Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Mahoney]

For the purposes of research I went on a Tube ride to stare at women – and yes, I know how weird that sounds.

...

I tried a mix of stares – my best sexy stare, my pervy bloke stare and my just-escaped-from-the-mental-hospital stare – each for at least 30 seconds.

The Spectator is having a normal one:..

[Biffer]

Back on Ben Wallace, he spent his entire interview on R4 Today this morning calling Mishal Hussain 'Martha'.

While talking about respect for women in the workplace.

[fishfoodie]

Any rumours of the Tory porn fiend yet?

The field of runners is getting smaller, as Ministers make statements condemning the MP, I threw together a quick list of Front Benchers.

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Boris Johnson			Condemned MP
Mr Ben Wallace			Condemned MP
Jacob Rees-Mogg            	Condemned MP
Sajid Javid			Condemned MP
Chris Heaton-Harris		Condemned MP, & the Whip it was reported to.
Dominic Raab			Seated beside PM, after he'd have known Identity of MP
Brandon Lewis			Seated beside PM, after he'd have known Identity of MP
Nadhim Zahawi			Seated beside PM, after he'd have known Identity of MP
Mark Spencer			Chief Whip

The Usual Suspects....

Steve Barclay
Rishi Sunak
Michael Gove
Kwasi Kwarteng
Alok Sharma
George Eustice
Grant Shapps
Mr Alister Jack
Simon Hart
Michael Ellis
Oliver Dowden
Mr Simon Clarke
Kit Malthouse
Nigel Adams

[PCPhil]

So my horse “ ‘Charlie’Gove” is still in the running.

[fishfoodie]

So my horse “ ‘Charlie’Gove” is still in the running.

I won't even imagine what flavour of Porn tickles his fancy

[C69]

Well looking at the plethora of reports about HOC abuse of women across the board.
I suspect that there are not just skeletons in the closet that are going to be coming out.
There is going to be a whole catacomb of the tsunami of filth.
I doubt any party is going to be left unscathed.
Lots of historical rumours abounding atm.

[Insane_Homer]

while the dead horse porn story was breaking and getting everyone to look over there!!

The Policing Bill has passed and will soon receive Royal Assent. The UK is no longer a place where you are legally allowed to protest against the Government

Electoral commission is no longer independent.

NHS privatisation bill pushed through.

New voter ID law to solve a problem that didn't exist.

“If I am ever asked to produce my ID card as evidence that I am who I say I am I will take that card out of my wallet and physically eat it in the presence of whatever emanation of the state has demanded that I produce it.”
@BorisJohnson 2004

Boris claims he'll build a nuclear power station every year (no doubt right next to the 40 new hospitals).

Dumbfuck Nads on LBC claims the privatisation of Channel 5, 3-5 years ago, (it wasn't, ever) is the blueprint for CH 4 sell off.

JRM says without a hint of irony that if the Government went ahead with the Brexit import controls it would be "an act of self-harm"

Boris reasoning for being at his wife's party was to interview his wife's best friend for a job!?

Conservative MP Jamie Wallis was charged with failing to stop after a car crash last November.

Tory peer, Michelle Mone's home raided by police over multi-million pound PPE fraud probe.

Guilty sex offender Imran Ahmed Khan has finally resigned as MP, post dated it, to ensure he still gets a full months pay.

A slight bending of the rules (claiming the need for more time to redact it), means that Downing Street has missed the deadline (28 April) for publishing the Security services (M15) Lebedev Advice before appointing Leb to the HoL.

[derriz]

Yes, but Boris has a history of putting his foot in it.

I'm surprised that another one of his announcements during the India trip, that there is a "realistic possibility that Russia will win the war" didn't garner more attention? It was covered (for about a day) in the US media and it pissed the yanks off for sure - the US state department responded to press questions saying they did not agree with this assessment. The Ukrainians also released a statement in response - disagreeing with his assessment.

It was seen as potential encouragement to the Russians - that they stand to gain from their actions and that the commitment of the west to Ukrainian cause was conditional. If I was being charitable, I guess he was trying to warn against complacency but I don't feel any need to give the clown the benefit of the doubt.

[robmatic]

Yes, but Boris has a history of putting his foot in it.

I'm surprised that another one of his announcements during the India trip, that there is a "realistic possibility that Russia will win the war" didn't garner more attention? It was covered (for about a day) in the US media and it pissed the yanks off for sure - the US state department responded to press questions saying they did not agree with this assessment. The Ukrainians also released a statement in response - disagreeing with his assessment.

It was seen as potential encouragement to the Russians - that they stand to gain from their actions and that the commitment of the west to Ukrainian cause was conditional. If I was being charitable, I guess he was trying to warn against complacency but I don't feel any need to give the clown the benefit of the doubt.

Let's face it, he's not in any way a good statesman no matter how much he fantasizes about Churchill.

[SaintK]

Geoffrey Cox made 1m quid from lobbying for tax havens last year?! Not too bad.

It wasn't even for lobbying. He was representing the BVI government and their PM against accusations of corruption and misgovernance bought by the ex govenor who is a representative of our government.
Still, he managed to vote by proxy when there was a division in the commons..........so that's ok then and I'm suree his constituents are delighted.

Oh dear! Sir Geoffery's BVI clients in a spot of bother. Corruption? What corruption?

The premier of the British Virgin Islands (BVI) has been arrested in a sting operation in Miami on charges of conspiring to import cocaine into the United States and money laundering.
The BVI governor, John Rankin, confirmed in a statement that Andrew Fahie had been arrested on Thursday morning, saying: “I realise this will be shocking news for people in the territory. And I would call for calm at this time.”

Since January last year, Andrew Fahie has been the subject of an inquiry into allegations of misgovernment and corruption.
But now the premier of the British Overseas Territory is in custody, facing charges of drug trafficking and money laundering.
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said the arrest demonstrated the importance of the commission leading the inquiry, whose report she expected to be published soon
The commission hit the headlines last year when it emerged Mr Fahie was being defended by a Conservative MP, the former Attorney General, Sir Geoffrey Cox.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61266526

[fishfoodie]

while the dead horse porn story was breaking and getting everyone to look over there!!

The Policing Bill has passed and will soon receive Royal Assent. The UK is no longer a place where you are legally allowed to protest against the Government

Electoral commission is no longer independent.

NHS privatisation bill pushed through.

New voter ID law to solve a problem that didn't exist.

“If I am ever asked to produce my ID card as evidence that I am who I say I am I will take that card out of my wallet and physically eat it in the presence of whatever emanation of the state has demanded that I produce it.”
@BorisJohnson 2004

Boris claims he'll build a nuclear power station every year (no doubt right next to the 40 new hospitals).

Dumbfuck Nads on LBC claims the privatisation of Channel 5, 3-5 years ago, (it wasn't, ever) is the blueprint for CH 4 sell off.

JRM says without a hint of irony that if the Government went ahead with the Brexit import controls it would be "an act of self-harm"

Boris reasoning for being at his wife's party was to interview his wife's best friend for a job!?

Conservative MP Jamie Wallis was charged with failing to stop after a car crash last November.

Tory peer, Michelle Mone's home raided by police over multi-million pound PPE fraud probe.

Guilty sex offender Imran Ahmed Khan has finally resigned as MP, post dated it, to ensure he still gets a full months pay.

A slight bending of the rules (claiming the need for more time to redact it), means that Downing Street has missed the deadline (28 April) for publishing the Security services (M15) Lebedev Advice before appointing Leb to the HoL.

all you missed was the passing of the vile, racist, illegal, & financially ruinous Immigration Bill.

It's amazing how efficient the Torys can be when the destroying the Nation,

[fishfoodie]

Another record I'm surprised the Bumblecunt didn't take credit for ..

[Hal Jordan]

all you missed was the passing of the vile, racist, illegal, & financially ruinous Immigration Bill.

It's amazing how efficient the Torys can be when the destroying the Nation,

If it were happening in a "Third World" country it would be calles a failed state or Banana Republic.

Although I suppose we're a Banana Constitutional Monarchy.

[fishfoodie]

all you missed was the passing of the vile, racist, illegal, & financially ruinous Immigration Bill.

It's amazing how efficient the Torys can be when the destroying the Nation,

If it were happening in a "Third World" country it would be calles a failed state or Banana Republic.

Although I suppose we're a Banana Constitutional Monarchy.

It's painful to watch.

You're basically the dictionary definition of a boiled frog; the majority of the population will wake up in decades time, & wonder how the fuck they got to where they are.

[tabascoboy]

It seems that "misspoke" is the new way to say "I got caught out trying to sell a lie"

[SaintK]

It seems that "misspoke" is the new way to say "I got caught out trying to sell a lie"

Mad Nad "misspeaks" every time she opens her mouth.
She's as about on top of her brief as the Wicked Witch of Witham at the Home Office
Have there ever been two more useless Secretary's of State?

[PCPhil]

Picking at a ‘Nit’ is a very accurate description.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Nadine is going to be very busy trying to deal with a problem she inherited with the sale of the national lottery to Allwyn taking the handling of the business away from Camelot, and into the bargain linking the lottery with a Russian oligarch. The whole deal may now be for shit, and the lawyers for the failed bidders are set to go to town on the Gambling Commission and DCMS.

About the best you can say for Dorries is things would be worse if Chris Grayling was put in charge, but if you want to get an idea how DCMS is going to handle this don't ask DCMS, they've haven't got a Scooby

[Insane_Homer]

Another record I'm surprised the Bumblecunt didn't take credit for ..

World beating?

[Insane_Homer]

[Rinkals]

That's right up there with Trump calling himself the most honest man alive.

Still, his base [their bases] will swallow it hook line and sinker and abuse anyone who disagrees.

[Plim]

I’m very surprised this thread can’t find time to acknowledge Jolyon’s latest defeat.

It’s all here if you want to read it: https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.c ... +(project)

However much you hate this government, and there are plenty of good reasons to hate it, you’d have to agree that Jolyon’s walk-on part in opposing it has been comedy gold.

GLP’s costs bill is apparently £125,000.

[C69]

I’m very surprised this thread can’t find time to acknowledge Jolyon’s latest defeat.

It’s all here if you want to read it: https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.c ... +(project)

However much you hate this government, and there are plenty of good reasons to hate it, you’d have to agree that Jolyon’s walk-on part in opposing it has been comedy gold.

GLP’s costs bill is apparently £125,000.

Who is Jolyon?

[SaintK]

I’m very surprised this thread can’t find time to acknowledge Jolyon’s latest defeat.

It’s all here if you want to read it: https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.c ... +(project)

However much you hate this government, and there are plenty of good reasons to hate it, you’d have to agree that Jolyon’s walk-on part in opposing it has been comedy gold.

GLP’s costs bill is apparently £125,000.

Christ!!! That link is just about unreadable...........in more ways than one
What does it say about cabinet ministers and other Tory party officials using private Whatsapp messaging for government business......then conveniently someone wiping their phones?

[Tichtheid]

I’m very surprised this thread can’t find time to acknowledge Jolyon’s latest defeat.

It’s all here if you want to read it: https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.c ... +(project)

However much you hate this government, and there are plenty of good reasons to hate it, you’d have to agree that Jolyon’s walk-on part in opposing it has been comedy gold.

GLP’s costs bill is apparently £125,000.

From what I can gather the GLP's case was that the Government should not be using private phones and email accounts to conduct government business where vast sums of public money is changing hands because these communications can be, and have been, deleted and become untraceable by any auditing system.

That doesn't seem like an unreasonable position to me.

The court agreed with the Gov's argument that, as things stand, there is no legal duty for them to behave otherwise.

However, "in view of the importance of the issues" the court granted the GLP leave to appeal the decision.

[Tichtheid]

The court agreed with the Gov's argument that, as things stand, there is no legal duty for them to behave otherwise.

I find this a bit weird to be honest, as in my wife's previous places of work in the public sector leaving holes in the audit paper trail was a very serious matter.

[JM2K6]

I’m very surprised this thread can’t find time to acknowledge Jolyon’s latest defeat.

It’s all here if you want to read it: https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.c ... +(project)

However much you hate this government, and there are plenty of good reasons to hate it, you’d have to agree that Jolyon’s walk-on part in opposing it has been comedy gold.

GLP’s costs bill is apparently £125,000.

This thread largely isn't about the GLP and even people who appreciate their work - like me! - primarily care about and talk about other things on this thread, and in case you've not been paying attention there's some major shit going down at the moment. That document was published today, and the judgment was made public, what, 4 hours ago? You might be a teensie bit obsessed with the GLP, or more accurately with Maugham. Having said that, I don't see Jolyon Maugham's name anywhere in that document...

On the face of it, this was actually a useful case to bring. Having important communications recorded is a bulwark against corruption, which is a live worry with this government. I have no idea if the GLP will prevail with their appeal, but personally I hope they do. I cannot see how it is good for the future health of democracy in this country if ministers are able to conduct business with no audit trail. Note that's not the same as me claiming it's unlawful - because right now we know it's not.

Which is slightly mad, all things considered.

[Insane_Homer]

&

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-gov ... s-12599918

The government acted unlawfully by discharging untested hospital patients into care homes during the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic, the High Court has ruled.

[SaintK]

I'm sure the good people of Honiton and Tiverton will be delighted with this news. I wonder how far up his back his arm was to go ahead and report himself. Yet another U turn as only last night the blonde slug said it should go through the complaints procedure!

The Conservative MP Neil Parish has been identified as the backbencher accused of watching pornography in the Commons chamber, the Telegraph reports. He has had the whip withdrawn, and has reported himself to Commons standards committee.

A spokesperson for the chief whip, Chris Heaton-Harris, said:

Having spoken to the chief whip this afternoon, Neil Parish MP is reporting himself to the Standards Committee of the House of Commons.

Mr Parish has been suspended from the Conservative Whip pending the outcome of that investigation.

The Telegraph says Parish, who represents Tiverton and Honiton in Devon, reported himself to the committee after a conversation with Heaton-Harris.

Originally the Tory whips said the allegation about the MP watching porn in the chamber should be dealt with through the more secretary independent complaints and grievance scheme, but this led to complaints that the party was seeking to bury the controversy. Keir Starmer said the Tories should take action themselves.

[Insane_Homer]

So when did he lose/change/swap/fush/drop his phone?

[tabascoboy]

And yet latest opinion poll in the Fail shows Tory support steady at around 33%, Labour increasing their lead but at the expense of the LIb Dems it seems. Makes you wonder just what needs to happen to provoke a change, but hopefully the actual Local Elections will show a real and growing dissatisfaction.

[Plim]

I’m very surprised this thread can’t find time to acknowledge Jolyon’s latest defeat.

It’s all here if you want to read it: https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.c ... +(project)

However much you hate this government, and there are plenty of good reasons to hate it, you’d have to agree that Jolyon’s walk-on part in opposing it has been comedy gold.

GLP’s costs bill is apparently £125,000.

This thread largely isn't about the GLP and even people who appreciate their work - like me! - primarily care about and talk about other things on this thread, and in case you've not been paying attention there's some major shit going down at the moment. That document was published today, and the judgment was made public, what, 4 hours ago? You might be a teensie bit obsessed with the GLP, or more accurately with Maugham. Having said that, I don't see Jolyon Maugham's name anywhere in that document...

On the face of it, this was actually a useful case to bring. Having important communications recorded is a bulwark against corruption, which is a live worry with this government. I have no idea if the GLP will prevail with their appeal, but personally I hope they do. I cannot see how it is good for the future health of democracy in this country if ministers are able to conduct business with no audit trail. Note that's not the same as me claiming it's unlawful - because right now we know it's not.

Which is slightly mad, all things considered.

I get notifications of judgment hand-downs. That’s how I know. The GLP’s adventures just turn up with comical regularity.

The main shit that’s going down is being discussed on the Ukraine thread. And although party political comments get thrown in there I leave them alone. Because that seems a crass place for people to try to score domestic political points.

[SaintK]

So when did he lose/change/swap/fush/drop his phone?

[JM2K6]

I’m very surprised this thread can’t find time to acknowledge Jolyon’s latest defeat.

It’s all here if you want to read it: https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.c ... +(project)

However much you hate this government, and there are plenty of good reasons to hate it, you’d have to agree that Jolyon’s walk-on part in opposing it has been comedy gold.

GLP’s costs bill is apparently £125,000.

This thread largely isn't about the GLP and even people who appreciate their work - like me! - primarily care about and talk about other things on this thread, and in case you've not been paying attention there's some major shit going down at the moment. That document was published today, and the judgment was made public, what, 4 hours ago? You might be a teensie bit obsessed with the GLP, or more accurately with Maugham. Having said that, I don't see Jolyon Maugham's name anywhere in that document...

On the face of it, this was actually a useful case to bring. Having important communications recorded is a bulwark against corruption, which is a live worry with this government. I have no idea if the GLP will prevail with their appeal, but personally I hope they do. I cannot see how it is good for the future health of democracy in this country if ministers are able to conduct business with no audit trail. Note that's not the same as me claiming it's unlawful - because right now we know it's not.

Which is slightly mad, all things considered.

I get notifications of judgment hand-downs. That’s how I know. The GLP’s adventures just turn up with comical regularity.

The main shit that’s going down is being discussed on the Ukraine thread. And although party political comments get thrown in there I leave them alone. Because that seems a crass place for people to try to score domestic political points.

Er... There's more than a few things happening on the domestic front, champ. It's not just about the war.

I note you didn't bother to address the comments about the judgment itself. Happy with their decision?

[Insane_Homer]

Parish resignation to trigger a bi-erection?

[PCPhil]

Parish resignation to trigger a bi-erection?

Think he’s got a grip on his majority.

[Hal Jordan]

&

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-gov ... s-12599918

The government acted unlawfully by discharging untested hospital patients into care homes during the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic, the High Court has ruled.

Yeah but GLP.

[Plim]

This thread largely isn't about the GLP and even people who appreciate their work - like me! - primarily care about and talk about other things on this thread, and in case you've not been paying attention there's some major shit going down at the moment. That document was published today, and the judgment was made public, what, 4 hours ago? You might be a teensie bit obsessed with the GLP, or more accurately with Maugham. Having said that, I don't see Jolyon Maugham's name anywhere in that document...

On the face of it, this was actually a useful case to bring. Having important communications recorded is a bulwark against corruption, which is a live worry with this government. I have no idea if the GLP will prevail with their appeal, but personally I hope they do. I cannot see how it is good for the future health of democracy in this country if ministers are able to conduct business with no audit trail. Note that's not the same as me claiming it's unlawful - because right now we know it's not.

Which is slightly mad, all things considered.

I get notifications of judgment hand-downs. That’s how I know. The GLP’s adventures just turn up with comical regularity.

The main shit that’s going down is being discussed on the Ukraine thread. And although party political comments get thrown in there I leave them alone. Because that seems a crass place for people to try to score domestic political points.

Er... There's more than a few things happening on the domestic front, champ. It's not just about the war.

I note you didn't bother to address the comments about the judgment itself. Happy with their decision?

I didn’t bother commenting on the decision because I expect any reasonable comment that doesn’t fit the agenda on this thread to be wilfully misrepresented or accused of being whataboutery.

But the issue that you seem to think is solely about the Tories and ‘corruption’ is universal. It isn’t any necessary indicator of wrongdoing that discussions are not recorded. The issue is the substance of the discussions.

GLP and AtC just wanted to allege rule breaking because of the use of messaging apps. There was no evidence at all of improper use. As the judgment says, there’s nothing wrong with a communications policy or ephemeral messages being destroyed.

Millions upon millions of government and government agency emails are deleted every single day and always have been. Billions of words are spoken in those bodies that are not written down. None of this is improper or unlawful per se.

What the court held was that the communications policy that allows the use of apps is not reviewable or, more to the point, unlawful in its scope. How could it be? It would otherwise amount to a legal obligation to record and release every word uttered by a minister.

You may not like me saying it, but Blair was notorious for unrecorded sofa chats with ministers and advisors. The answer was that it was not recordable government business. I know, I know…“but this is the Tories, it must have been corrupt”.

[JM2K6]

So you're comparing chats with other ministers with the conversations that lead to huge contracts being awarded to Tory donors and friends of MPs, outside of the usual tender process?

Why bother recording anything, then. Just do it all via WhatsApp and delete it all if anyone asks to see it.

[Plim]

So you're comparing chats with other ministers with the conversations that lead to huge contracts being awarded to Tory donors and friends of MPs, outside of the usual tender process?

Why bother recording anything, then. Just do it all via WhatsApp and delete it all if anyone asks to see it.

How do you know that the WhatsApp conversations led to huge contracts or any other significant decisions outside the proper processes?

If there was proof of misfeasance or fraud it wouldn’t be a case for the Administrative Court.