So, coronavirus...

[Blackmac]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

There are quite a few other viruses going about at the moment according to my doc (I know there always is). I felt shite for 4-5 weeks and similar feeling of thinking I should have had a temp etc with one, then the first day I felt better had my bloody booster.

Statistically there will be a sizeable number of folk who get vaccine/booster whilst also incubating a non covid virus and who will then develop symptoms of the other virus and blame it on the vaccine/booster. In days gone by any number of blockheads believed they got the flu from their flu jab even though it is a 'dead' virus. I suspect many of those who have a bad reaction to their booster will probably have a virus of one sort or another.

That's me. Got my booster whilst still suffering the effects of a bad cold. Obviously lied through my teeth regarding the health questions. Was absolutely floored for 2 days. Sickest I have ever felt.

[fishfoodie]

There are quite a few other viruses going about at the moment according to my doc (I know there always is). I felt shite for 4-5 weeks and similar feeling of thinking I should have had a temp etc with one, then the first day I felt better had my bloody booster.

Statistically there will be a sizeable number of folk who get vaccine/booster whilst also incubating a non covid virus and who will then develop symptoms of the other virus and blame it on the vaccine/booster. In days gone by any number of blockheads believed they got the flu from their flu jab even though it is a 'dead' virus. I suspect many of those who have a bad reaction to their booster will probably have a virus of one sort or another.

I had a very bad reaction to my booster. Maybe I have ovarian cysts?

It's worse than that; your Hemorrhoids are evolving ! , you've got Omega variant Hemorrhoids

[Uncle fester]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

There are quite a few other viruses going about at the moment according to my doc (I know there always is). I felt shite for 4-5 weeks and similar feeling of thinking I should have had a temp etc with one, then the first day I felt better had my bloody booster.

Statistically there will be a sizeable number of folk who get vaccine/booster whilst also incubating a non covid virus and who will then develop symptoms of the other virus and blame it on the vaccine/booster. In days gone by any number of blockheads believed they got the flu from their flu jab even though it is a 'dead' virus. I suspect many of those who have a bad reaction to their booster will probably have a virus of one sort or another.

Exactly.

Are people who are unwell (as opposed to sick) better off waiting till they get better before they get the jab?

[Ymx]

Well I got covid at exactly the time of my booster. I didn’t have any bad reaction.

Hmmmm ..,. Should I be suspicious?? I’m not a conspiracy nut job, they wouldn’t inject covid? In fact, the 6G nano bots didn’t give me any hassle except a mildly sore arm !!

[Sandstorm]

Well I got covid at exactly the time of my booster. I didn’t have any bad reaction.

Hmmmm ..,. Should I be suspicious?? I’m not a conspiracy nut job, they wouldn’t inject covid? In fact, the 6G nano bots didn’t give me any hassle except a mildly sore arm !!

Nope, you’re one of the select group who got 6H chips………wait, ignore me!! I’ve said too much.

[Kawazaki]

The mental gymnastics that the anti-vax types go through to justify their position is truly bizarre, it really is. The thread on PR represents hours, days, weeks spent out of the lives of people like Bimbo and Mick going around and around, cut and pasting, linking to crackpot articles etc. It's all the more bizarre as Bimbo appears to be fully vaccinated and boosted yet advocates that others should not.

It's more a mental health thread than a Covid thread now.

[TheFrog]

The mental gymnastics that the anti-vax types go through to justify their position is truly bizarre, it really is. The thread on PR represents hours, days, weeks spent out of the lives of people like Bimbo and Mick going around and around, cut and pasting, linking to crackpot articles etc. It's all the more bizarre as Bimbo appears to be fully vaccinated and boosted yet advocates that others should not.

It's more a mental health thread than a Covid thread now.

I have always wondered which ones are just trolling for the pleasure of winding others up, and which ones are serious.

RodneyRegis, for example, is so outrageous in his posts that I can't help to believe he is just taking the piss.

Others like DAC or Mick are dead serious. I have mixed feelings about them. I am sure DAC is the typical decent chap to have a beer with so long as you steer away from talking foreigners, COVID or self-defense. Mick is some sort of UFO. I suspect he may actually suffer from mental illness and I pity him at times. His understanding is so limited, and he has that obsession for pedophilia that is unhealthy. Wonder if he is not what he is as a result of a lot of suffering.

Bimbo is a mystery. At times, he does make sense and make valid points. At others, he is just spouting crap and you wonder whether he does it on purpose or not.

That being said, there are some guys on the other side who are not much better in their behaviors and equally blind.

One guy I'd be interested to meet from that COVID thread is Puku. And we happen to live in the same area. Puku seem to have some genuine scientific background and had made efforts to engage these guys factually. But this was illusory.

[Uncle fester]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

Answer is a bit more simple. Antigen x 2 say I have the plague. Whole family were in my house xmas day.
Had been clear up to this morning.

[Slick]

How are people after their boosters?

Must people seem to get 24 hours of unwellness but I'm into my 4th day of it now.
Got the jab Wednesday. Thursday was the worst of it. Should really have gone to bed but couldn't get out of work and recovery seems to be very slow.

No temperature but feel like I should have one. Quite achy. Have done antigens daily and they are all clear. Reckon my system was heading for a crash anyway and the booster was an unhelpful kick in the wrong direction.

Answer is a bit more simple. Antigen x 2 say I have the plague. Whole family were in my house xmas day.
Had been clear up to this morning.

Oh no. Hope you feel better soon mate

[Uncle fester]

With both the booster and the actual thing at the same time, I should have anti-covid superpowers in a week and be able to go into ICU's with no PPE.

Not too worried for myself but bricking it for parents who came all the way to Dublin to spend a nice xmas day in a plague house.

[Sandstorm]

With both the booster and the actual thing at the same time, I should have anti-covid superpowers in a week and be able to go into ICU's with no PPE.

Not too worried for myself but bricking it for parents who came all the way to Dublin to spend a nice xmas day in a plague house.

You won’t be the only household who had someone test positive in the middle of the family convergence this Xmas. Omicron spreads like a bastard.

Hope everyone is ok.

[Slick]

Not sure what’s going on in Scotland from the report I read.

Highest number of positive cases since we started but the majority seem to be the old delta type. Bit surprised at that

[Sandstorm]

Not sure what’s going on in Scotland from the report I read.

Highest number of positive cases since we started but the majority seem to be the old delta type. Bit surprised at that

Interesting. All those double/triple jabbed people I know in England with “a blocked nose and cough - it must be Omicron” could have Delta instead.

Sux if you’re anti-vax.

[Ymx]

Hospitalisations in London still creeping up. Close to 400. ICU numbers haven’t increased.

But the problem will be with general beds, and no doubt staff isolations.

[fishfoodie]

Hospitalisations in London still creeping up. Close to 400. ICU numbers haven’t increased.

But the problem will be with general beds, and no doubt staff isolations.

70k attending a Rugby match in London tonight doesn't seem like a great idea

[salanya]

Maybe it's me and I'm getting more 'woke' over time...

... but I'm getting quite annoyed with the BBC (website). Big focus on the high level of infections in Scotland, and how the new regulations in Wales is confusing and damaging for pubs.

Yet you have to look for the 100k+ infections today, and any numbers over the weekend are ignored. Neither is there a mention of the deaths anymore, or the growing hospitalisations. Just a focus that there won't be any restrictions in England before NY.
Of course they mention the record number of footballers with Covid, as it affects their schedules, but no mention of the thousands of supporters in the stands, or the thousand of darts fans in Alexandra Palace.

Again, I don't want a full lockdown. But I do want good and balanced reporting: people need to be (able to be) fully informed to help them understand the situation and to make decisions.

Bah humbug.

[fishfoodie]

Maybe it's me and I'm getting more 'woke' over time...

... but I'm getting quite annoyed with the BBC (website). Big focus on the high level of infections in Scotland, and how the new regulations in Wales is confusing and damaging for pubs.

Yet you have to look for the 100k+ infections today, and any numbers over the weekend are ignored. Neither is there a mention of the deaths anymore, or the growing hospitalisations. Just a focus that there won't be any restrictions in England before NY.
Of course they mention the record number of footballers with Covid, as it affects their schedules, but no mention of the thousands of supporters in the stands, or the thousand of darts fans in Alexandra Palace.

Again, I don't want a full lockdown. But I do want good and balanced reporting: people need to be (able to be) fully informed to help them understand the situation and to make decisions.

Bah humbug.

Welcome to Covid Britain; where Steve Baker is PM, & the CRG are writing Health Policy.

Even if there were just common sense PH measures, like masks, & handwashing, & reducing numbers; that would do a good job of cutting the infections; but no; the Tory nut jobs prefer to pretend that people won't die.

[salanya]

Maybe it's me and I'm getting more 'woke' over time...

... but I'm getting quite annoyed with the BBC (website). Big focus on the high level of infections in Scotland, and how the new regulations in Wales is confusing and damaging for pubs.

Yet you have to look for the 100k+ infections today, and any numbers over the weekend are ignored. Neither is there a mention of the deaths anymore, or the growing hospitalisations. Just a focus that there won't be any restrictions in England before NY.
Of course they mention the record number of footballers with Covid, as it affects their schedules, but no mention of the thousands of supporters in the stands, or the thousand of darts fans in Alexandra Palace.

Again, I don't want a full lockdown. But I do want good and balanced reporting: people need to be (able to be) fully informed to help them understand the situation and to make decisions.

Bah humbug.

Welcome to Covid Britain; where Steve Baker is PM, & the CRG are writing Health Policy.

Even if there were just common sense PH measures, like masks, & handwashing, & reducing numbers; that would do a good job of cutting the infections; but no; the Tory nut jobs prefer to pretend that people won't die.

My point isn't even about politicians and the management of Covid - I just want things reported properly. I don't want scare-mongering, but also not burying of facts or highlighting only certain topics to suit an agenda.

I appreciate there is Covid-fatigue, it's been a long 20+ months. But 2 weeks ago Boris was in full panic mode with Omicron (to hide his own misdemeanors and problems). But the second Christmas came under threat, suddenly this 'scary threat' was downplayed, and now the Beeb is mainly reporting on the devolved nations. Whatever happened to the state of emergency raised for London?

I know the newspapers are sickeningly biased, and unpleasantly so. But the British Broadcasting Company should be better than that. It's really gone downhill over the last 2 years.

[Tichtheid]

We had our three back for Christmas from various educational establishments. The Middle One had their booster jab cancelled early last week, with a new appointment on the 7th of January. The rest of us had our boosters.

Middle One tested positive on a LFT this morning, now waiting in isolation for the results of a PCR, us boostered ones all tested negative on the LFTs.

Things will now get tricky as we've had more testing kits on order for over a week, no sign of them as yet.

[Tichtheid]

I know the newspapers are sickeningly biased, and unpleasantly so. But the British Broadcasting Company should be better than that. It's really gone downhill over the last 2 years.

The BBC has had political appointees in place for a good few years now, the managerial ones who are not in this category are under no illusion that the licence fee is under constant review, it's been that way since Cameron moved into No 10 and the people who have succeeded him don't have his restraint.


I remember Noam Chomsky writing that the UK had some of the most free and objective journalism and reporting in the world.

I doubt that he would write that now.

[Sandstorm]

We had our three back for Christmas from various educational establishments. The Middle One had their booster jab cancelled early last week, with a new appointment on the 7th of January. The rest of us had our boosters.

Middle One tested positive on a LFT this morning, now waiting in isolation for the results of a PCR, us boostered ones all tested negative on the LFTs.

Things will now get tricky as we've had more testing kits on order for over a week, no sign of them as yet.

3 months ago you’d all have to isolate for 10 days. However the rules have changed in England and you could all go clubbing together tomorrow night.

[robmatic]

I remember Noam Chomsky writing that the UK had some of the most free and objective journalism and reporting in the world.

I doubt that he would write that now.

I'm not disputing the decline in the BBC, but journalism worldwide is in a pretty terrible state so that statement is possibly still true.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Maybe it's me and I'm getting more 'woke' over time...

... but I'm getting quite annoyed with the BBC (website). Big focus on the high level of infections in Scotland, and how the new regulations in Wales is confusing and damaging for pubs.

Yet you have to look for the 100k+ infections today, and any numbers over the weekend are ignored. Neither is there a mention of the deaths anymore, or the growing hospitalisations. Just a focus that there won't be any restrictions in England before NY.
Of course they mention the record number of footballers with Covid, as it affects their schedules, but no mention of the thousands of supporters in the stands, or the thousand of darts fans in Alexandra Palace.

Again, I don't want a full lockdown. But I do want good and balanced reporting: people need to be (able to be) fully informed to help them understand the situation and to make decisions.

Bah humbug.

Welcome to Covid Britain; where Steve Baker is PM, & the CRG are writing Health Policy.

Even if there were just common sense PH measures, like masks, & handwashing, & reducing numbers; that would do a good job of cutting the infections; but no; the Tory nut jobs prefer to pretend that people won't die.

My point isn't even about politicians and the management of Covid - I just want things reported properly. I don't want scare-mongering, but also not burying of facts or highlighting only certain topics to suit an agenda.

I appreciate there is Covid-fatigue, it's been a long 20+ months. But 2 weeks ago Boris was in full panic mode with Omicron (to hide his own misdemeanors and problems). But the second Christmas came under threat, suddenly this 'scary threat' was downplayed, and now the Beeb is mainly reporting on the devolved nations. Whatever happened to the state of emergency raised for London?

I know the newspapers are sickeningly biased, and unpleasantly so. But the British Broadcasting Company should be better than that. It's really gone downhill over the last 2 years.

On the Today programme they're clearly discussing the rise in cases and the rise in cases across the UK nations, and have been doing so again this morning. And you don't get more BBC than their flagship news programme

[TheFrog]

Data from Lavoisière Hospital in Paris:

75% of the people in ICU with COVID are in their 50s, unvaccinated but no other commorbidities.

25% are 60 on average, vaccinated but with low immunity due to other chronical diseases.

100% are affected by the Delta variant.

No Omicron yet, though Omicron is affecting the staff to the extent that the head doctor is pleasing for the non symptomatic personnel to be allowed to work on COVID wards.

[petej]

Welcome to Covid Britain; where Steve Baker is PM, & the CRG are writing Health Policy.

Even if there were just common sense PH measures, like masks, & handwashing, & reducing numbers; that would do a good job of cutting the infections; but no; the Tory nut jobs prefer to pretend that people won't die.

My point isn't even about politicians and the management of Covid - I just want things reported properly. I don't want scare-mongering, but also not burying of facts or highlighting only certain topics to suit an agenda.

I appreciate there is Covid-fatigue, it's been a long 20+ months. But 2 weeks ago Boris was in full panic mode with Omicron (to hide his own misdemeanors and problems). But the second Christmas came under threat, suddenly this 'scary threat' was downplayed, and now the Beeb is mainly reporting on the devolved nations. Whatever happened to the state of emergency raised for London?

I know the newspapers are sickeningly biased, and unpleasantly so. But the British Broadcasting Company should be better than that. It's really gone downhill over the last 2 years.

On the Today programme they're clearly discussing the rise in cases and the rise in cases across the UK nations, and have been doing so again this morning. And you don't get more BBC than their flagship news programme

The second Christmas came under threat or more likely the point at which further information became available reducing the uncertainty and fear. Also everyone cancelled their events on their own so not really a need to add more restrictions ( I prefer it that way, probably because I'm wary of the authoritarian tendencies of this government). Beeb reporting has got better I would say as the pandemic has progressed. FT comfortably the best of newspapers.

[mos_eisely_]

Really interesting thread from the NHS Foundation chief exec. Basically whilst admissions are up, it seems that there's a lot of incidentals whereby patients admitted for other things are testing positive but asymptomatic. Separating them from others and staff shortages seem to be big issues piling on the pressure

https://twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/stat ... ox7wA&s=19

[GogLais]

Welcome to Covid Britain; where Steve Baker is PM, & the CRG are writing Health Policy.

Even if there were just common sense PH measures, like masks, & handwashing, & reducing numbers; that would do a good job of cutting the infections; but no; the Tory nut jobs prefer to pretend that people won't die.

My point isn't even about politicians and the management of Covid - I just want things reported properly. I don't want scare-mongering, but also not burying of facts or highlighting only certain topics to suit an agenda.

I appreciate there is Covid-fatigue, it's been a long 20+ months. But 2 weeks ago Boris was in full panic mode with Omicron (to hide his own misdemeanors and problems). But the second Christmas came under threat, suddenly this 'scary threat' was downplayed, and now the Beeb is mainly reporting on the devolved nations. Whatever happened to the state of emergency raised for London?

I know the newspapers are sickeningly biased, and unpleasantly so. But the British Broadcasting Company should be better than that. It's really gone downhill over the last 2 years.

On the Today programme they're clearly discussing the rise in cases and the rise in cases across the UK nations, and have been doing so again this morning. And you don't get more BBC than their flagship news programme

An organisation that gives free reign to the nutcases on BBC Have Your Say has lost a chunk of my support.

[Calculon]

Really interesting thread from the NHS Foundation chief exec. Basically whilst admissions are up, it seems that there's a lot of incidentals whereby patients admitted for other things are testing positive but asymptomatic. Separating them from others and staff shortages seem to be big issues piling on the pressure

https://twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/stat ... ox7wA&s=19

So basically the same as what happened and was reported in Gauteng hospitals 3 or 4 weeks ago.

[petej]

Really interesting thread from the NHS Foundation chief exec. Basically whilst admissions are up, it seems that there's a lot of incidentals whereby patients admitted for other things are testing positive but asymptomatic. Separating them from others and staff shortages seem to be big issues piling on the pressure

https://twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/stat ... ox7wA&s=19

So basically the same as what happened and was reported in Gauteng hospitals 3 or 4 weeks ago.

Average length of stay decreased to 3days as well.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... -scientist

[I like neeps]

All that's coming out about the severity of omicron/success of vaccines is great news!

[Ymx]

Indeed. And if London (low vax rate, and dense) can cope with it, so can the rest of the country.

[Jb1981]

<Touch wood> Omicron’s emergence coupled with the success of vaccinations does feel like the beginning of this really moving to something we just live with.

We’ve just heard that a recent arrival had a couple of days out and about at Auckland with Omicron and compared to August with Delta’s arrival and much lower vaccination rates, I think most people will be relatively relaxed.

[TheFrog]

180k yesterday in France

This is spreading like a wild fire.

In other news, CDC warns that antigen tests may not be sensitive to Omicron meaning the home self-test you use to protect your elders may return a false negative. When in doubt, seek a PCR.

[Blackmac]

180k yesterday in France

This is spreading like a wild fire.

In other news, CDC warns that antigen tests may not be sensitive to Omicron meaning the home self-test you use to protect your elders may return a false negative. When in doubt, seek a PCR.

Looks like the decision to ban the British has really paid off. Macron really is a grandstanding prick.

[Ymx]

He is playing on the French hatred of the English.

But 180k cases. Wow that jumped fast.

[petej]

He is playing on the French hatred of the English.

But 180k cases. Wow that jumped fast.

TBF he is just playing our fuckwits at their own game. Johnson has nothing beyond grandstanding and media bullshit. As France I think dropped the ban on SA before we did it is quite funny.

[Ymx]

Oh indeed, the SA thing was utterly pointless, and incredibly damaging to SA.

[Slick]

180k yesterday in France

This is spreading like a wild fire.

In other news, CDC warns that antigen tests may not be sensitive to Omicron meaning the home self-test you use to protect your elders may return a false negative. When in doubt, seek a PCR.

It’s is spreading so fast that I think I’m slowly changing my attitude slightly to the whole thing. Everyone is going to get this this unless you lock your door and don’t go out, and the data seems to be pointing to it being much less severe with all our jags in place, so maybe it is time to move the dial slightly.

I’m not going to be going out maskless and spending my time in packed pubs, but an invitation to a Hogmanay doo with 5 families, that I wouldn’t have considered last year, looks difficult to turn down this year.

[Sandstorm]

I’m not going to be going out maskless and spending my time in packed pubs, but an invitation to a Hogmanay doo with 5 families, that I wouldn’t have considered last year, looks difficult to turn down this year.

Everyone I know with Covid got it from their school-age kids! The pub sounds much safer (and quieter)

[Calculon]

Really interesting thread from the NHS Foundation chief exec. Basically whilst admissions are up, it seems that there's a lot of incidentals whereby patients admitted for other things are testing positive but asymptomatic. Separating them from others and staff shortages seem to be big issues piling on the pressure

https://twitter.com/ChrisCEOHopson/stat ... ox7wA&s=19

So basically the same as what happened and was reported in Gauteng hospitals 3 or 4 weeks ago.

Average length of stay decreased to 3days as well.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... -scientist

Iirc the average length of stay in Gauteng hospitals was also reduced to 3 days.