been happy & condoned prior gesture behaviour to be fine up to now (with CSA, his team mates and the other observing press & public - has there been prior rumblings to his and or other players gestures to now?)

Assuming that's the case, and it's not QdK who's changed his position, I would think QdK's objection revolves around this sudden required change from CSA and demonising behaviour that up to now had been acceptable?

[sorCrer]

QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

You're a truly toxic person. Classic new age internet persona. Not surprised you dox people.

[Big Nipper]

QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

You're a truly toxic person. Classic new age internet persona. Not surprised you dox people.

Who did I ever dox? I was doxxed here before

[Gumboot]

So...he threw a tantrum and is now apologising to everyone for being a dick and letting his team down. Hope that's the last we hear from the attention seeking dumbarse.

[Big Nipper]

So...he threw a tantrum and is now apologising to everyone for being a dick and letting his team down. Hope that's the last we hear from the attention seeking dumbarse.

Exactly this. He obviously does not have the brightest support system

[Chilli]

When I read this fred and am educated as to just how shit CSA is, I am reminded of why I stopped watching and supporting cricket.



What a fucking mess, and t could all have been avoided.

[assfly]

What a fucking mess, and t could all have been avoided.

It really is. A total shambles.

[FalseBayFC]

We were all wrong!

I'd also presume, that up until now, what he's been doing during the moment has been acceptable. So what has changed that it's now an issue?

It's a bit weird that CSA has been happy & condoned prior gesture behaviour to be fine up to now (with CSA, his team mates and the other observing press & public - has there been prior rumblings to his and or other players gestures to now?)

Assuming that's the case, and it's not QdK who's changed his position, I would think QdK's objection revolves around this sudden required change from CSA and demonising behaviour that up to now had been acceptable?

Quinton is that you?

[Big Nipper]

As a fan who would travel for test matches, it makes me so angry how poorly CSA has run tours in SA. No marketing at all, meaning opening day crowds vs Australia in Durban of 3000, and 2500 in PE. It is unacceptable

[FalseBayFC]

So...he threw a tantrum and is now apologising to everyone for being a dick and letting his team down. Hope that's the last we hear from the attention seeking dumbarse.

Sigh! You guys seem to poach all the good Saffers. We managed to offload KP on England. Maybe we should send QDK to NZ for a year to learn how to be a model team player like Kiwi Devon.

[sorCrer]

QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

You're a truly toxic person. Classic new age internet persona. Not surprised you dox people.

Who did I ever dox? I was doxxed here before

When you search and lookup people on LinkedIn, they're notified. Have some courage.

[FalseBayFC]

As a fan who would travel for test matches, it makes me so angry how poorly CSA has run tours in SA. No marketing at all, meaning opening day crowds vs Australia in Durban of 3000, and 2500 in PE. It is unacceptable

True that. I spend more than I should and plan to go to Wanderers if I can get tickets. CSA is a basket case.

[Big Nipper]

You're a truly toxic person. Classic new age internet persona. Not surprised you dox people.

Who did I ever dox? I was doxxed here before

When you search and lookup people on LinkedIn, they're notified. Have some courage.

Huh? I am seriously not sure what you mean by that

[handyman]

When I read this fred and am educated as to just how shit CSA is, I am reminded of why I stopped watching and supporting cricket.



What a fucking mess, and t could all have been avoided.

The real scumbags.

[Rinkals]

QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

Cricket SA released this statement on behalf SA wicketkeeper Quinton de Kock on Thursday:

I would like to start by saying sorry to my teammates, and the fans back home.

I never ever wanted to make this a Quinton issue.

I understand the importance of standing against racism, and I also understand the responsibility of us as players to set an example.

If me taking a knee helps to educate others, and makes the lives of others better, I am more than happy to do so.

I did not, in any way, mean to disrespect anyone by not playing against West Indies, especially the West Indian team themselves.

Maybe some people don't understand that we were just hit with this on Tuesday morning, on the way to a game.

I am deeply sorry for all the hurt, confusion and anger that I have caused. I was quiet on this very important issue until now.

But I feel I have to explain myself a little bit.

For those who don't know, I come from a mixed race family.

My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black.

For me, Black lives have mattered since I was born.

Not just because there was an international movement.

The rights and equality of all people is more important than any individual.

I was raised to understand that we all have rights, and they are important.

I felt like my rights were taken away when I was told what we had to do in the way that we were told.

Since our chat with the board last night, which was very emotional, I think we all have a better understanding of their intentions as well.

I wish this had happened sooner, because what happened on match day could have been avoided. I know I have an example to set.

We were previously told we had the choice to do what we felt we wanted to do.

I chose to keep my thoughts to myself, and thought of the pride of playing for my family and my country. I didn't understand why I had to prove it with a gesture, when I live and learn and love people from all walks of life every day.

When you are told what to do, with no discussion, I felt like it takes away the meaning.

If I was racist, I could easily have taken the knee and lied, which is wrong and doesn’t build a better society.

Those who have grown up with me and played with me, know what type of person I am. I've been called a lot of things as a cricketer.

Doff. Stupid. Selfish. Immature.

But those didn't hurt.

Being called a racist because of a misunderstanding hurts me deeply. It hurts my family. It hurts my pregnant wife.

I am not a racist.

In my heart of hearts, I know that.

And I think those who know me know that. I know I'm not great with words, but I've tried my best to explain how truly sorry I am for making like this is about me.

It is not. I won't lie, I was shocked that we were told on the way to an important match that there was an instruction that we had to follow, with a perceived “or else.”

I don't think I was the only one. We had camps. We had sessions. We had zoom meetings. We know where we all stand. And that is together.

I love every one of my teammates, and I love nothing more than playing cricket for South Africa.

I think it would of been better for everyone concerned if we had sorted this out before the tournament started.

Then we could have focused on our job, to win cricket matches for our country.

There always seems to be a drama when we go to World Cups.

That isn't fair.

I just want to thank my teammates for their support, especially my captain, Temba.

People might not recognise, but he is a flipping amazing leader.

If he and the team, and South Africa, will have me, I would love nothing more than to play cricket for my country again.

QDK

We were all wrong!

Not me, Bud.

I was right!

You guys should listen to me more often.

[OomStruisbaai]

Respect for QdK. He stand up for the right reason.

[FalseBayFC]

QdK's statement

Good on him, also shame on the likes of Saucer who tried to spin the bullshit Xtian angle

We were all wrong!

Not me, Bud.

I was right!

You guys should listen to me more often.

Far too much common sense. Where's the fun in that?

[Rinkals]

When I read this fred and am educated as to just how shit CSA is, I am reminded of why I stopped watching and supporting cricket.



What a fucking mess, and t could all have been avoided.

I, for one, can see how having a disjointed response to the issue presents poor optics, not just for the people back home, but for all Nations as we try to live down our past.

This doesn't look good:



It suggests that we are not a unified team and that we are split into racial camps.

I think that CSA felt it was imperative that we have a uniform response to BLM (or whatever acronym you want to use) and the fact that other teams are taking the knee and we don't makes it look pretty poor in view of our recent past.

[Rinkals]

We were all wrong!

Not me, Bud.

I was right!

You guys should listen to me more often.

Far too much common sense. Where's the fun in that?

Good point.

[Calculon]

So...he threw a tantrum and is now apologising to everyone for being a dick and letting his team down. Hope that's the last we hear from the attention seeking dumbarse.

Lol, he's saying CSA were twats for springing this on him at the last minute, he feels that individuals should be allowed to choose how they respond whether kneeling or standing to attention. He also says he feels kneeling is a meaningless gesture, and even more so now that it is compulsory. And he also implies that the team were united despite their different response to kneeling.

As I said his response will change nothing, the twats who think he is racist will continue to think so and people like you and Nipper who thought he was an attention seeking dumbarse will continue to do so. In fact your post is a good example of whatever response he gives, will give his detractors just more reasons to double down on the opinion they already have of him.