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convoluted wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:22 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:32 pm I do so enjoy your posts.

Just to be clear, are we saying that the election was rigged and the Capitol business was planned and executed by the Dems?
Absolutely we are, and I've said so from each of their beginnings.
And 'we' suggests that you have finally seen the light??
I wouldn’t necessarily read that into it.

I think you’re just a troll, and quite an entertaining one to be fair, but the scary thing is that there are actually people out there like this
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... but ... but ... but ... the insurrectionists assassinated one of the Capitol police officers !!!!
Executed him by bashing his head in with a fire extinguisher, they did.

You know, that Capitol police officer who phoned a family member that night while in perfectly fine condition, only to later die of a stroke, as verified by the coroner.
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Slick wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:28 pm
convoluted wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:22 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:32 pm I do so enjoy your posts.

Just to be clear, are we saying that the election was rigged and the Capitol business was planned and executed by the Dems?
Absolutely we are, and I've said so from each of their beginnings.
And 'we' suggests that you have finally seen the light??
I wouldn’t necessarily read that into it.

I think you’re just a troll, and quite an entertaining one to be fair, but the scary thing is that there are actually people out there like this
Hmmm.
And all this time it's been me thinking that it's you lot who are the trolls, because surely nobody outside of the North Korean populace could be so easily led around by the nose.
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convoluted wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:35 pm ... but ... but ... but ... the insurrectionists assassinated one of the Capitol police officers !!!!
Executed him by bashing his head in with a fire extinguisher, they did.

You know, that Capitol police officer who phoned a family member that night while in perfectly fine condition, only to later die of a stroke, as verified by the coroner.
And given that the surveillance cameras captured every nook and cranny of the building during the STORMING, where is the bit of tape depicting that heinous act ????
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Slick wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:28 pm
convoluted wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:22 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:32 pm I do so enjoy your posts.

Just to be clear, are we saying that the election was rigged and the Capitol business was planned and executed by the Dems?
Absolutely we are, and I've said so from each of their beginnings.
And 'we' suggests that you have finally seen the light??
I wouldn’t necessarily read that into it.

I think you’re just a troll, and quite an entertaining one to be fair, but the scary thing is that there are actually people out there like this
I suspect that the reason you think he's trolling and doesn't actually believe the tripe he's posting is because you don't believe anybody could be that thick.

I'm sorry to disillusion you.
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Deluded.. :crazy:
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Zinggggg.. :clap:
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I had no idea this thread had become so entertaining. I’ll be sure to pop in more often. 👍
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It's been very quiet of late, despite the revelations concerning John Eastman's memo outlining how Pence could use GOP votes against certifying the Election to halt Biden's inauguration.
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  • VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).
  • When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.
  • At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th Amendment -- is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.
  • Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.
  • One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one — a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate of electors, if they had not already done so.
  • The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position -- that these are non-justiciable political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.
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It might have worked.

At the very least, it would probably have resulted in protracted court cases for a few years and kept Biden out of the WH.

I don't see Trump being charged or indicted, though: he has far too much support.
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Oh yes, we have top quality politicians coming through.

This one is ready

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national ... hp&pc=U531
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Enzedder wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:35 am Oh yes, we have top quality politicians coming through.

This one is ready

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national ... hp&pc=U531
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That reminds me that I’ve thought that one solution to rising sea levels would be to lower the sea bed. And you could use the dredged material to build dykes so it doubles the effectiveness.
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What a prick!..

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Such a classy guy
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The shitgibbon doesn't get that Powell didn't have bone spurs. He went to Vietnam !

If you want a good laugh; go read his attempt to assert, "executive privilege", to block the release of documents to Jan 6th Committee

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... ege-jan-6/

I think he's pissed off, & ripped off, every decent lawyer in the Country, & now he has to use Eric to write his appeals ! :crazy:
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Bannon getting contempt proceedings from the Committee. He always looks one strenuous but unexpected burst of physical activity away from a fatal heart attack.
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TB63 wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:04 am What a prick!..

This is my biggest problem with his supporters. The man is so lacking in the basics of human decency so anybody supporting him is by default endorsing that behaviour. If it was a few isolated incidents, there would be some excuse but it's just a constant flood of prime w@nkerishness.
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No justice, indeed.
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He's fuckin' off his rocker.
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Just watched that 4 hours on the Capitol on BBC… brutal. Have to say I didn’t quite realise how far it got and how close it was to a bloodbath.

Trump is true human waste.
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It had to happen :facepalm:

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Trump's problem at the moment is that he can't declare his intention to run for the Presidency because that would limit the way that he can spend the money he's raised.

Mind you, that hasn't really bothered him before now.
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Conversely, the longer he doesn’t declare the more money he can mug off of his gullible MAGA crowd to do what he wants with.
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Saint wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:40 am
Rinkals wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:08 am
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I can see how you might have completed the canvas without realising what that entailed
I think it's more likely that my name was added to the voter's roll on the basis of my owning property.

The point is that I never applied to be on the voter's roll as I wasn't a citizen at the time and I didn't think I was eligible.

This undermines the suggestion that photo ID is necessary for registration to vote in the UK as I didn't have any. (My Zimbabwean passport was refused renewal due to me not being black).
Owning property doesn't automatically get you on the roll - in fact there's no method to automatically get on the roll. It's a pro-active thing that you have to complete a form. if a civil servant thinks that you should be on the roll, they can't add you - but they can instruct you to register.

I agree that you don't need any sort of ID to get on the roll. The annual canvas is literally enter the person's name, gender, a DOB on a form. From memory, the instructions are for a single member of the household to complete it for everyone living there who will be 18 or over by x date
I have to agree with Rinkals here. Maybe it has changed since but I was also able to vote in a UK general election without being a citizen and certainly without actively trying to get on the voter roll. I was automatically added and I also didn't know I was eligible to vote until just before I actually voted.
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The worst thing about Youngkin's win - is the pure joy trump will be experiencing right now.

Democrats have got to be the worst major political party in the world when it comes to power and knowing what to do with it.
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Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:55 am The worst thing about Youngkin's win - is the pure joy trump will be experiencing right now.

Democrats have got to be the worst major political party in the world when it comes to power and knowing what to do with it.
The Dems problem is to much of the party is to much blue Republicans. To anti-health care, despite it's widespread support even among republicans, to Corporate and enacting what the donor class wants and to metropolitan in it's perspective. The working classes feel abandoned by them; Clinton's trade agreements hollowed out many blue color industries, the language and perspectives are too elitist and dismissive of the working classes and the culture they are proud of. This is sad because the USA already has the Republicans to not help the working classes out.
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Doesn't help that the current President is literally an 'anybody but trump' President.

I guess we all get to watch the US disappear down the domestic destruction hole again in a few years. trump will run - get another term and then the trump dynasty will take over - junior, ivanka - all the spawns that crawled out of trumps hellmouth.

And the democrats will sit their rubbing their hands together wondering how all this happened.

Such a weird country.
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Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:43 am Doesn't help that the current President is literally an 'anybody but trump' President.

I guess we all get to watch the US disappear down the domestic destruction hole again in a few years. trump will run - get another term and then the trump dynasty will take over - junior, ivanka - all the spawns that crawled out of trumps hellmouth.

And the democrats will sit their rubbing their hands together wondering how all this happened.

Such a weird country.
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Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:55 am The worst thing about Youngkin's win - is the pure joy trump will be experiencing right now.

Democrats have got to be the worst major political party in the world when it comes to power and knowing what to do with it.
What perplexes me is that the Democrats had fiftyish senators, a couple of hundred congressmen and I'd guess twenty or thirty state governors and out of that nearly three hundred they ended up with Biden as their candidate. And if not Biden it would have been somebody else approaching senescence.
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Calculon wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:02 pm I have to agree with Rinkals here. Maybe it has changed since but I was also able to vote in a UK general election without being a citizen and certainly without actively trying to get on the voter roll. I was automatically added and I also didn't know I was eligible to vote until just before I actually voted.
It's been a while since I updated but you list your nationality when registering your residence with council.

A friend from SA living in UK with Austrian passport wasn't permitted to vote in UK general elections. Edit: to note she became eligible after she subsequently also listed SA nationality. Electoral roll chooses one that gives you right to vote.

If you're from the commonwealth and qualify (as far as I remember just living here) you are able to vote. Aussie and Kiwi mates from rugby club at the time were able to vote in 2016 referendum and they were here on holiday visas.
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TheNatalShark wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:28 am
Calculon wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:02 pm I have to agree with Rinkals here. Maybe it has changed since but I was also able to vote in a UK general election without being a citizen and certainly without actively trying to get on the voter roll. I was automatically added and I also didn't know I was eligible to vote until just before I actually voted.
It's been a while since I updated but you list your nationality when registering your residence with council.

A friend from SA living in UK with Austrian passport wasn't permitted to vote in UK general elections. Edit: to note she became eligible after she subsequently also listed SA nationality. Electoral roll chooses one that gives you right to vote.

If you're from the commonwealth and qualify (as far as I remember just living here) you are able to vote. Aussie and Kiwi mates from rugby club at the time were able to vote in 2016 referendum and they were here on holiday visas.
I was at university and assumed the university registered me to vote, the voting station was inside the university
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GogLais wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:46 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:55 am The worst thing about Youngkin's win - is the pure joy trump will be experiencing right now.

Democrats have got to be the worst major political party in the world when it comes to power and knowing what to do with it.
What perplexes me is that the Democrats had fiftyish senators, a couple of hundred congressmen and I'd guess twenty or thirty state governors and out of that nearly three hundred they ended up with Biden as their candidate. And if not Biden it would have been somebody else approaching senescence.
As far as they are concerned, Sanders and Warren are far left radicals so you need somebody fairly inobjectionable to appeal to the "middle" in US politics.
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Uncle fester wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:27 am
GogLais wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:46 pm
Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Nov 03, 2021 9:55 am The worst thing about Youngkin's win - is the pure joy trump will be experiencing right now.

Democrats have got to be the worst major political party in the world when it comes to power and knowing what to do with it.
What perplexes me is that the Democrats had fiftyish senators, a couple of hundred congressmen and I'd guess twenty or thirty state governors and out of that nearly three hundred they ended up with Biden as their candidate. And if not Biden it would have been somebody else approaching senescence.
As far as they are concerned, Sanders and Warren are far left radicals so you need somebody fairly inobjectionable to appeal to the "middle" in US politics.
Indeed. My sympathies are Democratic but like any left of centre party in the West you’re not going to win with what the majority regard as extreme policies. The Democrats have made their bed and have to lie in it, that’s their privilege but it’s not so good for women’s rights for example.
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House Democrats have passed a $1tn bill to rebuild the nation’s ageing infrastructure after months of delay, delivering Joe Biden a long-awaited legislative victory that he boasted would put the US “on a path to win the economic competition for the 21st century”.

Applause filled the chamber as a bipartisan group of lawmakers gave final passage to the measure late on Friday night, sending it to Biden’s desk. The vote was 228 to 206, with 13 Republicans supporting the bill and six leftwing Democrats opposing it.

Approval of the legislation fulfils one of the president’s central campaign promises to “build back better” in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic, as well as his vow to work across the aisle with Republicans, even as he pushes the rest of his agenda forward on a party-line basis.

In a second vote, held shortly after midnight, the House voted 221-213 to clear a procedural hurdle that paves the way for a final vote on a $1.75tn domestic policy and climate change bill, which they hope to pass before Thanksgiving.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... age-latest
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Idiot Americans.

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^ That's certainly not the most stupid thing a former POTUS has said. Not even close.

Things entering an interesting phase with the arrest and indictment of Bannon.
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Gumboot wrote: Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:15 am
House Democrats have passed a $1tn bill to rebuild the nation’s ageing infrastructure after months of delay, delivering Joe Biden a long-awaited legislative victory that he boasted would put the US “on a path to win the economic competition for the 21st century”.

Applause filled the chamber as a bipartisan group of lawmakers gave final passage to the measure late on Friday night, sending it to Biden’s desk. The vote was 228 to 206, with 13 Republicans supporting the bill and six leftwing Democrats opposing it.

Approval of the legislation fulfils one of the president’s central campaign promises to “build back better” in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic, as well as his vow to work across the aisle with Republicans, even as he pushes the rest of his agenda forward on a party-line basis.

In a second vote, held shortly after midnight, the House voted 221-213 to clear a procedural hurdle that paves the way for a final vote on a $1.75tn domestic policy and climate change bill, which they hope to pass before Thanksgiving.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... age-latest
The art of the deal. :thumbup:
Got to get those arseholes Manchin and Sinema on board. Boy, did she ever get burrowed comfortably into the system in record time.
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President Biden on Monday signed into law a sweeping $1.2 trillion infrastructure measure, notching an achievement that had long eluded his predecessor in the White House, Donald Trump.

Republicans and Democrats gathered at the White House on Monday as Biden signed the legislation, which is aimed at improving the country’s roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections.

Trump had repeatedly tried and failed to secure a bipartisan infrastructure deal.

“Here in Washington, we’ve heard countless speeches, promises and white papers from experts. But today, we’re finally getting this done,” Biden said.

Promises made, promises kept. :thumbup:
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At the risk of banging a repetitive drum, Nichols is a Trump-appointed judge.

Bannon appeared to be very combative, threatening to take down "the Biden regime".

I'd get popcorn, but the cynic in me tells me that this will all drag on until 2025, when Trump expects to be re-elected and Bannon will simply get another pardon.
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Rinkals wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:28 pm ^ That's certainly not the most stupid thing a former POTUS has said. Not even close.

Things entering an interesting phase with the arrest and indictment of Bannon.
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