So, coronavirus...

[Enzedder]

IMO remembering any detail from the Lions tour is grounds for a ban.

I couldnt answer the question

[Ymx]

Daughters lat flow now clear. So looks like she will be back to school next week, plenty after the 5 day thing.

I’m still clear, which is a relief.

[convoluted]

Omicron is on the move in New Zealand ... relentless .... remorseless ... about to consume all in its path.

Yesterday's headline in the local paper after two cases were detected 50 km away: "It's Getting Nearer"
And this morning's blare: "People Are Afraid": Streets Quiet In Red

Seems the walls are closing in on Trump ... oops, I mean on the NZ populace.

[Happyhooker]

Omicron is on the move in New Zealand ... relentless .... remorseless ... about to consume all in its path.

Yesterday's headline in the local paper after two cases were detected 50 km away: "It's Getting Nearer"
And this morning's blare: "People Are Afraid": Streets Quiet In Red

Seems the walls are closing in on Trump ... oops, I mean on the NZ populace.

Appropriate username

[Rinkals]

Omicron is on the move in New Zealand ... relentless .... remorseless ... about to consume all in its path.

Yesterday's headline in the local paper after two cases were detected 50 km away: "It's Getting Nearer"
And this morning's blare: "People Are Afraid": Streets Quiet In Red

Seems the walls are closing in on Trump ... oops, I mean on the NZ populace.

Appropriate username

Contrived.

[Slick]

Hi all. Didn’t register just to talk about coronavirus but perhaps prompted by my own positive test this morning I finally got around to signing up.

Our five year old also tested positive on Friday, then our two year old and now me. Guessing Braz will soon. Small children don’t seem to be great at infection control.

Hope all those in the same boat are doing ok. I’m lucky that it’s been incredibly mild so far, and our five year old probably had the worst of it with a fever on day 1.

Ps how can I expected to remember the replacement Lions captain after this many months with Covid? Ffs mods

Our 5 year old had a pretty bad day one but then bounced back immediately , although I thought I heard him wheezing a bit today after some exercise.

Unfortunately day 6 was today and his LFT was still positive so off school until next week now

Amazingly, none of the rest of us have picked it up

Wife tested positive this morning.

This is getting a little too close to Calcutta Cup weekend now...

[Margin__Walker]

Wife tested positive this morning.

This is getting a little too close to Calcutta Cup weekend now...

We tested positive six days after our son.

Conveniently dragged all the fun over a full two weeks at Christmas

[Niegs]

I'm not sure if these truckers against vaccine mandates are also transphobes (I mean, they probably are) or if he's got mechanical issues an needs help!?

[Rinkals]

I'm not sure if these truckers against vaccine mandates are also transphobes (I mean, they probably are) or if he's got mechanical issues an needs help!?

That really is odd.

I'm not sure that gumming up highways with 500 trucks (I'm told it's closer to 10,000 trucks, but, you know, Lamestream Media and Bill Gates) is a particularly good way of getting support from the public, but what do I know?

[dpedin]

In the UK approx 1 in 500 of its entire population has died from Covid so far. In Japan, with similar risk factors in terms of age etc, the figure is 1 in 7,000 and UK has suffered a larger fall in GDP. The main difference is how our governments have chosen to handle the pandemic

This apparently is the 'world beating covid response' that the Tories are claiming the Blonde Bumblecunt is proud of.

[GogLais]

In the UK approx 1 in 500 of its entire population has died from Covid so far. In Japan, with similar risk factors in terms of age etc, the figure is 1 in 7,000 and UK has suffered a larger fall in GDP. The main difference is how our governments have chosen to handle the pandemic

This apparently is the 'world beating covid response' that the Tories are claiming the Blonde Bumblecunt is proud of.

Unfortunately a lot of people just want to be told “World-beating Britain” and are happy to believe it,

[Ymx]

Hi all. Didn’t register just to talk about coronavirus but perhaps prompted by my own positive test this morning I finally got around to signing up.

Our five year old also tested positive on Friday, then our two year old and now me. Guessing Braz will soon. Small children don’t seem to be great at infection control.

Hope all those in the same boat are doing ok. I’m lucky that it’s been incredibly mild so far, and our five year old probably had the worst of it with a fever on day 1.

Ps how can I expected to remember the replacement Lions captain after this many months with Covid? Ffs mods

Our 5 year old had a pretty bad day one but then bounced back immediately , although I thought I heard him wheezing a bit today after some exercise.

Unfortunately day 6 was today and his LFT was still positive so off school until next week now

Amazingly, none of the rest of us have picked it up

Wife tested positive this morning.

This is getting a little too close to Calcutta Cup weekend now...

So did mine!!!!

My little one is now clear, but the wife is bright red line on the lat flow.

I’m looking clear still. But I’m now going to probably miss out on a strategic offsite at a nice 5 star hotel, next wed.

[petej]

In the UK approx 1 in 500 of its entire population has died from Covid so far. In Japan, with similar risk factors in terms of age etc, the figure is 1 in 7,000 and UK has suffered a larger fall in GDP. The main difference is how our governments have chosen to handle the pandemic

This apparently is the 'world beating covid response' that the Tories are claiming the Blonde Bumblecunt is proud of.

Public health in Japan I doubt is anywhere near as bad. There will be far less obese people for starters. The risk factors will be higher in the UK (I'm sure the last decade of Tory rule hasn't helped the health of the UK populace).

[dpedin]

In the UK approx 1 in 500 of its entire population has died from Covid so far. In Japan, with similar risk factors in terms of age etc, the figure is 1 in 7,000 and UK has suffered a larger fall in GDP. The main difference is how our governments have chosen to handle the pandemic

This apparently is the 'world beating covid response' that the Tories are claiming the Blonde Bumblecunt is proud of.

Public health in Japan I doubt is anywhere near as bad. There will be far less obese people for starters. The risk factors will be higher in the UK (I'm sure the last decade of Tory rule hasn't helped the health of the UK populace).

Japan may be less obese but has in older population, has a greater population density, etc etc. As said above these risk factors do not explain the huge difference in covid death rates. The respective Government's PH response is the main reason for the different death rates. The UK Gov response and the growing lack of trust in what it says has been the main explanation for our piss poor covid response, for the UK Gov to call it world beating is correct but not in the way it means.

[petej]

In the UK approx 1 in 500 of its entire population has died from Covid so far. In Japan, with similar risk factors in terms of age etc, the figure is 1 in 7,000 and UK has suffered a larger fall in GDP. The main difference is how our governments have chosen to handle the pandemic

This apparently is the 'world beating covid response' that the Tories are claiming the Blonde Bumblecunt is proud of.

Public health in Japan I doubt is anywhere near as bad. There will be far less obese people for starters. The risk factors will be higher in the UK (I'm sure the last decade of Tory rule hasn't helped the health of the UK populace).

Japan may be less obese but has in older population, has a greater population density, etc etc. As said above these risk factors do not explain the huge difference in covid death rates. The respective Government's PH response is the main reason for the different death rates. The UK Gov response and the growing lack of trust in what it says has been the main explanation for our piss poor covid response, for the UK Gov to call it world beating is correct but not in the way it means.

By all means compare us to France, Germany and other western European countries but I would avoid comparing us to Japan. They have very low rates of obesity and associated co-morbidities that brings, a very different culture and a very different diet. Public health is not a short term thing and if our public health was better the risk of COVID would be significantly lower. I'm not disputing that our governments response has been piss poor I just wouldn't compare us with Japan.

[mat the expat]

Japan also has a much more "common-good" culture - people there have been wearing masks for simple colds for years.

It's almost a case study in how effective facemasks are

[dpedin]

Public health in Japan I doubt is anywhere near as bad. There will be far less obese people for starters. The risk factors will be higher in the UK (I'm sure the last decade of Tory rule hasn't helped the health of the UK populace).

Japan may be less obese but has in older population, has a greater population density, etc etc. As said above these risk factors do not explain the huge difference in covid death rates. The respective Government's PH response is the main reason for the different death rates. The UK Gov response and the growing lack of trust in what it says has been the main explanation for our piss poor covid response, for the UK Gov to call it world beating is correct but not in the way it means.

By all means compare us to France, Germany and other western European countries but I would avoid comparing us to Japan. They have very low rates of obesity and associated co-morbidities that brings, a very different culture and a very different diet. Public health is not a short term thing and if our public health was better the risk of COVID would be significantly lower. I'm not disputing that our governments response has been piss poor I just wouldn't compare us with Japan.

The main reason for the comparison is because we are the only G7 island nations. The point is that the differences in various risk factors are relatively small - obesity, density, wealth, etc between G7 countries in comparison with many other countries. By all means pick and choose the risk factors you want to prove your own point of view - coincidently Japan's diabetes rate is higher than in the UK - but overall there is only one explanation for the difference in covid death rates and that is the PH strategy adopted by the respective Governments. Remember the original point was to dispel the Tory claim that the Blonde Bumblecunt 'got us through covid successfully'! He didn't and the comparison with Japan remains valid.

[petej]

Japan may be less obese but has in older population, has a greater population density, etc etc. As said above these risk factors do not explain the huge difference in covid death rates. The respective Government's PH response is the main reason for the different death rates. The UK Gov response and the growing lack of trust in what it says has been the main explanation for our piss poor covid response, for the UK Gov to call it world beating is correct but not in the way it means.

By all means compare us to France, Germany and other western European countries but I would avoid comparing us to Japan. They have very low rates of obesity and associated co-morbidities that brings, a very different culture and a very different diet. Public health is not a short term thing and if our public health was better the risk of COVID would be significantly lower. I'm not disputing that our governments response has been piss poor I just wouldn't compare us with Japan.

The main reason for the comparison is because we are the only G7 island nations. The point is that the differences in various risk factors are relatively small - obesity, density, wealth, etc between G7 countries in comparison with many other countries. By all means pick and choose the risk factors you want to prove your own point of view - coincidently Japan's diabetes rate is higher than in the UK - but overall there is only one explanation for the difference in covid death rates and that is the PH strategy adopted by the respective Governments. Remember the original point was to dispel the Tory claim that the Blonde Bumblecunt 'got us through covid successfully'! He didn't and the comparison with Japan remains valid.

Japan is far more isolated than the UK in more ways than just geography. It is a lazy comparison in much the same way using Sweden as an example for the anti-lockdown movement was for rightwing dingbats in the USA and UK.

[Ymx]

Speaking of nutters. Are the nutters yet convinced the PCR’s are a way for the global governments to steal our DNA? And retrieve data from the nanobots they planted in us with vaccines?

[Ymx]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/1 ... omers-dna/

Just searched my conspiracy

[dpedin]

By all means compare us to France, Germany and other western European countries but I would avoid comparing us to Japan. They have very low rates of obesity and associated co-morbidities that brings, a very different culture and a very different diet. Public health is not a short term thing and if our public health was better the risk of COVID would be significantly lower. I'm not disputing that our governments response has been piss poor I just wouldn't compare us with Japan.

The main reason for the comparison is because we are the only G7 island nations. The point is that the differences in various risk factors are relatively small - obesity, density, wealth, etc between G7 countries in comparison with many other countries. By all means pick and choose the risk factors you want to prove your own point of view - coincidently Japan's diabetes rate is higher than in the UK - but overall there is only one explanation for the difference in covid death rates and that is the PH strategy adopted by the respective Governments. Remember the original point was to dispel the Tory claim that the Blonde Bumblecunt 'got us through covid successfully'! He didn't and the comparison with Japan remains valid.

Japan is far more isolated than the UK in more ways than just geography. It is a lazy comparison in much the same way using Sweden as an example for the anti-lockdown movement was for rightwing dingbats in the USA and UK.

Nah it's not. Its not lazy, I've given you facts and you come back with vague assertions based on nothing but your own personal view of the world.

[Rinkals]

Speaking of nutters. Are the nutters yet convinced the PCR’s are a way for the global governments to steal our DNA? And retrieve data from the nanobots they planted in us with vaccines?

[petej]

The main reason for the comparison is because we are the only G7 island nations. The point is that the differences in various risk factors are relatively small - obesity, density, wealth, etc between G7 countries in comparison with many other countries. By all means pick and choose the risk factors you want to prove your own point of view - coincidently Japan's diabetes rate is higher than in the UK - but overall there is only one explanation for the difference in covid death rates and that is the PH strategy adopted by the respective Governments. Remember the original point was to dispel the Tory claim that the Blonde Bumblecunt 'got us through covid successfully'! He didn't and the comparison with Japan remains valid.

Japan is far more isolated than the UK in more ways than just geography. It is a lazy comparison in much the same way using Sweden as an example for the anti-lockdown movement was for rightwing dingbats in the USA and UK.

Nah it's not. Its not lazy, I've given you facts and you come back with vague assertions based on nothing but your own personal view of the world.

You've given bugger all facts. Zero on what different PH measures Japan took compared to the UK. The obesity differences being relatively small is laughable. 4.97% adult males in Japan compared to 27.88% in the UK is a huge difference.
https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/

[Tichtheid]

Following first Neil Young and then Joni Mitchell taking their entire back catalogue off Spotify because they will not take down misinformation podcasts which put peoples' lives at risk, James Blunt has tweeted that unless Joe Rogan's podcast is taken down he will release new music on Spotify

[Ymx]

Following first Neil Young and then Joni Mitchell taking their entire back catalogue off Spotify because they will not take down misinformation podcasts which put peoples' lives at risk, James Blunt has tweeted that unless Joe Rogan's podcast is taken down he will release new music on Spotify

[dpedin]

Japan is far more isolated than the UK in more ways than just geography. It is a lazy comparison in much the same way using Sweden as an example for the anti-lockdown movement was for rightwing dingbats in the USA and UK.

Nah it's not. Its not lazy, I've given you facts and you come back with vague assertions based on nothing but your own personal view of the world.

You've given bugger all facts. Zero on what different PH measures Japan took compared to the UK. The obesity differences being relatively small is laughable. 4.97% adult males in Japan compared to 27.88% in the UK is a huge difference.
https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/

I kicked off this thread with facts about the different death rates in Japan and the UK!

Japan's type 2 diabetes prevalence is 44% higher than the UK. Diabetes is an acknowledged high risk factor for mortality. There isn't a 'risk factor' associated reason why Japan have had a significantly lower covid death rate than the UK that I have found, certainly not one that explains a difference in death rate of 1:500 in UK compared with 1:7,000 in Japan! Indeed age seems to be the highest key risk factor and we can see this from the age profile of covid deaths in the UK - however in Japan 27% of the population is over 65 compared with only 18.5% in the UK. Again we can't use this to explain the difference in death rates?

The difference in death rates can only be explained by the Government's PH preparedness and responses and the population/societal response to adhering to these PH strategies. Some of the differences will be related to Japan's learning from previous outbreaks of similar types of virus (SARS and MERS) and therefore the lessons they have learnt in how to deal with them. However there is no reason for the UK Gov not to have learnt from these outbreaks as well. To back to where I started to claim the Blonde Bumblecunt managed the covid pandemic well is just plain wrong.

[Ymx]

On the deaths/comorbidities

Thought this was a worthwhile read.

Covid: Posts claiming only 17,000 died of virus 'factually incorrect'


A misleading claim that "only" 17,000 people in England and Wales have died of Covid has been circulating online. The UK's Office for National Statistics (ONS) has stepped in to correct the record - but not before the false claim went viral.

"It has become a weapon of the cruel and heartless to dismiss the deaths of the people we love."

Matt Fowler lost his dad to Covid-19 in April 2020. Ian Fowler was 56 at the time of his death, and lived with type 2 diabetes - which his son said had a "minor, barely perceptible impact on his life that he controlled with his diet".

But the suggestion that "only" 17,000 people in England and Wales have died of Covid - a figure arrived at by removing from the data anyone with a pre-existing health condition - completely discounts the deaths of people like Ian.

The true death toll is more than 140,000, the ONS says. That number is limited to deaths directly caused by the virus, not those "involving" Covid or people who happened to test positive but died of other causes.
There are other ways of calculating deaths by the virus, but all give figures in a similar ballpark.

Kernel of truth

Covid myths that spread on social media very often have a kernel of fact at their heart - a real statistic that gets misused - to tell a story which ends up far from reality. In this case, that information was figures released by the ONS looking at people who died of Covid and who had no other health conditions.
But the false implication made in social media posts - that if someone had any pre-existing health condition, they did not really die of the virus - doesn't logically follow.

"It is very common for the person dying to have a pre-existing health condition of some sort, but this does not mean that the person was at imminent risk of dying from that condition, or even considered to have a reduced life expectancy," the ONS explained.
It described the 17,000 figure as "factually incorrect and highly misleading".

Seven enduring anti-lockdown claims fact-checked
Covid map: Where are cases the highest?
Deaths which would not have been counted in the 17,000 include people with asthma, diabetes, an irregular heartbeat or high blood pressure - all conditions with which many can expect to live a normal lifespan. In other words, these are not terminal conditions that would have killed people had they not caught Covid.

"It wasn't type 2 diabetes that killed my dad, it was Covid-19," says Mr Fowler, who co-founded the group Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice. "Were it not for the unchecked spread of the virus, my dad would still be alive today."

He describes such posts as "deeply offensive" and condemns people on social media for peddling "heartless conspiracy theories...to attack us in our grief".

'They know their dad, 34, isn't coming home'
Covid bereaved families 'fuming' at No 10 party
How death certificates really work
The idea, popular in some online groups, that a large proportion of virus deaths are people who died "with" but not necessarily "of" Covid - coincidentally testing positive when dying of another cause - is based on a misinterpretation of how deaths are recorded.

When doctors fill in death certificates, they record the chain of events that led directly to a patient's death based on physical examinations, tests, symptoms and medical records.

For example, someone may catch Covid, which causes pneumonia, which leads to acute respiratory distress syndrome (Ards), culminating in their death. A doctor would list all three as causes.

If someone was in hospital dying of another cause and happened to test positive for Covid, it would not be recorded in the same way.

There is another section of the death certificate form where doctors can add pre-existing conditions which may have contributed, like asthma.

In some cases, the underlying condition may be very serious, like cancer or dementia. But the fact a doctor decided to note it in this separate section, and not as an underlying cause, suggests the patient would not have died then just because of that condition alone.

As an extreme example, imagine someone is stabbed but had an irregular heartbeat which contributed to cardiac failure when they were attacked. The irregular heartbeat might appear on their death certificate, but we wouldn't say the person who stabbed them was not responsible for their death.

The idea that deaths can be mistakenly recorded as being due to Covid-19 can occasionally be true when considering a different measure used in the UK - deaths within 28 days of a Covid positive test.

However, even those cases which may be erroneously picked up by that statistic aren't artificially inflating the death toll. In fact, the figure for deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test are actually lower than the number of death certificates listing Covid-19 as the cause.
That's because some people are ill for longer than 28 days before dying of Covid.
6,000 deaths?

To complicate things further, another claim started to circulate at the same time the 17,000 claim went viral - that the death toll was in fact only 6,000.

This is the number of people with just Covid-19 and nothing else on their death certificate - and is possibly even more inaccurate since it excludes people with conditions directly caused by Covid. That means the example above, of someone who caught Covid which developed into pneumonia, would not be counted as a Covid death.

While it's been made clear from the start of the pandemic that older and sicker people are at much higher risk from the virus, research has found on average people who died of Covid lost 10 years of life.
How did the claims spread?

The misleading "17,000" figure was spread by influential accounts online. On 14 January, former Islamist turned counter-extremism activist Maajid Nawaz tweeted that the figures were evidence of "narrative collapse", implying the larger reported death figures were not genuine.

Then on 20 January, Dr John Campbell, a retired nurse educator who has amassed a huge following on YouTube, released a video describing the figures as a "huge story" and suggested Covid deaths were "much lower than mainstream media seems to have been intimating".
His video has been viewed more than 1.5 million times to date and was shared by Conservative MP David Davis.

On the same day, The Daily Expose, a website that has published a variety of misleading and false claims, posted an article falsely claiming the ONS had: "admit[ted] just 6,000 people died of Covid-19 in England and Wales".

This and related claims began to spread in the following days: to French accounts, a 50,000-member Greek Facebook group, a Swedish group of 20,000 people and a Slovakian political blogger, suggesting the government had distorted death figures or been "forced to tell the truth".

The ONS said: "To exclude individuals with any pre-existing conditions... greatly understates the number of people who died from Covid-19 and who might well still be alive had the pandemic not occurred."

The BBC has contacted Mr Nawaz, Dr Campbell and Mr Davis.

[Insane_Homer]

So his immune system now needs ivermectin et al to fight his 'bad cold'

[westport]

On the deaths/comorbidities

Thought this was a worthwhile read.

Covid: Posts claiming only 17,000 died of virus 'factually incorrect'


A misleading claim that "only" 17,000 people in England and Wales have died of Covid has been circulating online. The UK's Office for National Statistics (ONS) has stepped in to correct the record - but not before the false claim went viral.

"It has become a weapon of the cruel and heartless to dismiss the deaths of the people we love."

Matt Fowler lost his dad to Covid-19 in April 2020. Ian Fowler was 56 at the time of his death, and lived with type 2 diabetes - which his son said had a "minor, barely perceptible impact on his life that he controlled with his diet".

But the suggestion that "only" 17,000 people in England and Wales have died of Covid - a figure arrived at by removing from the data anyone with a pre-existing health condition - completely discounts the deaths of people like Ian.

The true death toll is more than 140,000, the ONS says. That number is limited to deaths directly caused by the virus, not those "involving" Covid or people who happened to test positive but died of other causes.
There are other ways of calculating deaths by the virus, but all give figures in a similar ballpark.

Kernel of truth

Covid myths that spread on social media very often have a kernel of fact at their heart - a real statistic that gets misused - to tell a story which ends up far from reality. In this case, that information was figures released by the ONS looking at people who died of Covid and who had no other health conditions.
But the false implication made in social media posts - that if someone had any pre-existing health condition, they did not really die of the virus - doesn't logically follow.

"It is very common for the person dying to have a pre-existing health condition of some sort, but this does not mean that the person was at imminent risk of dying from that condition, or even considered to have a reduced life expectancy," the ONS explained.
It described the 17,000 figure as "factually incorrect and highly misleading".

Seven enduring anti-lockdown claims fact-checked
Covid map: Where are cases the highest?
Deaths which would not have been counted in the 17,000 include people with asthma, diabetes, an irregular heartbeat or high blood pressure - all conditions with which many can expect to live a normal lifespan. In other words, these are not terminal conditions that would have killed people had they not caught Covid.

"It wasn't type 2 diabetes that killed my dad, it was Covid-19," says Mr Fowler, who co-founded the group Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice. "Were it not for the unchecked spread of the virus, my dad would still be alive today."

He describes such posts as "deeply offensive" and condemns people on social media for peddling "heartless conspiracy theories...to attack us in our grief".

'They know their dad, 34, isn't coming home'
Covid bereaved families 'fuming' at No 10 party
How death certificates really work
The idea, popular in some online groups, that a large proportion of virus deaths are people who died "with" but not necessarily "of" Covid - coincidentally testing positive when dying of another cause - is based on a misinterpretation of how deaths are recorded.

When doctors fill in death certificates, they record the chain of events that led directly to a patient's death based on physical examinations, tests, symptoms and medical records.

For example, someone may catch Covid, which causes pneumonia, which leads to acute respiratory distress syndrome (Ards), culminating in their death. A doctor would list all three as causes.

If someone was in hospital dying of another cause and happened to test positive for Covid, it would not be recorded in the same way.

There is another section of the death certificate form where doctors can add pre-existing conditions which may have contributed, like asthma.

In some cases, the underlying condition may be very serious, like cancer or dementia. But the fact a doctor decided to note it in this separate section, and not as an underlying cause, suggests the patient would not have died then just because of that condition alone.

As an extreme example, imagine someone is stabbed but had an irregular heartbeat which contributed to cardiac failure when they were attacked. The irregular heartbeat might appear on their death certificate, but we wouldn't say the person who stabbed them was not responsible for their death.

The idea that deaths can be mistakenly recorded as being due to Covid-19 can occasionally be true when considering a different measure used in the UK - deaths within 28 days of a Covid positive test.

However, even those cases which may be erroneously picked up by that statistic aren't artificially inflating the death toll. In fact, the figure for deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test are actually lower than the number of death certificates listing Covid-19 as the cause.
That's because some people are ill for longer than 28 days before dying of Covid.
6,000 deaths?

To complicate things further, another claim started to circulate at the same time the 17,000 claim went viral - that the death toll was in fact only 6,000.

This is the number of people with just Covid-19 and nothing else on their death certificate - and is possibly even more inaccurate since it excludes people with conditions directly caused by Covid. That means the example above, of someone who caught Covid which developed into pneumonia, would not be counted as a Covid death.

While it's been made clear from the start of the pandemic that older and sicker people are at much higher risk from the virus, research has found on average people who died of Covid lost 10 years of life.
How did the claims spread?

The misleading "17,000" figure was spread by influential accounts online. On 14 January, former Islamist turned counter-extremism activist Maajid Nawaz tweeted that the figures were evidence of "narrative collapse", implying the larger reported death figures were not genuine.

Then on 20 January, Dr John Campbell, a retired nurse educator who has amassed a huge following on YouTube, released a video describing the figures as a "huge story" and suggested Covid deaths were "much lower than mainstream media seems to have been intimating".
His video has been viewed more than 1.5 million times to date and was shared by Conservative MP David Davis.

On the same day, The Daily Expose, a website that has published a variety of misleading and false claims, posted an article falsely claiming the ONS had: "admit[ted] just 6,000 people died of Covid-19 in England and Wales".

This and related claims began to spread in the following days: to French accounts, a 50,000-member Greek Facebook group, a Swedish group of 20,000 people and a Slovakian political blogger, suggesting the government had distorted death figures or been "forced to tell the truth".

The ONS said: "To exclude individuals with any pre-existing conditions... greatly understates the number of people who died from Covid-19 and who might well still be alive had the pandemic not occurred."

The BBC has contacted Mr Nawaz, Dr Campbell and Mr Davis.

And Dr John Campbell replies here

[petej]

The problem Dr John Campbell really has is that David Davis is thick as shit and armed with a twitter account, not that is news to anyone who has followed the progress of brexit.

[Ymx]

What was the essence of the video? It is bloody long and he’s hard to listen to for some reason.

What did he say was for the reason he deemed it “huge news”?

[robmatic]

So his immune system now needs ivermectin et al to fight his 'bad cold'

Fairly safe bet that he is actually vaccinated as well.

[tabascoboy]

Back around 1800 when the idea of smallpox vaccination via injection with Cowpox was introduced, many people refused to have it as they seriously believed it would turn you into a cow. Great to think that in many ways and in many people evolutionary progress appears to have stalled.

[petej]

What was the essence of the video? It is bloody long and he’s hard to listen to for some reason.

What did he say was for the reason he deemed it “huge news”?

He was surprised that deaths deemed only from COVID with no other causes was so low and that this hadn't been reported but careful to discuss the other numbers IE excess deaths, ONS deaths with other causes as well etc.... The reason it hadn't been reported widely is probably because some silly sods would undoubtedly not put it into context and use it to push some agenda which is precisely what happened when he reported it and one of the silly sods was a MP.

[CM11]

Not sure why he wasn't surprised that deaths due to covid alone were so high. As said either here or elsewhere, it's unusual to have just one cause of death for a respiratory illness.

[Lobby]

So his immune system now needs ivermectin et al to fight his 'bad cold'

Fairly safe bet that he is actually vaccinated as well.

He claimed last year that he wasn’t going to be vaccinated as he had a deep and debilitating fear of needles, although as others pointed out at the time, this deep-seated fear wasn’t strong enough to prevent him from getting his arms covered in tattoos.

[fishfoodie]

A fig leaf so small; you' d need an electron microscope to catch sight of it.

Spotify: Streaming giant announces plans to clamp down on Covid misinformation

Spotify says that it is working to add advisory warnings to any podcast on its platform that discusses Covid-19.

CEO Daniel Ek unveiled the plans to bar the streaming giant's contributors from sharing "deceptive" information that could pose a threat to public health.

He said that the platform's new advisory warning will redirect users to a data hub of coronavirus facts.

The move follows criticism of its work with Joe Rogan, a US podcast host who has interviewed vaccine-sceptics.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-60192957

Pretending this is one of those topics; that there are; "two sides", too; when there's only science, & bullshit !

Will they be adding tags, for other content that decent human beings may find objectionable ?

Racism, Homophobia, Pedophilia etc ? ... I don't f*cking think so !

[shaggy]

A fig leaf so small; you' d need an electron microscope to catch sight of it.

Spotify: Streaming giant announces plans to clamp down on Covid misinformation

Spotify says that it is working to add advisory warnings to any podcast on its platform that discusses Covid-19.

CEO Daniel Ek unveiled the plans to bar the streaming giant's contributors from sharing "deceptive" information that could pose a threat to public health.

He said that the platform's new advisory warning will redirect users to a data hub of coronavirus facts.

The move follows criticism of its work with Joe Rogan, a US podcast host who has interviewed vaccine-sceptics.
....

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-60192957

Pretending this is one of those topics; that there are; "two sides", too; when there's only science, & bullshit !

Will they be adding tags, for other content that decent human beings may find objectionable ?

Racism, Homophobia, Pedophilia etc ? ... I don't f*cking think so !

Pretty sure the topic of anti vaccination is not covered by a law, hence there is a tricky line to be navigated on curtailing opinion.

[Flockwitt]

A fig leaf so small; you' d need an electron microscope to catch sight of it.

Spotify: Streaming giant announces plans to clamp down on Covid misinformation

Spotify says that it is working to add advisory warnings to any podcast on its platform that discusses Covid-19.

CEO Daniel Ek unveiled the plans to bar the streaming giant's contributors from sharing "deceptive" information that could pose a threat to public health.

He said that the platform's new advisory warning will redirect users to a data hub of coronavirus facts.

The move follows criticism of its work with Joe Rogan, a US podcast host who has interviewed vaccine-sceptics.
....

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-60192957

Pretending this is one of those topics; that there are; "two sides", too; when there's only science, & bullshit !

Will they be adding tags, for other content that decent human beings may find objectionable ?

Racism, Homophobia, Pedophilia etc ? ... I don't f*cking think so !

Pretty sure the topic of anti vaccination is not covered by a law, hence there is a tricky line to be navigated on curtailing opinion.

Yep. Setting oneself up for a major major lawsuit that any number of cockroach lawyers would love to take a tilt at.

[robmatic]

So his immune system now needs ivermectin et al to fight his 'bad cold'

Fairly safe bet that he is actually vaccinated as well.

He claimed last year that he wasn’t going to be vaccinated as he had a deep and debilitating fear of needles, although as others pointed out at the time, this deep-seated fear wasn’t strong enough to prevent him from getting his arms covered in tattoos.

That was just his usual performative bollocks though.