So, coronavirus...

[Margin__Walker]

How many people are genuinely unable to be vaxed at this point? Genuine question.

And what restrictions should we be keeping in place? Mandatory masks or something beyond that?

At what point should the onus shift on companies + govt to make air quality & ventilation a priority?

It's one of those things that should happen (especially in offices, hospitality, schools etc), but once the immediate threat recedes, falls down the priority list. Are any other countries putting serious investment into it out of interest?

[JM2K6]

How many people are genuinely unable to be vaxed at this point? Genuine question.

And what restrictions should we be keeping in place? Mandatory masks or something beyond that?

At what point should the onus shift on companies + govt to make air quality & ventilation a priority?

It's one of those things that should happen (especially in offices, hospitality, schools etc), but once the immediate threat recedes, falls down the priority list. Are any other countries putting serious investment into it out of interest?

No idea!

[Biffer]

At what point should the onus shift on companies + govt to make air quality & ventilation a priority?

It's one of those things that should happen (especially in offices, hospitality, schools etc), but once the immediate threat recedes, falls down the priority list. Are any other countries putting serious investment into it out of interest?

No idea!

Employers and hospitality venues now have an obligation to put mitigations in place to make their establishments safe, that’s a legal obligation in Scotland. It’s not currently defined what those mitigations are though. Post emergency legislation, I would hope this obligation remains in place and is more explicitly laid out in terms of ventilation and/or filtration.

[JM2K6]

Essentially what I'd love to see as a reaction to the pandemic is a realisation that actually we spend a lot of time in unhealthy environments and we can and should be better at this.

[Biffer]

Essentially what I'd love to see as a reaction to the pandemic is a realisation that actually we spend a lot of time in unhealthy environments and we can and should be better at this.

That and a better all round understanding of risk in everyday life that we just accept as ok.

[petej]

Essentially what I'd love to see as a reaction to the pandemic is a realisation that actually we spend a lot of time in unhealthy environments and we can and should be better at this.

That and a better all round understanding of risk in everyday life that we just accept as ok.

A lot of our inside environments are heavily artificial, overly sterile and unhealthy. Using more natural materials has a positive impact of people's physical and mental health.

PFA's is going to be very interesting. HSE put a call out to industry and EU reach plus many US states are moving to limit or ban many of them. I always wonder with new car or paint, carpet etc.. smells is from off gasing from things that are partially cured.

[dpedin]

It's one of those things that should happen (especially in offices, hospitality, schools etc), but once the immediate threat recedes, falls down the priority list. Are any other countries putting serious investment into it out of interest?

No idea!

Employers and hospitality venues now have an obligation to put mitigations in place to make their establishments safe, that’s a legal obligation in Scotland. It’s not currently defined what those mitigations are though. Post emergency legislation, I would hope this obligation remains in place and is more explicitly laid out in terms of ventilation and/or filtration.

Neither of my kids who work for major multinational companies are back in their offices yet. They pop in for the odd meeting every couple of weeks but otherwise are WFH. Both employers are still wary and are clear they have a legal responsibility for the health and wellbeing of employees when in the workplace. They are also concerned about large swathes of their workforce going off sick at the same time should they all be recalled into offices. Also both of my kids companies are realising that WFH hasn't had any real negative impact on company performance so are reluctant to make changes until case numbers fall a lot further. They are basically ignoring the Blonde Bumblecunts unscientific utterances and behaving a lot more sensibly than our Gov.

[Biffer]

No idea!

Employers and hospitality venues now have an obligation to put mitigations in place to make their establishments safe, that’s a legal obligation in Scotland. It’s not currently defined what those mitigations are though. Post emergency legislation, I would hope this obligation remains in place and is more explicitly laid out in terms of ventilation and/or filtration.

Neither of my kids who work for major multinational companies are back in their offices yet. They pop in for the odd meeting every couple of weeks but otherwise are WFH. Both employers are still wary and are clear they have a legal responsibility for the health and wellbeing of employees when in the workplace. They are also concerned about large swathes of their workforce going off sick at the same time should they all be recalled into offices. Also both of my kids companies are realising that WFH hasn't had any real negative impact on company performance so are reluctant to make changes until case numbers fall a lot further. They are basically ignoring the Blonde Bumblecunts unscientific utterances and behaving a lot more sensibly than our Gov.

A number of my mates are now one or two days a month in the office, and have been told that's the permanent arrangement.

[Ovals]

No idea!

Employers and hospitality venues now have an obligation to put mitigations in place to make their establishments safe, that’s a legal obligation in Scotland. It’s not currently defined what those mitigations are though. Post emergency legislation, I would hope this obligation remains in place and is more explicitly laid out in terms of ventilation and/or filtration.

Neither of my kids who work for major multinational companies are back in their offices yet. They pop in for the odd meeting every couple of weeks but otherwise are WFH. Both employers are still wary and are clear they have a legal responsibility for the health and wellbeing of employees when in the workplace. They are also concerned about large swathes of their workforce going off sick at the same time should they all be recalled into offices. Also both of my kids companies are realising that WFH hasn't had any real negative impact on company performance so are reluctant to make changes until case numbers fall a lot further. They are basically ignoring the Blonde Bumblecunts unscientific utterances and behaving a lot more sensibly than our Gov.

My daughter in law works for a large Uk company and is still working from home - well, working from my study atm as they are having work done at home. I suspect that she'll continue to do so even after the pandemic threat is minimised. It's win win for her employer - they can reduce their overheads and reduce the chances of having lots of staff off ill.

[Niegs]

Speaking for 90% (or more!) of Canadians to the "end all mandates now" whackos...

[Slick]

Cardiff at the weekend seems to be claiming quite a few victims!

[Rinkals]

This article on the use of Ivermectin may be of some interest. (it's a retraction on its efficacy - the collapsed URL doesn't make that clear)

https://blogs.jwatch.org/hiv-id-observa ... 022/02/12/

[SaintK]

Cardiff at the weekend seems to be claiming quite a few victims!

Queen has tested positive. DEfinitely not a good week for her!!!

[convoluted]

Speaking for 90% (or more!) of Canadians to the "end all mandates now" whackos...

The very next day Bill Gates 'sadly' endorsed what the "whackos" are arguing:
https://www.informedchoiceaustralia.com ... he-vaccine

... and then today Ardern virtually admitted the same thing:
"Once we come through a wave and a peak of Omicron, that (mandates) equation changes because many unvaccinated people at that point will have been exposed to Covid-19."

[petej]

Can't see the point of vaccine mandates. If numpties want to take the risk then let them at this stage. Canada and NZ are mostly vaccinated. Feel sorry for any health care workers who have to treat them but beyond that don't care. Like any religious group they aren't going to be persuaded.

[JM2K6]

Fuck me he doesn't stop with the disinfo campaign does he

[Biffer]

Finally tested negative on day 12.

[tabascoboy]

Be proud! It''s all over! Boris personally saved us!

[petej]

Be proud! It''s all over! Boris personally saved us!

I would keep the ONS surveillance survey going as it is in the grand scheme of things probably pretty cheap. Agree with ditching the large scale free testing, isolation etc... Keep testing in clinical settings for the moment but probably something to go in the summer.

[convoluted]

So yesterday NZ confirmed about 2,500 new cases and two deaths.

"... and two deaths".
WTF does that mean?
I know what it implies -- it suggests that Covid yesterday cut down two NZers, possibly healthy and in their prime.
We don't know if that is so or not, because we were not given any qualifying info by our govt which dictates the narrative.

But also yesterday an article in Stuff told that many who present at Emergency Departments in NZ for calamitous injury or illness totally unrelated to Covid are testing positive for the virus:
"All patients coming to EDs were tested for Covid-19 if they consented, and many, especially those who were vaccinated, tested positive despite not showing symptoms."

Now surely one can assume that those most in peril of dying would be the unfortunates rushed to various EDs for whatever health or injury-related cause, so did those two die the other day from or with Covid?

Last week, data on Australia's total Covid deaths over the two years told that the median age for the female dead was 86 and for male Covid deaths it was 81, and that the bulk who died 'of Covid' had several comorbidities.

It was widely known and accepted within just the initial several months of the virus back in 2020 that it was the elderly with severe health issues who were most at risk of Covid death. Yet multiple governments have deemed that it has been necessary to destroy (the lives and livelihood of) their populace in order to 'save' them.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/n ... or-covid19

[sockwithaticket]

Can't see the point of vaccine mandates. If numpties want to take the risk then let them at this stage. Canada and NZ are mostly vaccinated. Feel sorry for any health care workers who have to treat them but beyond that don't care. Like any religious group they aren't going to be persuaded.

Again we come back to it's not just them at risk, though. There's a non-negligible number of people unable to be vaccinated, they need everyone who can to get it.

I'm also not wild about the idea of health service money being spent treating these fucking idiots when a simple jab would overwhelmingly cut the likelihood of them needing to have any kidn of medical intervention as treatement.

[Blackmac]

Johnson's lifting of restrictions somehow reminds me of this. The Great War of 1914 to 1917.

[Enzedder]

Can't see the point of vaccine mandates. If numpties want to take the risk then let them at this stage. Canada and NZ are mostly vaccinated. Feel sorry for any health care workers who have to treat them but beyond that don't care. Like any religious group they aren't going to be persuaded.

The mandates are there mainly for the healthcare workers and us oldies (our hospital was full a month ago with no covid cases so not much wiggle room at all.). Once this wave has gone through us I can definitely see a reduction in restrictions.

[Ymx]

So yesterday NZ confirmed about 2,500 new cases and two deaths.

"... and two deaths".
WTF does that mean?
I know what it implies -- it suggests that Covid yesterday cut down two NZers, possibly healthy and in their prime.
We don't know if that is so or not, because we were not given any qualifying info by our govt which dictates the narrative.

But also yesterday an article in Stuff told that many who present at Emergency Departments in NZ for calamitous injury or illness totally unrelated to Covid are testing positive for the virus:
"All patients coming to EDs were tested for Covid-19 if they consented, and many, especially those who were vaccinated, tested positive despite not showing symptoms."

Now surely one can assume that those most in peril of dying would be the unfortunates rushed to various EDs for whatever health or injury-related cause, so did those two die the other day from or with Covid?

Last week, data on Australia's total Covid deaths over the two years told that the median age for the female dead was 86 and for male Covid deaths it was 81, and that the bulk who died 'of Covid' had several comorbidities.

It was widely known and accepted within just the initial several months of the virus back in 2020 that it was the elderly with severe health issues who were most at risk of Covid death. Yet multiple governments have deemed that it has been necessary to destroy (the lives and livelihood of) their populace in order to 'save' them.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/n ... or-covid19

In the UK Omicron really confused our statistics in terms of people dieing with covid not because of it. Such was the huge population saturation of it in Jan.

On the 2 deaths. Looking it up NZ has 33k deaths per year. Or 90 deaths per day. So it’s pretty tiny in the scheme of things.

https://www.stats.govt.nz/topics/births-and-deaths

[Ymx]

Johnson's lifting of restrictions somehow reminds me of this. The Great War of 1914 to 1917.

In terms of the various government premature easing of restrictions, this is the one I’m least worrying about. It’s already swept through here.

I’m reminded of the one I thought was utterly stupid after the first re opening where everyone was still unvaccinated, the strain a very deadly one, and the government were actively urging people to return to work using public transport.

Gosh are we nearly 2 years in to this thing?

[JM2K6]

(yes only 3 of us will get the reference)

[Grandpa]

Johnson's lifting of restrictions somehow reminds me of this. The Great War of 1914 to 1917.

In terms of the various government premature easing of restrictions, this is the one I’m least worrying about. It’s already swept through here.

I’m reminded of the one I thought was utterly stupid after the first re opening where everyone was still unvaccinated, the strain a very deadly one, and the government were actively urging people to return to work using public transport.

Gosh are we nearly 2 years in to this thing?

At least two years.. it was likely here before we even recognised it.. it's gone quick though..

Going forward my only concern is that a new variant appears that is resistant to current vaccines that spreads fast and is deadlier than past ones... we all assume that future variants will always be milder... which while most likely, isn't necessarily so...

[tc27]

(yes only 3 of us will get the reference)

In the grim darkness of the 21st Century their is only Coronavirus

A thousand Daily Mail readers a day most be sacrificed to sustain her physic life force.

[JM2K6]

A country that remains in the EU is like a fortress with gates unbarred and unguarded

Suffer not the billionare paedophile to live

Only in scandal does duty end

Voting is the first step on the road to disappointment



Honestly, this shit writes itself

[GogLais]

It's one of those things that should happen (especially in offices, hospitality, schools etc), but once the immediate threat recedes, falls down the priority list. Are any other countries putting serious investment into it out of interest?

No idea!

Employers and hospitality venues now have an obligation to put mitigations in place to make their establishments safe, that’s a legal obligation in Scotland. It’s not currently defined what those mitigations are though. Post emergency legislation, I would hope this obligation remains in place and is more explicitly laid out in terms of ventilation and/or filtration.

Just thought - I had the not at all onerous task of doing the H&S Policy for our place of work - a small office so it was next to nothing. I’d have to take Covid into account now, sod that, it’d be out of my comfort zone.
Thing is there were very few absolutes, it was all what’s reasonably practicable. Glad I’m out of it.

[Biffer]

No idea!

Employers and hospitality venues now have an obligation to put mitigations in place to make their establishments safe, that’s a legal obligation in Scotland. It’s not currently defined what those mitigations are though. Post emergency legislation, I would hope this obligation remains in place and is more explicitly laid out in terms of ventilation and/or filtration.

Just thought - I had the not at all onerous task of doing the H&S Policy for our place of work - a small office so it was next to nothing. I’d have to take Covid into account now, sod that, it’d be out of my comfort zone.
Thing is there were very few absolutes, it was all what’s reasonably practicable. Glad I’m out of it.

Absolutely - H&S is always about what's reasonably practical. But even within that I think it's very vague what needs to be considered atm.

[troglodiet]

(yes only 3 of us will get the reference)

In the grim darkness of the 21st Century their is only Coronavirus

A thousand Daily Mail readers a day most be sacrificed to sustain her physic life force.

Are you 2 suggesting C19 is turning us into the Adeptus Astartes?

[JM2K6]

Sadly no, just the poor bastards overseen by a heartless and uncaring beaurocracy that sees countless people die or live in misery thanks to dogma and power hungry ruling classes that see everyone else as chattel

[sockwithaticket]

We could do worse than sacrificing psychics (charlatans and shysters that they are) to keep Liz on the throne and stop Charlie taking over.

The Tories certainly are reminiscent of the High Lords of Terra right now...

[Ovals]

Sadly no, just the poor bastards overseen by a heartless and uncaring beaurocracy that sees countless people die or live in misery thanks to dogma and power hungry ruling classes that see everyone else as chattel

You sound like you're doing a Refry impression - but with a hugely improved command of the English Language.

[yermum]

fucking neckbeards everywhere...

[sockwithaticket]

fucking neckbeards everywhere...

I'll have you know mine stops at the jaw line.

[sturginho]

Youngest daughter tested positive today

[sturginho]

After two years successfully avoiding the fucker, I've finally caught the fucking rona....

[Slick]

After two years successfully avoiding the fucker, I've finally caught the fucking rona....

Hope everyone is OK, sturginho.

At least you have the game on Sunday to cheer you up