God bless you M’am

[Mahoney]

Just been to Much Ado at the National, which has the same joke.

[weegie01]

Lots of photos like this appearing in my FB. Riders in groups and as individuals scattered along the route.

I hadn't realised it was the ghillies that stood vigil and carried her out at Balmoral. Thought that was a lovely touch.

We have friends who work at Balmoral. The Queen was held in real affection there, and they were fiercely protective of her. She was plainly happy there, could get involved in things she loved doing, and did so with like minded people. There was mutual respect based on shared interests.

[Calculon]

Veers between silly soap opera and something quite sinister when a protester holding an abolish the monarchy sign gets arrested. Remarkable stuff really.

[I like neeps]

Veers between silly soap opera and something quite sinister when a protester holding an abolish the monarchy sign gets arrested. Remarkable stuff really.

Yes, a crackdown of protest is definitely happening. It's interesting that the BBC which is so obsessed with balance hasn't even had even one republican on any of their infinite programming. Not very balanced...

[Slick]

So we have to queue to get a wristband to allow us to queue to get into the cathedral. Queue for the wristbands is apparently already round the Meadows. Think we may need a change of plan

[inactionman]

Veers between silly soap opera and something quite sinister when a protester holding an abolish the monarchy sign gets arrested. Remarkable stuff really.

Yes, a crackdown of protest is definitely happening. It's interesting that the BBC which is so obsessed with balance hasn't even had even one republican on any of their infinite programming. Not very balanced...

I'd take the Sinn Fein approach (don't think I'll ever type that again) and omit any Republican commentary or sentiment when discussing the Queen's death but to reserve all rights of reply relating to coronation of the King. Sinn Fein's right of reply being to veto all things relating to the coronation.

The Queen's death and the King's coronation are closely related things - literally, of course, in that one brings the other - but I'd suggest you risk being seen to play the m'am and not the ball if you talk over a funeral with constitutional matters.

[inactionman]

So we have to queue to get a wristband to allow us to queue to get into the cathedral. Queue for the wristbands is apparently already round the Meadows. Think we may need a change of plan

Is there a mad queue at Holyrood, do you know? I was planning on just going and hoying a few flowers at the front gates.

On that note, lucky the binmen aren't on strike any more.

[Thor Sedan]

Black, white, blue of green, it was her behaviour from the outset that set the tone and gave the media the ammunition they required. Anyone with any sense could see was just a self promoting shyster.

DO you have examples of this? Cause I seem to remember that MM was being picked up on pretty petty things that Kate never had to contend with?

[tc27]

Any Scottish posters here attended(ing) any of the procession today or yesterday?

[Jock42]

Balaklava Coy doing the Jocks and HM proud here.

[Slick]

Veers between silly soap opera and something quite sinister when a protester holding an abolish the monarchy sign gets arrested. Remarkable stuff really.

Yes, a crackdown of protest is definitely happening. It's interesting that the BBC which is so obsessed with balance hasn't even had even one republican on any of their infinite programming. Not very balanced...

Anyone else see the protester get hooked from behind a moment ago. Flew out of shot

[Slick]

So we have to queue to get a wristband to allow us to queue to get into the cathedral. Queue for the wristbands is apparently already round the Meadows. Think we may need a change of plan

Is there a mad queue at Holyrood, do you know? I was planning on just going and hoying a few flowers at the front gates.

On that note, lucky the binmen aren't on strike any more.

No idea mate but I imagine it will clear pretty rapidly after this bit as everyone heads to the Meadows

[Paddington Bear]

Lots of photos like this appearing in my FB. Riders in groups and as individuals scattered along the route.

I hadn't realised it was the ghillies that stood vigil and carried her out at Balmoral. Thought that was a lovely touch.

We have friends who work at Balmoral. The Queen was held in real affection there, and they were fiercely protective of her. She was plainly happy there, could get involved in things she loved doing, and did so with like minded people. There was mutual respect based on shared interests.

Likewise know a couple of blokes who work as part of the Household at Windsor. She was universally loved by her staff, the rest they can take or leave by and large. None could stand Meghan

[Calculon]

Veers between silly soap opera and something quite sinister when a protester holding an abolish the monarchy sign gets arrested. Remarkable stuff really.

Yes, a crackdown of protest is definitely happening. It's interesting that the BBC which is so obsessed with balance hasn't even had even one republican on any of their infinite programming. Not very balanced...

Also puts a lie to the idea that the BBC is filled with and run by a bunch of leftie liberals. Not watched any of their blanket coverage but I assume it's not in any way critical of Elizabeth or the monarchy.

[sturginho]

Veers between silly soap opera and something quite sinister when a protester holding an abolish the monarchy sign gets arrested. Remarkable stuff really.

Yes, a crackdown of protest is definitely happening. It's interesting that the BBC which is so obsessed with balance hasn't even had even one republican on any of their infinite programming. Not very balanced...

I take your point but the police have to balance public safety with the right to protest and the risk to a protestor getting milled out of it are high. They should have some protest in some town and invite the press not right in the middle of the mourning.

"We're arresting you so that you don't get beaten up...."

[I like neeps]

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It's the very definition of Public safety. Obviously it's misused but to be fair I have a difficulty with people leveraging grief for their political beliefs sincerely held or not. Let people grieve as the calls for a republic will sound loudly later on in different places. Anyway it's unnecessarily confrontational and will win no supporters.
[/quote]

You can't arrest someone because they might get beaten up. You can arrest the people who beat them up.

I think the time to protest an constitutional monarch as head of state is exactly when there's a new head of state installed. "Not my King" on a placard is fine. It's hardly the gunpowder plot. And it's not even saying anything unpleasant about the Queen, it's not even remotely disrespectful at all.

The over the top performance of grief the last few days in Britain would make the North Koreans wince and the police arresting people with placards protesting about the new head of state is St Petersburg stuff.

[tabascoboy]

The over the top performance of grief the last few days in Britain would make the North Koreans wince and the police arresting people with placards protesting about the new head of state is St Petersburg stuff.

That said I don't feel like it's anywhere near as bad as the hysteria over Diana. I don't really get the "nation in mourning" and huge crowds waiting for hours in the streets to "be there" thing at all, but it does me no harm or inconvenience so each to their own I guess.

[Insane_Homer]

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Oh no!!!

[I like neeps]

The over the top performance of grief the last few days in Britain would make the North Koreans wince and the police arresting people with placards protesting about the new head of state is St Petersburg stuff.

That said I don't feel like it's anywhere near as bad as the hysteria over Diana. I don't really get the "nation in mourning" and huge crowds waiting for hours in the streets to "be there" thing at all, but it does me no harm or inconvenience so each to their own I guess.

It's not the people I'm as concerned by but the self promoters are out in force. It's the media haven't even bothered with anything else for 5 days and the brands - at my gym on the rowing machine you have to tap a picture of the Queen on a black background saying in memoriam. It's just bananas. A sweaty finger prodding at her face to get to rowing scores is hardly respectful.

[I like neeps]

I have no skin in the game. Public safety is also about protecting the protestor and I think they could pick a different time. Anyway monarchy or twats like Johnson, Trump, the Shinners. All cheeks of a massive arse

A woman holding an "abolish monarchy" sign was charged with breach of the peace. So this argument they're arresting people for their own safety is totally false.

In a society where you can't protest the most powerful you aren't free. Which is exactly why you would protest the monarchy, funnily enough.

[Biffer]

I'm about to try and drive from Blackford Hill to Fettes Row.

Wish me luck

[Marylandolorian]

Anyone else see the protester get hooked from behind a moment ago. Flew out of shot

Yep, he was shouting some anti royal stuffs, didn’t see who grabbed him but it was fast, like in the cartoons

[Paddington Bear]

Really don’t think that the coverage has been too overblown, unless you happen to have been watching all day. This is an objectively big and serious event, which means you’ll get plenty of coverage of it, but to describe the country as adopting North Korea style mourning just isn’t true on any level and a quick walk around any town would prove that very quickly

[Hugo]

Lots of photos like this appearing in my FB. Riders in groups and as individuals scattered along the route.

I hadn't realised it was the ghillies that stood vigil and carried her out at Balmoral. Thought that was a lovely touch.

We have friends who work at Balmoral. The Queen was held in real affection there, and they were fiercely protective of her. She was plainly happy there, could get involved in things she loved doing, and did so with like minded people. There was mutual respect based on shared interests.

It was reputed to be her favourite residence wasn't it? I can imagine why, it must have been where she was able to retreat from public life and recharge her batteries.

[Slick]

Really don’t think that the coverage has been too overblown, unless you happen to have been watching all day. This is an objectively big and serious event, which means you’ll get plenty of coverage of it, but to describe the country as adopting North Korea style mourning just isn’t true on any level and a quick walk around any town would prove that very quickly

yeah, I agree. of course there have been some fawning individuals speaking but overall it has been fine, and as you say, it is pretty much the biggest event that will happen in the UK

[I like neeps]

Anyone else see the protester get hooked from behind a moment ago. Flew out of shot

Yep, he was shouting some anti royal stuffs, didn’t see who grabbed him but it was fast, like in the cartoons

It's not anti royal to say Prince Andrew is a sick old man. As he is someone who uses his fame and status to fiddle with sex trafficked teenagers. Quite on the money, if anything.

[I like neeps]

Really don’t think that the coverage has been too overblown, unless you happen to have been watching all day. This is an objectively big and serious event, which means you’ll get plenty of coverage of it, but to describe the country as adopting North Korea style mourning just isn’t true on any level and a quick walk around any town would prove that very quickly

I don't know, you have to look hard at the news to find anything about the energy price cap - the UK governments largest fiscal intervention ever that will add billions in UK debt, the continuing energy price crisis which is perhaps capitalisms biggest challenge in Europe ever, or most importantly the remarkable Ukrainian counter offensive in the democratic west's ongoing find against the authoritarian east.

All three are absolutely massive stories in their own right.

[fishfoodie]

She certainly loved her horses, thats for sure.

Must admit, Im surprised they are flying the coffin from Edinburgh to London rather than driving. Would it take too long?

Balmoral to Edinburgh by car is circa 2h30m, this is taking 6 hours.

More importantly, the roads are closed down, nothing is going past the cortege. Imagine a rolling roadblock travelling slowly down the M6 / M1 and the chaos it would cause.

Is it possible to have a dignified stop at a m’way service area?

Just don't take the entire motorcade thru the drivethru

[inactionman]

Really don’t think that the coverage has been too overblown, unless you happen to have been watching all day. This is an objectively big and serious event, which means you’ll get plenty of coverage of it, but to describe the country as adopting North Korea style mourning just isn’t true on any level and a quick walk around any town would prove that very quickly

I don't know, you have to look hard at the news to find anything about the energy price cap - the UK governments largest fiscal intervention ever that will add billions in UK debt, the continuing energy price crisis which is perhaps capitalisms biggest challenge in Europe ever, or most importantly the remarkable Ukrainian counter offensive in the democratic west's ongoing find against the authoritarian east.

All three are absolutely massive stories in their own right.

All of these stories are part of a longer chain of inter-connected events which started 6 months ago and have been progressively building since then - the Queen died last week.

I'm sure once the Queen is safely in the ground we'll be back to whining about energy bills, inflation and Liz Truss.

[Jock42]

I hadn't realised it was the ghillies that stood vigil and carried her out at Balmoral. Thought that was a lovely touch.

We have friends who work at Balmoral. The Queen was held in real affection there, and they were fiercely protective of her. She was plainly happy there, could get involved in things she loved doing, and did so with like minded people. There was mutual respect based on shared interests.

It was reputed to be her favourite residence wasn't it? I can imagine why, it must have been where she was able to retreat from public life and recharge her batteries.

Aye and apparently where she wanted to die.

[Marylandolorian]

Anyone else see the protester get hooked from behind a moment ago. Flew out of shot

Yep, he was shouting some anti royal stuffs, didn’t see who grabbed him but it was fast, like in the cartoons

It's not anti royal to say Prince Andrew is a sick old man. As he is someone who uses his fame and status to fiddle with sex trafficked teenagers. Quite on the money, if anything.

Didn’t understand what he said, it’s the BBC hancher who mentioned that.

100% agree with you about Andrew. Seeing him there was like the walk of shame.

[tabascoboy]

[I like neeps]

Really don’t think that the coverage has been too overblown, unless you happen to have been watching all day. This is an objectively big and serious event, which means you’ll get plenty of coverage of it, but to describe the country as adopting North Korea style mourning just isn’t true on any level and a quick walk around any town would prove that very quickly

I don't know, you have to look hard at the news to find anything about the energy price cap - the UK governments largest fiscal intervention ever that will add billions in UK debt, the continuing energy price crisis which is perhaps capitalisms biggest challenge in Europe ever, or most importantly the remarkable Ukrainian counter offensive in the democratic west's ongoing find against the authoritarian east.

All three are absolutely massive stories in their own right.

All of these stories are part of a longer chain of inter-connected events which started 6 months ago and have been progressively building since then - the Queen died last week.

I'm sure once the Queen is safely in the ground we'll be back to whining about energy bills, inflation and Liz Truss.

Uber right wing Tory John Redwood today was saying parliament should get back to business quicker (I think they're closed for at least three weeks) because of the government financial package and wider energy strategy and fellow Uber right wing Tory journalist Tim Montgomery said we need more coverage of Ukraine. The reality is the UK does not have a week to wait.

The result of the war in Ukraine and the result of the governments intervention and if it prevents huge number of businesses collapse and impoverished households will have a larger impact on Europe and the UK than the Queen's funeral. The constitutional dress up and platitudes about "quiet dignity", "a life of service", "led the commonwealth" is much less important than 200bn in government debt. If the Queen caught covid early doors and died the government wouldn't have had mass gatherings and not introduced the mass financial support. This is a more serious challenge financially than that was.

[Calculon]

[fishfoodie]

I have no skin in the game. Public safety is also about protecting the protestor and I think they could pick a different time. Anyway monarchy or twats like Johnson, Trump, the Shinners. All cheeks of a massive arse

A woman holding an "abolish monarchy" sign was charged with breach of the peace. So this argument they're arresting people for their own safety is totally false.

In a society where you can't protest the most powerful you aren't free. Which is exactly why you would protest the monarchy, funnily enough.

Don't know the context but sounds overkill alright but look the queen was sort of deified so not a surprise.

Indeed !

Responding in the same way, as one would expect Iran, or Turkey to deal with a peaceful protest, is to be expected from the UK in 2022

[Blackmac]

We have friends who work at Balmoral. The Queen was held in real affection there, and they were fiercely protective of her. She was plainly happy there, could get involved in things she loved doing, and did so with like minded people. There was mutual respect based on shared interests.

It was reputed to be her favourite residence wasn't it? I can imagine why, it must have been where she was able to retreat from public life and recharge her batteries.

Aye and apparently where she wanted to die.

She was also known to be an incredibly shrewd political operator. I have a feeling that she knew full well that dying in Scotland and the events of the last few days will have caused a massive setback for nationalism as people are reminded what it means to be part of the union.

[Hugo]

It was reputed to be her favourite residence wasn't it? I can imagine why, it must have been where she was able to retreat from public life and recharge her batteries.

Aye and apparently where she wanted to die.

She was also known to be an incredibly shrewd political operator. I have a feeling that she knew full well that dying in Scotland and the events of the last few days will have caused a massive setback for nationalism as people are reminded what it means to be part of the union.

I could not agree with you more.

[Blackmac]

I have no skin in the game. Public safety is also about protecting the protestor and I think they could pick a different time. Anyway monarchy or twats like Johnson, Trump, the Shinners. All cheeks of a massive arse

A woman holding an "abolish monarchy" sign was charged with breach of the peace. So this argument they're arresting people for their own safety is totally false.

In a society where you can't protest the most powerful you aren't free. Which is exactly why you would protest the monarchy, funnily enough.

Common law Breach of the Peace encompasses the definition of conduct liable to cause alarm, distress or annoyance to the lieges. I would say the disrespectful Cnut deserved everything she gets.

[Ymx]

Really don’t think that the coverage has been too overblown, unless you happen to have been watching all day. This is an objectively big and serious event, which means you’ll get plenty of coverage of it, but to describe the country as adopting North Korea style mourning just isn’t true on any level and a quick walk around any town would prove that very quickly

I don't know, you have to look hard at the news to find anything about the energy price cap - the UK governments largest fiscal intervention ever that will add billions in UK debt, the continuing energy price crisis which is perhaps capitalisms biggest challenge in Europe ever, or most importantly the remarkable Ukrainian counter offensive in the democratic west's ongoing find against the authoritarian east.

All three are absolutely massive stories in their own right.

I must admit, as a capitalist normally, I’m fully behind this intervention of fixing prices.

Ideally though we would see the energy companies not benefit as much from this through temporary regulations. Rather than govt paying the difference.

However, I expect had price fixing regulations been applied, there would simply be no supply to the UK. Unless of course it was all managed through large contract futures, paid for at a premium. But admittedly I’m massively out of my depth on this…

Our debt must be pretty dire now. Covid was already huge.

[sturginho]

I have no skin in the game. Public safety is also about protecting the protestor and I think they could pick a different time. Anyway monarchy or twats like Johnson, Trump, the Shinners. All cheeks of a massive arse

A woman holding an "abolish monarchy" sign was charged with breach of the peace. So this argument they're arresting people for their own safety is totally false.

In a society where you can't protest the most powerful you aren't free. Which is exactly why you would protest the monarchy, funnily enough.

Common law Breach of the Peace encompasses the definition of conduct liable to cause alarm, distress or annoyance to the lieges. I would say the disrespectful Cnut deserved everything she gets.

Bring back public floggings!