Week 3 France vs Springbokke

[SaintK]

Well done France. The match was too late for me, but I'll try and find the replay on Youtube.

Pity to see Rassie back on Twitter doing his usual thing with the ref. I think long-term he's really not helping the Boks cause on the field.

I hadn't realised that until I googled it
He is a stain on the game and the sooner you guys get shot of him the better

[boere wors]

It's really pathetic. Wtf is wrong with him??

[assfly]

I hadn't realised that until I googled it
He is a stain on the game and the sooner you guys get shot of him the better

There's not much us guys can do about it. But I think most Bok fans are getting tired of it.

I'd prefer it if he explained what he's going to do about our discipline. You can't beat the top teams in the world with red and yellow cards.

[PCPhil]

He’s like the Trump of rugby. Doesn’t really care about stirring sh1t as long as he keeps his base support (double meaning there) happy.

[Margin__Walker]

Just catching up with Rassie being completely on one this morning.

Honestly I've never seen a worse loser than him. What a poor quality human being

[assfly]

He’s like the Trump of rugby. Doesn’t really care about stirring sh1t as long as he keeps his base support (double meaning there) happy.

The majority of Bok fans are rolling their eyes at him.

The last two test were lost by indiscipline and poor kicking. He should be focusing on those things.

[_Os_]

I hadn't realised that until I googled it
He is a stain on the game and the sooner you guys get shot of him the better

There's not much us guys can do about it. But I think most Bok fans are getting tired of it.

I'd prefer it if he explained what he's going to do about our discipline. You can't beat the top teams in the world with red and yellow cards.

Meh, I'm not bothered by it. I don't care what other fans think of us they never rated or liked us anyway, which has been constant my entire life (eg our players need to be basically GOAT level before they're rated by foreigners). The over the top gracious loser speeches of Jean de Villiers and HM annoyed me more tbh.

Rassie has some serious tappit energy, he doesn't put himself above the players and they'll go through walls for him. Rugby isn't some upper class game in SA. This is who we are.

Definitely don't support getting rid of him at all. They're in every match they play, small margins. Only need to win enough pool games to qualify for the knockouts then win three probably close matches to win a RWC. Probbaly not going to do that with HM grovelling in front of the Haka and Jean de Villiers thanking the other side for defeating him.

[Paddington Bear]

There’s a very good chance it gets inside the heads of refs at the world cup. It’s pathetic and WR should come down like a ton of bricks on him

[PCPhil]

I hadn't realised that until I googled it
He is a stain on the game and the sooner you guys get shot of him the better

There's not much us guys can do about it. But I think most Bok fans are getting tired of it.

I'd prefer it if he explained what he's going to do about our discipline. You can't beat the top teams in the world with red and yellow cards.

Meh, I'm not bothered by it. I don't care what other fans think of us they never rated or liked us anyway, which has been constant my entire life (eg our players need to be basically GOAT level before they're rated by foreigners). The over the top gracious loser speeches of Jean de Villiers and HM annoyed me more tbh.

Rassie has some serious tappit energy, he doesn't put himself above the players and they'll go through walls for him. Rugby isn't some upper class game in SA. This is who we are.

Definitely don't support getting rid of him at all. They're in every match they play, small margins. Only need to win enough pool games to qualify for the knockouts then win three probably close matches to win a RWC. Probbaly not going to do that with HM grovelling in front of the Haka and Jean de Villiers thanking the other side for defeating him.

Firstly you are and have been rated highly as a team and individuals over many years and always got on well with saffas over a beer.
Secondly it really is out of the trump playbook what he’s doing. Just on a more tinpot level.

[_Os_]

There's not much us guys can do about it. But I think most Bok fans are getting tired of it.

I'd prefer it if he explained what he's going to do about our discipline. You can't beat the top teams in the world with red and yellow cards.

Meh, I'm not bothered by it. I don't care what other fans think of us they never rated or liked us anyway, which has been constant my entire life (eg our players need to be basically GOAT level before they're rated by foreigners). The over the top gracious loser speeches of Jean de Villiers and HM annoyed me more tbh.

Rassie has some serious tappit energy, he doesn't put himself above the players and they'll go through walls for him. Rugby isn't some upper class game in SA. This is who we are.

Definitely don't support getting rid of him at all. They're in every match they play, small margins. Only need to win enough pool games to qualify for the knockouts then win three probably close matches to win a RWC. Probbaly not going to do that with HM grovelling in front of the Haka and Jean de Villiers thanking the other side for defeating him.

Firstly you are and have been rated highly as a team and individuals over many years and always got on well with saffas over a beer.
Secondly it really is out of the trump playbook what he’s doing. Just on a more tinpot level.

His job is to get the best out of the players, not make foreign fans happy (something I think is impossible regardless ... fucking no one has the Boks as their second team). That is my only point on this.

Peter de Villiers is similar in some ways, he had a very normal/ordinary background too. Jake White is more uptight but definitely showed no deference to anyone either. Only Jake White/Peter de Villiers/Rassie and Nienaber, have won anything with the Boks this century. Foreigners tend to not rate any of them. But the sort of cap doffing forelock tugging person foreigners do like, will never get the best out of South Africans.

[PCPhil]

Know your place, peasant!

[Sards]

Well done France. The match was too late for me, but I'll try and find the replay on Youtube.

Pity to see Rassie back on Twitter doing his usual thing with the ref. I think long-term he's really not helping the Boks cause on the field.

You will be surprised at how gullible South African fans are. It's a complete mystery how they are rallying behind " Rassie, the Master tactician.".
Vok that. He has been using Jake White's tactics from 2007 and added vokol .
Except for his " videos "

[Sards]

Geez....its embarrassing out there on social media.

[OomStruisbaai]

Geez....its embarrassing out there on social media.

Now you get the feel when you blame the ref/tmo when the Stormers play.

[PCPhil]

Geez....its embarrassing out there on social media.

Clearly according to some, if it gets results then all coaches should be doing it.
MSAGA

[LoveOfTheGame]

Meh, I'm not bothered by it. I don't care what other fans think of us they never rated or liked us anyway, which has been constant my entire life (eg our players need to be basically GOAT level before they're rated by foreigners). The over the top gracious loser speeches of Jean de Villiers and HM annoyed me more tbh.

Rassie has some serious tappit energy, he doesn't put himself above the players and they'll go through walls for him. Rugby isn't some upper class game in SA. This is who we are.

Definitely don't support getting rid of him at all. They're in every match they play, small margins. Only need to win enough pool games to qualify for the knockouts then win three probably close matches to win a RWC. Probbaly not going to do that with HM grovelling in front of the Haka and Jean de Villiers thanking the other side for defeating him.

Firstly you are and have been rated highly as a team and individuals over many years and always got on well with saffas over a beer.
Secondly it really is out of the trump playbook what he’s doing. Just on a more tinpot level.

His job is to get the best out of the players, not make foreign fans happy (something I think is impossible regardless ... fucking no one has the Boks as their second team). That is my only point on this.

Peter de Villiers is similar in some ways, he had a very normal/ordinary background too. Jake White is more uptight but definitely showed no deference to anyone either. Only Jake White/Peter de Villiers/Rassie and Nienaber, have won anything with the Boks this century. Foreigners tend to not rate any of them. But the sort of cap doffing forelock tugging person foreigners do like, will never get the best out of South Africans.

Ox, you’re talking out your backside. It’s got f all to do with what the opposition thinks of us, it goes against the very ethos of rugby. There is no need for it and ironically does our reputation more damage than good. He needs to stop, all this fame in SA is getting to him and he has ruined all the good he has done.

[Monk]

Ox is spot on

[Sards]

Everyone in the world is laughing at us dude.
I personally don't like that.

It's a condition called pride. We should all have it .

[Monk]

Everyone in the world is laughing at us dude.
I personally don't like that.

It's a condition called pride. We should all have it .

Lose your insecurities

[Sards]

Everyone in the world is laughing at us dude.
I personally don't like that.

It's a condition called pride. We should all have it .

Lose your insecurities

Pride is an insecurity?

[OomStruisbaai]

Everyone in the world is laughing at us dude.
I personally don't like that.

It's a condition called pride. We should all have it .

Lose your insecurities

Pride is an insecurity?

You have no pride.

[Clogs]

Bokke fans need many pride.

[Raggs]

Surely the players have got to feel a bit embarrassed about it too? Think he did a right hatchet job in the lions, and it paid off, he should have kept quiet from then on, and saved the next one for when it's important, it's a nasty strategy, but at least I could understand it. Doing it after every single loss is just going to be pissing off more people and not getting the big reaction he'd want I reckon. Come knockout games, the ref that knocks SA out, may simply be doing a favour for the next refs...

[Raggs]

It's a funny old game now where more or less any incidental contact with the head results in a red card but players are allowed to jump in the air, leading with the knee straight into someone's face.

I have been making this point for a while.

It's a matter of risk... if you fly head first into a ruck, with no attempt to wrap, then there's a fair old chance you'll smash someone in the head. You are taking that risk, and putting someone else's health at risk.

In the tackle, if you're tackling upright, it's the same thing, you're massively increasing the risk of creating a damaging head contact. Your choice to tackle high.

When it comes to catching a high ball, it should be fecking obvious, that other people are going to be trying to get to it, and they'll most likely be jumping. If you aren't jumping, you're not competing, if you're not competing you're simply putting those who are at risk. Yes, you have a chance of a flying knee to the head, but you're still the one choosing not to jump (much like tackling upright, your head is likely to get a smack too). It's a matter of predicting reasonable behaviour, and in the case of claiming a kick, it's reasonably for people to jump to take it, therefore it's reasonable to make sure you're actually in a position to compete.

[Sards]

3 minutes for Manie....shocking

[Sards]

Anyone seen the Ben Smith tweet.


Bokke on 27 percent against NZ, Aus England, Ireland and France. Let that sink in...

[assfly]

I finally got to watch the match.

A bit like the Ireland game, I felt we actually played quite well overall. If a few more passes stuck we could have run in a couple more tries. I though Willie le Roux was outstanding, and I'd like to see him and Willemse have a few more games together where they interchange so much.

I feel for PSdT. It was a horror red card, but reaction afterwards was quite moving. Not sure we'll see him again this year.

Fourie on the other hand. He's no Schalk Brits, so can we just stop this ridiculous experiment.

Barnes was definitely pissed with us at the end, but that may also have something to do with how we manage him.

[average joe]

Kwagga had a bad game and Sous looked like cheap Mayonnaise instead of Mustard. Securing kick-offs are critical especially so for locks and no8.

PSDT should be cited. Perhaps it's a blessing. Clear red card. Accident or no accident there's no room for that in the game anymore.

Dupont should not be cited. Clear red card. Accident or no accident there's no room for that in the game anymore.

Willies pass was not forward.

The froggie was not held in the tackle. Even Barnes knew he fucked that one up.

The other froggie was crawling on his hands and knees to score that last try. No try, but Barnes wouldn't know he fucked that one up. It should be in the third official's mandate.

On a side note, if Kolbe and Faf are this good at kicking for post, why the fok did we ask Willemse to kick in previous tests when we knew he was kak at it?

All in all, a very close game again. The French deserve the win, congrats to all the froggies.

[assfly]

I think the last French try was ok, I don't think it was such an exaggerated movement to be an issue.

But the who situation with the TMO was fucked up. How can comms go down like that and everyone was ok? Lord help us if that happens in a RWC game.

[average joe]

It doesn't need to be an exaggerated movement (what does that even mean, does he need to hop like a real froggy?)

You are allowed to reach over and place the ball. You are not allowed to crawl. He clearly pushes forward (crawling) with his hand twice before grounding the ball.

[LoveOfTheGame]

I think the last French try was ok, I don't think it was such an exaggerated movement to be an issue.

But the who situation with the TMO was fucked up. How can comms go down like that and everyone was ok? Lord help us if that happens in a RWC game.

Yup, they also seemed to have enough cameras to keep going back to PSDT, but for some unknown reason seemed to really struggle with replays whenever a decision was a tad controversial against the Boks.

[Sards]

It doesn't need to be an exaggerated movement (what does that even mean, does he need to hop like a real froggy?)

You are allowed to reach over and place the ball. You are not allowed to crawl. He clearly pushes forward (crawling) with his hand twice before grounding the ball.

The rule is you can move forward as long as you are not using your knees on the ground to do so.

[Raggs]

It doesn't need to be an exaggerated movement (what does that even mean, does he need to hop like a real froggy?)

You are allowed to reach over and place the ball. You are not allowed to crawl. He clearly pushes forward (crawling) with his hand twice before grounding the ball.

It's only a tackle when his knee hits the floor. His knee doesn't hit the floor until after his head and shoulders are over the line (the ball may well be too, or very close), the moment his knee hits the floor, the tacklers should also technically release and allow him to place the ball, considering some of his body was already on/over the line, I don't think it's particularly unfair to award the try.

[Blake]

On a side note, if Kolbe and Faf are this good at kicking for post, why the fok did we ask Willemse to kick in previous tests when we knew he was kak at it?

Problem is that they are not reliably that good, but then again very few of our kickers are.
Libbok, Elton and even Pollard have had some shocking goal kicking displays.
Willemse had a bad day with the boot against Ireland and it cost us, pollard had a bad day with the boot against the Aussies and it cost us.

We have 75% kickers night now, not the 90% kickers we were blessed with in Monty (towards the end), Morne Steyn and even Lambie.

[average joe]

It doesn't need to be an exaggerated movement (what does that even mean, does he need to hop like a real froggy?)

You are allowed to reach over and place the ball. You are not allowed to crawl. He clearly pushes forward (crawling) with his hand twice before grounding the ball.

It's only a tackle when his knee hits the floor. His knee doesn't hit the floor until after his head and shoulders are over the line (the ball may well be too, or very close), the moment his knee hits the floor, the tacklers should also technically release and allow him to place the ball, considering some of his body was already on/over the line, I don't think it's particularly unfair to award the try.

His head is on the turf, he pushes once. Then his knee touches and he push again.

If it's all about the knee, then we can have players laying on their backs and pushing forward with their legs or just arse drag themselves over the try line, as long as their knees don't touch it's fine.

[Sards]

It doesn't need to be an exaggerated movement (what does that even mean, does he need to hop like a real froggy?)

You are allowed to reach over and place the ball. You are not allowed to crawl. He clearly pushes forward (crawling) with his hand twice before grounding the ball.

It's only a tackle when his knee hits the floor. His knee doesn't hit the floor until after his head and shoulders are over the line (the ball may well be too, or very close), the moment his knee hits the floor, the tacklers should also technically release and allow him to place the ball, considering some of his body was already on/over the line, I don't think it's particularly unfair to award the try.

Thats how I understand it...and considering Rassie has made no 60 minute video on it I suspect they know it too , but instead of accepting it in the media the fans are all fueled up and defacing Barnes wiki account and acting like Rassie clones, blaming the ref for every loss.

" World rugby is out to get the boks and make us lose against all top tier nations "....its a tin pot conspiracy man......


deal with the loss.

[Torquemada 1420]

Rugby isn't some upper class game in SA. This is who we are.

A curious comment. Was Apartheid not a form class segregation then?

[Torquemada 1420]

Some pretty bad form from the Pieter van Zyl types. The decision Barnes got terrible wrong was the Macalou breakout which was never a tackle and could easily have resulted in a try whereas, instead, it was 3 points to the Boks. Almost an incorrect, game changing moment. Also, SA could easily have had de Allende red carded along with du Twat.

[Chilli]

Rugby isn't some upper class game in SA. This is who we are.

A curious comment. Was Apartheid not a form class segregation then?

You do know that Apartheid ended in the mid 90's?

[average joe]

Anyways, regardless of all the mistakes the officials made, it was a close game and the try stood. The French deserved the victory. If we won, I would have said the same.