The worst piece of officiating you'll ever see?

[Torquemada 1420]

Posted on NPC thread but it's soooo bad that it merits a wider audience:




To add to insult, Pickerell ruled out a try for the Makos as a fwd pass and then gave one for Welly which looked very much the same.

[Ymx]

You can see what’s happened. Despite the commentary spotting it, the TMO was clearly just looking at the feet, and had a blind spot for the arm on the ground.

[Ymx]

And I raise you this.



It’s embarrassing, there is about 3 errors.

Good old Barnes. Actually refuses for it to be looked at for forward, or any hand involved. And then quickly tries to dismiss anything showing offside.

Corrupt.

[Gumboot]

Not even close imo

[Ymx]

At real time that looked high upright shoulder. So hardly the worst in any stretch of the imagination.

What’s peculiar is that the tackle itself was not reviewed, and just the handbags.

[Gumboot]

At real time that looked high upright shoulder. So hardly the worst in any stretch of the imagination.

What’s peculiar is that the tackle itself was not reviewed, and just the handbags.

Depends on when it was. Now he would be walking off like a mofo

Red card at 42 minutes. Game changer.

Edit: red because it was his second yellow.

[Ymx]

His head is higher than carters. Shoulder pretty close to the head.

He also then takes him horizontal and then drives his shoulder in to the ground.

It’s really not that controversial.I’m not saying it was perfectly correct decisions. But there was plenty there.

[Kawazaki]

It'll take a few more decades before this bit of daylight robbery will be beaten;

[Lobby]

The OP is very similar to Wilkinson's try against Scotland in 2007. The TMO was so intent on checking whether Wilkinson touched the corner flag before dotting down, that he forgot to check whether his right leg was over the touchline. The Scots fans were outraged, although England were already leading 30 - 13 at the time.

[Ymx]

It'll take a few more decades before this bit of daylight robbery will be beaten;

Foot slid over touch line before he lifted it.

[Ymx]

[Yr Alban]

Craig Joubert, Scotland v Australia, RWC 2015.

It’s not just that he made a game-altering mistake that deprived Scotland of our first semi-final appearance since 1991. It’s that he ran away at FT rather than face up to it. World Rugby subsequently admitting it was a mistake was just rubbing salt into the wound. Yeah, thanks and all, but the damage is done.

[Niegs]

You can see what’s happened. Despite the commentary spotting it, the TMO was clearly just looking at the feet, and had a blind spot for the arm on the ground.

I've wondered if any sport science people have studied this sort of too-narrow a focus? I recall one at int'l level a few years ago where TMO had a replay on the screen for all three on-field officials to look at. I forget the exact issue, but they were all focused on the grounding while ignoring something in the immediate build-up that should have ruled it out. I imagine it happens all the time in open play, esp with how quick things unfold.

[Ymx]

Is anyone else mystified there have been no Saffer contributions to this thread. The number of death threats, suggest there must be many.

Or is it hard to pick just one, and they are just busy right now creating a 6 hour YouTube compilation video on the injustices?

[Kawazaki]

Craig Joubert, Scotland v Australia, RWC 2015.

It’s not just that he made a game-altering mistake that deprived Scotland of our first semi-final appearance since 1991. It’s that he ran away at FT rather than face up to it. World Rugby subsequently admitting it was a mistake was just rubbing salt into the wound. Yeah, thanks and all, but the damage is done.

If it's any consolation, Australia would still have found a way to win.

[Mr Bungle]

You're all talking shite. How about a crazy law change on the spot that directly affected the result of a 3 test series played every 12 years.

[Muttonbird]

And I raise you this.



It’s embarrassing, there is about 3 errors.

Good old Barnes. Actually refuses for it to be looked at for forward, or any hand involved. And then quickly tries to dismiss anything showing offside.

Corrupt.

Barnes probably thinks the Tri Nations logo is the line to be judging with. Worst referee ever.

[Slick]

Craig Joubert, Scotland v Australia, RWC 2015.

It’s not just that he made a game-altering mistake that deprived Scotland of our first semi-final appearance since 1991. It’s that he ran away at FT rather than face up to it. World Rugby subsequently admitting it was a mistake was just rubbing salt into the wound. Yeah, thanks and all, but the damage is done.

This. The rest of you can go home.

Like we did I suppose.

[SaintK]

And I raise you this.



It’s embarrassing, there is about 3 errors.

Good old Barnes. Actually refuses for it to be looked at for forward, or any hand involved. And then quickly tries to dismiss anything showing offside.

Corrupt.

Really? FFS get over it

[Tichtheid]

Craig Joubert, Scotland v Australia, RWC 2015.

It’s not just that he made a game-altering mistake that deprived Scotland of our first semi-final appearance since 1991. It’s that he ran away at FT rather than face up to it. World Rugby subsequently admitting it was a mistake was just rubbing salt into the wound. Yeah, thanks and all, but the damage is done.

This. The rest of you can go home.

Like we did I suppose.

I moan my face off at referees during a game with the best of them, but once it's done, or about an hour after the match, it's done.

Having said that, a decision like that in the 79th minute is galling, but these things happen, it was a genuine mistake.

I think it was brought into sharp focus by the way he ran off the pitch at the end, rather than shake hands with the players.

[Ymx]

And I raise you this.



It’s embarrassing, there is about 3 errors.

Good old Barnes. Actually refuses for it to be looked at for forward, or any hand involved. And then quickly tries to dismiss anything showing offside.

Corrupt.

Really? FFS get over it

I am over it. It was immaterial to that game. Just a terrible bit of officiating I saw for the first time a couple of weeks back.

I see what you’re doing. It’s because it is Barnes and I’m a kiwi, so I need to not bring it up?? The “corrupt” statement was very tongue in cheek, if it wasn’t obvious.

[SaintK]

And I raise you this.



It’s embarrassing, there is about 3 errors.

Good old Barnes. Actually refuses for it to be looked at for forward, or any hand involved. And then quickly tries to dismiss anything showing offside.

Corrupt.

Really? FFS get over it

I am over it. It was immaterial to that game. Just a terrible bit of officiating I saw for the first time a couple of weeks back.

I see what you’re doing. It’s because it is Barnes and I’m a kiwi, so I need to not bring it up?? The “corrupt” statement was very tongue in cheek, if it wasn’t obvious.

Nope
ALL refs get calls wrong. Some supporters manage to not dwell on them for too long and call the ref "corrupt" even with their "tongue in cheek"

[Ymx]

No one said refs always get it right. That’s the point of this thread. I don’t believe Barnes is corrupt, ffs. It was a fricken joke.

You did see Togas entry, right?

You are being a tad defensive, given the subject of thread which is about specific instances. And they call kiwis precious!!

Sheesh man, chill out.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Craig Joubert, Scotland v Australia, RWC 2015.

It’s not just that he made a game-altering mistake that deprived Scotland of our first semi-final appearance since 1991. It’s that he ran away at FT rather than face up to it. World Rugby subsequently admitting it was a mistake was just rubbing salt into the wound. Yeah, thanks and all, but the damage is done.

This. The rest of you can go home.

Like we did I suppose.

I moan my face off at referees during a game with the best of them, but once it's done, or about an hour after the match, it's done.

Having said that, a decision like that in the 79th minute is galling, but these things happen, it was a genuine mistake.

I think it was brought into sharp focus by the way he ran off the pitch at the end, rather than shake hands with the players.

I tend to think had Scotland simply won their own lineout and then played out the clock they needn't have left anything up to the ref. But they loused up and then many chose to blame something that wasn't a basic failure to secure 1st phase in a crunch moment

[Tichtheid]

I tend to think had Scotland simply won their own lineout and then played out the clock they needn't have left anything up to the ref. But they loused up and then many chose to blame something that wasn't a basic failure to secure 1st phase in a crunch moment

This.

I totally agree with the Jim Telfer school, which refuses to blame referees. Roy Keane is the same, the players are responsible for taking the decisions out of the referee's hands.

Having said that, and nothing really to do with that incident, there is a big team bias and a homer refereeing phenomenon in sport. There was some academic research done on this a few years ago. It's subtle and it's unconscious, but it's there.

[Ymx]

I’m pretty sure WR do monitor this for elite refs. Ensure there is a balance between home and away pens.

But I’m pretty sure that corrupt toe-rag Barnes is fully aware of this. So he therefore gives his favourite (non AB) team penalties in the opposition half (territory pens). Whilst giving his unfavoured team pens only within their own half (token offsides).

Though, actually, I would like to see the territory pen statistics. It obviously needs to be normalised in terms of general possession territory statistics.

[Slick]

Craig Joubert, Scotland v Australia, RWC 2015.

It’s not just that he made a game-altering mistake that deprived Scotland of our first semi-final appearance since 1991. It’s that he ran away at FT rather than face up to it. World Rugby subsequently admitting it was a mistake was just rubbing salt into the wound. Yeah, thanks and all, but the damage is done.

This. The rest of you can go home.

Like we did I suppose.

I moan my face off at referees during a game with the best of them, but once it's done, or about an hour after the match, it's done.

Having said that, a decision like that in the 79th minute is galling, but these things happen, it was a genuine mistake.

I think it was brought into sharp focus by the way he ran off the pitch at the end, rather than shake hands with the players.

I agree. I remember it well, I had to go out for a walk straight after the final whistle even though we had a house full of friends and was spitting blood. Couldn’t sleep that night at all, but come the next day I was defending Joubert from some of the worst abuses. No way he did it on purpose, it was a bad mistake, but that’s all

[laurent]

A ref asking me to move an injured player as he was faking it.

The player had a dislocated leg...

[inactionman]

I'm still spitting about Gauzere telling Farrell to have a word with the team about repeated infringements and then letting Biggar kick cross-field whilst Farrell actually did what he was instructed to do.

If he wanted Farrell to hurry up then tell him to hurry up.

It directly led to a score. Jonno was not happy at half time.

It's not the worst, but still very annoying.

[OomStruisbaai]

It'll take a few more decades before this bit of daylight robbery will be beaten;

Foot slid over touch line before he lifted it.

Must be depressing.

[OomStruisbaai]

Is anyone else mystified there have been no Saffer contributions to this thread. The number of death threats, suggest there must be many.

Or is it hard to pick just one, and they are just busy right now creating a 6 hour YouTube compilation video on the injustices?

no Boet. Due to load shedding we struggle with our internet.

The worst one I experienced was in a Currie Cup semi final.

[OomStruisbaai]

Those years our Currie Cup was our own World Cup

[Fonz]

A ref asking me to move an injured player as he was faking it.

The player had a dislocated leg...

Oh if we're counting amateur ranks, that will definitely open things up a bit...

In high school we once had a referee who quite literally didn't know the rules, for instance he tried to award a penalty for a forward pass, didn't understand the rule for kicks going out on the full, etc. My coach had to come on the field with the rulebook towards the end of the game...utter shitshow.

There were only a handful of refs in the area so we got to know them all pretty well. We had a very nice South African guy who clearly understood the sport, then a rugby lifer who was decent enough, but most of the American referees we had were just horrendous and there wasn't really anybody else out there.

[laurent]

A ref asking me to move an injured player as he was faking it.

The player had a dislocated leg...

Oh if we're counting amateur ranks, that will definitely open things up a bit...

In high school we once had a referee who quite literally didn't know the rules, for instance he tried to award a penalty for a forward pass, didn't understand the rule for kicks going out on the full, etc. My coach had to come on the field with the rulebook towards the end of the game...utter shitshow.

We had a very nice South African guy who clearly understood the sport, then a rugby lifer who was decent enough, but most of the American referees we had were just horrendous.

Worse part was he was getting evaluated by the opposition's president husband...

we lost a good player that day :(

[Tichtheid]

A ref asking me to move an injured player as he was faking it.

The player had a dislocated leg...

Oh if we're counting amateur ranks, that will definitely open things up a bit...

In high school we once had a referee who quite literally didn't know the rules, for instance he tried to award a penalty for a forward pass, didn't understand the rule for kicks going out on the full, etc. My coach had to come on the field with the rulebook towards the end of the game...utter shitshow.

There were only a handful of refs in the area so we got to know them all pretty well. We had a very nice South African guy who clearly understood the sport, then a rugby lifer who was decent enough, but most of the American referees we had were just horrendous and there wasn't really anybody else out there.

We had an away game at school where the ref (opposition PE teacher) gave a penalty against my mate's mum who was shouting encouragement from the touchline.

[Slick]

A ref asking me to move an injured player as he was faking it.

The player had a dislocated leg...

Oh if we're counting amateur ranks, that will definitely open things up a bit...

In high school we once had a referee who quite literally didn't know the rules, for instance he tried to award a penalty for a forward pass, didn't understand the rule for kicks going out on the full, etc. My coach had to come on the field with the rulebook towards the end of the game...utter shitshow.

There were only a handful of refs in the area so we got to know them all pretty well. We had a very nice South African guy who clearly understood the sport, then a rugby lifer who was decent enough, but most of the American referees we had were just horrendous and there wasn't really anybody else out there.

The last part is kind of the point thought isn’t it, no ref, no game.

Worst ref I have ever seen was, erm , me….

I turned up at a touch rugby league in London for the first time. Was hanging around and a stunning Aussie burd came up and said they were short of refs and would I do a game. Having played touch at the rugby club thought it would be easy. Of course league rules are very different and within 10 seconds everyone on the pitch knew I didn’t know what I was doing and started screaming at me. A ref who had just finished a game kindly ran on and helped me out until half time.

At half time I said I was going to change my trainers and literally ran all the way home in utter, utter shame

[Ymx]

That’s brilliant Slick. I love it. Just ran away!

Advice from parents to their kids when in London “If there’s any trouble, whatsoever, just run away from it”

[GogLais]

Everybody relaxed about Mike Phillips's alleged wrong ball try against Ireland then?

[Niegs]

Since we're telling tales from school, the first one that came to mind was going for touch on a penalty, bouncing it out and having the ref say it was the opposition's throw because of the bounce. Okay, new refs make mistakes, but he comes up to me on the next lineout, admits he got that one wrong, and then said he'd give us a "make up call" ... I think it's a common thing in hockey and basketball but I was like "No, mate. Mistake's a mistake. No need for that."

There's one who always seems to give calls to his home club and due to shortages of refs he often has to referee them. I thought it was just other team bias until I saw him, as AR, flag a winger cutting back infield when he was fully two metres away from touch. I was taking pictures that day and have a before / after shot where it's fairly obvious the player was nowhere near the line. Our coach starts yelling at me: "Please tell me you got that!" The funny thing is he's Mr Go-Pro, wearing on head sometimes, but no one ever gets to see that footage from my knowledge.

[Uncle fester]

The worst piece of officiating you'll ever see?

The armchair fans here for a start.