The Official English Rugby Thread

[Kawazaki]

Nah, fuck the whataboutery - Sarries are the number one team for that and dialed it up to eleven today. Billy in particular acted the cunt all day.

It’s not whataboutery in any way, both sides did it all day. You think Billy’s more of a cunt because he plays for Sarries

No? I think Billy is a cunt on the field because he acts like a cunt on the field. Plenty of Saracens players don't, but this celebrating in players faces is something that Saracens turned into an art form, with Itoje, Earl, Tompkins, George all players who do it at every opportunity.

But here's the thing: you might find it tiresome that Saracens get booed. I'm afraid that's tough shit: the people in charge made Saracens unpopular when they started doing cuntish things off the pitch, then players started acting the cunt on the field, all while huge amounts of financial doping meant they stole several titles and turned the league into a financial arms race. And never apologised or came clean. Asking why they get booed is like asking why people don't like Boris Johnson, you have to be willfully blind or ignorant to not understand it.

As a Saracens fan you bear no responsibility for what your team did any more than Quins fans did for Bloodgate, but Quins and their fans got it in the neck for years after that.

This is hilarious, the full Quine!

[SaintK]

Eddie Jones on BT Sport Rugby Tonight taking questions from Joe Public
Got yours in?

I did actually!

[JM2K6]

It’s not whataboutery in any way, both sides did it all day. You think Billy’s more of a cunt because he plays for Sarries

No? I think Billy is a cunt on the field because he acts like a cunt on the field. Plenty of Saracens players don't, but this celebrating in players faces is something that Saracens turned into an art form, with Itoje, Earl, Tompkins, George all players who do it at every opportunity.

But here's the thing: you might find it tiresome that Saracens get booed. I'm afraid that's tough shit: the people in charge made Saracens unpopular when they started doing cuntish things off the pitch, then players started acting the cunt on the field, all while huge amounts of financial doping meant they stole several titles and turned the league into a financial arms race. And never apologised or came clean. Asking why they get booed is like asking why people don't like Boris Johnson, you have to be willfully blind or ignorant to not understand it.

As a Saracens fan you bear no responsibility for what your team did any more than Quins fans did for Bloodgate, but Quins and their fans got it in the neck for years after that.

This is hilarious, the full Quine!

It's a Saracens fan whining about their team being booed, you muppet. A massive whinge would be like the multi day meltdown you had on here after Saracens lost to tigers.

[Kawazaki]

No? I think Billy is a cunt on the field because he acts like a cunt on the field. Plenty of Saracens players don't, but this celebrating in players faces is something that Saracens turned into an art form, with Itoje, Earl, Tompkins, George all players who do it at every opportunity.

But here's the thing: you might find it tiresome that Saracens get booed. I'm afraid that's tough shit: the people in charge made Saracens unpopular when they started doing cuntish things off the pitch, then players started acting the cunt on the field, all while huge amounts of financial doping meant they stole several titles and turned the league into a financial arms race. And never apologised or came clean. Asking why they get booed is like asking why people don't like Boris Johnson, you have to be willfully blind or ignorant to not understand it.

As a Saracens fan you bear no responsibility for what your team did any more than Quins fans did for Bloodgate, but Quins and their fans got it in the neck for years after that.

This is hilarious, the full Quine!

It's a Saracens fan whining about their team being booed, you muppet. A massive whinge would be like the multi day meltdown you had on here after Saracens lost to tigers.

Nah, a full three paragraph Quinge ticking all the Saracens bingo boxes is a belter. You're the whiner Top Trump by some distance. Very very funny.

[JM2K6]

"Haha, you summarised why everyone hates Saracens in response to a Saracens fan wondering why their team is unpopular, roflmao"

[Kawazaki]

"Haha, you summarised why everyone hates Saracens in response to a Saracens fan wondering why their team is unpopular, roflmao"

He speaks for everyone too. This is Qubris!

[Oxbow]

Louis Lynagh and Alex Mitchell called up to the England squad, Randall out injured.

[Kawazaki]

Dan Robson must have defiled Jones's dog.

[JM2K6]

Robson is injured

[Brazil]

Louis Lynagh and Alex Mitchell called up to the England squad, Randall out injured.

Feel very sorry for Randall, suspec thes another one that'll never get the chance to state his case.

[Paddington Bear]

I wasn’t asking why Sarries aren’t popular, I’m well aware and have no interest in going over old ground there. What I was saying was I didn’t get why there was a cascade of boos at the final whistle, there was nothing controversial at the end.

[Prembore]

I wasn’t asking why Sarries aren’t popular, I’m well aware and have no interest in going over old ground there. What I was saying was I didn’t get why there was a cascade of boos at the final whistle, there was nothing controversial at the end.

They were probably boiing because they'd just lost to team that had been publicly humiliated for its financial cheating and which is probably still benefiting from said cheating. It's not nice for Saracens supporters but their club is a stain on the league.

Oh and jm is right about players gloating, Sarries make themselves even more unlikeable doing it and there's absolutely no need

[Kawazaki]

Jones is clearly very very uncomfortable with this line of questioning. I don't believe for a second that he hasn't read the article either.

Looks guiltier that a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo.

[Kawazaki]

I wasn’t asking why Sarries aren’t popular, I’m well aware and have no interest in going over old ground there. What I was saying was I didn’t get why there was a cascade of boos at the final whistle, there was nothing controversial at the end.

They were probably boiing because they'd just lost to team that had been publicly humiliated for its financial cheating and which is probably still benefiting from said cheating. It's not nice for Saracens supporters but their club is a stain on the league.

Oh and jm is right about players gloating, Sarries make themselves even more unlikeable doing it and there's absolutely no need

Without Saracens the quality of the Premiership is very low. They raise the standards for everyone. They also have an academy that puts other clubs to shame.

And Saracens fans who pre-date the Wray years just have to laugh at Harlequins when they complain about any other club breaking rules. They were the most bent club in England in the amateur era. Bar none.

[Prembore]

That's pretty risible. The quality of the rugby is actually irrelevant, it will find its level - the league lives or dies by how competitive it is and one team winning because they've cheated a mechanism specifically created to ensure that competitiveness makes a mockery of the competition, even if (and I suspect it's arse gravy anyway) they do improve everyone's standards. And yes, I accept Sarries have some great structures in place, which makes it all the grubbier that they still felt they had to game the system.

I get that you will defend and excuse the conduct of the team you support with the same vigour with which you pursue punishment for Rassie Erasmus' disgraceful behaviour during the Lions tour, but I'm afraid you'll just have to live with premiership fans dislike of Sarries for the foreseeable. I'm sure you'll be able to handle it

[Kawazaki]

That's pretty risible. The quality of the rugby is actually irrelevant, it will find its level - the league lives or dies by how competitive it is and one team winning because they've cheated a mechanism specifically created to ensure that competitiveness makes a mockery of the competition, even if (and I suspect it's arse gravy anyway) they do improve everyone's standards. And yes, I accept Sarries have some great structures in place, which makes it all the grubbier that they still felt they had to game the system.

I get that you will defend and excuse the conduct of the team you support with the same vigour with which you pursue punishment for Rassie Erasmus' disgraceful behaviour during the Lions tour, but I'm afraid you'll just have to live with premiership fans dislike of Sarries for the foreseeable. I'm sure you'll be able to handle it

It's only really Harlequins that has any enmity. And they don't like Saracens because they can't bribe their players to leave Bramley Road and play for Quins instead anymore.

[Deveron Boy]

That's pretty risible. The quality of the rugby is actually irrelevant, it will find its level - the league lives or dies by how competitive it is and one team winning because they've cheated a mechanism specifically created to ensure that competitiveness makes a mockery of the competition, even if (and I suspect it's arse gravy anyway) they do improve everyone's standards. And yes, I accept Sarries have some great structures in place, which makes it all the grubbier that they still felt they had to game the system.

I get that you will defend and excuse the conduct of the team you support with the same vigour with which you pursue punishment for Rassie Erasmus' disgraceful behaviour during the Lions tour, but I'm afraid you'll just have to live with premiership fans dislike of Sarries for the foreseeable. I'm sure you'll be able to handle it

It's only really Harlequins that has any enmity. And they don't like Saracens because they can't bribe their players to leave Bramley Road and play for Quins instead anymore.

Nah - I can assure you that majority of Bristol fans I know think they are a shower of pricks as well

[Kawazaki]

That's pretty risible. The quality of the rugby is actually irrelevant, it will find its level - the league lives or dies by how competitive it is and one team winning because they've cheated a mechanism specifically created to ensure that competitiveness makes a mockery of the competition, even if (and I suspect it's arse gravy anyway) they do improve everyone's standards. And yes, I accept Sarries have some great structures in place, which makes it all the grubbier that they still felt they had to game the system.

I get that you will defend and excuse the conduct of the team you support with the same vigour with which you pursue punishment for Rassie Erasmus' disgraceful behaviour during the Lions tour, but I'm afraid you'll just have to live with premiership fans dislike of Sarries for the foreseeable. I'm sure you'll be able to handle it

It's only really Harlequins that has any enmity. And they don't like Saracens because they can't bribe their players to leave Bramley Road and play for Quins instead anymore.

Nah - I can assure you that majority of Bristol fans I know think they are a shower of pricks as well

Ironic given that's how many fans now view Bristol since they got the richest owner. Certain people hate success. They'll post-rationalise and come up with just about any excuse to explain away why the winner wins instead of their team.

p.s not very nice thoughts after the Saracens academy provided two of your best players last season.

[Deveron Boy]

It's only really Harlequins that has any enmity. And they don't like Saracens because they can't bribe their players to leave Bramley Road and play for Quins instead anymore.

Nah - I can assure you that majority of Bristol fans I know think they are a shower of pricks as well

Ironic given that's how many fans now view Bristol since they got the richest owner. Certain people hate success. They'll post-rationalise and come up with just about any excuse to explain away why the winner wins instead of their team.

p.s not very nice thoughts after the Saracens academy provided two of your best players last season.
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Agree with comment re Mailins and Earl great players.

What’s Landsdown’s wealth got to do with it? Providing they have remained within salary cap its irrelevant? As opposed to systemic cheating over many years and refusal to properly disclose all info to investigation etc etc - and the fucking whooping and hollering…

[Happyhooker]

Just watching the quins game. That's a late barge from koch on Allen. Both his elbows went into the back of a player who had their back turned. Yellow at best

And I fucking hate quins

[JM2K6]

The idea that Quins fans a) are the only ones that hate the cheats and b) only do so because of some nonsense from over a quarter of a century ago is right up there with the "caricatures of native Americans are good because otherwise their culture would be forgotten" reasoning from one of the most bizarre people to have posted on either rugby forum, even if you only narrow down to the people who've been repeatedly banned from either forum. Just so, so strange.

[Kawazaki]

The idea that Quins fans a) are the only ones that hate the cheats and b) only do so because of some nonsense from over a quarter of a century ago is right up there with the "caricatures of native Americans are good because otherwise their culture would be forgotten" reasoning from one of the most bizarre people to have posted on either rugby forum, even if you only narrow down to the people who've been repeatedly banned from either forum. Just so, so strange.

You can add that you don't do nuance very well either.

[assfly]

Well this thread got spicy

Fair play to Saracens. Quins allowing them to score so quickly in the second half allowed them to get their tails up. Ben Earls made a big difference when he came on.

The Koch shove was pretty shitty, we struggled after Tommy Allan went off.

[Kawazaki]

Well this thread got spicy

Fair play to Saracens. Quins allowing them to score so quickly in the second half allowed them to get their tails up. Ben Earls made a big difference when he came on.

The Koch shove was pretty shitty, we struggled after Tommy Allan went off.

There was nothing between the two sides really. Quins better on turnover ball and broken field play, Saracens better at the set-piece and territorial game. Saracens shaded it just at the breakdown as well. Leicester are a worthy side to join them as the best trio in the league. The Quins Saffas are superb players, no idea how they're not getting capped.

[SaintK]

Well this thread got spicy

Fair play to Saracens. Quins allowing them to score so quickly in the second half allowed them to get their tails up. Ben Earls made a big difference when he came on.

The Koch shove was pretty shitty, we struggled after Tommy Allan went off.

I saw the Koch incident but not sure how it caused a head injury. Did his head hit the ground when he fell?

[Kawazaki]

Well this thread got spicy

Fair play to Saracens. Quins allowing them to score so quickly in the second half allowed them to get their tails up. Ben Earls made a big difference when he came on.

The Koch shove was pretty shitty, we struggled after Tommy Allan went off.

I saw the Koch incident but not sure how it caused a head injury. Did his head hit the ground when he fell?

No. He got concussed making a tackle.

[JM2K6]

Well this thread got spicy

Fair play to Saracens. Quins allowing them to score so quickly in the second half allowed them to get their tails up. Ben Earls made a big difference when he came on.

The Koch shove was pretty shitty, we struggled after Tommy Allan went off.

I saw the Koch incident but not sure how it caused a head injury. Did his head hit the ground when he fell?

Whiplash. You don't need head contact to get a brain injury if someone smashes you in the back.

[SaintK]

Well this thread got spicy

Fair play to Saracens. Quins allowing them to score so quickly in the second half allowed them to get their tails up. Ben Earls made a big difference when he came on.

The Koch shove was pretty shitty, we struggled after Tommy Allan went off.

I saw the Koch incident but not sure how it caused a head injury. Did his head hit the ground when he fell?

Whiplash. You don't need head contact to get a brain injury if someone smashes you in the back.

Ahh, that figures then

[Paddington Bear]

Well this thread got spicy

Fair play to Saracens. Quins allowing them to score so quickly in the second half allowed them to get their tails up. Ben Earls made a big difference when he came on.

The Koch shove was pretty shitty, we struggled after Tommy Allan went off.

Thought it was a good game between what I'd argue are the two best teams in the country.

[assfly]

Thought it was a good game between what I'd argue are the two best teams in the country.

Yes I agree, despite the result. Had a bit of everything.

[Kawazaki]

I saw the Koch incident but not sure how it caused a head injury. Did his head hit the ground when he fell?

Whiplash. You don't need head contact to get a brain injury if someone smashes you in the back.

Ahh, that figures then

Allen went off after making a tackle about 20 minutes after Koch ran into him.

[JM2K6]

Allen was blinking and shaking his head a long time before then, and was clearly pretty badly hurt by the cheap shot given how long he stayed down and how groggy he looked. But hey, you do you.

edit: Actually, having just gone and found the match replay, it's nothing to do with a tackle on Koch. There's a long passage of play where Saracens have the ball and he's out on the wing, then he comes off looking a little wobbly having not been touched. Given he made one tackle in his time on the pitch it's not a surprise. Not sure why I bothered taking what you say as having any bearing on reality.

[Kawazaki]

Here's the incident. Main things to note are that it is only marginally late and not especially egregious either. A penalty but nothing more.

More noteworthy is the commentary that accompanied this where they pointed out that Allen had a concussion problem against Bristol two weeks earlier. Questions to answer for the Harlequins medical team selecting a player who was still suffering headaches perhaps? Their medical employees have got previous as we all know.

[Kawazaki]

...it's nothing to do with a tackle on Koch.

Yes I know. I never said he had tackled Koch.

I suspect he shouldn't have even started the match.

[JM2K6]

...it's nothing to do with a tackle on Koch.

Yes I know. I never said he had tackled Koch.

I suspect he shouldn't have even started the match.

My apologies, I did misread that. However, he still didn't go off after making a tackle. He went off several minutes after any physical contact whatsoever. You just threw the "after making a tackle" thing out there because you don't really give a shit about whether it's true or not, you just want to do your usual misinformation and misdirection schtick.

I suspect Koch shouldn't have barged him in the back with his shoulder and elbow, clearly injuring him.

[Kawazaki]

It wasn't a huge impact. The more you watch it, the less bad it looks. It's definitely a penalty but it's really nothing dangerous. Given Allen's failed HIA previously, I suspect he wasn't right before kickoff.


p.s Allen did make another tackle. It was on Alex Goode.

[JM2K6]

Of course you do.

[Kawazaki]

Thought it was a good game between what I'd argue are the two best teams in the country.

Including the England national team.

[SaintK]

Billy V out for a month

Vunipola underwent a scan after leaving the field in the final minutes of the 29-22 victory over the champions, with Saracens announcing a “positive” update on Tuesday morning.
“He suffered a minor ligament injury, however it is expected that he will return to action in late November,” read a statement from the club.
The injury would also rule Vunipola out of a late recall to the England squad for the Autumn Nations series, which starts at Twickenham against Tonga – for whom his father Feʻao appeared 34 times – on Saturday.

[sockwithaticket]

Its that time of year where the English rugby press redundantly point out that the RFU is richer than whichever Pacific Island nation we play.

The Telegraph's headline pits the amount an England player could earn across all three matches, including a bonus for 3 wins, against the Tongan union's match fee for their players.

£70,000 vs. £500

Apparently the RFU are planning on making a goodwill gesture to Tonga and a development partnership.

I don't remember hearing anything about the disparity of fees in the Scotland - Tonga game.


I'm never sure what the point of these articles is. Tonga's a nation of 100k, there's just no way their finances can compete with those of larger nations and if it's anyone's job to subsidise them, is it not World Rugby?