President Trump and US politics catchall

[Enzedder]

A federal judge on Wednesday sentenced Jacob Chansley, known as the "QAnon Shaman," to 41 months in prison.
Chansley struck a deal to plead guilty to one count of obstruction for his role in the January 6 Capitol insurrection.
The sentences ties for the harshest punishment handed down to a Capitol rioter thus far.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/crime/qa ... d=msedgdhp

[Uncle fester]

Pretty powerful stuff from Biden today.

[robmatic]

Pretty powerful stuff from Biden today.

I think that ship has well and truly sailed from the Republican Party though.

[Uncle fester]

For sure. Quite sad seeing how the wingnuts transferred directly from the 50/60's democratic party to the republican party.

Their ...ehhh...way of doing politics will probably provoke another civil war.

[JM2K6]

They are certainly mobilised at the local level. It almost doesn't matter what the senior Republicans do at this point to bring things back from the brink.

[dpedin]

I watched the speech and it was powerful. It was almost like Biden was goading Trump into doing something stupid ... again! Calling him a loser is like a red rag to a bull, I wondered if there is something going on in the background that led to the tone of his speech and in particular his attack, justified in my opinion, and calling out the previous President?

I agree with others that the battle lines have been drawn and the nutters and swivelled eyed loons from QAnon and right wing paramilitaries will also see this as a challenge to them. It will be interesting to see what the 'tub of lard with a door mat on his heid' says in his planned speech.

[Uncle fester]

I watched the speech and it was powerful. It was almost like Biden was goading Trump into doing something stupid ... again! Calling him a loser is like a red rag to a bull, I wondered if there is something going on in the background that led to the tone of his speech and in particular his attack, justified in my opinion, and calling out the previous President?

I agree with others that the battle lines have been drawn and the nutters and swivelled eyed loons from QAnon and right wing paramilitaries will also see this as a challenge to them. It will be interesting to see what the 'tub of lard with a door mat on his heid' says in his planned speech.

Was pointed out on this thread that if Chump declares his intention to run again, the funds he's raised will come under scrutiny.

[dpedin]

I watched the speech and it was powerful. It was almost like Biden was goading Trump into doing something stupid ... again! Calling him a loser is like a red rag to a bull, I wondered if there is something going on in the background that led to the tone of his speech and in particular his attack, justified in my opinion, and calling out the previous President?

I agree with others that the battle lines have been drawn and the nutters and swivelled eyed loons from QAnon and right wing paramilitaries will also see this as a challenge to them. It will be interesting to see what the 'tub of lard with a door mat on his heid' says in his planned speech.

Was pointed out on this thread that if Chump declares his intention to run again, the funds he's raised will come under scrutiny.

Good!

[fishfoodie]

I watched the speech and it was powerful. It was almost like Biden was goading Trump into doing something stupid ... again! Calling him a loser is like a red rag to a bull, I wondered if there is something going on in the background that led to the tone of his speech and in particular his attack, justified in my opinion, and calling out the previous President?

I agree with others that the battle lines have been drawn and the nutters and swivelled eyed loons from QAnon and right wing paramilitaries will also see this as a challenge to them. It will be interesting to see what the 'tub of lard with a door mat on his heid' says in his planned speech.

If you don't, lockup; & otherwise call to account the leaders of a coup attempt ... what happens the next time ?

The GOP hasn't noticeably shifted from the bullshit, lies & frankly; Treason; of Jan 6th 2020; & they've done their level best to stop the truth of what happened; & who was responsible; from coming to light.

There's another set of elections coming up; & the GOP have been running state officials thru the farce in Arizona; with the express intention of overturning any results that don't go their way; & they've also been busy, to disenfranchise anyone they think won't vote for them.

American democracy is under threat; & it's past time to start taking the battle to the bastards intent upon turning the US into a dictatorship.

[Rinkals]

I watched the speech and it was powerful. It was almost like Biden was goading Trump into doing something stupid ... again! Calling him a loser is like a red rag to a bull, I wondered if there is something going on in the background that led to the tone of his speech and in particular his attack, justified in my opinion, and calling out the previous President?

I agree with others that the battle lines have been drawn and the nutters and swivelled eyed loons from QAnon and right wing paramilitaries will also see this as a challenge to them. It will be interesting to see what the 'tub of lard with a door mat on his heid' says in his planned speech.

If you don't, lockup; & otherwise call to account the leaders of a coup attempt ... what happens the next time ?

The GOP hasn't noticeably shifted from the bullshit, lies & frankly; Treason; of Jan 6th 2020; & they've done their level best to stop the truth of what happened; & who was responsible; from coming to light.

There's another set of elections coming up; & the GOP have been running state officials thru the farce in Arizona; with the express intention of overturning any results that don't go their way; & they've also been busy, to disenfranchise anyone they think won't vote for them.

American democracy is under threat; & it's past time to start taking the battle to the bastards intent upon turning the US into a dictatorship.

It's odd that they can't seem to see it.

I suppose the inherent scope for corruption of the American system with corporate lobbying and financial incentives to influence lawmaking (the gun lobby being a case in point) means that lawmakers are not necessarily acting for their constituents, so trust in their politicians has been eroded and the fallacy of a successful businessman [sic] running the country may have its attractions.

I have had it pointed out to me that the US is not Democracy as such, but is something called a Democratic Republic.

The 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments actually fly in the face of the intentions of the Founding Fathers, who wanted a qualified franchise system rather than universal suffrage as they didn't trust an uneducated electorate.

Regardless, amusing lolz though it may be to see Trump return in 2024, I don't think it is too dramatic to feel that this would spell the end of most Western Democracies.

Some 17 Republican-controlled States have recently enacted laws which severely restrict voting access and even allow representatives to overturn the vote on the mere allegation of voter fraud and this, together with Gerrymandering of voter districts could very well make Trump's reelection a reality. And any restraints he may have been under in his first term will no longer apply, giving him unfettered power.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... eport-says
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/04/poli ... index.html

[Slick]

It all does have a kind of end of empire feel.

[TheFrog]

Wonder what the tendencies are in the Western democracies, but it stroke me after a recent poll in France that politics are drifting strongly to the right in my home country.

That poll had Macron ahead with 26%. I would argue that Macron is center right, as a lot of his policies for the last 5 years would have had Chirac and Sarkozy proud.

Pecresse, from the Républicains has 16% and she is the candidate of the traditional conservative right.

The worrying part is that the far right cumulative 16% with Lepen and 13% with Zemmour. A third of the French are willing to vote for a far right party!

The left only gather 26% of the voting intentions, its leader being the far left candidate Melanchon at 9%, well ahead of the Green candidate Jadot (7%) and the Socialist Mayor of Paris Hidalgo (4%).

One thing is sure. The Socialist Party in France, which had become a Social-Democrat party through the years, doesn't have a voice any longer. The moderate left is now represented by the Green Party.

Adding numbers together, extremist parties reach above 40%. It shows that people are divorced from traditional politics and want a brutal change. Yet it looks like Macron or Pecresse are likely the next President.

[laurent]

Wonder what the tendencies are in the Western democracies, but it stroke me after a recent poll in France that politics are drifting strongly to the right in my home country.

That poll had Macron ahead with 26%. I would argue that Macron is center right, as a lot of his policies for the last 5 years would have had Chirac and Sarkozy proud.

Pecresse, from the Républicains has 16% and she is the candidate of the traditional conservative right.

The worrying part is that the far right cumulative 16% with Lepen and 13% with Zemmour. A third of the French are willing to vote for a far right party!

The left only gather 26% of the voting intentions, its leader being the far left candidate Melanchon at 9%, well ahead of the Green candidate Jadot (7%) and the Socialist Mayor of Paris Hidalgo (4%).

One thing is sure. The Socialist Party in France, which had become a Social-Democrat party through the years, doesn't have a voice any longer. The moderate left is now represented by the Green Party.

Adding numbers together, extremist parties reach above 40%. It shows that people are divorced from traditional politics and want a brutal change. Yet it looks like Macron or Pecresse are likely the next President.

Both will finish off public education and health , and make sure only the very rich can retire.

[Hugo]

I watched the speech and it was powerful. It was almost like Biden was goading Trump into doing something stupid ... again! Calling him a loser is like a red rag to a bull, I wondered if there is something going on in the background that led to the tone of his speech and in particular his attack, justified in my opinion, and calling out the previous President?

I agree with others that the battle lines have been drawn and the nutters and swivelled eyed loons from QAnon and right wing paramilitaries will also see this as a challenge to them. It will be interesting to see what the 'tub of lard with a door mat on his heid' says in his planned speech.

If you don't, lockup; & otherwise call to account the leaders of a coup attempt ... what happens the next time ?

The GOP hasn't noticeably shifted from the bullshit, lies & frankly; Treason; of Jan 6th 2020; & they've done their level best to stop the truth of what happened; & who was responsible; from coming to light.

There's another set of elections coming up; & the GOP have been running state officials thru the farce in Arizona; with the express intention of overturning any results that don't go their way; & they've also been busy, to disenfranchise anyone they think won't vote for them.

American democracy is under threat; & it's past time to start taking the battle to the bastards intent upon turning the US into a dictatorship.

It's odd that they can't seem to see it.

I suppose the inherent scope for corruption of the American system with corporate lobbying and financial incentives to influence lawmaking (the gun lobby being a case in point) means that lawmakers are not necessarily acting for their constituents, so trust in their politicians has been eroded and the fallacy of a successful businessman [sic] running the country may have its attractions.

I have had it pointed out to me that the US is not Democracy as such, but is something called a Democratic Republic.

The 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments actually fly in the face of the intentions of the Founding Fathers, who wanted a qualified franchise system rather than universal suffrage as they didn't trust an uneducated electorate.

Regardless, amusing lolz though it may be to see Trump return in 2024, I don't think it is too dramatic to feel that this would spell the end of most Western Democracies.

Some 17 Republican-controlled States have recently enacted laws which severely restrict voting access and even allow representatives to overturn the vote on the mere allegation of voter fraud and this, together with Gerrymandering of voter districts could very well make Trump's reelection a reality. And any restraints he may have been under in his first term will no longer apply, giving him unfettered power.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... eport-says
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/04/poli ... index.html

Good post.

The big problem western democracies face imo is a political class that is out of synch with the proletariat.

[fishfoodie]

If you don't, lockup; & otherwise call to account the leaders of a coup attempt ... what happens the next time ?

The GOP hasn't noticeably shifted from the bullshit, lies & frankly; Treason; of Jan 6th 2020; & they've done their level best to stop the truth of what happened; & who was responsible; from coming to light.

There's another set of elections coming up; & the GOP have been running state officials thru the farce in Arizona; with the express intention of overturning any results that don't go their way; & they've also been busy, to disenfranchise anyone they think won't vote for them.

American democracy is under threat; & it's past time to start taking the battle to the bastards intent upon turning the US into a dictatorship.

It's odd that they can't seem to see it.

I suppose the inherent scope for corruption of the American system with corporate lobbying and financial incentives to influence lawmaking (the gun lobby being a case in point) means that lawmakers are not necessarily acting for their constituents, so trust in their politicians has been eroded and the fallacy of a successful businessman [sic] running the country may have its attractions.

I have had it pointed out to me that the US is not Democracy as such, but is something called a Democratic Republic.

The 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments actually fly in the face of the intentions of the Founding Fathers, who wanted a qualified franchise system rather than universal suffrage as they didn't trust an uneducated electorate.

Regardless, amusing lolz though it may be to see Trump return in 2024, I don't think it is too dramatic to feel that this would spell the end of most Western Democracies.

Some 17 Republican-controlled States have recently enacted laws which severely restrict voting access and even allow representatives to overturn the vote on the mere allegation of voter fraud and this, together with Gerrymandering of voter districts could very well make Trump's reelection a reality. And any restraints he may have been under in his first term will no longer apply, giving him unfettered power.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... eport-says
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/04/poli ... index.html

Good post.

The big problem western democracies face imo is a political class that is out of synch with the proletariat.

It's probably true, that the division of politicians, doesn't reflect reflect the classes in society; but the responses from the Political parties, hasn't worked so far.

We've had the likes of Chávez; bankrupting a wealthy nation; to buy off the poor; then we have the shitgibbon, pretending to give a shit about the poor; while giving a trillion dollars in tax cuts, to the most wealthy: & Orban, Erdoğan, etc; trying variations on the theme of toxic Nationalism; mixed with buying votes; while knowing it's all unsustainable.

Populism seems to be the default response; & it's always is shittier, in the medium/long term.

The Problem for Democracy is the people voting; all too often; aren't educated enough, or smart enough, to see thru the scumbags who want to hold power; & the Democratic systems; don't have the controls to protect themselves from bad actors. Add to that; the increasing actions by Nations; interfering in other Nations elections; & it's a tough time for Democracy.

[Uncle fester]

I watched the speech and it was powerful. It was almost like Biden was goading Trump into doing something stupid ... again! Calling him a loser is like a red rag to a bull, I wondered if there is something going on in the background that led to the tone of his speech and in particular his attack, justified in my opinion, and calling out the previous President?

I agree with others that the battle lines have been drawn and the nutters and swivelled eyed loons from QAnon and right wing paramilitaries will also see this as a challenge to them. It will be interesting to see what the 'tub of lard with a door mat on his heid' says in his planned speech.

If you don't, lockup; & otherwise call to account the leaders of a coup attempt ... what happens the next time ?

The GOP hasn't noticeably shifted from the bullshit, lies & frankly; Treason; of Jan 6th 2020; & they've done their level best to stop the truth of what happened; & who was responsible; from coming to light.

There's another set of elections coming up; & the GOP have been running state officials thru the farce in Arizona; with the express intention of overturning any results that don't go their way; & they've also been busy, to disenfranchise anyone they think won't vote for them.

American democracy is under threat; & it's past time to start taking the battle to the bastards intent upon turning the US into a dictatorship.

It's odd that they can't seem to see it.

I suppose the inherent scope for corruption of the American system with corporate lobbying and financial incentives to influence lawmaking (the gun lobby being a case in point) means that lawmakers are not necessarily acting for their constituents, so trust in their politicians has been eroded and the fallacy of a successful businessman [sic] running the country may have its attractions.

I have had it pointed out to me that the US is not Democracy as such, but is something called a Democratic Republic.

The 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments actually fly in the face of the intentions of the Founding Fathers, who wanted a qualified franchise system rather than universal suffrage as they didn't trust an uneducated electorate.

Regardless, amusing lolz though it may be to see Trump return in 2024, I don't think it is too dramatic to feel that this would spell the end of most Western Democracies.

Some 17 Republican-controlled States have recently enacted laws which severely restrict voting access and even allow representatives to overturn the vote on the mere allegation of voter fraud and this, together with Gerrymandering of voter districts could very well make Trump's reelection a reality. And any restraints he may have been under in his first term will no longer apply, giving him unfettered power.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... eport-says
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/04/poli ... index.html

Another way of looking at it is to question if their democracy was really that good to begin with. The nation was pretty much founded by religious extremists who left England because it was too liberal for them.

It wasn't till 100 years after the civil war that some of the southern states were dragged kicking and screaming into something resembling a democracy and they've never forgiven "the libs" for this.

I still see this playing out like the Spanish civil war and with the victim complex/ entitlement to power of the right being so strong that they won't need much in the way of "provocation" to set them off. As the guardian said last year, the next wannabe dictator will be a lot more competent than Chump.

[petej]

Wonder what the tendencies are in the Western democracies, but it stroke me after a recent poll in France that politics are drifting strongly to the right in my home country.

That poll had Macron ahead with 26%. I would argue that Macron is center right, as a lot of his policies for the last 5 years would have had Chirac and Sarkozy proud.

Pecresse, from the Républicains has 16% and she is the candidate of the traditional conservative right.

The worrying part is that the far right cumulative 16% with Lepen and 13% with Zemmour. A third of the French are willing to vote for a far right party!

The left only gather 26% of the voting intentions, its leader being the far left candidate Melanchon at 9%, well ahead of the Green candidate Jadot (7%) and the Socialist Mayor of Paris Hidalgo (4%).

One thing is sure. The Socialist Party in France, which had become a Social-Democrat party through the years, doesn't have a voice any longer. The moderate left is now represented by the Green Party.

Adding numbers together, extremist parties reach above 40%. It shows that people are divorced from traditional politics and want a brutal change. Yet it looks like Macron or Pecresse are likely the next President.

Is France as generationally divided as the UK with most of the far right support coming from the older age groups?

[Hugo]

It's odd that they can't seem to see it.

I suppose the inherent scope for corruption of the American system with corporate lobbying and financial incentives to influence lawmaking (the gun lobby being a case in point) means that lawmakers are not necessarily acting for their constituents, so trust in their politicians has been eroded and the fallacy of a successful businessman [sic] running the country may have its attractions.

I have had it pointed out to me that the US is not Democracy as such, but is something called a Democratic Republic.

The 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments actually fly in the face of the intentions of the Founding Fathers, who wanted a qualified franchise system rather than universal suffrage as they didn't trust an uneducated electorate.

Regardless, amusing lolz though it may be to see Trump return in 2024, I don't think it is too dramatic to feel that this would spell the end of most Western Democracies.

Some 17 Republican-controlled States have recently enacted laws which severely restrict voting access and even allow representatives to overturn the vote on the mere allegation of voter fraud and this, together with Gerrymandering of voter districts could very well make Trump's reelection a reality. And any restraints he may have been under in his first term will no longer apply, giving him unfettered power.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... eport-says
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/04/poli ... index.html

Good post.

The big problem western democracies face imo is a political class that is out of synch with the proletariat.

It's probably true, that the division of politicians, doesn't reflect reflect the classes in society; but the responses from the Political parties, hasn't worked so far.

We've had the likes of Chávez; bankrupting a wealthy nation; to buy off the poor; then we have the shitgibbon, pretending to give a shit about the poor; while giving a trillion dollars in tax cuts, to the most wealthy: & Orban, Erdoğan, etc; trying variations on the theme of toxic Nationalism; mixed with buying votes; while knowing it's all unsustainable.

Populism seems to be the default response; & it's always is shittier, in the medium/long term.

The Problem for Democracy is the people voting; all too often; aren't educated enough, or smart enough, to see thru the scumbags who want to hold power; & the Democratic systems; don't have the controls to protect themselves from bad actors. Add to that; the increasing actions by Nations; interfering in other Nations elections; & it's a tough time for Democracy.

Good post.

In addition to what you have said democracies have major flaws with short election cycles.

Challenging problems require long term planning and long term solutions. Difficult problems cannot be fixed overnight. Two year elections (as in the US model) provide no scope for long term planning because control of government see saws so frequently.

Its a massive advantage China holds over the west.

[Uncle fester]

Electorates need to take some responsibility. If they vote for chumps, they should expect rubbish governance.

[fishfoodie]

Electorates need to take some responsibility. If they vote for chumps, they should expect rubbish governance.

Looking forward to Shinners getting in then ?

[TheFrog]

Wonder what the tendencies are in the Western democracies, but it stroke me after a recent poll in France that politics are drifting strongly to the right in my home country.

That poll had Macron ahead with 26%. I would argue that Macron is center right, as a lot of his policies for the last 5 years would have had Chirac and Sarkozy proud.

Pecresse, from the Républicains has 16% and she is the candidate of the traditional conservative right.

The worrying part is that the far right cumulative 16% with Lepen and 13% with Zemmour. A third of the French are willing to vote for a far right party!

The left only gather 26% of the voting intentions, its leader being the far left candidate Melanchon at 9%, well ahead of the Green candidate Jadot (7%) and the Socialist Mayor of Paris Hidalgo (4%).

One thing is sure. The Socialist Party in France, which had become a Social-Democrat party through the years, doesn't have a voice any longer. The moderate left is now represented by the Green Party.

Adding numbers together, extremist parties reach above 40%. It shows that people are divorced from traditional politics and want a brutal change. Yet it looks like Macron or Pecresse are likely the next President.

Is France as generationally divided as the UK with most of the far right support coming from the older age groups?

I don't think so. I would need to check but I believe LePen has strong support in many different layers of the society.

[Rinkals]

Whatever happened to Fangle? I see he last posted in August.

He and I had a falling out over Trump, although I quite liked him, having met him for a few pints.

[Niegs]

Reading back to those posts reflecting on the one year anniversary of the Capitol insurrection had me thinking about a documentary I watched recently...




People made comments about American wannabe fascists for years, but watching footage of rallies and brainwashed people throwing their complete and joyful love toward a madman really did hit home (take your pick as to which footage I was talking about )

[Hugo]

Whatever happened to Fangle? I see he last posted in August.

He and I had a falling out over Trump, although I quite liked him, having met him for a few pints.

I was wondering the same thing. I hope he is doing ok.

[notfatcat]

Whatever happened to Fangle? I see he last posted in August.

He and I had a falling out over Trump, although I quite liked him, having met him for a few pints.

Let's be fair, that was you falling out with him. Demanding he explain himself to you. What a joke!

[Uncle fester]

Electorates need to take some responsibility. If they vote for chumps, they should expect rubbish governance.

Looking forward to Shinners getting in then ?

That is quite depressing but I do console myself that in the elections immediately before the GE, Euro & locals, they did pretty poorly.
Suspect that much of the SF vote is a protest vote at the performance of the government and frustration with the state of the housing market. It's been broken for 2 decades now and is getting worse.

[Rinkals]

Whatever happened to Fangle? I see he last posted in August.

He and I had a falling out over Trump, although I quite liked him, having met him for a few pints.

Let's be fair, that was you falling out with him. Demanding he explain himself to you. What a joke!

That isn't how it happened.

In any case, I hope he's alright.

[TB63]

Here fishy, fishy,fishy..

FJkZO68XMAEzPzA.jpeg (174.59 KiB) Viewed 1770 times

"Just find me 11,870 votes"...
Most perfect phonecall ever...

[Rinkals]

Here fishy, fishy,fishy..

FJkZO68XMAEzPzA.jpeg

"Just find me 11,870 votes"...
Most perfect phonecall ever...

I seem to remember a conversation with Seneca and another admirer of Trump (prior to NPR), wherein it was generally agreed that a sitting President defines the law, so it's impossible for him to do anything illegal.

Mueller more or less confirmed Seneca's case.

[Slick]

Here fishy, fishy,fishy..

FJkZO68XMAEzPzA.jpeg

"Just find me 11,870 votes"...
Most perfect phonecall ever...

How does anyone on the planet look at this and think, yeah that’s a sane person

[Insane_Homer]

so fucking dumb

[fishfoodie]

Massive News.

For a change it's someone else gets to chuck the shitgibbon, & his vile spawn, under the bus. I think this is him seriously fucked.

Trump's longtime accounting firm recants a decade of his financial statements

The accounting firm that has for years prepared annual financial statements for Donald Trump and his businesses is cutting ties with his company and says a decade's worth of the reports "should no longer be relied upon."

The firm, Mazars USA, wrote to the Trump Organization's chief legal officer Alan Garten on February 9 to inform him of its decision. The letter was included as an exhibit in a filing Monday by the New York attorney general's office, which is seeking depositions from Trump and two of his children, Donald Jr. and Ivanka Trump, as part of an ongoing fraud probe.

In the letter, a Mazars executive cites revelations from the attorney general's investigation as among the reasons the accounting firm is no longer standing by its financial statements for the years ending June 30, 2011 to June 30, 2020, and dropping the Trump Organization.
....

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-orga ... tatements/

You can get away with endless shit if you're wealthy in the US; but the IRS don't give a shit how much money you have; they nail anyone to the wall if they lie to them; & this is Mazars saying that Shitgibbon & his children did exactly that. They've even refused to do their taxes this year FFS

I imagine this will stop him getting, or refinancing any loans; & have all the banks holding his debt, scrambling around assessing their exposure, if someone else breaks ranks, & calls in his debts. They won't want to be last in line, to discover that his inflated valuations mean they can only collect cents in the dollar, if he goes bankrupt.

[fishfoodie]

He is so fucked !

Former US President Donald Trump and two of his children must answer questions under oath in a New York investigation into their business practices, a judge has ruled.

New York Attorney General Letitia James has accused the Trump Organization of using "fraudulent or misleading asset valuations" to get loans and tax breaks.

Mr Trump must now sit for deposition within 21 days.

I never expected to see him jailed, it was never possible; but bankrupting him, will destroy him; because he has always defined success, by how much money he had. To reduce him to relative poverty will eat him up worse than twenty years in any prison.

[TheFrog]

Posting from Alabama, I can tell you he still has a strong base of worshippers who would follow him anywhere.

[Uncle fester]

He is so fucked !

Former US President Donald Trump and two of his children must answer questions under oath in a New York investigation into their business practices, a judge has ruled.

New York Attorney General Letitia James has accused the Trump Organization of using "fraudulent or misleading asset valuations" to get loans and tax breaks.

Mr Trump must now sit for deposition within 21 days.

I never expected to see him jailed, it was never possible; but bankrupting him, will destroy him; because he has always defined success, by how much money he had. To reduce him to relative poverty will eat him up worse than twenty years in any prison.

Sure he's been bankrupt before. No biggie.

[Hal Jordan]

Occupational hazard for a grifter.

[Rinkals]

He is so fucked !

Former US President Donald Trump and two of his children must answer questions under oath in a New York investigation into their business practices, a judge has ruled.

New York Attorney General Letitia James has accused the Trump Organization of using "fraudulent or misleading asset valuations" to get loans and tax breaks.

Mr Trump must now sit for deposition within 21 days.

I never expected to see him jailed, it was never possible; but bankrupting him, will destroy him; because he has always defined success, by how much money he had. To reduce him to relative poverty will eat him up worse than twenty years in any prison.

Sure he's been bankrupt before. No biggie.

Will the Russians continue to lend to him now, though? I suspect he's outlived his usefulness. Especially if he loses his NY properties.

[Biffer]

He is so fucked !

Former US President Donald Trump and two of his children must answer questions under oath in a New York investigation into their business practices, a judge has ruled.

New York Attorney General Letitia James has accused the Trump Organization of using "fraudulent or misleading asset valuations" to get loans and tax breaks.

Mr Trump must now sit for deposition within 21 days.

I never expected to see him jailed, it was never possible; but bankrupting him, will destroy him; because he has always defined success, by how much money he had. To reduce him to relative poverty will eat him up worse than twenty years in any prison.

Sure he's been bankrupt before. No biggie.

This is different though. It’s not just bankruptcy, it’s fraud, and the people he’s defrauded are other rich people, including massive financial institutions. This is a rich vs rich shitfight, and he’s going to get royally fucked, as are his kids.

[Hal Jordan]

We've been here before, and he wriggles away. The only thing that will truly fuck him is the IRS.

But it doesn't matter, the US is fucked, you have the situation where the state level GOP (which is where it really matters) has been captured by Gilead types, there's an election for state Attorney General in Michigan. There are three Republican candidates, all of whom oppose the ruling in Griswold vs Conneticut. That established the right of married couples to use contraception without being prosecuted for it.

[Biffer]

We've been here before, and he wriggles away. The only thing that will truly fuck him is the IRS.

But it doesn't matter, the US is fucked, you have the situation where the state level GOP (which is where it really matters) has been captured by Gilead types, there's an election for state Attorney General in Michigan. There are three Republican candidates, all of whom oppose the ruling in Griswold vs Conneticut. That established the right of married couples to use contraception without being prosecuted for it.

I’m not so sure. Previously he’s fucked over small businesses, general public etc. He’s not fucked over banks and rich people to this level previously - and definitely not with this spotlight.