Cricket: T20 World Cup

[handyman]

When I read this fred and am educated as to just how shit CSA is, I am reminded of why I stopped watching and supporting cricket.



What a fucking mess, and t could all have been avoided.

I, for one, can see how having a disjointed response to the issue presents poor optics, not just for the people back home, but for all Nations as we try to live down our past.

This doesn't look good:



It suggests that we are not a unified team and that we are split into racial camps.

I think that CSA felt it was imperative that we have a uniform response to BLM (or whatever acronym you want to use) and the fact that other teams are taking the knee and we don't makes it look pretty poor in view of our recent past.

But we had months if not a year to figure it out. Why disrupt a world cup campaign yet again?

[Calculon]

This doesn't look good:

It suggests that we are not a unified team and that we are split into racial camps.

Yes, to the simpleminded.

[Sandstorm]

“Wah! I don’t want to do what my boss told me to do. Wah!”

“You’re suspended, Quentin”

“I can’t believe you did that to me! Wah! My sister is Black”


Dickhead.

[Torquemada 1420]

But I feel I have to explain myself a little bit.

For those who don't know, I come from a mixed race family.

My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black.

Well that blows those out of the water who were desperate to prove he was a racist.

This is an excellent article
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/t20- ... ee-1285641

[OomStruisbaai]

But I feel I have to explain myself a little bit.

For those who don't know, I come from a mixed race family.

My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black.

Well that blows those out of the water who were desperate to prove he was a racist.

This is an excellent article
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/t20- ... ee-1285641

The same happen with Lood de Jager, who adopted a black kid and did not kneel.

[Rinkals]

This doesn't look good:

It suggests that we are not a unified team and that we are split into racial camps.

Yes, to the simpleminded.

Thanks for editing my post to remove its context.

I think you have made your opinion of my simplemindedness pretty obvious on here, but I am honestly not worried about it.

However, I don't think you need to be "simple minded" to look at that picture and see an image of a team split along racial lines.

Moreover, it's an aspect that other sides will probably use to get under the players' skin and exploit.

Whether kneeling is a meaningless gesture or not is irrelevant: some of the team feel strongly enough to want to do it, but there is also the fact that other teams are taking the knee. If we refuse, then it suggests that we are not willing to acknowledge that racism exists, and, given our recent history, we leave ourselves open to being adversely judged on the matter.

[Slick]

But I feel I have to explain myself a little bit.

For those who don't know, I come from a mixed race family.

My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black.

Well that blows those out of the water who were desperate to prove he was a racist.

This is an excellent article
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/t20- ... ee-1285641

The same happen with Lood de Jager, who adopted a black kid and did not kneel.

More evidence of what a farce it has all become, if it wasn't such an important subject it would be hilarious.

[ASMO]

This doesn't look good:

It suggests that we are not a unified team and that we are split into racial camps.

Yes, to the simpleminded.

Thanks for editing my post to remove its context.

I think you have made your opinion of my simplemindedness pretty obvious on here, but I am honestly not worried about it.

However, I don't think you need to be "simple minded" to look at that picture and see an image of a team split along racial lines.

Moreover, it's an aspect that other sides will probably use to get under the players' skin and exploit.

Whether kneeling is a meaningless gesture or not is irrelevant: some of the team feel strongly enough to want to do it, but there is also the fact that other teams are taking the knee. If we refuse, then it suggests that we are not willing to acknowledge that racism exists, and, given our recent history, we leave ourselves open to being adversely judged on the matter.

I think you are somewhat oversimplifying this, i don't think not kneeling suggests anything of the sort. Additionally i am not seeing the racial division you are talking about in that picture, you have some kneeling with a raised fist, some standing with a raised fist and some standing to attention, all in my view showing some sort of respect/acknowledgement to the point being made. The moment you make a gesture political is the moment it loses its meaning, and this is a political statement, not a personal one in my view, especially when the organisation you work for makes it mandatory.

[OomStruisbaai]

Rinkhals would be happy if no one kneeled.

[Sandstorm]

Rinkhals would be happy if no one kneeled.

Rinky is never happy.

[Chilli]

Yes, to the simpleminded.

Thanks for editing my post to remove its context.

I think you have made your opinion of my simplemindedness pretty obvious on here, but I am honestly not worried about it.

However, I don't think you need to be "simple minded" to look at that picture and see an image of a team split along racial lines.

Moreover, it's an aspect that other sides will probably use to get under the players' skin and exploit.

Whether kneeling is a meaningless gesture or not is irrelevant: some of the team feel strongly enough to want to do it, but there is also the fact that other teams are taking the knee. If we refuse, then it suggests that we are not willing to acknowledge that racism exists, and, given our recent history, we leave ourselves open to being adversely judged on the matter.

I think you are somewhat oversimplifying this, i don't think not kneeling suggests anything of the sort. Additionally i am not seeing the racial division you are talking about in that picture, you have some kneeling with a raised fist, some standing with a raised fist and some standing to attention, all in my view showing some sort of respect/acknowledgement to the point being made. The moment you make a gesture political is the moment it loses its meaning, and this is a political statement, not a personal one in my view, especially when the organisation you work for makes it mandatory.

Exactly this.

[sorCrer]

“Wah! I don’t want to do what my boss told me to do. Wah!”

“You’re suspended, Quentin”

“I can’t believe you did that to me! Wah! My sister is Black”


Dickhead.

Weren't you the one that said you wouldn't come back to South Africa even for a holiday?

[Chilli]

In a very simplistic way this kneeling situation is similar to how Rugby Teams approach the Haka.

As soon as you legislate it becomes an issue.

[JM2K6]

Yes, to the simpleminded.

Thanks for editing my post to remove its context.

I think you have made your opinion of my simplemindedness pretty obvious on here, but I am honestly not worried about it.

However, I don't think you need to be "simple minded" to look at that picture and see an image of a team split along racial lines.

Moreover, it's an aspect that other sides will probably use to get under the players' skin and exploit.

Whether kneeling is a meaningless gesture or not is irrelevant: some of the team feel strongly enough to want to do it, but there is also the fact that other teams are taking the knee. If we refuse, then it suggests that we are not willing to acknowledge that racism exists, and, given our recent history, we leave ourselves open to being adversely judged on the matter.

I think you are somewhat oversimplifying this, i don't think not kneeling suggests anything of the sort. Additionally i am not seeing the racial division you are talking about in that picture, you have some kneeling with a raised fist, some standing with a raised fist and some standing to attention, all in my view showing some sort of respect/acknowledgement to the point being made. The moment you make a gesture political is the moment it loses its meaning, and this is a political statement, not a personal one in my view, especially when the organisation you work for makes it mandatory.

What


The whole thing is a political statement, how can it not be??

[FalseBayFC]

Thanks for editing my post to remove its context.

I think you have made your opinion of my simplemindedness pretty obvious on here, but I am honestly not worried about it.

However, I don't think you need to be "simple minded" to look at that picture and see an image of a team split along racial lines.

Moreover, it's an aspect that other sides will probably use to get under the players' skin and exploit.

Whether kneeling is a meaningless gesture or not is irrelevant: some of the team feel strongly enough to want to do it, but there is also the fact that other teams are taking the knee. If we refuse, then it suggests that we are not willing to acknowledge that racism exists, and, given our recent history, we leave ourselves open to being adversely judged on the matter.

I think you are somewhat oversimplifying this, i don't think not kneeling suggests anything of the sort. Additionally i am not seeing the racial division you are talking about in that picture, you have some kneeling with a raised fist, some standing with a raised fist and some standing to attention, all in my view showing some sort of respect/acknowledgement to the point being made. The moment you make a gesture political is the moment it loses its meaning, and this is a political statement, not a personal one in my view, especially when the organisation you work for makes it mandatory.

Exactly this.

I thought the same thing. The fact that they all expressed it in a different way adds to the impression of it being more heartfelt imo. There seems to be a lobby that sees kneeling as the only and ultimate expression of opposing racism. To not kowtow to that demand marks you as suspect.

[Rinkals]

Yes, to the simpleminded.

Thanks for editing my post to remove its context.

I think you have made your opinion of my simplemindedness pretty obvious on here, but I am honestly not worried about it.

However, I don't think you need to be "simple minded" to look at that picture and see an image of a team split along racial lines.

Moreover, it's an aspect that other sides will probably use to get under the players' skin and exploit.

Whether kneeling is a meaningless gesture or not is irrelevant: some of the team feel strongly enough to want to do it, but there is also the fact that other teams are taking the knee. If we refuse, then it suggests that we are not willing to acknowledge that racism exists, and, given our recent history, we leave ourselves open to being adversely judged on the matter.

I think you are somewhat oversimplifying this, i don't think not kneeling suggests anything of the sort. Additionally i am not seeing the racial division you are talking about in that picture, you have some kneeling with a raised fist, some standing with a raised fist and some standing to attention, all in my view showing some sort of respect/acknowledgement to the point being made. The moment you make a gesture political is the moment it loses its meaning, and this is a political statement, not a personal one in my view, especially when the organisation you work for makes it mandatory.

Possibly.

As the article JKM alluded to above shows, cricket in South Africa has moved from being a predominantly white sport, to having a large black following. If you go to watch cricket at the Wanderers, for example, the vast majority of spectators are black and it's definitely good for the game to widen its fan base from the narrow white portion of the population. Particularly when so many of that population are apt to ply their trade for other countries.

And it's these fans who are likely to be turned off by the image of white boys not expressing solidarity with their black counterparts (obviously Rassie is the exception).

I might be on slightly more shaky ground with regard to how the issue is perceived in other countries. Maybe they don't still see us as unreformed racists.

CSA wanted any action on this matter to be uniform because the images like the one I linked to appear to show a side who are not committed to each other as a team.

You can argue that CSA should not have mandated kneeling, if they wanted uniformity, and simply have stipulated that the players stood together, but there are obviously players in the team who feel strongly about it and who don't want to weaken the message. Moreover, as the one side who have only recently allowed other races to play the game, it's a bit damning if other teams take the knee to condemn racism, but we decline to do so.

CSA should probably have discussed this with the players, rather than dictating on the issue on the morning of the match, but I feel that it's important to present as a team committed to each other, regardless of race.

[Calculon]

But I feel I have to explain myself a little bit.

For those who don't know, I come from a mixed race family.

My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black.

Well that blows those out of the water who were desperate to prove he was a racist.

This is an excellent article
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/t20- ... ee-1285641

Is that his mom and sister who look like "Bush pigs" according to David Warner?

[Torquemada 1420]

What


The whole thing is a political statement, how can it not be??

It is. Now. And that's part of the problem. Racism isn't foremost a political issue in a normal society, it's a social behavioural dysfunction. Whose politics are those taking the knee in Britain protesting against?

[Torquemada 1420]

There seems to be a lobby that sees kneeling as the only and ultimate expression of opposing racism.

I can tell you it's not. Hospitalising the ***ts is both far more effective and satisfying.

[OomStruisbaai]

Where is Ox when you need him?

[Chilli]

Where is Ox when you need him?

Is Ox ever really needed?

[sorCrer]

Where is Ox when you need him?

Is Ox ever really needed?

Also a doxxer

[Big Nipper]

Where is Ox when you need him?

Is Ox ever really needed?

Also a doxxer

I really do not think you grasp the concept of doxxing. And i am not on Linkedin

[Insane_Homer]

Australia chose to field

[handyman]

Here's hoping for a win for the good guys.

[Slick]

Here's hoping for a win for the good guys.

Wanting Australia to lose at cricket is surely the only thing that can unite all of NPR

[JM2K6]

What


The whole thing is a political statement, how can it not be??

It is. Now. And that's part of the problem. Racism isn't foremost a political issue in a normal society, it's a social behavioural dysfunction. Whose politics are those taking the knee in Britain protesting against?

The second someone engages in public protest, it's a political act. Someone being racist might not be political, but structural racism is. They're not protesting against a party, they're protesting against a societal norm - i.e. social politics.

[JM2K6]

Where is Ox when you need him?

Is Ox ever really needed?

Also a doxxer

This is a really serious accusation, when did anyone release your public information onto the internet?

[handyman]

Here's hoping for a win for the good guys.

Wanting Australia to lose at cricket is surely the only thing that can unite all of NPR

Never has a truer word been spoken.

[ScarfaceClaw]

Here's hoping for a win for the good guys.

Wanting Australia to lose at cricket is surely the only thing that can unite all of NPR

I would support Straya over India and England.

[Insane_Homer]

Asalanka off to a flier!

[ScarfaceClaw]

The Plucky Sri Lankans are having fun here.

[handyman]

Here's hoping for a win for the good guys.

Wanting Australia to lose at cricket is surely the only thing that can unite all of NPR

I would support Straya over India and England.

Out of those 3, I would support a draw.

[Torquemada 1420]

Ooooh. This is getting interesting. Lankans riding their luck a bit.

[JM2K6]

Maxwell is ticking already, great stuff.

[FalseBayFC]

Sub-continent fans are always good value.

[Torquemada 1420]

FFS, play straight to the leggie.

[FalseBayFC]

Zampa has a nice little mini-mullet.

[Torquemada 1420]

Bugger

[FalseBayFC]

Kerpow!