Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Slick]

Torq does it again…

It did seem to escalate somewhat

He does it all the time, lobs in a known racist trope, watches the shitfight develop then claims it couldn’t possibly be racist because his background is terribly diverse.

[Biffer]

Torq does it again…

It did seem to escalate somewhat

And yet you’re the one that kicked it on

[ia801310]

The more I watch the more I like Badenoch. I really think she has a good chance of winning this. Often it is a late charger than wins the competition.

[C69]

Torq does it again…

It did seem to escalate somewhat

And yet you’re the one that kicked it on

I asked a question, made little comment and was called a racist.
Just a typical Tuesday night it seems.

[Biffer]

It did seem to escalate somewhat

And yet you’re the one that kicked it on

I asked a question, made little comment and was called a racist.
Just a typical Tuesday night it seems.

Do you understand why it was seen as racist now though?

[sockwithaticket]

The banana boat thing is a well known racist trope. If you don’t know that you’re either very, very sheltered or deliberately playing dumb.

Count me very sheltered, could you elaborate?

Banana boats were fast ships used to ship bananas from the West Indies to the UK. The term was popularised in the UK in The Banana Boat song sung by Harry Belafonte in the 50s. The term fell into popular use as “came on the banana boat” being a way to describe immigrants who had come from the West Indies, I.e. Afro Caribbeans.

Ta, that's completely new info for me.

Perhaps an age thing as Gog said, I'm early 30s. First thing that popped into my head when I saw it was the inflatable beach staple.

[C69]

And yet you’re the one that kicked it on

I asked a question, made little comment and was called a racist.
Just a typical Tuesday night it seems.

Do you understand why it was seen as racist now though?

Why what was seen as racist?

[Biffer]

I asked a question, made little comment and was called a racist.
Just a typical Tuesday night it seems.

Do you understand why it was seen as racist now though?

Why what was seen as racist?

The original phrase about banana boats

[Raggs]

Count me very sheltered, could you elaborate?

Banana boats were fast ships used to ship bananas from the West Indies to the UK. The term was popularised in the UK in The Banana Boat song sung by Harry Belafonte in the 50s. The term fell into popular use as “came on the banana boat” being a way to describe immigrants who had come from the West Indies, I.e. Afro Caribbeans.

Ta, that's completely new info for me.

Perhaps an age thing as Gog said, I'm early 30s. First thing that popped into my head when I saw it was the inflatable beach staple.

Late 30's thought exactly the same. Inflatables, the sort that unfortunate desperate refugees come across on.

[ia801310]

Count me very sheltered, could you elaborate?

Banana boats were fast ships used to ship bananas from the West Indies to the UK. The term was popularised in the UK in The Banana Boat song sung by Harry Belafonte in the 50s. The term fell into popular use as “came on the banana boat” being a way to describe immigrants who had come from the West Indies, I.e. Afro Caribbeans.

Ta, that's completely new info for me.

Perhaps an age thing as Gog said, I'm early 30s. First thing that popped into my head when I saw it was the inflatable beach staple.

Good job you found out now then!! I wouldn't want you using the term accidentally at work and getting yourself into trouble with HR.

Everyday is a school day

[C69]

Do you understand why it was seen as racist now though?

Why what was seen as racist?

The original phrase about banana boats

I haven't said it is not. My point stands that there was no mention of skin colur

[ia801310]

Banana boats were fast ships used to ship bananas from the West Indies to the UK. The term was popularised in the UK in The Banana Boat song sung by Harry Belafonte in the 50s. The term fell into popular use as “came on the banana boat” being a way to describe immigrants who had come from the West Indies, I.e. Afro Caribbeans.

Ta, that's completely new info for me.

Perhaps an age thing as Gog said, I'm early 30s. First thing that popped into my head when I saw it was the inflatable beach staple.

Late 30's thought exactly the same. Inflatables, the sort that unfortunate desperate refugees come across on.

Good job you found out now then!! I wouldn't want you using the term accidentally at work and getting yourself into trouble with HR.

Everyday is a school day

[fishfoodie]

Having Mad Nad on your side is definitely not that much of an asset

[sockwithaticket]

Count me very sheltered, could you elaborate?

Banana boats were fast ships used to ship bananas from the West Indies to the UK. The term was popularised in the UK in The Banana Boat song sung by Harry Belafonte in the 50s. The term fell into popular use as “came on the banana boat” being a way to describe immigrants who had come from the West Indies, I.e. Afro Caribbeans.

Hence packed off on the banana boat is black people going back to where they came from.

The defence of ‘oh but that’s a different group of not white people’ is specious, dishonest and quite frankly is the defence of a racist.

I probably didn't explain very well there and maybe I can't because there isn't one, but there's a lot of stuff out there about the specificity of racism. If someone called a non - Central or South American a wetback, it's a little off, but I wouldn't immediately think racist because there's not that same terminological association.

[ia801310]

Having Mad Nad on your side is definitely not that much of an asset

I can't work out from that post who's side Nadine Dorries is on?

I wouldn't want her on my side though

[Biffer]

Why what was seen as racist?

The original phrase about banana boats

I haven't said it is not. My point stands that there was no mention of skin colur

Jesus wept. Can you define racism in a way that doesn’t include skin colour as a form of it?

[sockwithaticket]

The banana boat thing is a well known racist trope. If you don’t know that you’re either very, very sheltered or deliberately playing dumb.

Count me very sheltered, could you elaborate?

You know full well what it means as you just explained the meaning in the post above.

You are basically saying that it is OK to be racist if you are left wing.

In my head any connection between black and banana is the sorry history of likening black people to monkeys, Biffers info was a completely new angle.

[Biffer]

Count me very sheltered, could you elaborate?

You know full well what it means as you just explained the meaning in the post above.

You are basically saying that it is OK to be racist if you are left wing.

In my head any connection between black and banana is the sorry history of likening black people to monkeys, Biffers info was a completely new angle.

It’s very much related to the Windrush generation.

[ia801310]

The original phrase about banana boats

I haven't said it is not. My point stands that there was no mention of skin colur

Jesus wept. Can you define racism in a way that doesn’t include skin colour as a form of it?

Don't feed the Troll

[Biffer]

Banana boats were fast ships used to ship bananas from the West Indies to the UK. The term was popularised in the UK in The Banana Boat song sung by Harry Belafonte in the 50s. The term fell into popular use as “came on the banana boat” being a way to describe immigrants who had come from the West Indies, I.e. Afro Caribbeans.

Hence packed off on the banana boat is black people going back to where they came from.

The defence of ‘oh but that’s a different group of not white people’ is specious, dishonest and quite frankly is the defence of a racist.

I probably didn't explain very well there and maybe I can't because there isn't one, but there's a lot of stuff out there about the specificity of racism. If someone called a non - Central or South American a wetback, it's a little off, but I wouldn't immediately think racist because there's not that same terminological association.

British people are historically less likely to make a distinction tbh. Not white is not white.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

None of this opportunity to deflect changes that Patel's policy is to deny many families in the same situation as the Patels, or indeed a Mo Farah, a right to remain. Anyone in the same situation as the Zahawi family would likely be fine as they had money.

But, it isn't remotely new thinking people want to pull up the drawbridge once they've arrived

[Slick]

Banana boats were fast ships used to ship bananas from the West Indies to the UK. The term was popularised in the UK in The Banana Boat song sung by Harry Belafonte in the 50s. The term fell into popular use as “came on the banana boat” being a way to describe immigrants who had come from the West Indies, I.e. Afro Caribbeans.

Ta, that's completely new info for me.

Perhaps an age thing as Gog said, I'm early 30s. First thing that popped into my head when I saw it was the inflatable beach staple.

Late 30's thought exactly the same. Inflatables, the sort that unfortunate desperate refugees come across on.

I’m amazed by that, but absolutely fair enough. I guess early 40’s must be the cut off point for that phrase which is quite interesting in itself

[fishfoodie]

With an STV to all Tory MPs, they could cut out two weeks of fucking around, & reduce this circus of deeply unfunny clowns, into two shit clowns.


.... but at least in those two weeks we get to see them tearing each other apart

[C69]

Will the Mourduant really be in the running?
Voted remain and for trans rights, this may be a tad too liberal elite for many Shire voters.

It's going to be a get Sunak campaign and I suspect the Tories will have many skeletons in many closets.
Lets see what happens with the blue on blue carnage.
Tbh they should atop the pretence and juat split as a Party

[Torquemada 1420]

Sunak the UNDECLARED US citizen, former chancellor of the exchequer who's billionaire wife wasn't paying her taxes? Boris is as bent as they come, but the wallpaper doesn't come close to the financial stuff Sunak seems to have got upto.

and I expect he'll be hearing from the IRS sometime soon too.

What I am really interested in is how he has any financial affairs at all in the UK. If he's a US citizen, he'd struggle to even get a bank account if he declared he was a US Citizen. Unless, of course, he lied on all his financial applications. And he'd the first Tory to have done so. NOTTTTTTTTT

I imagine he filed his W-2's every year, or he would have had his Green Card taken away, long before he got a chance to return it.

He & his wife are sufficiently wealthy anyway, that he has plenty of legal ways to get US Citizenship, it just may cost them some petty cash.

Would be interested to see if he ever filled in a W8-BEN.

[Torquemada 1420]

She needs to read the riot act to the Civil Service Blob and put the ECHR back in its box.

She's fortunate the UK was a far more tolerant place for immigrants when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa.

A kinder gentler politics.

What relevance is the colour of her skin? Why raise it as an issue? Are people whose skin isn't white only allowed to hold pre approved political positions?

You've missed every relevant point.
a) She is one attempting to introduce hardline conditions which would, if in existence in the 70s, have prevented her from benefiting in precisely the same manner she is essaying to deny others.
b) Where is the colour of her skin mentioned, or indeed relevant to the point in the post? The only relevance in this context is the term "immigrant".
c) Errrr no. See my previous post. And then answer it.

[Torquemada 1420]

Show me where her skin colour was mentioned.

If you are being genuine that you cannot understand the meaning of "when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa"" then you really have been leading a sheltered life.

I can see what you're driving at, but Patel and her family aren't African. They're Bangladeshis who moved to Uganda before coming to the UK, so the banana/black racist connection doesn't really apply.

Besides which banana boat would more likely be a reference to the craft deeply unsuitable for sea crossing, including many inflatables, that lots of migrants use in their attempts to cross the Mediterannean. The sort Patel would quite happily turn around and point back from whence they came.

All of this bar the spelling of Mediterranean.

[Torquemada 1420]

Count me very sheltered, could you elaborate?

Banana boats were fast ships used to ship bananas from the West Indies to the UK. The term was popularised in the UK in The Banana Boat song sung by Harry Belafonte in the 50s. The term fell into popular use as “came on the banana boat” being a way to describe immigrants who had come from the West Indies, I.e. Afro Caribbeans.

Hence packed off on the banana boat is black people going back to where they came from.

The defence of ‘oh but that’s a different group of not white people’ is specious, dishonest and quite frankly is the defence of a racist.

Showing a complete lack of comprehension of the post and its context. Unless you mean the racist is Patel......... which is exactly what I was driving at.

[ia801310]

Banana boats were fast ships used to ship bananas from the West Indies to the UK. The term was popularised in the UK in The Banana Boat song sung by Harry Belafonte in the 50s. The term fell into popular use as “came on the banana boat” being a way to describe immigrants who had come from the West Indies, I.e. Afro Caribbeans.

Hence packed off on the banana boat is black people going back to where they came from.

The defence of ‘oh but that’s a different group of not white people’ is specious, dishonest and quite frankly is the defence of a racist.

Showing a complete lack of comprehension of the post and its context. Unless you mean the racist is Patel......... which is exactly what I was driving at.

You are a racist Troll

[Torquemada 1420]

The original phrase about banana boats

I haven't said it is not. My point stands that there was no mention of skin colur

Jesus wept. Can you define racism in a way that doesn’t include skin colour as a form of it?

He was responding to the post which explicitly mentioned skin colour as a counter to post which did not. The parameters were set by ia801310 and not c69.

[ia801310]

Penny getting herself into Trouble on Trans rights

[Torquemada 1420]

Hence packed off on the banana boat is black people going back to where they came from.

The defence of ‘oh but that’s a different group of not white people’ is specious, dishonest and quite frankly is the defence of a racist.

Showing a complete lack of comprehension of the post and its context. Unless you mean the racist is Patel......... which is exactly what I was driving at.

You are a racist Troll

Remarkable assertion from a Tory supporter and also someone who wouldn't have the vaguest notion what a racist was.

[ASMO]

Is it me or does Rishi bear an uncanny resemblance to Roland Rat?

[SaintK]

This should immediately disbar him from the ballot!!

Zahawi said he would be willing to offer Boris Johnson a cabinet job. Asked about this on LBC, he said:
Boris Johnson is a friend of mine of 30 years. If he wishes to serve in cabinet, I would certainly offer him a job.

[sockwithaticket]

This should immediately disbar him from the ballot!!

Zahawi said he would be willing to offer Boris Johnson a cabinet job. Asked about this on LBC, he said:
Boris Johnson is a friend of mine of 30 years. If he wishes to serve in cabinet, I would certainly offer him a job.

That's so revealing of who they are and why they don't belong in positions of responsibility.

Qualifications and track record are second to personal connections and the wants of the privileged few whose only apparent goal is to perpetuate that privilege.

[SaintK]

[Tichtheid]

[_Os_]

A good billionaire could be a good pm. Not corruptible on the same level sort of thing.

However, I'd expect such a person not to use the expenses/benefits system MPs get. I have a feeling he does?

It's all about trust at the end of it all. Sunak needs to convince Tory members he can be trusted to be the most powerful PM in living memory, "end the fairy tales" speaks to that. He's mostly totally silent, so I'm guessing he fears people start thinking "not sure I trust this guy" if he says anything. Every modern PM miraculously ends up substantially richer from the process, there's going to be a lot of opportunity for someone that wealthy that didn't exist with previous PMs.

Mordaunt is a Vote Leave liar, she cheered on the possibility of no deal. Who is winning every poll Conservative Home are doing. She needs to increase the fairy tale output to absorb the votes of candidates to the right of her when they fail, it seems Tories trust a good bed time story more than anything. I posted years back that they had become like Commies ("real Brexit has never been tried").

Truss has become the continuity Johnson candidate. The MPs backing her trust her to advance their careers. Zahawi's ridiculous leadership bid is the same thing, he's going to end up backing who he thinks can best advance his career (who he thinks will win, or failing that whoever else will tolerate him) and the cost of his support is having him in cabinet.

[I like neeps]

A brexiteer finally tells us the point of brexit.

[Lobby]

This should immediately disbar him from the ballot!!

Zahawi said he would be willing to offer Boris Johnson a cabinet job. Asked about this on LBC, he said:
Boris Johnson is a friend of mine of 30 years. If he wishes to serve in cabinet, I would certainly offer him a job.

Apparently Braverman said something similar yesterday. Its a transparent attempt to garner votes from the rump of Boris supporters in the Tory party in the hope that they are so stupid they will forget that its only a few days since they both called for him to resign as PM.