6 Nations. But not as we know it

[handyman]

Why are most Scottish posters always so angry?

[FalseBayFC]

Well this is just going swimmingly.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/ ... ix-nations

This is the thing for South Africa. You'd need to compensate Italy to the order of 4-500 million euros and you wouldn't get any Lions tours.

So they'd achieve the general SH thing of manage to fuck both the competition they're entering, and themselves at the same time. The shameless incompetence of these fuckers is something to behold.

Apart from actually winning the competition every time bar once.

[FalseBayFC]

Anyway it turns out that it was all a troll by the meejya eejits. Y'all can quit your meltdown now. No more tears please.

[JM2K6]

Well this is just going swimmingly.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/ ... ix-nations

This is the thing for South Africa. You'd need to compensate Italy to the order of 4-500 million euros and you wouldn't get any Lions tours.

So they'd achieve the general SH thing of manage to fuck both the competition they're entering, and themselves at the same time. The shameless incompetence of these fuckers is something to behold.

Apart from actually winning the competition every time bar once.

W...what?

[FalseBayFC]

This is the thing for South Africa. You'd need to compensate Italy to the order of 4-500 million euros and you wouldn't get any Lions tours.

So they'd achieve the general SH thing of manage to fuck both the competition they're entering, and themselves at the same time. The shameless incompetence of these fuckers is something to behold.

Apart from actually winning the competition every time bar once.

W...what?

The Lions tour isn't really a competition but a tour. I was referring of course to the RWC. But the SH has pretty much dominated World Sevens, Junior World Championships and Womens RWC. Just don't know what competitions the SH have generally fucked up.

[Biffer]

Why are most Scottish posters always so angry?

Have you seen our fucking neighbours?

[Biffer]

Well this is just going swimmingly.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/ ... ix-nations

This is the thing for South Africa. You'd need to compensate Italy to the order of 4-500 million euros and you wouldn't get any Lions tours.

So they'd achieve the general SH thing of manage to fuck both the competition they're entering, and themselves at the same time. The shameless incompetence of these fuckers is something to behold.

Well, the RWC turned out alright.

The fact that there's only one of the many competitions they've been involved in that anyone can point to as surviving proves the point.

[FalseBayFC]

Why are most Scottish posters always so angry?

Have you seen our fucking neighbours?

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[Guy Smiley]

This is the thing for South Africa. You'd need to compensate Italy to the order of 4-500 million euros and you wouldn't get any Lions tours.

So they'd achieve the general SH thing of manage to fuck both the competition they're entering, and themselves at the same time. The shameless incompetence of these fuckers is something to behold.

Well, the RWC turned out alright.

The fact that there's only one of the many competitions they've been involved in that anyone can point to as surviving proves the point.

The Bledisloe is one of the oldest rugby rivalries going, isn’t it?

[Biffer]

Well, the RWC turned out alright.

The fact that there's only one of the many competitions they've been involved in that anyone can point to as surviving proves the point.

The Bledisloe is one of the oldest rugby rivalries going, isn’t it?

When your next port of call is a shield for an individual rivalry, rather than a competition, it shows you're pretty desperate for examples.

[Sards]

So they told us to vok off

[TheFrog]

The one thing that would not work is the fans traveling. The trip from Europe to South Africa, or from South Africa is not the trip that the average rugby fan will be able to do regularly. Those games will not have the same atmosphere as the other 6N games.

How is that going to affect attendance and sponsorship?

[Biffer]

The one thing that would not work is the fans traveling. The trip from Europe to South Africa, or from South Africa is not the trip that the average rugby fan will be able to do regularly. Those games will not have the same atmosphere as the other 6N games.

How is that going to affect attendance and sponsorship?

Exactly. It'll destroy the character of the whole competition.

[Slick]

The one thing that would not work is the fans traveling. The trip from Europe to South Africa, or from South Africa is not the trip that the average rugby fan will be able to do regularly. Those games will not have the same atmosphere as the other 6N games.

How is that going to affect attendance and sponsorship?

Exactly. It'll destroy the character of the whole competition.

Seen a lot of people saying, well it's only a 10 hour overnight flight. Well, it is from London, but not from Edinburgh, Glasgow, Belfast, Dublin, Manchester, Agen, Nantes, Cardiff etc etc.

[Sards]

The one thing that would not work is the fans traveling. The trip from Europe to South Africa, or from South Africa is not the trip that the average rugby fan will be able to do regularly. Those games will not have the same atmosphere as the other 6N games.

How is that going to affect attendance and sponsorship?

Exactly. It'll destroy the character of the whole competition.

You can relax. Seems the prior announcement was speculation. The 6 nations have said they aren't changing anything

[Kawazaki]

So they told us to vok off

Yeah. We prefer the dagos.

[JM2K6]

Apart from actually winning the competition every time bar once.

W...what?

The Lions tour isn't really a competition but a tour. I was referring of course to the RWC. But the SH has pretty much dominated World Sevens, Junior World Championships and Womens RWC. Just don't know what competitions the SH have generally fucked up.

? JWC has been won 5/12 times by the NH. And it's 5 out of the last 7. NZ has won plenty of women's world cups but 3 of them have gone to NH sides, and no other SH side has been a factor. Always fun to see people riding on the coat-tails of an admirably good NZ rugby setup...

Sevens, which is a different sport, I will grant you. It's a popular sport in the SH, particularly in Fiji.

[FalseBayFC]

W...what?

The Lions tour isn't really a competition but a tour. I was referring of course to the RWC. But the SH has pretty much dominated World Sevens, Junior World Championships and Womens RWC. Just don't know what competitions the SH have generally fucked up.

? JWC has been won 5/12 times by the NH. And it's 5 out of the last 7. NZ has won plenty of women's world cups but 3 of them have gone to NH sides, and no other SH side has been a factor. Always fun to see people riding on the coat-tails of an admirably good NZ rugby setup...

Sevens, which is a different sport, I will grant you. It's a popular sport in the SH, particularly in Fiji.

I was responding to the post which said that SH generally fucks up competitions they enter. I'm not sure which ones Biffer was referring to. The SH teams have dominated world rugby for most of its existence. Its players have hugely enriched and strengthened NH leagues and international sides and its almost overwhelmingly one way traffic.

South Africa rugby, for all our bluster and bravado has a tenuous existence. With a 35-40 percent unemployment rate, a state pension of £100 per month and a median wage of £7-800 per month its not surprising that we can't generate gate revenue to match the developed rugby nations. The pro sport does provide a great income for many young individuals from situations of poverty that no player in the 6N could begin to imagine. We're not asking for handouts from our rich European overlords but you need to understand that the economic realities of our countries are completely different.

I don't think the 6N should be tinkered with either. I even remember feeling weird about it becoming 6N.

[JM2K6]

The Lions tour isn't really a competition but a tour. I was referring of course to the RWC. But the SH has pretty much dominated World Sevens, Junior World Championships and Womens RWC. Just don't know what competitions the SH have generally fucked up.

? JWC has been won 5/12 times by the NH. And it's 5 out of the last 7. NZ has won plenty of women's world cups but 3 of them have gone to NH sides, and no other SH side has been a factor. Always fun to see people riding on the coat-tails of an admirably good NZ rugby setup...

Sevens, which is a different sport, I will grant you. It's a popular sport in the SH, particularly in Fiji.

I was responding to the post which said that SH generally fucks up competitions they enter. I'm not sure which ones Biffer was referring to. The SH teams have dominated world rugby for most of its existence. Its players have hugely enriched and strengthened NH leagues and international sides and its almost overwhelmingly one way traffic.

South Africa rugby, for all our bluster and bravado has a tenuous existence. With a 35-40 percent unemployment rate, a state pension of £100 per month and a median wage of £7-800 per month its not surprising that we can't generate gate revenue to match the developed rugby nations. The pro sport does provide a great income for many young individuals from situations of poverty that no player in the 6N could begin to imagine. We're not asking for handouts from our rich European overlords but you need to understand that the economic realities of our countries are completely different.

I don't think the 6N should be tinkered with either. I even remember feeling weird about it becoming 6N.

Biffer is making the point that Super Rugby has turned into an abomination over the past decade, and the Rugby Championship is a pale imitation of the Tri-Nations. I don't think it's any more complicated than that.

[Hugo]

The Lions tour isn't really a competition but a tour. I was referring of course to the RWC. But the SH has pretty much dominated World Sevens, Junior World Championships and Womens RWC. Just don't know what competitions the SH have generally fucked up.

? JWC has been won 5/12 times by the NH. And it's 5 out of the last 7. NZ has won plenty of women's world cups but 3 of them have gone to NH sides, and no other SH side has been a factor. Always fun to see people riding on the coat-tails of an admirably good NZ rugby setup...

Sevens, which is a different sport, I will grant you. It's a popular sport in the SH, particularly in Fiji.

I was responding to the post which said that SH generally fucks up competitions they enter. I'm not sure which ones Biffer was referring to. The SH teams have dominated world rugby for most of its existence. Its players have hugely enriched and strengthened NH leagues and international sides and its almost overwhelmingly one way traffic.

South Africa rugby, for all our bluster and bravado has a tenuous existence. With a 35-40 percent unemployment rate, a state pension of £100 per month and a median wage of £7-800 per month its not surprising that we can't generate gate revenue to match the developed rugby nations. The pro sport does provide a great income for many young individuals from situations of poverty that no player in the 6N could begin to imagine. We're not asking for handouts from our rich European overlords but you need to understand that the economic realities of our countries are completely different.

I think Biffer was saying that the SH competitions tend to be poorly administered not that SH teams aren't successful.

Since the pro era began the Tri nations, Super rugby, NPC and Currie Cup have all been either tinkered with to the point that they are ruined or massively diminished. I was watching the James Small highlights video on youtube earlier and the highlights from the Currie Cup matches were great. Exciting rugby and packed stadiums.

[OomStruisbaai]

Every country have its own rugby culture and competition. In the amateur days the cultures drove the sport. Unfortunately that change, now it's a professional sport and money drives it.

At much as supporters (like the NH lot on both 6 Nations threads) bitch about the Springboks and their precious competition, money will decide.

Get vokken over it.

[Hugo]

Every country have its own rugby culture and competition. In the amateur days the cultures drove the sport. Unfortunately that change, now it's a professional sport and money drives it.

At much as supporters (like the NH lot on both 6 Nations threads) bitch about the Springboks and their precious competition, money will decide.

Get vokken over it.

"Money will decide" is a terrible and defeatist attitude. If the English football supporters had that mentality the European super league would have been pushed through.

Sporting traditions should be defended from the money men.

[FalseBayFC]

? JWC has been won 5/12 times by the NH. And it's 5 out of the last 7. NZ has won plenty of women's world cups but 3 of them have gone to NH sides, and no other SH side has been a factor. Always fun to see people riding on the coat-tails of an admirably good NZ rugby setup...

Sevens, which is a different sport, I will grant you. It's a popular sport in the SH, particularly in Fiji.

I was responding to the post which said that SH generally fucks up competitions they enter. I'm not sure which ones Biffer was referring to. The SH teams have dominated world rugby for most of its existence. Its players have hugely enriched and strengthened NH leagues and international sides and its almost overwhelmingly one way traffic.

South Africa rugby, for all our bluster and bravado has a tenuous existence. With a 35-40 percent unemployment rate, a state pension of £100 per month and a median wage of £7-800 per month its not surprising that we can't generate gate revenue to match the developed rugby nations. The pro sport does provide a great income for many young individuals from situations of poverty that no player in the 6N could begin to imagine. We're not asking for handouts from our rich European overlords but you need to understand that the economic realities of our countries are completely different.

I think Biffer was saying that the SH competitions tend to be poorly administered not that SH teams aren't successful.

Since the pro era began the Tri nations, Super rugby, NPC and Currie Cup have all been either tinkered with to the point that they are ruined or massively diminished. I was watching the James Small highlights video on youtube earlier and the highlights from the Currie Cup matches were great. Exciting rugby and packed stadiums.

A big factor here is that our domestic teams are stripped almost yearly of coaches and experienced players. Every year for the last 5/6 seasons has been a rebuild for our teams. There has been an exodus of hundreds of players abroad. Japan and the USA have become the most recent destinations for our seasoned pros. What would Scotland, Ireland, Wales or even England domestic rugby look like minus 200 of their pro players.

We're battling to adapt in the current environment. Its a feature of our economic situation in general not just rugby at the moment. Thousands of our doctors and engineers have left to chase opportunities leaving a massive vacuum in skills and experience. Its not just about incompetent administrators tinkering with a successful product.

[OomStruisbaai]

Every country have its own rugby culture and competition. In the amateur days the cultures drove the sport. Unfortunately that change, now it's a professional sport and money drives it.

At much as supporters (like the NH lot on both 6 Nations threads) bitch about the Springboks and their precious competition, money will decide.

Get vokken over it.

"Money will decide" is a terrible and defeatist attitude. If the English football supporters had that mentality the European super league would have been pushed through.

Sporting traditions should be defended from the money men.

Danie Craven agree with you. But he died many years ago.

[FalseBayFC]

Every country have its own rugby culture and competition. In the amateur days the cultures drove the sport. Unfortunately that change, now it's a professional sport and money drives it.

At much as supporters (like the NH lot on both 6 Nations threads) bitch about the Springboks and their precious competition, money will decide.

Get vokken over it.

"Money will decide" is a terrible and defeatist attitude. If the English football supporters had that mentality the European super league would have been pushed through.

Sporting traditions should be defended from the money men.

Danie Craven agree with you. But he died many years ago.

We have very strong amateur grassroots rugby in this country. Schools rugby, albeit interrupted by Covid, is incredibly strong and growing well in previously non-rugby areas. Our Varsity Cup is vibrant and a great production line for talent. The local club scene is surviving and in certain areas thriving. The Eastern and Western Cape in particular. No amount of incompetence is going to shut down that conveyor belt of stars. As our playing base becomes more diverse it will only get better.

Our administrators are mostly shambolic. I won't argue with that.

[Ovals]

Why are most Scottish posters always so angry?

Have you seen our fucking neighbours?

Most Scots have Scottish neighbours, so yeah, we get your point............

[Happyhooker]

Every country have its own rugby culture and competition. In the amateur days the cultures drove the sport. Unfortunately that change, now it's a professional sport and money drives it.

At much as supporters (like the NH lot on both 6 Nations threads) bitch about the Springboks and their precious competition, money will decide.

Get vokken over it.

Aye. We have money. You don't.

So vok [sic] off to your own competition

[Guy Smiley]

The fact that there's only one of the many competitions they've been involved in that anyone can point to as surviving proves the point.

The Bledisloe is one of the oldest rugby rivalries going, isn’t it?

When your next port of call is a shield for an individual rivalry, rather than a competition, it shows you're pretty desperate for examples.

Well no, I was thinking more of your weird attack on the age of competitions... but none of this really bothers me. You've got your dander up for whatever reason and made a couple of easily challenged assertions, is all.

[OomStruisbaai]

Every country have its own rugby culture and competition. In the amateur days the cultures drove the sport. Unfortunately that change, now it's a professional sport and money drives it.

At much as supporters (like the NH lot on both 6 Nations threads) bitch about the Springboks and their precious competition, money will decide.

Get vokken over it.

Aye. We have money. You don't.

So vok [sic] off to your own competition

You want more money.

[_Os_]

vok [sic] off

The beauty of Afrikaans is in the optimisation. The correct word is "vokof", or "fokof" if you want to make sure an English speaker understands. Less letters, less words.

[Gumboot]

The beauty of Afrikaans is in the optimisation. The correct word is "vokof", or "fokof" if you want to make sure an English speaker understands. Less letters, less words.

Fewer. /grammar nerd

[Uncle fester]

With CVC in the bed now, there'll be more of this kite flying to come.

[Biffer]

The Bledisloe is one of the oldest rugby rivalries going, isn’t it?

When your next port of call is a shield for an individual rivalry, rather than a competition, it shows you're pretty desperate for examples.

Well no, I was thinking more of your weird attack on the age of competitions... but none of this really bothers me. You've got your dander up for whatever reason and made a couple of easily challenged assertions, is all.

I didn’t say anything about age. So what ever you’ve made up in your mind isn’t really what I’ve said, is it?

[Biffer]

? JWC has been won 5/12 times by the NH. And it's 5 out of the last 7. NZ has won plenty of women's world cups but 3 of them have gone to NH sides, and no other SH side has been a factor. Always fun to see people riding on the coat-tails of an admirably good NZ rugby setup...

Sevens, which is a different sport, I will grant you. It's a popular sport in the SH, particularly in Fiji.

I was responding to the post which said that SH generally fucks up competitions they enter. I'm not sure which ones Biffer was referring to. The SH teams have dominated world rugby for most of its existence. Its players have hugely enriched and strengthened NH leagues and international sides and its almost overwhelmingly one way traffic.

South Africa rugby, for all our bluster and bravado has a tenuous existence. With a 35-40 percent unemployment rate, a state pension of £100 per month and a median wage of £7-800 per month its not surprising that we can't generate gate revenue to match the developed rugby nations. The pro sport does provide a great income for many young individuals from situations of poverty that no player in the 6N could begin to imagine. We're not asking for handouts from our rich European overlords but you need to understand that the economic realities of our countries are completely different.

I think Biffer was saying that the SH competitions tend to be poorly administered not that SH teams aren't successful.

Since the pro era began the Tri nations, Super rugby, NPC and Currie Cup have all been either tinkered with to the point that they are ruined or massively diminished. I was watching the James Small highlights video on youtube earlier and the highlights from the Currie Cup matches were great. Exciting rugby and packed stadiums.

That’s exactly the point. I’m not talking about on field performance, where the SH teams are excellent. Currie Cup and NPC used to be tremendous, fantastic competitions. Now no one cares. Super Rugby was great at one time, now it’s a shitshow. TRC is ok, but the home and away format means it’s usually a bit processional, and Argentinas wins don’t really ever lead to anything as they get minimised in importance because of the format. Even the Bledisloe is now devalued with it being played three or four times a year.

The SH constantly makes its tournaments less valuable by shitting about with them, and then whines about how they don’t have any money because their tournaments haven’t got any marketable value.

[Biffer]

If I’m honest about this, most of the blame lies with Australia, but SA and NZ have allowed themselves to be drawn in. Even if you look at what’s happened in the last two years, super Rugby Aeotearoa was a fantastic competition, which they then allowed the Aussies in to and the trans Tasman version was a bit shit.

South Africa is also further hampered by playing in huge stadiums where even if you have 10-12,000 crowd for a Currie Cup game you don’t get much atmosphere (after years of watching Edinburgh rugby in Murrayfield I’m well aware of this). Resting to a focus on the Currie Cup would be fantastic in SA but it’s never going to happen now. That would be a great comp, with a recognisable brand, in a perfect time zone for the European TV market.

[FalseBayFC]

If I’m honest about this, most of the blame lies with Australia, but SA and NZ have allowed themselves to be drawn in. Even if you look at what’s happened in the last two years, super Rugby Aeotearoa was a fantastic competition, which they then allowed the Aussies in to and the trans Tasman version was a bit shit.

South Africa is also further hampered by playing in huge stadiums where even if you have 10-12,000 crowd for a Currie Cup game you don’t get much atmosphere (after years of watching Edinburgh rugby in Murrayfield I’m well aware of this). Resting to a focus on the Currie Cup would be fantastic in SA but it’s never going to happen now. That would be a great comp, with a recognisable brand, in a perfect time zone for the European TV market.

I agree with all of that. I'd really love the URC experiment to work but it doesn't feel like a natural home for our teams.

[Kawazaki]

The beauty of Afrikaans is in the optimisation. The correct word is "vokof", or "fokof" if you want to make sure an English speaker understands. Less letters, less words.

Fewer. /grammar nerd

[JM2K6]

I used to really fucking love the NPC. When compared with our own Championship / ND1 it's an absolute blast, a joy to watch and it appears to be a joy to play in. Some serious skills get developed.

[Guy Smiley]

I used to really fucking love the NPC. When compared with our own Championship / ND1 it's an absolute blast, a joy to watch and it appears to be a joy to play in. Some serious skills get developed.

Now that I’m living home in NZ again I get to enjoy it in all its splendour….

And splendid it is.

[JM2K6]

I used to really fucking love the NPC. When compared with our own Championship / ND1 it's an absolute blast, a joy to watch and it appears to be a joy to play in. Some serious skills get developed.

Now that I’m living home in NZ again I get to enjoy it in all its splendour….

And splendid it is.

Are you able to go to matches?