England v Wales

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Openside wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:36 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:33 pm
Slick wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:16 pm

Isn't he the first Scottish ref for fucking years? I said somewhere earlier that I'm not sure why we are using the 6N as a testing ground for refs, it should have the best, full stop. Let refs get experience in the Autumn internationals where no one really cares.
I can't even recall who the last one to officiate an intl match of any kind was :oops:
A Scottish ref retired a couple of years ago due to online abuse iirc
what did you say to them?
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Penalties so far

Week 1
Peyper
Ire 6 Wal 14 total 20

O'Keefe
Scot 13 Eng 10 total 23

Adamson
Fra 14 Ita 10 total 24

Week 2
Berry
Wal 8 Scot 13 total 21

Gardner
Fra 7 Ire 10 total 17

Murphy
Ita 12 Eng 12 total 24

Week 3
Dickson
Sco 12 Fra 9 total 21

Adamson
Eng 13 Wales 13 total 26

Amasukeli
Ire 9 Ita 9 total 18
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Happyhooker wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:37 pm
Openside wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:36 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:33 pm

I can't even recall who the last one to officiate an intl match of any kind was :oops:
A Scottish ref retired a couple of years ago due to online abuse iirc
what did you say to them?
You promised not to squeal 😉
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Openside wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:35 pm
Lady P wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:32 pm Also, how much did they struggle with MOTM?! Not sure it should have been Smith.
Dombrandt was clearly MOTM

It was Itoje. By miles.
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Kawazaki wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:14 pm
Openside wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:35 pm
Lady P wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:32 pm Also, how much did they struggle with MOTM?! Not sure it should have been Smith.
Dombrandt was clearly MOTM

It was Itoje. By miles.
I'd have gone for Itoje followed by Dombrandt. Players doing the more flashy stuff normally get the nod for MOTM though.
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Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:20 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:14 pm
Openside wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:35 pm

Dombrandt was clearly MOTM

It was Itoje. By miles.
I'd have gone for Itoje followed by Dombrandt. Players doing the more flashy stuff normally get the nod for MOTM though.
Tbh Faletau was just as good
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JM2K6 wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:31 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:12 pm
ASMO wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:59 pm

When will the Ref's panel finally realise this man is not fit to referee professional rugby.
It's f***king tokenism at its worst. Same problem with the Italian ref for the Sco v Fra U20 game on Friday. She was clueless but was there because there has to be an Italian ref in the comp.
Lots of U20 refs aren't great. It's a development tournament for them as well.

There's about three refs you find just barely acceptable and you loathe the rest. Perhaps the refs aren't the problem and the laws are.
u20s refs are normally very young, because the fitness requirements are basically the highest, the test they have to pass to qualify for it is the most strenuous. The women don't have to pass the same level as the men, but I presume it's still higher than the normal level they need to meet.
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Raggs wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:38 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:31 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:12 pm

It's f***king tokenism at its worst. Same problem with the Italian ref for the Sco v Fra U20 game on Friday. She was clueless but was there because there has to be an Italian ref in the comp.
Lots of U20 refs aren't great. It's a development tournament for them as well.

There's about three refs you find just barely acceptable and you loathe the rest. Perhaps the refs aren't the problem and the laws are.
u20s refs are normally very young, because the fitness requirements are basically the highest, the test they have to pass to qualify for it is the most strenuous. The women don't have to pass the same level as the men, but I presume it's still higher than the normal level they need to meet.
The women reffing the mens U20 games have been pretty bloody good, the French girl especially.
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ASMO wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:58 pm
Raggs wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:38 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:31 pm

Lots of U20 refs aren't great. It's a development tournament for them as well.

There's about three refs you find just barely acceptable and you loathe the rest. Perhaps the refs aren't the problem and the laws are.
u20s refs are normally very young, because the fitness requirements are basically the highest, the test they have to pass to qualify for it is the most strenuous. The women don't have to pass the same level as the men, but I presume it's still higher than the normal level they need to meet.
The women reffing the mens U20 games have been pretty bloody good, the French girl especially.
The one I saw doing the England Italy game (though i stopped watching about 60 minutes in) was definitely good.
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ASMO wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:58 pm
Raggs wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:38 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:31 pm

Lots of U20 refs aren't great. It's a development tournament for them as well.

There's about three refs you find just barely acceptable and you loathe the rest. Perhaps the refs aren't the problem and the laws are.
u20s refs are normally very young, because the fitness requirements are basically the highest, the test they have to pass to qualify for it is the most strenuous. The women don't have to pass the same level as the men, but I presume it's still higher than the normal level they need to meet.
The women reffing the mens U20 games have been pretty bloody good, the French girl especially.
The one reffing Scotland France was bullied by her Video ref.
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laurent wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:24 pm
ASMO wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:58 pm
Raggs wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:38 pm

u20s refs are normally very young, because the fitness requirements are basically the highest, the test they have to pass to qualify for it is the most strenuous. The women don't have to pass the same level as the men, but I presume it's still higher than the normal level they need to meet.
The women reffing the mens U20 games have been pretty bloody good, the French girl especially.
The one reffing Scotland France was bullied by her Video ref.
Yup, I've said that in a few places, it was unacceptable from the TMO
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Well done and congrats England.
Gorra be honest if Wales won by "cheating" I wouldn't be too bothered either.

Rugby is a game for cheats.
I mean there is more morality and fairness and respect for the opposition in cage fighting. I have even seen soccer players tell the ref it wasn't a goal.
People play Rugby and go on to work in the city and lie and cheat their way into fortunes, manipulate the (insert financial mechanism here)and get to the top of politics etc.

So yeah carry on teaching it in schools.
"If you don't get caught kids, you ain't done nothing wrong".
Our whole UK economy relies on you honest bob, three for a fiver.. cheaty mc'cheaters..because fuck knows it isn't built on anything proper or decent.
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Line6 HXFX wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:30 pm Well done and congrats England.
Gorra be honest if Wales won by "cheating" I wouldn't be too bothered either.

Rugby is a game for cheats.
I mean there is more morality and fairness and respect for the opposition in cage fighting. I have even seen soccer players tell the ref it wasn't a goal.
People play Rugby and go on to work in the city and lie and cheat their way into fortunes, manipulate the (insert financial mechanism here)and get to the top of politics etc.

So yeah carry on teaching it in schools.
"If you don't get caught kids, you ain't done nothing wrong".
Our whole UK economy relies on you honest bob, three for a fiver.. cheaty mc'cheaters..because fuck knows it isn't built on anything proper or decent.
You're a bundle of joy.
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inactionman wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:13 pm
Line6 HXFX wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:30 pm Well done and congrats England.
Gorra be honest if Wales won by "cheating" I wouldn't be too bothered either.

Rugby is a game for cheats.
I mean there is more morality and fairness and respect for the opposition in cage fighting. I have even seen soccer players tell the ref it wasn't a goal.
People play Rugby and go on to work in the city and lie and cheat their way into fortunes, manipulate the (insert financial mechanism here)and get to the top of politics etc.

So yeah carry on teaching it in schools.
"If you don't get caught kids, you ain't done nothing wrong".
Our whole UK economy relies on you honest bob, three for a fiver.. cheaty mc'cheaters..because fuck knows it isn't built on anything proper or decent.
You're a bundle of joy.
His previous rugby related post
For me, I am always absolutely riveted by how much hype England has invested in their team, and if they lose, how nasty and generally awful the fuckers get.

With Wales we just expect to lose and we are like "or'ight butty, well played, yeah we were shit but you were awesome"..
The English are like
Blame the ref. Blame luck, blame the weather, blame absolutely everything, frown like rugby is a frowney competition and Owen Farrell is their king.
I know rugby is a professional sport on and off the pitch, perception. narrative = money...but can we not just do away with it for once?

It is not like this seasons six nations means anything really.
Lions selections don't depend on it.
It isn't even an indicator of performance during the world cup, unless it is "peak too early".
Just enjoy it.
If you lose, so what?
Lets all just be happy, pissed up amateur's.

Sing it with me.. my, my my ..Delileh..
The only thing he's consistent with is being a miserable cunt who hates the English
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JM2K6 wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:16 pm
inactionman wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:13 pm
Line6 HXFX wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:30 pm Well done and congrats England.
Gorra be honest if Wales won by "cheating" I wouldn't be too bothered either.

Rugby is a game for cheats.
I mean there is more morality and fairness and respect for the opposition in cage fighting. I have even seen soccer players tell the ref it wasn't a goal.
People play Rugby and go on to work in the city and lie and cheat their way into fortunes, manipulate the (insert financial mechanism here)and get to the top of politics etc.

So yeah carry on teaching it in schools.
"If you don't get caught kids, you ain't done nothing wrong".
Our whole UK economy relies on you honest bob, three for a fiver.. cheaty mc'cheaters..because fuck knows it isn't built on anything proper or decent.
You're a bundle of joy.
His previous rugby related post
For me, I am always absolutely riveted by how much hype England has invested in their team, and if they lose, how nasty and generally awful the fuckers get.

With Wales we just expect to lose and we are like "or'ight butty, well played, yeah we were shit but you were awesome"..
The English are like
Blame the ref. Blame luck, blame the weather, blame absolutely everything, frown like rugby is a frowney competition and Owen Farrell is their king.
I know rugby is a professional sport on and off the pitch, perception. narrative = money...but can we not just do away with it for once?

It is not like this seasons six nations means anything really.
Lions selections don't depend on it.
It isn't even an indicator of performance during the world cup, unless it is "peak too early".
Just enjoy it.
If you lose, so what?
Lets all just be happy, pissed up amateur's.

Sing it with me.. my, my my ..Delileh..
The only thing he's consistent with is being a miserable cunt who hates the English
He seems to hate almost everyone.
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JM2K6 wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:16 pm
The only thing he's consistent with is being a miserable cunt who hates the English
The Welsh default setting. And the Scottish.
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Kawazaki wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:28 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:16 pm
The only thing he's consistent with is being a miserable cunt who hates the English
The Welsh default setting. And the Scottish.
Bit harsh to tar all of them alongside this tosser!
Go and have a mug of Bovril and a lie down
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Ovals wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:19 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:16 pm
inactionman wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:13 pm

You're a bundle of joy.
His previous rugby related post
For me, I am always absolutely riveted by how much hype England has invested in their team, and if they lose, how nasty and generally awful the fuckers get.

With Wales we just expect to lose and we are like "or'ight butty, well played, yeah we were shit but you were awesome"..
The English are like
Blame the ref. Blame luck, blame the weather, blame absolutely everything, frown like rugby is a frowney competition and Owen Farrell is their king.
I know rugby is a professional sport on and off the pitch, perception. narrative = money...but can we not just do away with it for once?

It is not like this seasons six nations means anything really.
Lions selections don't depend on it.
It isn't even an indicator of performance during the world cup, unless it is "peak too early".
Just enjoy it.
If you lose, so what?
Lets all just be happy, pissed up amateur's.

Sing it with me.. my, my my ..Delileh..
The only thing he's consistent with is being a miserable cunt who hates the English
He seems to hate almost everyone.
He is Neil from The Young Ones

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C69 wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:07 am
Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:20 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:14 pm


It was Itoje. By miles.
I'd have gone for Itoje followed by Dombrandt. Players doing the more flashy stuff normally get the nod for MOTM though.
Tbh Faletau was just as good
:thumbup: :thumbup:
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Kawazaki wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:28 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:16 pm
The only thing he's consistent with is being a miserable cunt who hates the English
The Welsh default setting. And the Scottish.
Really not true though is it. Not liking you isn’t the same as not liking ‘the English’.
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Raggs wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:14 pm
ASMO wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:58 pm
Raggs wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:38 pm

u20s refs are normally very young, because the fitness requirements are basically the highest, the test they have to pass to qualify for it is the most strenuous. The women don't have to pass the same level as the men, but I presume it's still higher than the normal level they need to meet.
The women reffing the mens U20 games have been pretty bloody good, the French girl especially.
The one I saw doing the England Italy game (though i stopped watching about 60 minutes in) was definitely good.
The Italian that reffed the Scotland-France game struggled.

But not as much as the TV crew...
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Openside wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:54 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:07 am
Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:20 pm
I'd have gone for Itoje followed by Dombrandt. Players doing the more flashy stuff normally get the nod for MOTM though.
Tbh Faletau was just as good
:thumbup: :thumbup:
Given he is just back from injury, this is a scary prospect for when he will be ar 100% fitness :eek:

I thought Wales looked more dangerous than England and if they sort out Moriarty, they can beat anyone.
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TheFrog wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:40 pm
Openside wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:54 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:07 am
Tbh Faletau was just as good
:thumbup: :thumbup:
Given he is just back from injury, this is a scary prospect for when he will be ar 100% fitness :eek:

I thought Wales looked more dangerous than England and if they sort out Moriarty, they can beat anyone.
If Navidi is back next week and firing then its gonna be spicy.
A fit backrow of Tips Toby and Navidi is the best in the 6N
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C69 wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:47 pm
TheFrog wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:40 pm
Openside wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:54 pm

:thumbup: :thumbup:
Given he is just back from injury, this is a scary prospect for when he will be ar 100% fitness :eek:

I thought Wales looked more dangerous than England and if they sort out Moriarty, they can beat anyone.
If Navidi is back next week and firing then its gonna be spicy.
A fit backrow of Tips Toby and Navidi is the best in the 6N
Crufts is on, you’ll have to record the match.
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C69 wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:47 pm
A fit backrow of Tips Toby and Navidi is the best in the 6N
All decent players, but you'd want a lot of carrying in the tight 5 if you had plans other than defend and hope for penalties or reclaim the Bigger up and unders. I'm not sold the best backrow has such a lack of balance even if you could offset the carrying roles elsewhere
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sefton wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:50 pm
C69 wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:47 pm
TheFrog wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:40 pm

Given he is just back from injury, this is a scary prospect for when he will be ar 100% fitness :eek:

I thought Wales looked more dangerous than England and if they sort out Moriarty, they can beat anyone.
If Navidi is back next week and firing then its gonna be spicy.
A fit backrow of Tips Toby and Navidi is the best in the 6N
Crufts is on, you’ll have to record the match.
:clap: :clap: lovely shade thrown there!!
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