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tabascoboy wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:53 pm
Slick wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:34 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:28 pm Watch out Tofu sales! Sacked for "security reasons" and back a week later. Not even rearranging the deckchairs
Less than 24 hours in and this. What a fucking shambles.

I'm actually speechless.
Oh well, if true then so much for trying to give Sunak a chance
Here's who we know has what so far:

Prime Minister Sunak's first appointment was to keep Jeremy Hunt as chancellor
Dominic Raab will return to the roles of deputy prime minister and justice secretary
James Cleverly and Ben Wallace have both retained their roles as foreign secretary and defence secretary
The new chief whip will be Simon Hart
Nadhim Zahawi has been appointed as the minister without portfolio and party chairman
We've seen the likes of Suella Braverman, Grant Shapps, Oliver Dowden, Steve Barclay, Therese Coffey, Michael Gove and Gillian Keegan go into No 10 but no more appointments as yet
Dowden-Cabinet Office minister
Zahawi-Minister without Portfolio and Flip Flopping
Gove-Levelling up.....again
A government of all the (failed) talents Oh and very few women thus far
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Dobby back as home sec and Nazi in Chief....dammit double posted
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How can he possibly justify bringing back a Home Secretary who just resigned following a security breach...

It's basically just a free hit for the opposition.
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ASMO wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:05 pm Dobby back as home sec and Nazi in Chief....dammit double posted
Dear lord, is there really no-one better?

Just hope he gives Coffey the boot.
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SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:59 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:53 pm
Slick wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:34 pm

Less than 24 hours in and this. What a fucking shambles.

I'm actually speechless.
Oh well, if true then so much for trying to give Sunak a chance
Here's who we know has what so far:

Prime Minister Sunak's first appointment was to keep Jeremy Hunt as chancellor
Dominic Raab will return to the roles of deputy prime minister and justice secretary
James Cleverly and Ben Wallace have both retained their roles as foreign secretary and defence secretary
The new chief whip will be Simon Hart
Nadhim Zahawi has been appointed as the minister without portfolio and party chairman
We've seen the likes of Suella Braverman, Grant Shapps, Oliver Dowden, Steve Barclay, Therese Coffey, Michael Gove and Gillian Keegan go into No 10 but no more appointments as yet
Dowden-Cabinet Office minister
Zahawi-Minister without Portfolio and Flip Flopping
Gove-Levelling up.....again
A government of all the (failed) talents Oh and very few women thus far
With a party of over 350 to select from how is it the same turds keep on floating to the top. Jobs for mates and support?
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S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:09 pm
ASMO wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:05 pm Dobby back as home sec and Nazi in Chief....dammit double posted
Dear lord, is there really no-one better?

Just hope he gives Coffey the boot.
Sunak loves the culture war shit, he campaigned on it
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petej wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:09 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:59 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:53 pm

Oh well, if true then so much for trying to give Sunak a chance

Dowden-Cabinet Office minister
Zahawi-Minister without Portfolio and Flip Flopping
Gove-Levelling up.....again
A government of all the (failed) talents Oh and very few women thus far
Why with a party of over 350 to select from how is it the same turds keep on floating to the top. Jobs for mates and support?
Because there's a large number of basically first-time MPs who are absolute fucking shit, mostly braindead culture warriors voted in on ugly platforms. The "big names" in the party are the morons who keep cycling in and out of the cabinet. The relatively good ones have all been completely marginalised or kicked out.

This is the modern Tory party. It's the inevitable consequence of pandering to UKIP, Brexiteer delusions, and stoking the flames of the culture war. All you're left with is the useful idiots, trolls, racists, and genuine scumbags while the few normal ones either leave or hold their noses and keep quiet.

See also, the GOP
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SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:59 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:53 pm
Slick wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:34 pm

Less than 24 hours in and this. What a fucking shambles.

I'm actually speechless.
Oh well, if true then so much for trying to give Sunak a chance
Here's who we know has what so far:

Prime Minister Sunak's first appointment was to keep Jeremy Hunt as chancellor
Dominic Raab will return to the roles of deputy prime minister and justice secretary
James Cleverly and Ben Wallace have both retained their roles as foreign secretary and defence secretary
The new chief whip will be Simon Hart
Nadhim Zahawi has been appointed as the minister without portfolio and party chairman
We've seen the likes of Suella Braverman, Grant Shapps, Oliver Dowden, Steve Barclay, Therese Coffey, Michael Gove and Gillian Keegan go into No 10 but no more appointments as yet
Dowden-Cabinet Office minister
Zahawi-Minister without Portfolio and Flip Flopping
Gove-Levelling up.....again
A government of all the (failed) talents Oh and very few women thus far
Gillian Keegan whoever the fuck she is becomes the 5th Eucation Secretary in 6 months :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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JM2K6 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:10 pm
S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:09 pm
ASMO wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:05 pm Dobby back as home sec and Nazi in Chief....dammit double posted
Dear lord, is there really no-one better?

Just hope he gives Coffey the boot.
Sunak loves the culture war shit, he campaigned on it
Brought Raab back so he can continue his good work removing your human rights :mad:

The Musicians may have slightly changed, but it's the same old tune
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ASMO wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:05 pm Dobby back as home sec and Nazi in Chief....dammit double posted
Got to keep the dog whistle blower for the stridently anti-immigration factions
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tabascoboy wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:53 pm
Slick wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:34 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:28 pm Watch out Tofu sales! Sacked for "security reasons" and back a week later. Not even rearranging the deckchairs
Less than 24 hours in and this. What a fucking shambles.

I'm actually speechless.
Oh well, if true then so much for trying to give Sunak a chance
Here's who we know has what so far:

Prime Minister Sunak's first appointment was to keep Jeremy Hunt as chancellor
Dominic Raab will return to the roles of deputy prime minister and justice secretary
James Cleverly and Ben Wallace have both retained their roles as foreign secretary and defence secretary
The new chief whip will be Simon Hart
Nadhim Zahawi has been appointed as the minister without portfolio and party chairman
We've seen the likes of Suella Braverman, Grant Shapps, Oliver Dowden, Steve Barclay, Therese Coffey, Michael Gove and Gillian Keegan go into No 10 but no more appointments as yet
The goodwill didn't last long, what a shitshow
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........and Coffey gets moved from Health to Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. I'm sure she'll enjoy the food bit.
These are so much the same old faces who have fucked us over for years. Where is the new, younger talent? If there is any,
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Fuck me! Barclay to Health.
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SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:57 pm ........and Coffey gets moved from Health to Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. I'm sure she'll enjoy the food bit.
These are so much the same old faces who have fucked us over for years. Where is the new, younger talent? If there is any,
.
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Fuck me! Barclay to Health.
She was there before under Boris, so a partial demotion. And so yes, another same old face.

Not sure Barclay is an improvement for Health Secretary. Though at least he hasn't suggested sharing left over anti-biotics with your mates, so there is that.
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S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:10 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:57 pm ........and Coffey gets moved from Health to Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. I'm sure she'll enjoy the food bit.
These are so much the same old faces who have fucked us over for years. Where is the new, younger talent? If there is any,
.
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Fuck me! Barclay to Health.
She was there before under Boris, so a partial demotion. And so yes, another same old face.

Not sure Barclay is an improvement for Health Secretary. Though at least he hasn't suggested sharing left over anti-biotics with your mates, so there is that.
Lucky there are no other countries in the union where antibiotics are available over the counter.
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SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:57 pm ........and Coffey gets moved from Health to Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. I'm sure she'll enjoy the food bit.
These are so much the same old faces who have fucked us over for years. Where is the new, younger talent? If there is any,
.
EDIT
Fuck me! Barclay to Health.
The younger newer talent are morons like Gullis.

None of this should come as a surprise, guys. The Tory party is in hock to an extremist faction and has been overtaken by the right and far-right. Instead of the occasional dog whistle to the racists, they've become a clone of UKIP with some BNP thrown in there for good measure.

There's no mass of reasonable Tories with more centrist ideas. It's a faction of lunatics and grasping narcissists.
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Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:16 pm
S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:10 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:57 pm ........and Coffey gets moved from Health to Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. I'm sure she'll enjoy the food bit.
These are so much the same old faces who have fucked us over for years. Where is the new, younger talent? If there is any,
.
EDIT
Fuck me! Barclay to Health.
She was there before under Boris, so a partial demotion. And so yes, another same old face.

Not sure Barclay is an improvement for Health Secretary. Though at least he hasn't suggested sharing left over anti-biotics with your mates, so there is that.
Lucky there are no other countries in the union where antibiotics are available over the counter.
Nothing for arse licker Williamson as yet
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Is there an element of putting ruthless, callous shits in Ministries, because you know you're going to be asking them to make swingeing cuts to essential services; & anyone who isn't comfortable about killing old ladies, & starving children, & letting crime run rife in Urban areas; really isn't who you want ?

He wants a Cabinet of utterly soulless bastards, & by God does he have a pool of those to pick from !
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JM2K6 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:23 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:57 pm ........and Coffey gets moved from Health to Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. I'm sure she'll enjoy the food bit.
These are so much the same old faces who have fucked us over for years. Where is the new, younger talent? If there is any,
.
EDIT
Fuck me! Barclay to Health.
The younger newer talent are morons like Gullis.

None of this should come as a surprise, guys. The Tory party is in hock to an extremist faction and has been overtaken by the right and far-right. Instead of the occasional dog whistle to the racists, they've become a clone of UKIP with some BNP thrown in there for good measure.

There's no mass of reasonable Tories with more centrist ideas. It's a faction of lunatics and grasping narcissists.
And their mindless, spineless back bench enablers specifically selected for their ability to at least not give a shit about lunacy if they themselves aren't loons.
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JM2K6 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:23 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:57 pm ........and Coffey gets moved from Health to Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. I'm sure she'll enjoy the food bit.
These are so much the same old faces who have fucked us over for years. Where is the new, younger talent? If there is any,
.
EDIT
Fuck me! Barclay to Health.
The younger newer talent are morons like Gullis.

None of this should come as a surprise, guys. The Tory party is in hock to an extremist faction and has been overtaken by the right and far-right. Instead of the occasional dog whistle to the racists, they've become a clone of UKIP with some BNP thrown in there for good measure.

There's no mass of reasonable Tories with more centrist ideas. It's a faction of lunatics and grasping narcissists.
The advisors seem like a bunch of morons also. Truss was utterly shite but a decent team around her would have shielded her a lot better.

Why didn’t someone advise Sunak that reappointing a Home Sec who just broke the Ministerial code over secrecy and had to resign was a poor idea
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Is Rishi going to appoint an Ethics Advisor, or was he lying when he promised, a new start, & the highest standards blagh, blagh, blagh ?

He should probably have run Bravermans breach of the Ministerial Code by one, before he committed to appointing her, or at least made her staying on, contingent upon such a review being passed.
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Williamson and Jenrick also back in the Cabinet :crazy:

I didn't have high hopes of the Sunak premiership, but I was optimistic enough not to expect the likes of Braverman, Coffey, Williamson and Jenrick back so soon (you could add more names to that list).

There is a case to be made that you want some experience in government in these challenging times, but perhaps not those who have abundant experience in failure? And instead show some intention of change and progression if you want to do improve the country.

Well, at least no more JRM in the Cabinet.
Over the hills and far away........
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salanya wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:32 pm Williamson and Jenrick also back in the Cabinet :crazy:

I didn't have high hopes of the Sunak premiership, but I was optimistic enough not to expect the likes of Braverman, Coffey, Williamson and Jenrick back so soon (you could add more names to that list).

There is a case to be made that you want some experience in government in these challenging times, but perhaps not those who have abundant experience in failure? And instead show some intention of change and progression if you want to do improve the country.

Well, at least no more JRM in the Cabinet.
Unfuckingbelievable
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fishfoodie wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:42 pm Is there an element of putting ruthless, callous shits in Ministries, because you know you're going to be asking them to make swingeing cuts to essential services; & anyone who isn't comfortable about killing old ladies, & starving children, & letting crime run rife in Urban areas; really isn't who you want ?

He wants a Cabinet of utterly soulless bastards, & by God does he have a pool of those to pick from !
We can but hope that the implosion of the Tory Party is merely slightly delayed and once the effect of the likely policies kicks in people will again soon realise the true horror of the Nasty Party, then kick them into the long grass to never re-emerge.
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Ovals wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:40 pm
salanya wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:32 pm Williamson and Jenrick also back in the Cabinet :crazy:

I didn't have high hopes of the Sunak premiership, but I was optimistic enough not to expect the likes of Braverman, Coffey, Williamson and Jenrick back so soon (you could add more names to that list).

There is a case to be made that you want some experience in government in these challenging times, but perhaps not those who have abundant experience in failure? And instead show some intention of change and progression if you want to do improve the country.

Well, at least no more JRM in the Cabinet.
Unfuckingbelievable
Twat Hancock is more capable than that pair.
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Ovals wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:40 pm
salanya wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:32 pm Williamson and Jenrick also back in the Cabinet :crazy:

I didn't have high hopes of the Sunak premiership, but I was optimistic enough not to expect the likes of Braverman, Coffey, Williamson and Jenrick back so soon (you could add more names to that list).

There is a case to be made that you want some experience in government in these challenging times, but perhaps not those who have abundant experience in failure? And instead show some intention of change and progression if you want to do improve the country.

Well, at least no more JRM in the Cabinet.
Unfuckingbelievable
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
But the most risky element was the sheer number of old faces returning. There were more retreads in this reshuffle than a Kwik-Fit fitter’s garage. While the Tory party’s internal balance may benefit from the restoration of Gove, Raab, Barclay and others to key posts, the ordinary voter will be left with the impression that - in the immortal words of Theresa May - nothing has really changed at all.
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petej wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:53 pm
Ovals wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:40 pm
salanya wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:32 pm Williamson and Jenrick also back in the Cabinet :crazy:

I didn't have high hopes of the Sunak premiership, but I was optimistic enough not to expect the likes of Braverman, Coffey, Williamson and Jenrick back so soon (you could add more names to that list).

There is a case to be made that you want some experience in government in these challenging times, but perhaps not those who have abundant experience in failure? And instead show some intention of change and progression if you want to do improve the country.

Well, at least no more JRM in the Cabinet.
Unfuckingbelievable
Twat Hancock is more capable than that pair.
Its not a very high bar to be fair!

I think the public have become fed up with this bunch of twats and see them for what they are - a bunch of useless cnuts. They are all past their sell by dates and have failed in most other jobs they have had and I don't think the public see them achieving much in their new jobs. Bringing back Cruella Braverman and Useless Dowden are cases in point. Just recirculating the same old faces into new jobs doesn't cut it - in fact it makes them look like a bunch of posh toffs playing musical chairs game with the cabinet. This is purely based on trying to keep the Tory party factions happy and instead will lead to amplifying division and splits. Once they eventually give out their new budget/fiscal statement with OBR analysis they will disappear into a quagmire of shit as it becomes apparent just how bad their last few years of stewardship has been. Sunak will crumple under the weight of premiership and the resulting barrage of criticism just as Truss did. He will be lucky to last till Easter.
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Can only echo much of the above. The appointment of Braverman is the Tories encapsulated in a single stroke: arrogant, immoral and with such a contempt for the public, they feel they can do whatever they like.
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I see the narrative is that Sunak is fixing the previous administration's errors, so all the shit is landing on Truss, and not anything before that.

Still, nice to see they've moved on from blaming the last Labour government for everything.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:01 am I see the narrative is that Sunak is fixing the previous administration's errors, so all the shit is landing on Truss, and not anything before that.

Still, nice to see they've moved on from blaming the last Labour government for everything.

Give it a day or two.
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Slick wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:16 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:23 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:57 pm ........and Coffey gets moved from Health to Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. I'm sure she'll enjoy the food bit.
These are so much the same old faces who have fucked us over for years. Where is the new, younger talent? If there is any,
.
EDIT
Fuck me! Barclay to Health.
The younger newer talent are morons like Gullis.

None of this should come as a surprise, guys. The Tory party is in hock to an extremist faction and has been overtaken by the right and far-right. Instead of the occasional dog whistle to the racists, they've become a clone of UKIP with some BNP thrown in there for good measure.

There's no mass of reasonable Tories with more centrist ideas. It's a faction of lunatics and grasping narcissists.
The advisors seem like a bunch of morons also. Truss was utterly shite but a decent team around her would have shielded her a lot better.

Why didn’t someone advise Sunak that reappointing a Home Sec who just broke the Ministerial code over secrecy and had to resign was a poor idea
Was discussing this at the weekend - Truss' advisors have a lot to answer for in terms of allowing her to believe her own publicity. For someone so devoid of talent, with poor communication skills and being not that bright she'd done incredibly well to get into high office at all. A smart team would have convinced her never to run for PM, position herself as a senior figure and push internally for the policies she likes. Instead she's totally ruined and I wouldn't be shocked to see her go as an MP at the next election.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:01 am I see the narrative is that Sunak is fixing the previous administration's errors, so all the shit is landing on Truss, and not anything before that.

Still, nice to see they've moved on from blaming the last Labour government for everything.
Which nicely sidesteps that he was at the tiller and steered the ship towards the abyss. Truss then decided to push hard on the throttle.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:24 am
Slick wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:16 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:23 pm

The younger newer talent are morons like Gullis.

None of this should come as a surprise, guys. The Tory party is in hock to an extremist faction and has been overtaken by the right and far-right. Instead of the occasional dog whistle to the racists, they've become a clone of UKIP with some BNP thrown in there for good measure.

There's no mass of reasonable Tories with more centrist ideas. It's a faction of lunatics and grasping narcissists.
The advisors seem like a bunch of morons also. Truss was utterly shite but a decent team around her would have shielded her a lot better.

Why didn’t someone advise Sunak that reappointing a Home Sec who just broke the Ministerial code over secrecy and had to resign was a poor idea
Was discussing this at the weekend - Truss' advisors have a lot to answer for in terms of allowing her to believe her own publicity. For someone so devoid of talent, with poor communication skills and being not that bright she'd done incredibly well to get into high office at all. A smart team would have convinced her never to run for PM, position herself as a senior figure and push internally for the policies she likes. Instead she's totally ruined and I wouldn't be shocked to see her go as an MP at the next election.
She had the look of someone who has been massively over coached.

During a lot of her speeches I couldn't help but think "That's what a robot that we're trying to teach emotions too would look like".

All this coaching just makes people seem less human, ironically the opposite of the intention. You shouldn't really have the say something, pause, think, then change your face to frowny to show you're passionate about something. Then you've got things like the bent in finger point. Ridiculous. No one does that.

I'm convinced this is all part of the draw of your Boris and Trump like characters, people are just desperate for something different.
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C T wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:34 am
She had the look of someone who has been massively over coached.

During a lot of her speeches I couldn't help but think "That's what a robot that we're trying to teach emotions too would look like".

All this coaching just makes people seem less human, ironically the opposite of the intention. You shouldn't really have the say something, pause, think, then change your face to frowny to show you're passionate about something. Then you've got things like the bent in finger point. Ridiculous. No one does that.

I'm convinced this is all part of the draw of your Boris and Trump like characters, people are just desperate for something different.
The cult of the personality in politics all really started here:
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presi ... on-debates

The difference being those 2 were intellectual heavyweights whereas what we are being presented with are talentless morons.
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Tichtheid wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:20 am
Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:01 am I see the narrative is that Sunak is fixing the previous administration's errors, so all the shit is landing on Truss, and not anything before that.

Still, nice to see they've moved on from blaming the last Labour government for everything.

Give it a day or two.
I think Sunak will be reminded of who has been in power for the past 12 years at PMQ's later
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C T wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:34 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:24 am
Slick wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:16 pm

The advisors seem like a bunch of morons also. Truss was utterly shite but a decent team around her would have shielded her a lot better.

Why didn’t someone advise Sunak that reappointing a Home Sec who just broke the Ministerial code over secrecy and had to resign was a poor idea
Was discussing this at the weekend - Truss' advisors have a lot to answer for in terms of allowing her to believe her own publicity. For someone so devoid of talent, with poor communication skills and being not that bright she'd done incredibly well to get into high office at all. A smart team would have convinced her never to run for PM, position herself as a senior figure and push internally for the policies she likes. Instead she's totally ruined and I wouldn't be shocked to see her go as an MP at the next election.
She had the look of someone who has been massively over coached.

During a lot of her speeches I couldn't help but think "That's what a robot that we're trying to teach emotions too would look like".

All this coaching just makes people seem less human, ironically the opposite of the intention. You shouldn't really have the say something, pause, think, then change your face to frowny to show you're passionate about something. Then you've got things like the bent in finger point. Ridiculous. No one does that.

I'm convinced this is all part of the draw of your Boris and Trump like characters, people are just desperate for something different.
I had a very eccentric History teacher at school who would make us do formal debates and presentations every other week, and it is the absolute best skill school gave me for working life. Being a naturally confident presenter and public speaker is wildly undertaught, and being able to do it properly opens a huge amount of doors in later life.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:55 am
I had a very eccentric History teacher at school who would make us do formal debates and presentations every other week, and it is the absolute best skill school gave me for working life. Being a naturally confident presenter and public speaker is wildly undertaught, and being able to do it properly opens a huge amount of doors in later life.

I played rugby at a public school FP team, there was a lot of self-confidence among the alumni, that's for sure, much more so than from my own school.


On Braverman, she must have done a deal to back Sunak and bring her numbers with her in exhange for getting her job back, to hell with how it looks that she broke the ministerial code and had to resign.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:55 am
C T wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:34 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:24 am
Was discussing this at the weekend - Truss' advisors have a lot to answer for in terms of allowing her to believe her own publicity. For someone so devoid of talent, with poor communication skills and being not that bright she'd done incredibly well to get into high office at all. A smart team would have convinced her never to run for PM, position herself as a senior figure and push internally for the policies she likes. Instead she's totally ruined and I wouldn't be shocked to see her go as an MP at the next election.
She had the look of someone who has been massively over coached.

During a lot of her speeches I couldn't help but think "That's what a robot that we're trying to teach emotions too would look like".

All this coaching just makes people seem less human, ironically the opposite of the intention. You shouldn't really have the say something, pause, think, then change your face to frowny to show you're passionate about something. Then you've got things like the bent in finger point. Ridiculous. No one does that.

I'm convinced this is all part of the draw of your Boris and Trump like characters, people are just desperate for something different.
I had a very eccentric History teacher at school who would make us do formal debates and presentations every other week, and it is the absolute best skill school gave me for working life. Being a naturally confident presenter and public speaker is wildly undertaught, and being able to do it properly opens a huge amount of doors in later life.
Agreed - It's a skill that should be taught far more - and not just presentation skills but also how to prepare for the event. Another skill that is rarely taught is how to work well in a team - especially the team dynamics/behavioural psychology - understanding the different roles that need to be played in a fuly performing team.
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Ovals wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 9:22 am
Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:55 am
C T wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:34 am

She had the look of someone who has been massively over coached.

During a lot of her speeches I couldn't help but think "That's what a robot that we're trying to teach emotions too would look like".

All this coaching just makes people seem less human, ironically the opposite of the intention. You shouldn't really have the say something, pause, think, then change your face to frowny to show you're passionate about something. Then you've got things like the bent in finger point. Ridiculous. No one does that.

I'm convinced this is all part of the draw of your Boris and Trump like characters, people are just desperate for something different.
I had a very eccentric History teacher at school who would make us do formal debates and presentations every other week, and it is the absolute best skill school gave me for working life. Being a naturally confident presenter and public speaker is wildly undertaught, and being able to do it properly opens a huge amount of doors in later life.
Agreed - It's a skill that should be taught far more - and not just presentation skills but also how to prepare for the event. Another skill that is rarely taught is how to work well in a team - especially the team dynamics/behavioural psychology - understanding the different roles that need to be played in a fuly performing team.

I was speaking to a mate yesterday who said his sister is leaving teaching after 25 years, she is fastidious and cares very deeply about her pupils but funding per student has been cut to approximately half and she just cannot do the job properly with the resources she has, this has led to her spending weekends in tears, feelings of depression and anxiety.
Her husband is also a teacher, he regularly does 70 hour weeks.

Give the schools the resources to teach rarefied subjects that can't really be measured, by all means, I'm 100% with you, but they could start by giving the schools the resources they need now
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Slick wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:16 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:23 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:57 pm ........and Coffey gets moved from Health to Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. I'm sure she'll enjoy the food bit.
These are so much the same old faces who have fucked us over for years. Where is the new, younger talent? If there is any,
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Fuck me! Barclay to Health.
The younger newer talent are morons like Gullis.

None of this should come as a surprise, guys. The Tory party is in hock to an extremist faction and has been overtaken by the right and far-right. Instead of the occasional dog whistle to the racists, they've become a clone of UKIP with some BNP thrown in there for good measure.

There's no mass of reasonable Tories with more centrist ideas. It's a faction of lunatics and grasping narcissists.
The advisors seem like a bunch of morons also. Truss was utterly shite but a decent team around her would have shielded her a lot better.

Why didn’t someone advise Sunak that reappointing a Home Sec who just broke the Ministerial code over secrecy and had to resign was a poor idea
Because they don't give a shit and why should they? What's actually going to happen? Some of us who are actually engaged with politics will tut and say it's disgraceful and then move on to the next objectionable thing the Tories do. The media won't hammer it enough to keep it alive as an issue. On top of which there's been a general trend of very little tangible consequence for cabinet members' misdeeds. Johnson may have eventually resigned in sort of disgrace, but he got away with so much more than he's currently being investigated for and was still ahead of Mordaunt in this latest leadership election even if he might not have met the threshold to actually compete. Patel got away with her bullying while in office and was appointed to that office despite off the books, potentially treasonous, meetings with foreign governments. I'm 90% sure that Braverman only played along with resigning under Truss because she (like everyone) knew it wouldn't really mean anything.

The advisers aren't morons, they're psychopathic think tank ideologues who know their puppet politicians are operating with a commanding majority and can push even unpopular ideas through parliament. Witness the recent fracking vote. Despite all the furore and titillating detail of the night, it passed even though it contravenes the manifesto and the will of most MPs' constituents.
Competent, sensible senior civil servants have been forced out to make way for more and more of these fucks over the years.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 9:37 am
Slick wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:16 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:23 pm

The younger newer talent are morons like Gullis.

None of this should come as a surprise, guys. The Tory party is in hock to an extremist faction and has been overtaken by the right and far-right. Instead of the occasional dog whistle to the racists, they've become a clone of UKIP with some BNP thrown in there for good measure.

There's no mass of reasonable Tories with more centrist ideas. It's a faction of lunatics and grasping narcissists.
The advisors seem like a bunch of morons also. Truss was utterly shite but a decent team around her would have shielded her a lot better.

Why didn’t someone advise Sunak that reappointing a Home Sec who just broke the Ministerial code over secrecy and had to resign was a poor idea
Because they don't give a shit and why should they? What's actually going to happen? Some of us who are actually engaged with politics will tut and say it's disgraceful and then move on to the next objectionable thing the Tories do. The media won't hammer it enough to keep it alive as an issue. On top of which there's been a general trend of very little tangible consequence for cabinet members' misdeeds. Johnson may have eventually resigned in sort of disgrace, but he got away with so much more than he's currently being investigated for and was still ahead of Mordaunt in this latest leadership election even if he might not have met the threshold to actually compete. Patel got away with her bullying while in office and was appointed to that office despite off the books, potentially treasonous, meetings with foreign governments. I'm 90% sure that Braverman only played along with resigning under Truss because she (like everyone) knew it wouldn't really mean anything.

The advisers aren't morons, they're psychopathic think tank ideologues who know their puppet politicians are operating with a commanding majority and can push even unpopular ideas through parliament. Witness the recent fracking vote. Despite all the furore and titillating detail of the night, it passed even though it contravenes the manifesto and the will of most MPs' constituents.
Competent, sensible senior civil servants have been forced out to make way for more and more of these fucks over the years.
Depressingly true.
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