Ireland in NZ

[not_english]

I don't actually think there is that much difference between Ireland NZ France and England and sth africa I imagine NZ will be bookies favourites for the next game.

All the other teams have weaknesses at the moment too.

[Dan54]

I don't actually think there is that much difference between Ireland NZ France and England and sth africa I imagine NZ will be bookies favourites for the next game.

All the other teams have weaknesses at the moment too.

I tend to agree not english, we have got to the time when any real rugby fan should be enjoying, there is serious depth in World rugby, and not just a couple of teams ruling the roost. I think even look at Scots/Argentina series and Georgia beating Italy for first time, it's probably a bit hard for the pretend fans who only support winning teams, but for a sorts/rugby fan it's pretty good for game.

[Gumboot]

I don't actually think there is that much difference between Ireland NZ France and England and sth africa I imagine NZ will be bookies favourites for the next game.

All the other teams have weaknesses at the moment too.

I tend to agree not english, we have got to the time when any real rugby fan should be enjoying, there is serious depth in World rugby, and not just a couple of teams ruling the roost. I think even look at Scots/Argentina series and Georgia beating Italy for first time, it's probably a bit hard for the pretend fans who only support winning teams, but for a sorts/rugby fan it's pretty good for game.

While it may suit you to try and paint this as some sort of binary "real" fans vs "pretend" fans thing Dan, I don't see it that way at all. For me it's about the dismal slide in the All Blacks playing and coaching standards. As a life-long ABs fan, I find it pretty bloody hard to accept that the last couple of years of scratchy performances and lack of consistent progress has been largely self-inflicted. Something needs fixing, and fast.

[Tichtheid]

I don't actually think there is that much difference between Ireland NZ France and England and sth africa I imagine NZ will be bookies favourites for the next game.

All the other teams have weaknesses at the moment too.

I tend to agree not english, we have got to the time when any real rugby fan should be enjoying, there is serious depth in World rugby, and not just a couple of teams ruling the roost. I think even look at Scots/Argentina series and Georgia beating Italy for first time, it's probably a bit hard for the pretend fans who only support winning teams, but for a sorts/rugby fan it's pretty good for game.

While it may suit you to try and paint this as some sort of binary "real" fans vs "pretend" fans thing Dan, I don't see it that way at all. For me it's about the dismal slide in the All Blacks playing and coaching standards. As a life-long ABs fan, I find it pretty bloody hard to accept that the last couple of years of scratchy performances and lack of consistent progress has been largely self-inflicted. Something needs fixing, and fast.

I think New Zealanders have been a bit spoiled in the last two decades , aye the ABs have always been great and they are the Gold Standard, but the teams that Ruchie and Carter (shorthand) were part of were exceptional in the true sense of the word.

They were the best sports teams of all time, it's not really reasonable to expect that to continue for ever.

[Grandpa]

I tend to agree not english, we have got to the time when any real rugby fan should be enjoying, there is serious depth in World rugby, and not just a couple of teams ruling the roost. I think even look at Scots/Argentina series and Georgia beating Italy for first time, it's probably a bit hard for the pretend fans who only support winning teams, but for a sorts/rugby fan it's pretty good for game.

While it may suit you to try and paint this as some sort of binary "real" fans vs "pretend" fans thing Dan, I don't see it that way at all. For me it's about the dismal slide in the All Blacks playing and coaching standards. As a life-long ABs fan, I find it pretty bloody hard to accept that the last couple of years of scratchy performances and lack of consistent progress has been largely self-inflicted. Something needs fixing, and fast.

I think New Zealanders have been a bit spoiled in the last two decades , aye the ABs have always been great and they are the Gold Standard, but the teams that Ruchie and Carter (shorthand) were part of were exceptional in the true sense of the word.

They were the best sports teams of all time, it's not really reasonable to expect that to continue for ever.

We don't expect it to continue... we expect it to get even better... forever sated in the aura of increasing invincibility...

[Tichtheid]

While it may suit you to try and paint this as some sort of binary "real" fans vs "pretend" fans thing Dan, I don't see it that way at all. For me it's about the dismal slide in the All Blacks playing and coaching standards. As a life-long ABs fan, I find it pretty bloody hard to accept that the last couple of years of scratchy performances and lack of consistent progress has been largely self-inflicted. Something needs fixing, and fast.

I think New Zealanders have been a bit spoiled in the last two decades , aye the ABs have always been great and they are the Gold Standard, but the teams that Ruchie and Carter (shorthand) were part of were exceptional in the true sense of the word.

They were the best sports teams of all time, it's not really reasonable to expect that to continue for ever.

We don't expect it to continue... we expect it to get even better... forever sated in the aura of increasing invincibility...

My first international was Graham Mourie's All Blacks at Murrayfield. I was about 12 or 13.

It's been a difficult road as a Scotland supporter since then.

[Grandpa]

I think New Zealanders have been a bit spoiled in the last two decades , aye the ABs have always been great and they are the Gold Standard, but the teams that Ruchie and Carter (shorthand) were part of were exceptional in the true sense of the word.

They were the best sports teams of all time, it's not really reasonable to expect that to continue for ever.

We don't expect it to continue... we expect it to get even better... forever sated in the aura of increasing invincibility...

My first international was Graham Mourie's All Blacks at Murrayfield. I was about 12 or 13.

It's been a difficult road as a Scotland supporter since then.

I could have supported England... being born there. My dad wanted me to... but growing up in NZ... and after watching England and the All Blacks through the 70s... there was no way I could support England...

It is all about expectations... once Scotland win a world cup... you'll want more...

[Tichtheid]

I could have supported England... being born there. My dad wanted me to... but growing up in NZ... and after watching England and the All Blacks through the 70s... there was no way I could support England...

It is all about expectations... once Scotland win a world cup... you'll want more...

Oh I, we, want more, we are reigning Five Nations champions

We just never really got the professionalism thing right

[Grandpa]

I could have supported England... being born there. My dad wanted me to... but growing up in NZ... and after watching England and the All Blacks through the 70s... there was no way I could support England...

It is all about expectations... once Scotland win a world cup... you'll want more...

Oh I, we, want more, we are reigning Five Nations champions

We just never really got the professionalism thing right

I wanted to be Andy Irvine when I was a kid...

[Tichtheid]

I could have supported England... being born there. My dad wanted me to... but growing up in NZ... and after watching England and the All Blacks through the 70s... there was no way I could support England...

It is all about expectations... once Scotland win a world cup... you'll want more...

Oh I, we, want more, we are reigning Five Nations champions

We just never really got the professionalism thing right

I wanted to be Andy Irvine when I was a kid...

Hrmm, he made me look like a fool, when he was an old man

I loved him too, him, Jim Renwick and John Rutherford from that sort of time

https://www.notplanetrugby.com/viewtopi ... 477#p92477

[Grandpa]

Oh I, we, want more, we are reigning Five Nations champions

We just never really got the professionalism thing right

I wanted to be Andy Irvine when I was a kid...

Hrmm, he made me look like a fool, when he was an old man

I loved him too, him, Jim Renwick and John Rutherford from that sort of time

https://www.notplanetrugby.com/viewtopi ... 477#p92477

brilliant! I was just mesmerised by him when he toured with the Lions in the 70s.. you did well to hit the same dirt he was standing on!

[Dan54]

I don't actually think there is that much difference between Ireland NZ France and England and sth africa I imagine NZ will be bookies favourites for the next game.

All the other teams have weaknesses at the moment too.

I tend to agree not english, we have got to the time when any real rugby fan should be enjoying, there is serious depth in World rugby, and not just a couple of teams ruling the roost. I think even look at Scots/Argentina series and Georgia beating Italy for first time, it's probably a bit hard for the pretend fans who only support winning teams, but for a sorts/rugby fan it's pretty good for game.

While it may suit you to try and paint this as some sort of binary "real" fans vs "pretend" fans thing Dan, I don't see it that way at all. For me it's about the dismal slide in the All Blacks playing and coaching standards. As a life-long ABs fan, I find it pretty bloody hard to accept that the last couple of years of scratchy performances and lack of consistent progress has been largely self-inflicted. Something needs fixing, and fast.

I also a lifelong supporter of ABs, (but I will add I was saying by fans , I meant rugby fan not AB fan, I just love the game and watch it everywhere, in no way rubbishing some who aren't the same) and have seen us go through troughs before where we pull out our hair etc, and we have come off a golden period where we were belessed with a team with probably half team would make world xv ,and some all time great, our U20s were steamrolling the world cup etc, but that stopped a bit, but then we got caught again and quite honestly look at our super teams, we would struggle in Heinekin cup etc, we are at moment struggling to have depth that pushes our top players even higher as what was happening last couple of decades at least.
I agree we have to try and get back on top, but it won't happen overnight. Hell some of the years I have been through following the ABs (before internet etc) we have seen same thing.
Man how did you handle the bad years during the 70s, bad patch in 80s, and 90s weren't that dominant? I will add late 80s where we absolutely dominated, rugby was getting quite meh it seemed.

[Grandpa]

I tend to agree not english, we have got to the time when any real rugby fan should be enjoying, there is serious depth in World rugby, and not just a couple of teams ruling the roost. I think even look at Scots/Argentina series and Georgia beating Italy for first time, it's probably a bit hard for the pretend fans who only support winning teams, but for a sorts/rugby fan it's pretty good for game.

While it may suit you to try and paint this as some sort of binary "real" fans vs "pretend" fans thing Dan, I don't see it that way at all. For me it's about the dismal slide in the All Blacks playing and coaching standards. As a life-long ABs fan, I find it pretty bloody hard to accept that the last couple of years of scratchy performances and lack of consistent progress has been largely self-inflicted. Something needs fixing, and fast.

I also a lifelong supporter of ABs, (but I will add I was saying by fans , I meant rugby fan not AB fan, I just love the game and watch it everywhere, in no way rubbishing some who aren't the same) and have seen us go through troughs before where we pull out our hair etc, and we have come off a golden period where we were belessed with a team with probably half team would make world xv ,and some all time great, our U20s were steamrolling the world cup etc, but that stopped a bit, but then we got caught again and quite honestly look at our super teams, we would struggle in Heinekin cup etc, we are at moment struggling to have depth that pushes our top players even higher as what was happening last couple of decades at least.
I agree we have to try and get back on top, but it won't happen overnight. Hell some of the years I have been through following the ABs (before internet etc) we have seen same thing.
Man how did you handle the bad years during the 70s, bad patch in 80s, and 90s weren't that dominant? I will add late 80s where we absolutely dominated, rugby was getting quite meh it seemed.

That period 98 to 2003 was probably the most frustrating period comparable to now from an All Black fan point of view. It was hard to see how we were going to get back to the top table until Ted took over and seemed to transform our style overnight... suddenly the forwards had some mongrel...

[Ymx]

We have no shortage of depth I can see.

[Gumboot]

Maori vs Ireland in Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara tonight:

Māori All Blacks: Josh Moorby, Shaun Stevenson, Bailyn Sullivan, Alex Nankivell, Connor Garden-Bachop, Josh Ioane, TJ Perenara (c), Cullen Grace, Billy Harmon, Reed Prinsep, Isaia Walker-Leawere, Maanaki Selby-Rickit, Tyrel Lomax, Kurt Eklund, Ollie Norris.
Reserves: Leni Apisai, Tamaiti Williams, Marcel Renata, Max Hicks, Caleb Delany, Brad Weber, Ruben Love, Billy Proctor.

Ireland: Michael Lowry, Jordan Larmour, Keith Earls (c), Stuart McCloskey, Jimmy O’Brien, Ciaran Frawley, Craig Casey, Gavin Coomes, Nick Timoney, Cian Prendergast, Kieran Treadwell, Joe McCarthy, Tom O’Toole, Niall Scannell, Jeremy Loughman.
Reserves: Rob Herring, Ed Byrne, Finlay Bealham, Ryan Baird, Jack Conan, Conor Murray, Joey Carbery, Mack Hansen.


No Zarn Sullivan - haven't heard if he's injured..?

[Guy Smiley]

Zaaaaaaarn was my star pick last time out, disappointed he's not playing.

My last nightshift tonight before a week off, some keen rugby fans will be clustered around the wifi spots underground tonight. Love to see them win again, playing the same style.

[PCPhil]

C’in ell. 30C+ in uk. You guys playing water polo down there?

[Gumboot]

Looks like a typical balmy winter evening in the capital.

[Enzedder]

C’in ell. 30C+ in uk. You guys playing water polo down there?

She's been a wet few days, that is for sure. I don't dare walk on my back lawn

[Gumboot]

Full squad Haka.

[Enzedder]

Gee, it's a simple game when you do the basics well

[PCPhil]

Gee, it's a simple game when you do the basics well

Especially when playing a team that does the basic badly.

[Gumboot]

Snecky

[Enzedder]

Gee TJ really is poor now. He is just crabbing across the field and they run out of room every time

[salanya]

Lots of ticket holders must have forgotten about the match. Or maybe got the time wrong?

[Gumboot]

Outstanding work by Ireland after just conceding a YC.

[Enzedder]

Lots of ticket holders must have forgotten about the match. Or maybe got the time wrong?

It was bucketing down until just before kickoff. My daughter described it as like being under a waterfall. Many would have changed their mind I guess.

[Enzedder]

Our passing is not good - players having to reach back to pull in the ball - and its wet

[PCPhil]

Lots of ticket holders must have forgotten about the match. Or maybe got the time wrong?

It was bucketing down until just before kickoff. My daughter described it as like being under a waterfall. Many would have changed their mind I guess.

Bit o rain n’er hurt no one!

[Gumboot]

Our passing is not good - players having to reach back to pull in the ball - and its wet

Not good at all - too hard, too high... all a bit rushed. And the Irish dirt-trackers are playing very well indeed.

[PCPhil]

Nothing like a bit of consistency ey?

[PCPhil]

Nothing like a bit of consistency ey?

It's also utterly utterly retarded on every level. Irish player is right beside him so by its very nature makes the tackle. The fact they can't draw that line is eye rollingly bad

To be fair if the single eye you have is rolling at that precise moment then easily missed.

[PCPhil]

If you aren't enraged by this you hate rugby and fairness and sexual congress

throttle is back jus a tad, they’re lying low….

[Gumboot]

Weber speeding things up, but the passes still not sticking.

[Gumboot]

FFS

[OomStruisbaai]

Maoris kicking.

[Gumboot]

Maoris kicking.

It's shit. They're so far off their game in most areas, but also Ireland are much better than last time.

[OomStruisbaai]

That's the game

[OomStruisbaai]

Maoris kicking.

It's shit. They're so far off their game in most areas, but also Ireland are much better than last time.

Just show what confidence can make.

[OomStruisbaai]

The ref is very good.