So, coronavirus...

[sockwithaticket]

I was never more thankful to not have children than when hearing colleagues talk about trying to juggle childcare and schooling with work during the lockdowns. My employers were really good about it tbf, allowing people to flex hours beyond the norm, not doing full days and even just allowing for a few months off. Admittedly, while there's still quite a lot of stuff ticking along at an exam board come what may, students not sitting proper exams did create a fair bit of slack to enable that.

[sefton]

I was never more thankful to not have children than when hearing colleagues talk about trying to juggle childcare and schooling with work during the lockdowns. My employers were really good about it tbf, allowing people to flex hours beyond the norm, not doing full days and even just allowing for a few months off. Admittedly, while there's still quite a lot of stuff ticking along at an exam board come what may, students not sitting proper exams did create a fair bit of slack to enable that.

Which board do you work for?

[sockwithaticket]

I was never more thankful to not have children than when hearing colleagues talk about trying to juggle childcare and schooling with work during the lockdowns. My employers were really good about it tbf, allowing people to flex hours beyond the norm, not doing full days and even just allowing for a few months off. Admittedly, while there's still quite a lot of stuff ticking along at an exam board come what may, students not sitting proper exams did create a fair bit of slack to enable that.

Which board do you work for?

AQA

[Paddington Bear]

My brother works in IT and he has been 100% wfh for 21 months with no immediate prospect of getting back to office. He started off fine as I'm sure most others did but the loneliness and isolation has slowly ground him down. Doesn't help that he has 2 young girls so there's very little escape from him.

I like wfh which I do occasionally but I'd probably have a very different view on it if I was doing it for 2 years straight through multiple lockdowns with very limited human interaction.

I think this is the main thing. Working from home for 2 years through a global pandemic, is going to be very different to wfh with full freedom to go and live a normal life outside of work hours.

I'm not prepared to say I don't like wfh until I've experienced it for a protracted period outside in regular circumstances (which surely must come back at some point?!).

My (now ex-)boss decided after our first lockdown that I was too unproductive when working from home to be allowed to do it again. We have a toddler and had no childcare, of course I was unproductive, I had a 2-year old bouncing off the walls.

I don't envy you. I work with a woman who refuses to do anything face to face anymore as she likes not having to pay for childcare. Fair enough but she tries to take calls with a toddler on her lap - complete waste of everyone's time including her own.

[sefton]

I was never more thankful to not have children than when hearing colleagues talk about trying to juggle childcare and schooling with work during the lockdowns. My employers were really good about it tbf, allowing people to flex hours beyond the norm, not doing full days and even just allowing for a few months off. Admittedly, while there's still quite a lot of stuff ticking along at an exam board come what may, students not sitting proper exams did create a fair bit of slack to enable that.

Which board do you work for?

AQA

I’m personally blaming you for the measly 26% rebate we received.

Anyway, what’s the feeling at AQA about the chances of the summer season going ahead?

[dpedin]

So..if we are at the peak or close to it was the government justified in not bringing in additional measures (on top of a WFH order and mask mandates) in England?

Peak of what?

Hard to tell about case numbers as the lack of testing capacity means we now don't know true case numbers. Hospitalisations are still increasing, another 450 today, and are now more than double they were on Boxing Day ie 12 days. More hospitals are now declaring emergency status. Routine and even urgent care is being cancelled or severely delayed due to staff shortages in NHS and army have now been called in to support NHS across the country. Covid patients over 70 years old in hospital are increasing and Javid today is warning of a rocky few weeks ahead. In some areas patients who call 999 are being told to get themselves into A&E via taxi if they can. Social care is crumbling and many care homes are now refusing to accept new clients which means delayed discharges are piling up in hospital. Trains, flights schools etc are all struggling with staff absences and reducing services. ONS say 1 in 15 in England have covid, 1 in 20 in Wales and Scotland and 1 in 25 in NI.

Not sure we are anywhere near the peak of this outbreak, perhaps London has seen cases slowing but even that is difficult to tell given testing capacity is fecked now although increases in hospitalisations have slowed. Ask the question again in 2-3 weeks.

[fishfoodie]

I think this is the main thing. Working from home for 2 years through a global pandemic, is going to be very different to wfh with full freedom to go and live a normal life outside of work hours.

I'm not prepared to say I don't like wfh until I've experienced it for a protracted period outside in regular circumstances (which surely must come back at some point?!).

My (now ex-)boss decided after our first lockdown that I was too unproductive when working from home to be allowed to do it again. We have a toddler and had no childcare, of course I was unproductive, I had a 2-year old bouncing off the walls.

I don't envy you. I work with a woman who refuses to do anything face to face anymore as she likes not having to pay for childcare. Fair enough but she tries to take calls with a toddler on her lap - complete waste of everyone's time including her own.

I think this is why HR Depts; pretty much across the board; have settled on a hybrid option; with people working a minimum, or 1-2 days a week in the office.

It forces people to arrange child care, after school care etc; & not just opt out entirely.

I think/hope, that once we get back to a steady state; individuals can agree with their management, what works from THEM; so that people who can be trusted to WFH 100%; can do so; & people who want to work from the office 100%; can equally do so.

[robmatic]

I think this is the main thing. Working from home for 2 years through a global pandemic, is going to be very different to wfh with full freedom to go and live a normal life outside of work hours.

I'm not prepared to say I don't like wfh until I've experienced it for a protracted period outside in regular circumstances (which surely must come back at some point?!).

My (now ex-)boss decided after our first lockdown that I was too unproductive when working from home to be allowed to do it again. We have a toddler and had no childcare, of course I was unproductive, I had a 2-year old bouncing off the walls.

I don't envy you. I work with a woman who refuses to do anything face to face anymore as she likes not having to pay for childcare. Fair enough but she tries to take calls with a toddler on her lap - complete waste of everyone's time including her own.

That's nuts. Even without calls/meetings you're not getting much focused work done with a toddler around.

[Margin__Walker]

Not paying for childcare and working whilst caring for toddler outside of a lockdown situation is really taking the piss.

My wife's got a similar issue with a guy that works for her (again primarily from home). He had twins six months ago and his wife is clearly struggling a bit. He's pretty obviously doing a lot of childcare during the day. She's sympathetic, but he needs to be finding a solution etc. Paid childcare, family or whatever.

[dpedin]

Not paying for childcare and working whilst caring for toddler outside of a lockdown situation is really taking the piss.

My wife's got a similar issue with a guy that works for her (again primarily from home). He had twins six months ago and his wife is clearly struggling a bit. He's pretty obviously doing a lot of childcare during the day. She's sympathetic, but he needs to be finding a solution etc. Paid childcare, family or whatever.

TBH it depends on the role and the relationship you have with your teams. When I was working my entire team worked for me from home during pandemic. They attended the required Teams meetings and got the work done on time, whether they did it during the day, evening or overnight I didn't really care. I did however, during the winter months, insist they all took time off between 12 and 2 and went out for a walk or exercise or similar when there was some daylight around. We also didn't schedule meetings if we could help it between 12 and 2 and we also made sure Teams meetings started 5 mins after the hour and finished 5 mins before the hour so folk at least got a break to make a tea/coffee, etc. My PA, who had a young kid being schooled at home during lock down, did most of her work in the evenings once her wee one was in bed. It meant she could have some quality time with her wee one at lunchtime during the day. TBH we didnt see any detrimental impact on quality or quantity of work with folk WFH. The most difficult bits were bringing new folk into the team and training them up.

[sockwithaticket]

Which board do you work for?

AQA

I’m personally blaming you for the measly 26% rebate we received.

Anyway, what’s the feeling at AQA about the chances of the summer season going ahead?

Ah. I feared that might be why you wanted to know.

I've become a bit removed from bread and butter ops, but the Autumn series went ahead andeverything seems to be proceeding towards regular series delivery with more conviction than last year. People were openly stating that all the '21 Summer series prep was probably just going through the motions, needing to be set up on the off chance there was a regular exam session. None of that at the moment.

[Margin__Walker]

Not paying for childcare and working whilst caring for toddler outside of a lockdown situation is really taking the piss.

My wife's got a similar issue with a guy that works for her (again primarily from home). He had twins six months ago and his wife is clearly struggling a bit. He's pretty obviously doing a lot of childcare during the day. She's sympathetic, but he needs to be finding a solution etc. Paid childcare, family or whatever.

TBH it depends on the role and the relationship you have with your teams. When I was working my entire team worked for me from home during pandemic. They attended the required Teams meetings and got the work done on time, whether they did it during the day, evening or overnight I didn't really care. I did however, during the winter months, insist they all took time off between 12 and 2 and went out for a walk or exercise or similar when there was some daylight around. We also didn't schedule meetings if we could help it between 12 and 2 and we also made sure Teams meetings started 5 mins after the hour and finished 5 mins before the hour so folk at least got a break to make a tea/coffee, etc. My PA, who had a young kid being schooled at home during lock down, did most of her work in the evenings once her wee one was in bed. It meant she could have some quality time with her wee one at lunchtime during the day. TBH we didnt see any detrimental impact on quality or quantity of work with folk WFH. The most difficult bits were bringing new folk into the team and training them up.

Sure, during the lockdowns things were obviously different. I was definitely taking time out during the day and catching up in evenings as there really wasn't any other solution. Everyone understood the challenges in place though and anyone with kids was in the same boat. Post lockdown though things (work days etc) are back into a normal cadence and running meetings literally holding the baby on a regular basis is more difficult to accommodate.

[Wrinkles]

So..if we are at the peak or close to it was the government justified in not bringing in additional measures (on top of a WFH order and mask mandates) in England?

Peak of what?

Hard to tell about case numbers as the lack of testing capacity means we now don't know true case numbers. Hospitalisations are still increasing, another 450 today, and are now more than double they were on Boxing Day ie 12 days. More hospitals are now declaring emergency status. Routine and even urgent care is being cancelled or severely delayed due to staff shortages in NHS and army have now been called in to support NHS across the country. Covid patients over 70 years old in hospital are increasing and Javid today is warning of a rocky few weeks ahead. In some areas patients who call 999 are being told to get themselves into A&E via taxi if they can. Social care is crumbling and many care homes are now refusing to accept new clients which means delayed discharges are piling up in hospital. Trains, flights schools etc are all struggling with staff absences and reducing services. ONS say 1 in 15 in England have covid, 1 in 20 in Wales and Scotland and 1 in 25 in NI.

Not sure we are anywhere near the peak of this outbreak, perhaps London has seen cases slowing but even that is difficult to tell given testing capacity is fecked now although increases in hospitalisations have slowed. Ask the question again in 2-3 weeks.

Lack of testing capacity? There’ve been 11.6 million tests done in the last week - Germany (with a bigger population) has only done 89 million in the last 2 years.

How many do you think we should be doing?

[dpedin]

So..if we are at the peak or close to it was the government justified in not bringing in additional measures (on top of a WFH order and mask mandates) in England?

Peak of what?

Hard to tell about case numbers as the lack of testing capacity means we now don't know true case numbers. Hospitalisations are still increasing, another 450 today, and are now more than double they were on Boxing Day ie 12 days. More hospitals are now declaring emergency status. Routine and even urgent care is being cancelled or severely delayed due to staff shortages in NHS and army have now been called in to support NHS across the country. Covid patients over 70 years old in hospital are increasing and Javid today is warning of a rocky few weeks ahead. In some areas patients who call 999 are being told to get themselves into A&E via taxi if they can. Social care is crumbling and many care homes are now refusing to accept new clients which means delayed discharges are piling up in hospital. Trains, flights schools etc are all struggling with staff absences and reducing services. ONS say 1 in 15 in England have covid, 1 in 20 in Wales and Scotland and 1 in 25 in NI.

Not sure we are anywhere near the peak of this outbreak, perhaps London has seen cases slowing but even that is difficult to tell given testing capacity is fecked now although increases in hospitalisations have slowed. Ask the question again in 2-3 weeks.

Lack of testing capacity? There’ve been 11.6 million tests done in the last week - Germany (with a bigger population) has only done 89 million in the last 2 years.

How many do you think we should be doing?

There have been recent shortages of both LFTs and access to PCR tests. This isn't a matter of comparing us to other countries, I agree we have done lots and lots of tests, it is more that we can't compare the number of cases identified today with the case numbers from a few weeks ago because there aren't enough tests available to ensure we are comparing like with like. There will therefore be a number of positive cases that are going unreported. The trend info for cases is therefore not reliable, better to look at other measures such as hospitalisation rates which will provide a more consistant and reliable measure of the trends over the last few weeks and months. Test positivity rates might be another measure, 21% of those tested in Scotland today. 7 day PCR positivity rate in England was 33% a week ago, don't have most recent info.

[Ymx]

London seems to have plateaued in terms of hospital admissions- though schools have just started again.

[sefton]

AQA

I’m personally blaming you for the measly 26% rebate we received.

Anyway, what’s the feeling at AQA about the chances of the summer season going ahead?

Ah. I feared that might be why you wanted to know.

I've become a bit removed from bread and butter ops, but the Autumn series went ahead andeverything seems to be proceeding towards regular series delivery with more conviction than last year. People were openly stating that all the '21 Summer series prep was probably just going through the motions, needing to be set up on the off chance there was a regular exam session. None of that at the moment.

That’s good to hear, really hoping the exams go ahead this year.

[tc27]

Cant see any obvious big dip in testing numbers:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing


Its obvious we have reached the peak IMO.

[dpedin]

Cant see any obvious big dip in testing numbers:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing


Its obvious we have reached the peak IMO.

There have been well reported problems with LFT kit supply and access to PCR testing around the country since Christmas - for example see article from NE from a few days ago https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk ... s-22630353.

Problems with PCR testing capacity has driven the Gov to change policy and if you are asymptomatic but positive with a LFT then you won't need to have a PCR test as of 11th. The supply issues with LFT kits is why the Gov is supplying them directly to the identified 100,000 key workers to ensure they can keep essential services going. How many folk who use a LFT only then report the result on line?

To be honest with 1 in 15 in England currently having covid - 3.3 million - as per latest ONS report - then mass PCR testing is now a waste of time and resource, there is not sufficient capacity to measure the number of new cases. We will continue to do PCR testing for key groups and in order to be able to do genomic testing and monitoring but using PCR tests as a measure of cases across England and the UK is now not feasible, hence the Gov taking a more targeted approach.

[sockwithaticket]

I’m personally blaming you for the measly 26% rebate we received.

Anyway, what’s the feeling at AQA about the chances of the summer season going ahead?

Ah. I feared that might be why you wanted to know.

I've become a bit removed from bread and butter ops, but the Autumn series went ahead andeverything seems to be proceeding towards regular series delivery with more conviction than last year. People were openly stating that all the '21 Summer series prep was probably just going through the motions, needing to be set up on the off chance there was a regular exam session. None of that at the moment.

That’s good to hear, really hoping the exams go ahead this year.

Everyone I know wants them to, I don't think anyone really felt the last couple of years was a particularly fair or accurate way to assess students; merely the least worst option if exams were taken off the table.

[Ymx]

Also London

ICU rates look stable



https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... ame=London




And cases holding for now




https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... ame=London

[Ymx]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/saji ... 75551.html

A lot of anti vax mob going to latch on to this guy.

Steve James, a consultant anaesthetist at King’s College Hospital in London who has worked in the ICU since early 2020 treating Covid patients, told Sajid Javid why he did not believe in vaccination.

Mr James told the PA news agency he did not believe Covid-19 was causing “very significant problems” for young people, adding that his patients in the ICU had been “extremely overweight” with multiple other co-morbidities.

…

He told Sajid Javid he was “not happy” about the new rules. He said: “I have not had a vaccination. I do not want to have a vaccination. The vaccines are reducing transmission only for about eight weeks for Delta, with Omicron it’s probably less.

“And for that, I would be dismissed if I don’t have a vaccine? The science isn’t strong enough.” He told the minister that a colleague held the same position.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dont ... -9kzfk8qs7

[Uncle fester]

A surprising number of people in healthcare and science fields are either anti-vax or "hesitant".
I work with a few of them . They are part of supply chain for medical oxygen to hospitals and one of them ended up using our product as a result of his stupidity.

[SaintK]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/saji ... 75551.html

A lot of anti vax mob going to latch on to this guy.

Steve James, a consultant anaesthetist at King’s College Hospital in London who has worked in the ICU since early 2020 treating Covid patients, told Sajid Javid why he did not believe in vaccination.

Mr James told the PA news agency he did not believe Covid-19 was causing “very significant problems” for young people, adding that his patients in the ICU had been “extremely overweight” with multiple other co-morbidities.

…

He told Sajid Javid he was “not happy” about the new rules. He said: “I have not had a vaccination. I do not want to have a vaccination. The vaccines are reducing transmission only for about eight weeks for Delta, with Omicron it’s probably less.

“And for that, I would be dismissed if I don’t have a vaccine? The science isn’t strong enough.” He told the minister that a colleague held the same position.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dont ... -9kzfk8qs7

Watched that clip on BBC news last night, Javid was virtually speechless and the other medical staff somewhat embarrassed!!!

[dpedin]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/saji ... 75551.html

A lot of anti vax mob going to latch on to this guy.

Steve James, a consultant anaesthetist at King’s College Hospital in London who has worked in the ICU since early 2020 treating Covid patients, told Sajid Javid why he did not believe in vaccination.

Mr James told the PA news agency he did not believe Covid-19 was causing “very significant problems” for young people, adding that his patients in the ICU had been “extremely overweight” with multiple other co-morbidities.

…

He told Sajid Javid he was “not happy” about the new rules. He said: “I have not had a vaccination. I do not want to have a vaccination. The vaccines are reducing transmission only for about eight weeks for Delta, with Omicron it’s probably less.

“And for that, I would be dismissed if I don’t have a vaccine? The science isn’t strong enough.” He told the minister that a colleague held the same position.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dont ... -9kzfk8qs7

Watched that clip on BBC news last night, Javid was virtually speechless and the other medical staff somewhat embarrassed!!!

I am not surprised.

I have worked with and have a lot of friends who are doctors, GPs, dentists and hospital consultants. I play golf with lots of them. Doctors are just normal people who had an aptitude for academic work and did well at school and Uni exams! As a result there is the same broad range of people in the profession including some, a few, who are real ignorant, rude numpties as there are in every other profession. Whilst extremely knowledgable about their own specialties they can be very uninformed or indeed ignorant about others. Most docs know the limits of their expertise and will say so and seek advice from others but unfortunately a few are like politicians, believe their own hype and think, because they come from a privileged background in many cases, they are superior beings. These guys are the General Melchetts from Blackadder! Like the doctor in the clip these are the most dangerous ones! On the other hand some of the docs I have met have been incredibly clever and have amazed me with the astonishing things they achieve in their field ... as are some of the engineers, accountants, teachers, etc I have had the pleasure I of working with/meeting.

[dpedin]

Get vaccinated/boosted!

[dpedin]

Cant see any obvious big dip in testing numbers:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing


Its obvious we have reached the peak IMO.

There have been well reported problems with LFT kit supply and access to PCR testing around the country since Christmas - for example see article from NE from a few days ago https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk ... s-22630353.

Problems with PCR testing capacity has driven the Gov to change policy and if you are asymptomatic but positive with a LFT then you won't need to have a PCR test as of 11th. The supply issues with LFT kits is why the Gov is supplying them directly to the identified 100,000 key workers to ensure they can keep essential services going. How many folk who use a LFT only then report the result on line?

To be honest with 1 in 15 in England currently having covid - 3.3 million - as per latest ONS report - then mass PCR testing is now a waste of time and resource, there is not sufficient capacity to measure the number of new cases. We will continue to do PCR testing for key groups and in order to be able to do genomic testing and monitoring but using PCR tests as a measure of cases across England and the UK is now not feasible, hence the Gov taking a more targeted approach.

See the attached re counting covid cases

https://fullfact.org/health/lateral-flo ... -counting/

[dpedin]

Get vaccinated/boosted!

Another graph showing benefits of vaccination, if your not vaccinated I am not sure omicron is all that mild!

[Blackmac]

Get vaccinated/boosted!

Jesus. How can people argue the effectiveness.

[SaintK]

Spoiler

Show

Get vaccinated/boosted!

Jesus. How can people argue the effectiveness.

The loons on PR will..........continually

[Ymx]

Is it just me or is there a different tone coming through from news now.

Admittedly the real agenda in this one is to swipe at the NHS govt mishandling over the years.

But seem to be less doomed click bait stories than of Dec time.

Or perhaps it’s because of my reading of certain stories and what then gets promoted for me to read.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59909860

Is this NHS crisis really worse than ones before?

The headlines were terrifying. Hospitals facing intolerable pressures as patients left dying in corridors, the BBC reported.
It got so bad that 68 leading A&E doctors wrote to the prime minister to spell out their concerns.

This is not now though. It was the winter of 2017-18 - the last bad flu season when more than 300 people a day were dying from that virus at one point.

And that was not even a one-off. In January 2016 hospitals were cancelling routine operations, telling patients to stay away from A&E if they could, and emergency treatment areas were being set up outside some units - just as they are now.

The truth is the past decade has been a story of lengthening waits and declining performance.
A&E waits are the best barometer of this. The proportion of patients waiting less than four hours - a key metric in measuring NHS effectiveness - has been gradually eroded.

I don’t recall that for some reason. 300 a day deaths?

[Ymx]

Omicron is ‘first ray of light’ in Covid pandemic, claims expert

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/omic ... 75618.html

[fishfoodie]

Is it just me or is there a different tone coming through from news now.

Admittedly the real agenda in this one is to swipe at the NHS govt mishandling over the years.

But seem to be less doomed click bait stories than of Dec time.

Or perhaps it’s because of my reading of certain stories and what then gets promoted for me to read.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59909860

Is this NHS crisis really worse than ones before?

The headlines were terrifying. Hospitals facing intolerable pressures as patients left dying in corridors, the BBC reported.
It got so bad that 68 leading A&E doctors wrote to the prime minister to spell out their concerns.

This is not now though. It was the winter of 2017-18 - the last bad flu season when more than 300 people a day were dying from that virus at one point.

And that was not even a one-off. In January 2016 hospitals were cancelling routine operations, telling patients to stay away from A&E if they could, and emergency treatment areas were being set up outside some units - just as they are now.

The truth is the past decade has been a story of lengthening waits and declining performance.
A&E waits are the best barometer of this. The proportion of patients waiting less than four hours - a key metric in measuring NHS effectiveness - has been gradually eroded.

I don’t recall that for some reason. 300 a day deaths?

Or ... are the Tories astro-turfing ?

do the Tories use the; "inefficiency", of the NHS; as a justification for ramping up the privatization ?

Everything can be spun as a problem with the NHS; & not the Tories.

100,000 vacancies; well the private sector is a much nicer place to work... etc, etc

[Ymx]

It’s definitely not written in favour of the Tories, it’s the beeb after all.

This should not come as a surprise, as NHS spending has been squeezed.

Between 2010 and 2019 the amount spent on health was well below that traditionally given since the birth of the NHS, making it difficult to keep up with the needs of the ageing population.

During that period, the Tories have been in power - albeit with the Lib Dems for the first five years.

[Biffer]

I don’t recall that for some reason. 300 a day deaths?

That's because it doesn't get mentioned.

A bad winter flu season has maybe 20,000 deaths. That's 65-70 days at 300/day

[dpedin]

I don’t recall that for some reason. 300 a day deaths?

That's because it doesn't get mentioned.

A bad winter flu season has maybe 20,000 deaths. That's 65-70 days at 300/day

We don't have 20,000 deaths due to flu. These are the numbers for deaths from flu and pneumonia - they are coded together in the death stats. Flu deaths are actually a lot smaller. Pneumonia can be caused by flu, lots will be but there are lots of other reasons why folk get pneumonia and die from it. See https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... 019and2020

[Ymx]

Another graph showing benefits of vaccination, if your not vaccinated I am not sure omicron is all that mild!

Why don’t we have this more readily published?

Covid deaths as split by vaccinated v unvaccinated

[Ymx]

Found this. Sounds like it’s been adjusted for age / per 100k

ASMR



The top number is a “tiny” bit higher than the others

[Biffer]

I don’t recall that for some reason. 300 a day deaths?

That's because it doesn't get mentioned.

A bad winter flu season has maybe 20,000 deaths. That's 65-70 days at 300/day

We don't have 20,000 deaths due to flu. These are the numbers for deaths from flu and pneumonia - they are coded together in the death stats. Flu deaths are actually a lot smaller. Pneumonia can be caused by flu, lots will be but there are lots of other reasons why folk get pneumonia and die from it. See https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... 019and2020

Yeah, but that’s where the three hundred deaths a day figure comes from, flu and pneumonia.

[TheFrog]

Found this. Sounds like it’s been adjusted for age / per 100k

ASMR



The top number is a “tiny” bit higher than the others

Suspect this doesn't include Omicron's impact and is a study dating back a few months.

Interesting to see the rise in numbers 21 dats after the second jab. Wonder if this is linked to the age of the population in that sample or not.

Once again, impossible to interpret data without the full backdrop.

[TheFrog]

I don’t recall that for some reason. 300 a day deaths?

That's because it doesn't get mentioned.

A bad winter flu season has maybe 20,000 deaths. That's 65-70 days at 300/day

We don't have 20,000 deaths due to flu. These are the numbers for deaths from flu and pneumonia - they are coded together in the death stats. Flu deaths are actually a lot smaller. Pneumonia can be caused by flu, lots will be but there are lots of other reasons why folk get pneumonia and die from it. See https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... 019and2020

Puku shared some relevant charts (from an NHS report) here:

https://forum.planetrugby.com/viewtopic ... tart=54720

Don't manage to get the pictures link on my phone and therefore can't post them directly. But one post shows the impact of COVID vs Flu.