So, coronavirus...

[Blackmac]

Not sure where you're getting 'no excess deaths' from on that graph. It shows 1500-2000 or so excess every week since the summer in the UK, and 5-10,000 some weeks in last winter's peak.

What I think eyeballing that chart is particularly post vaccines is could you convince most people that that it justifies shuttering up and possibly forever closing parts of the hospitability industry, stopping swathe of amateur sports activities and closing stadiums? All whilst suppressing economic activity and printing and creating billions in extra debt to finance.

I realize the Y axis is in thousands and very death is a tragedy in its own way but the context is we live in a nation of 65 million people...at some point a decision on the cost benefit of further restrictions has to be taken.

I think most people have made that decision already. I don't think I've spoken to anyone recently who hasn't been critical of the current situation in Scotland and is just moving on. My worry is if we don't open up things like hospitality and sporting events sharpish then folk are even going to start abandoning simple measures like mask wearing as they have had enough. Critical couple of weeks coming.

Yeah, I know for a fact that a couple of people I know are now ignoring Covid symptoms because they are so mild, not getting tested and just carrying on as normal. My own attitude is also getting towards the fuck it, just get it and crack on.

They can't keep telling us that vaccination is the way out and then walking back from that.

[mat the expat]

folk are even going to start abandoning simple measures like mask wearing as they have had enough. Critical couple of weeks coming.

You don't want that - 2 weeks of that prior to Xmas here in NSW has caused Omicron to hit all over the country.

The Feds and State government have lost control here

[Biffer]

that graph looks extra-ordinarily unlikely !

Is the UK the only Country on the planet not seeing excess deaths ?

Not sure where you're getting 'no excess deaths' from on that graph. It shows 1500-2000 or so excess every week since the summer in the UK, and 5-10,000 some weeks in last winter's peak.

What I think eyeballing that chart is particularly post vaccines is could you convince most people that that it justifies shuttering up and possibly forever closing parts of the hospitability industry, stopping swathe of amateur sports activities and closing stadiums? All whilst suppressing economic activity and printing and creating billions in extra debt to finance.

I realize the Y axis is in thousands and very death is a tragedy in its own way but the context is we live in a nation of 65 million people...at some point a decision on the cost benefit of further restrictions has to be taken.

I was just querying fishfoodie about his interpretation of the graph.

I think we might see those restrictions lifted this week. The sporting event ones most likely, some lightening of the hospitality ones.

The alternative question is do you muller the NHS in order to keep bars and restaurants open? This balance is incredibly difficult and I don't envy anyone having to make it, because it'll never be exactly right and will elicit howls regardless of which way you go - there are plenty of people in England who have been screaming at the government for not doing enough.

If we don't have a crowd for the Calcutta Cup (and god I hope we do), I'm pretty sure we'll have one for the France game - which would be an interesting symmetry given that was one of the last big events before the first lockdown.

Edit to say I'm a bit confused about the sporting event stuff. If the problem they're actually worried about with sporting events is public transport and big crowds in bars etc, then why not regulate for public transport and bars? Seems a bit tail wagging the dog.

[petej]

What I think eyeballing that chart is particularly post vaccines is could you convince most people that that it justifies shuttering up and possibly forever closing parts of the hospitability industry, stopping swathe of amateur sports activities and closing stadiums? All whilst suppressing economic activity and printing and creating billions in extra debt to finance.

I realize the Y axis is in thousands and very death is a tragedy in its own way but the context is we live in a nation of 65 million people...at some point a decision on the cost benefit of further restrictions has to be taken.

I think most people have made that decision already. I don't think I've spoken to anyone recently who hasn't been critical of the current situation in Scotland and is just moving on. My worry is if we don't open up things like hospitality and sporting events sharpish then folk are even going to start abandoning simple measures like mask wearing as they have had enough. Critical couple of weeks coming.

Yeah, I know for a fact that a couple of people I know are now ignoring Covid symptoms because they are so mild, not getting tested and just carrying on as normal. My own attitude is also getting towards the fuck it, just get it and crack on.

They can't keep telling us that vaccination is the way out and then walking back from that.

There are still those who want to pursue a global elimination strategy and accuse those like you of buying into government spin with that attitude.

[tabascoboy]

Well the sooner the government can lift all restrictions, the sooner they will start trumpeting about their "success" in handling the pandemic. Last thing they want is for it to drag on and their actual shortcomings, especially relating to pissing money away at friends and donors for "equipment" be fresh in the minds of everyone approaching the next election. They'll be hoping to buggery that no new strains with increased mortality rates spoil that plan.

[Lemoentjie]

folk are even going to start abandoning simple measures like mask wearing as they have had enough. Critical couple of weeks coming.

You don't want that - 2 weeks of that prior to Xmas here in NSW has caused Omicron to hit all over the country.

The Feds and State government have lost control here

FFP2 masks or cloth masks? Cloth masks do almost nothing to stop the spread of Covid.

The Denmark and Bangladesh RCTs can tell you this.

Would be interested to see a FFP2 RCT.

[tc27]

Well the sooner the government can lift all restrictions, the sooner they will start trumpeting about their "success" in handling the pandemic. Last thing they want is for it to drag on and their actual shortcomings, especially relating to pissing money away at friends and donors for "equipment" be fresh in the minds of everyone approaching the next election. They'll be hoping to buggery that no new strains with increased mortality rates spoil that plan.

Well this is true but I also think calling for further and prolonged bans on various social and economic activities just so you can criticize the government for not doing it is perverse but is the position of some critics (and I think has some bearing on decisions made in the devolved admins).

[petej]

Well the sooner the government can lift all restrictions, the sooner they will start trumpeting about their "success" in handling the pandemic. Last thing they want is for it to drag on and their actual shortcomings, especially relating to pissing money away at friends and donors for "equipment" be fresh in the minds of everyone approaching the next election. They'll be hoping to buggery that no new strains with increased mortality rates spoil that plan.

Well this is true but I also think calling for further and prolonged bans on various social and economic activities just so you can criticize the government for not doing it is perverse but is the position of some critics (and I think has some bearing on decisions made in the devolved admins).

I think there is a want to be doing something even if it isn't effective or have much impact now.

In defence of the devolved admins Johnson has frequently and often ended up doing the same but just at the last minute which is likely to be more inconvenient. For example, the post Christmas lockdown last year Wales and Scotland told people that schools would be closed with about a weeks warning while Johnson let them go back for a day then announced it the night before. Both leaders are also more inclined to be cautious than Johnson.

[Margin__Walker]

Dec/Jan last year (up to the school for a day fiasco) was the absolute low point for this Government. Complete shitshow, given the situation at the time and the lack of mitigation.

[tc27]

Agree last winter was an absolute disgrace and getting it largely right this year with vaccinations and only mild restrictions for the Omicron wave does not absolve them.

[dpedin]

It seems strange to me that the Gov are looking at reducing PH mitigations, reducing isolation time, etc at this point in the year. We are still in the middle of winter and we know that now to the end of March is when the NHS is at its busiest and normally we have most non covid related deaths in UK. Also it is when we have the worst weather - remember the 'Beast from the East' happened at the end of Feb and into March - forcing people to socialise indoors. UK excess deaths are still running at between 1,000 - 1,500 pre week over the pre pandemic 5 year average and have been since July last year, covid hospital admissions are up 43% in last 7 days and covid numbers in hospital across the UK are still increasing - they are currently 85% of the numbers from the 1st wave. The NHS is still under severe pressure coping with covid and staff absence due to infection/isolation and every part of the NHS - A&E, urgent care and routine care is very badly affected. Paediatric covid hospital admissions in u5s are increasing markedly at the moment. We know that Omicron is milder than Delta but it is not that much milder than previous variants and reinfections are higher. Whilst we have had a hugely successful vaccination programme which has prevented serious illness and ICU admissions for the vaccinated we still have 5.5m unvaccinated over 12s and 9.5m unvaccinated kids.

Surely the Gov messaging should be that we need to continue to try and manage infections and cases by the simple PH mitigations of mask wearing, testing, distancing, etc to try and stop the NHS being overwhelmed over next few weeks and to push even harder on the vaccinations and boosters to drive down the 15m unvaccinated even further and that means vaccinating the 5-12 year olds as they are in the US. It should really be about one big push up to Easter to try and build the 'shield of vaccination' as the Gov like to describe it. It just seems daft to me to now send out the wrong messaging when we are still in the middle of the storm and when we have come so far and got so close to the levels of vaccination we want and need.

As said above folk are hearing what they want to hear from the current Gov messaging 'omicron is mild', 'we need to move to covid being endemic', 'the NHS is coping', 'we should move to 5 days isolation', etc and have decided, wrongly, that the pandemic is over. Unfortunately I seem to remember we have been here before ... who remembers 'Eat out to help out' or 'Freedom Day'? My fear is that all this will lead to more cases, more hospitalisations, more pressure on the NHS over the next few weeks and months and perhaps even more restrictions. It all sounds like Boris and his ERG mates have just got bored with it all now and can't be bothered to finish the job properly.

[dpedin]

Not sure where you're getting 'no excess deaths' from on that graph. It shows 1500-2000 or so excess every week since the summer in the UK, and 5-10,000 some weeks in last winter's peak.

What I think eyeballing that chart is particularly post vaccines is could you convince most people that that it justifies shuttering up and possibly forever closing parts of the hospitability industry, stopping swathe of amateur sports activities and closing stadiums? All whilst suppressing economic activity and printing and creating billions in extra debt to finance.

I realize the Y axis is in thousands and very death is a tragedy in its own way but the context is we live in a nation of 65 million people...at some point a decision on the cost benefit of further restrictions has to be taken.

I was just querying fishfoodie about his interpretation of the graph.

I think we might see those restrictions lifted this week. The sporting event ones most likely, some lightening of the hospitality ones.

The alternative question is do you muller the NHS in order to keep bars and restaurants open? This balance is incredibly difficult and I don't envy anyone having to make it, because it'll never be exactly right and will elicit howls regardless of which way you go - there are plenty of people in England who have been screaming at the government for not doing enough.

If we don't have a crowd for the Calcutta Cup (and god I hope we do), I'm pretty sure we'll have one for the France game - which would be an interesting symmetry given that was one of the last big events before the first lockdown.

Edit to say I'm a bit confused about the sporting event stuff. If the problem they're actually worried about with sporting events is public transport and big crowds in bars etc, then why not regulate for public transport and bars? Seems a bit tail wagging the dog.

I agree about the sporting events - open air attendance for even big crowds is not apparently a big covid risk at all but the transport and bars, etc are. Regulating transport and bars etc would allow crowds in the events and that would seem to be a sensible option. I would have thought non mask wearing at an indoor snooker event is a much higher risk?

[Margin__Walker]

Partygate latest.

[robmatic]

Partygate latest.

Bring your own booze? How cheap is our Prime Minister!?

[fishfoodie]

It’s real from ons. Scroll down page for chart.

The excess are those just above the black marker.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... cember2021

I'll blame a weekend brain, & not the bottle of red

[petej]

Partygate latest.

Bring your own booze? How cheap is our Prime Minister!?

He is very financially irresponsible, has a young wife to keep, no10 is a dump and she has expensive tastes so he can't be expected to supply drink as well.

[Lemoentjie]

covid hospital admissions are up 43% in last 7 days

With covid or because of covid?

[dpedin]

covid hospital admissions are up 43% in last 7 days

With covid or because of covid?

Here is the UK Gov website link ... probably both. Evidence I have seen would suggest it is usually a 65:35 split. However assuming the measure used has been consistent throughout then it is the trend over the last few weeks that is worrying rather than the absolute number.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

[Biffer]

Partygate latest.

Bring your own booze? How cheap is our Prime Minister!?

He is very financially irresponsible, has a young wife to keep, no10 is a dump and she has expensive tastes so he can't be expected to supply drink as well.

Don’t forget the at least seven kids.

[Ymx]

covid hospital admissions are up 43% in last 7 days

With covid or because of covid?

Here is the UK Gov website link ... probably both. Evidence I have seen would suggest it is usually a 65:35 split. However assuming the measure used has been consistent throughout then it is the trend over the last few weeks that is worrying rather than the absolute number.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

It’s quite expected as it stretches out across the nation

If you switch the filter to London it is declining in admissions.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... ame=London

[Ymx]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... s-omicron/

From symptoms to transmission - why we must listen to South African scientists on omicron

It’s time to heed the experts who provided the earliest data on omicron and are astonished at the UK’s reaction
By
Gordon Rayner,
ASSOCIATE EDITOR
9 January 2022 • 5:00am
south africa

‘There are several things we don’t know about omicron,” a sombre Professor Sir Chris Whitty told the nation in the week before Christmas, “but all the things we do know are bad.”

His comment puzzled many people at the time, given that scientists in South Africa, where omicron was first identified, had reported that it appeared to be less severe than the then-dominant delta variant of Covid. Surely that was good news?

Three weeks on, Sir Chris’s determination to dismiss the encouraging data coming from South Africa seems even more baffling. Instead of the post-Christmas lockdown that came to be regarded almost as an inevitability, Covid rules are now being eased. The NHS did not collapse, and the number of patients requiring ventilation remains less than a quarter of the peak a year ago.

Legitimate questions are now being asked about why Britain was so dismissive of the evidence from South Africa, and whether Government scientific advisers are once again using fear as a method of control.

One of those who is doing the asking is Angelique Coetzee, chairman of the South African Medical Association and the first doctor to raise the alarm over a possible new variant, which turned out to be omicron.

Dr Coetzee was among those who reported that omicron caused “very, very mild” symptoms compared with delta, and she hypothesised that it “could potentially be of great help to us” by replacing the more dangerous delta variant and helping the population to reach herd immunity at minimal cost to life. She says she was “astonished” at the panicked response to it in the UK.

“I don’t understand why it’s happening,” she told the Telegraph from her home in Pretoria. “It doesn’t make any sense to me. The fear that has been spread in Britain – why is that being done?

“South Africa has a younger population, but we should have seen far more disease than you because of the vaccination picture. We only have 44 per cent of people double-jabbed, and we only started the boosters last week.”

In the UK, 83 per cent of people are double-jabbed, and 61 per cent have had a booster.

“ If you don’t know by now that the majority of people are going to have mild symptoms, then what other evidence are you waiting for?”

Not sure why I’m posting it, as there’s nothing new in it.

[Slick]

Partygate latest.

This could well be the one that gets him

[Margin__Walker]

Yeah, this could be a bridge too far for him, but you never know. The statement last month below is a corker when set against him attending a fucking garden party arranged by his office during lockdown

[fishfoodie]

Yeah, this could be a bridge too far for him, but you never know. The statement last month below is a corker when set against him attending a fucking garden party arranged by his office during lockdown

The timing is delightful. The MPs have had a couple of weeks back in their constituencies; getting it in both ears from the people they need voting for them in the next election; & they arrive back in London; to have another massive turd hit the fan; & splatter them all with shit.

Gove is playing a blinder with these leaks; he's a odious little creep; but; (with the help of the Bumblecunt), by destroying all the other credible candidates, he's moving up the list.

[petej]

Yeah, this could be a bridge too far for him, but you never know. The statement last month below is a corker when set against him attending a fucking garden party arranged by his office during lockdown

The timing is delightful. The MPs have had a couple of weeks back in their constituencies; getting it in both ears from the people they need voting for them in the next election; & they arrive back in London; to have another massive turd hit the fan; & splatter them all with shit.

Gove is playing a blinder with these leaks; he's a odious little creep; but; (with the help of the Bumblecunt), by destroying all the other credible candidates, he's moving up the list.

I wouldn't put it past Gove to perform a reverse ferret on parts of Brexit to gut another contender.

[fishfoodie]

I wouldn't put it past Gove to perform a reverse ferret on parts of Brexit to gut another contender.

He looked just as devastated as the other plum; the day after the referendum; he didn't believe that Leave would win either; but he also saw it as a means of advancing his career ambitions.

The reason why I think this is him; & not Rishi behind the leaks; is; I don't think Rishi has the network of spies; & allies; to manage such a well executed political assassination.

[mat the expat]

folk are even going to start abandoning simple measures like mask wearing as they have had enough. Critical couple of weeks coming.

You don't want that - 2 weeks of that prior to Xmas here in NSW has caused Omicron to hit all over the country.

The Feds and State government have lost control here

FFP2 masks or cloth masks? Cloth masks do almost nothing to stop the spread of Covid.

The Denmark and Bangladesh RCTs can tell you this.

Would be interested to see a FFP2 RCT.

All types

And yes they do, as our case numbers made clear.

[Rinkals]

folk are even going to start abandoning simple measures like mask wearing as they have had enough. Critical couple of weeks coming.

You don't want that - 2 weeks of that prior to Xmas here in NSW has caused Omicron to hit all over the country.

The Feds and State government have lost control here

Watching coverage of the Ashes, it did seem that spectators were cheek by jowl and maskless.

Are there any spikes commensurate?

[petej]

How many people on here are still following the guidelines? I have to say there is not a chance in hell I'm going to do another LFT's with any minor cold symptoms or before meeting people. Will not wear masks if others aren't regardless of rules. Noticed that lots are doing the same at the weekend.

Basically why the hell should I comply with anything coming out of our governments mouthpieces? There is less stench from what enters a sewage treatment facility then comes out of this governments orifices.

It strikes me that while Arthur labinjo-hughes was being slowly tortured to death and all the things in place were shutdown (schools) or blocked to protect him and extended family couldn't check due to covid restrictions our pm was having garden parties.

[sockwithaticket]

How many people on here are still following the guidelines? I have to say there is not a chance in hell I'm going to do another LFT's with any minor cold symptoms or before meeting people. Will not wear masks if others aren't regardless of rules. Noticed that lots are doing the same at the weekend.

Basically why the hell should I comply with anything coming out of our governments mouthpieces? There is less stench from what enters a sewage treatment facility then comes out of this governments orifices.

It strikes me that while Arthur labinjo-hughes was being slowly tortured to death and all the things in place were shutdown (schools) or blocked to protect him and extended family couldn't check due to covid restrictions our pm was having garden parties.

Because a lot of what SAGE and other advisors are saying is still good public health advice regardless of how fucked off we might be with the government for being rampant hypocrites and generally managing to confirm every stereotype going about sleazy politicians.

I will still wear masks wherever. Although I am leaning towards the amount of testing being excessive and haven't taken an LFT myself even with 2 covid positives in the house simply because I don't feel remotely ill and I'm not really going anywhere but short supermarket runs atm.

[Biffer]

How many people on here are still following the guidelines? I have to say there is not a chance in hell I'm going to do another LFT's with any minor cold symptoms or before meeting people. Will not wear masks if others aren't regardless of rules. Noticed that lots are doing the same at the weekend.

Basically why the hell should I comply with anything coming out of our governments mouthpieces? There is less stench from what enters a sewage treatment facility then comes out of this governments orifices.

It strikes me that while Arthur labinjo-hughes was being slowly tortured to death and all the things in place were shutdown (schools) or blocked to protect him and extended family couldn't check due to covid restrictions our pm was having garden parties.

The hypocrisy of Eton posh boys doesn't stop me wanting to protect my friends and family.

[tabascoboy]

Still wearing a mask where I'm required to, much easier than getting into a argument about it for the sake of 20-30 mins while shopping. Have never taken an LFT though, the reported symptoms of Omicron are things I have every winter so I'm not wasting them, especially when supply is dropping and where others might have a much higher priority to need them to deliver goods and services. Plus I have no-one else I need to protect

[Lobby]

How many people on here are still following the guidelines? I have to say there is not a chance in hell I'm going to do another LFT's with any minor cold symptoms or before meeting people. Will not wear masks if others aren't regardless of rules. Noticed that lots are doing the same at the weekend.

Basically why the hell should I comply with anything coming out of our governments mouthpieces? There is less stench from what enters a sewage treatment facility then comes out of this governments orifices.

It strikes me that while Arthur labinjo-hughes was being slowly tortured to death and all the things in place were shutdown (schools) or blocked to protect him and extended family couldn't check due to covid restrictions our pm was having garden parties.

Because a lot of what SAGE and other advisors are saying is still good public health advice regardless of how fucked off we might be with the government for being rampant hypocrites and generally managing to confirm every stereotype going about sleazy politicians.

I will still wear masks wherever. Although I am leaning towards the amount of testing being excessive and haven't taken an LFT myself even with 2 covid positives in the house simply because I don't feel remotely ill and I'm not really going anywhere but short supermarket runs atm.

This.

I follow the rules and wear a mask on public transport and when in shops etc. I went to a concert at the Barbican on Sunday, and everyone in the audience was wearing a mask (as required by the Barbican's current rules). I am also going to the Royal Opera House next week, and expect to wear a mask there as well.

My missus has advanced Alzheimer's and had to move to a nursing home towards the end of last year. Keeping to the rules means I can visit her as often as possible, and also means I am taking an LFT several times a week.

[GogLais]

How many people on here are still following the guidelines? I have to say there is not a chance in hell I'm going to do another LFT's with any minor cold symptoms or before meeting people. Will not wear masks if others aren't regardless of rules. Noticed that lots are doing the same at the weekend.

Basically why the hell should I comply with anything coming out of our governments mouthpieces? There is less stench from what enters a sewage treatment facility then comes out of this governments orifices.

It strikes me that while Arthur labinjo-hughes was being slowly tortured to death and all the things in place were shutdown (schools) or blocked to protect him and extended family couldn't check due to covid restrictions our pm was having garden parties.

The hypocrisy of Eton posh boys doesn't stop me wanting to protect my friends and family.

Well said. The logic of “somebody else did something bad or stupid so it’s ok for me to do so” escapes me. Perhaps I have to plead guilty to being sanctimonious, if that’s the right word.

[dpedin]

How many people on here are still following the guidelines? I have to say there is not a chance in hell I'm going to do another LFT's with any minor cold symptoms or before meeting people. Will not wear masks if others aren't regardless of rules. Noticed that lots are doing the same at the weekend.

Basically why the hell should I comply with anything coming out of our governments mouthpieces? There is less stench from what enters a sewage treatment facility then comes out of this governments orifices.

It strikes me that while Arthur labinjo-hughes was being slowly tortured to death and all the things in place were shutdown (schools) or blocked to protect him and extended family couldn't check due to covid restrictions our pm was having garden parties.

The hypocrisy of Eton posh boys doesn't stop me wanting to protect my friends and family.

This! I pay no attention now to what the UK Gov says in terms of covid, completely untrustworthy and motived by money (their own) rather than protecting our public health. I go to SAGE or Indie Sage for info and look at data on Travelling Tabby for updates.

I still wear mask (N95) when in indoor areas apart from home and only take off when seated and eating/drinking. I avoid crowded and poorly ventilated places but luckily local pubs are very well managed and well ventilated, even in winter. I still wear mask on public transport, in shops, etc. I get tested - PCR and blood finger print test - monthly by ONS for their UK study and will do a LFT once or twice a week if I am going out or meeting friends. I also contribute daily to the ZOE study via the app and have on occasion at their request taken a PCR or blood test.

One of my golfing buddies is obese and has type 2 diabetes, he hasn't had covid so why wouldn't I wear a mask and take a LFT if it keeps him safe from harm? N95 masks cost me £15 for 20, surgical masks were £12 for 50 (I'm lucky I can afford this) and the LFT was free and takes about 5 mins twice a week so its is hardly stripping me of my freedom or depriving me of my human rights.

I am constantly pissed off with folk complaining about masks and having to wear them, of course no one wants to wear one but in the scale of things it is really a pretty minor inconvenience. I am an overweight asthmatic 62 year old yet, when gyms first reopened, I managed to do 25 mins on the cross trainer and 40 mins of weight training 3/4 times a week whilst wearing a surgical mask at all times. At worst it was slightly annoying but for most of the time I completely forgot I was wearing it despite being out of breath. I wish some folk would just grow a pair!

[Uncle fester]

How many people on here are still following the guidelines? I have to say there is not a chance in hell I'm going to do another LFT's with any minor cold symptoms or before meeting people. Will not wear masks if others aren't regardless of rules. Noticed that lots are doing the same at the weekend.

Basically why the hell should I comply with anything coming out of our governments mouthpieces? There is less stench from what enters a sewage treatment facility then comes out of this governments orifices.

It strikes me that while Arthur labinjo-hughes was being slowly tortured to death and all the things in place were shutdown (schools) or blocked to protect him and extended family couldn't check due to covid restrictions our pm was having garden parties.

A very weird equivalence to be drawing.

[Lemoentjie]

All types

And yes they do, as our case numbers made clear.

Then why do they show poor results in RCTs?

[petej]

How many people on here are still following the guidelines? I have to say there is not a chance in hell I'm going to do another LFT's with any minor cold symptoms or before meeting people. Will not wear masks if others aren't regardless of rules. Noticed that lots are doing the same at the weekend.

Basically why the hell should I comply with anything coming out of our governments mouthpieces? There is less stench from what enters a sewage treatment facility then comes out of this governments orifices.

It strikes me that while Arthur labinjo-hughes was being slowly tortured to death and all the things in place were shutdown (schools) or blocked to protect him and extended family couldn't check due to covid restrictions our pm was having garden parties.

A very weird equivalence to be drawing.

Not really. A different one perhaps. An absolute shitload of vulnerable minors were locked down and considering their personal risk to COVID no one could really say it was for their benefit. Others have covered not being able to visit loved ones in hospitals or attend funerals and adults have a greater ability to voice their perspective than minors.

[shaggy]

How many people on here are still following the guidelines? I have to say there is not a chance in hell I'm going to do another LFT's with any minor cold symptoms or before meeting people. Will not wear masks if others aren't regardless of rules. Noticed that lots are doing the same at the weekend.

Basically why the hell should I comply with anything coming out of our governments mouthpieces? There is less stench from what enters a sewage treatment facility then comes out of this governments orifices.

It strikes me that while Arthur labinjo-hughes was being slowly tortured to death and all the things in place were shutdown (schools) or blocked to protect him and extended family couldn't check due to covid restrictions our pm was having garden parties.

I can tell you that in the part of SW London I reside many many people have been ignoring the rules/guidelines since day 1. Meeting up outside in groups, parents and kids meeting up inside, using sleepovers for kids as childcare, etc. etc. all casual and low scale stuff but still not allowed. If you think a very large percentage of people have been honest in this then you are surely mistaken.

[Slick]

How many people on here are still following the guidelines? I have to say there is not a chance in hell I'm going to do another LFT's with any minor cold symptoms or before meeting people. Will not wear masks if others aren't regardless of rules. Noticed that lots are doing the same at the weekend.

Basically why the hell should I comply with anything coming out of our governments mouthpieces? There is less stench from what enters a sewage treatment facility then comes out of this governments orifices.

It strikes me that while Arthur labinjo-hughes was being slowly tortured to death and all the things in place were shutdown (schools) or blocked to protect him and extended family couldn't check due to covid restrictions our pm was having garden parties.

You’ve been bursting to get this out for a while now, so well done