Stop voting for fucking Tories

[I like neeps]

How many people don't have a driving licence or passport? And the younger you are the more likely you are to carry your driving licence around with you

If you use gov.uk 74% have driving licences in the UK - more whites than other ethnicities. And if you don't have a driving licence you probably live in the type of area that driving is not important e.g. London and what would you have in London? An oyster card!

9.2m people in the UK don't have a passport according to the govt but no age breakdown.

This is an obvious plot to disenfranchise Labour voters rather than a solution to any problem as tichtheid points out no problem exists. Shameful politics.

Thanks. Anecdote does not = data but the number of oyster cards you see has collapsed since contactless became a thing on TfL. Fwiw I see no reason why you shouldn't have to show ID to vote, but provision of a voter ID card when you register on the electoral roll would seem sensible.

True but unless we have an extremely ineffective regulator (which is possible as most of them seem to be) there's just not a problem with electoral fraud that demands any response. This is purely a stop opposition voters voting solution.

[dpedin]

If you use gov.uk 74% have driving licences in the UK - more whites than other ethnicities. And if you don't have a driving licence you probably live in the type of area that driving is not important e.g. London and what would you have in London? An oyster card!

9.2m people in the UK don't have a passport according to the govt but no age breakdown.

This is an obvious plot to disenfranchise Labour voters rather than a solution to any problem as tichtheid points out no problem exists. Shameful politics.

Thanks. Anecdote does not = data but the number of oyster cards you see has collapsed since contactless became a thing on TfL. Fwiw I see no reason why you shouldn't have to show ID to vote, but provision of a voter ID card when you register on the electoral roll would seem sensible.

True but unless we have an extremely ineffective regulator (which is possible as most of them seem to be) there's just not a problem with electoral fraud that demands any response. This is purely a stop opposition voters voting solution.

This! We have almost zero voter fraud and literally zero evidence that there has been any election that has been influenced by dodgy voters. This is purely an attempt to sway the election in the direction of the Tories and ironically we the taxpayer are paying for this complete and utter waste of time and money. I would be surprised if there isn't a legal action against this voter ID scheme prior to next election which in all likelihood might be successful.

[Lobby]

Thanks. Anecdote does not = data but the number of oyster cards you see has collapsed since contactless became a thing on TfL. Fwiw I see no reason why you shouldn't have to show ID to vote, but provision of a voter ID card when you register on the electoral roll would seem sensible.

True but unless we have an extremely ineffective regulator (which is possible as most of them seem to be) there's just not a problem with electoral fraud that demands any response. This is purely a stop opposition voters voting solution.

This! We have almost zero voter fraud and literally zero evidence that there has been any election that has been influenced by dodgy voters. This is purely an attempt to sway the election in the direction of the Tories and ironically we the taxpayer are paying for this complete and utter waste of time and money. I would be surprised if there isn't a legal action against this voter ID scheme prior to next election which in all likelihood might be successful.

While there have been very few cases of election fraud, there have been some.

The 2014 election of Lutfur Rahman as Mayor of Tower Hamlets was eventually declared void on the grounds of corrupt and illegal practices by him and his agents, and general corruption that was considered so extensive that it was reasonable to suppose that it had affected the election. The illegal activities carried out by Rahman included religious intimidation through local imams, vote-rigging and falsely branding his Labour rival a racist to gain power.

Rahman was found personally guilty by the court of making false statements about a candidate, bribery, and undue spiritual influence. The court also found Rahman guilty by his agents of personation, postal vote offences, provision of false information to a registration officer, voting when not entitled, making false statements about a candidate, payment of canvassers, bribery, and undue spiritual influence.

Rahman was banned from holding public office for 5 years and struck off as a solicitor. Sadly, he was re-elected as Mayor in 2020 as soon as the ban expired.

It might be worth noting that these charges were brought by 4 local residents as both the police and the electoral commission had declined to investigate the allegations made against Rahman.

Aside from Tower Hamlets however, you are right that there is very little evidence that electoral fraud is an issue in other parts of the country.

[I like neeps]

True but unless we have an extremely ineffective regulator (which is possible as most of them seem to be) there's just not a problem with electoral fraud that demands any response. This is purely a stop opposition voters voting solution.

This! We have almost zero voter fraud and literally zero evidence that there has been any election that has been influenced by dodgy voters. This is purely an attempt to sway the election in the direction of the Tories and ironically we the taxpayer are paying for this complete and utter waste of time and money. I would be surprised if there isn't a legal action against this voter ID scheme prior to next election which in all likelihood might be successful.

While there have been very few cases of election fraud, there have been some.

The 2014 election of Lutfur Rahman as Mayor of Tower Hamlets was eventually declared void on the grounds of corrupt and illegal practices by him and his agents, and general corruption that was considered so extensive that it was reasonable to suppose that it had affected the election. The illegal activities carried out by Rahman included religious intimidation through local imams, vote-rigging and falsely branding his Labour rival a racist to gain power.

Rahman was found personally guilty by the court of making false statements about a candidate, bribery, and undue spiritual influence. The court also found Rahman guilty by his agents of personation, postal vote offences, provision of false information to a registration officer, voting when not entitled, making false statements about a candidate, payment of canvassers, bribery, and undue spiritual influence.

Rahman was banned from holding public office for 5 years and struck off as a solicitor. Sadly, he was re-elected as Mayor in 2020 as soon as the ban expired.

It might be worth noting that these charges were brought by 4 local residents as both the police and the electoral commission had declined to investigate the allegations made against Rahman.

Aside from Tower Hamlets however, you are right that there is very little evidence that electoral fraud is an issue in other parts of the country.

Even in this case there's no evidence of voter fraud so whether the electoral ID laws would've prevented this past just making it more difficult to minorities to vote is entirely questionable at best.

[Lobby]

This! We have almost zero voter fraud and literally zero evidence that there has been any election that has been influenced by dodgy voters. This is purely an attempt to sway the election in the direction of the Tories and ironically we the taxpayer are paying for this complete and utter waste of time and money. I would be surprised if there isn't a legal action against this voter ID scheme prior to next election which in all likelihood might be successful.

While there have been very few cases of election fraud, there have been some.

The 2014 election of Lutfur Rahman as Mayor of Tower Hamlets was eventually declared void on the grounds of corrupt and illegal practices by him and his agents, and general corruption that was considered so extensive that it was reasonable to suppose that it had affected the election. The illegal activities carried out by Rahman included religious intimidation through local imams, vote-rigging and falsely branding his Labour rival a racist to gain power.

Rahman was found personally guilty by the court of making false statements about a candidate, bribery, and undue spiritual influence. The court also found Rahman guilty by his agents of personation, postal vote offences, provision of false information to a registration officer, voting when not entitled, making false statements about a candidate, payment of canvassers, bribery, and undue spiritual influence.

Rahman was banned from holding public office for 5 years and struck off as a solicitor. Sadly, he was re-elected as Mayor in 2020 as soon as the ban expired.

It might be worth noting that these charges were brought by 4 local residents as both the police and the electoral commission had declined to investigate the allegations made against Rahman.

Aside from Tower Hamlets however, you are right that there is very little evidence that electoral fraud is an issue in other parts of the country.

Even in this case there's no evidence of voter fraud so whether the electoral ID laws would've prevented this past just making it more difficult to minorities to vote is entirely questionable at best.

I'm not sure what you consider to be 'voter fraud', but I would have thought that voting with a false registration in the name of another person and using multiple registrations to vote more than once would normally both count as 'voter fraud', along with tampering with postal votes and ballot papers.

However, I do agree that this particular instance of fraud and corruption does not at all justify the introduction of voter ID across the country, and that the primary reason why the Tories are pushing this is to make it harder for minorities and younger people to vote. In this, they appear to be following the Republican's modus operandi of disenfranchising people who don't vote for them.

I suspect as well that there is an element of pandering to UKIP and other right-wing racists, who invariably cast aspersions on postal voting in areas with large asian communities.

[tabascoboy]

See so many posts on Twatter arguing that the Tories are now a left wing party and we need a real Conservative Party of the right

And yet support for the harder right Reform Party in recent polls has dropped with Labour and Lib Dem steady. So essentially I guess we either have an army of bots and trolls pumping out pro-lower taxes anti EU and immigration posts or there isn't a party that's far enough right for a noisy minority

[SaintK]

So disgraced, vervant anti-Europe former MP Owen Patterson is now launching a case against the nUK government at the European Court of Human Rights!!!

As the court explains in a summary of the case, Paterson “complains that his article 8 rights [to privacy] were infringed [by the inquiry process that led to his resignation], as the public finding that he had breached the code of conduct damaged his good reputation, and that the process by which the allegations against him were investigated and considered was not fair in many basic respects”.

[dpedin]

So disgraced, vervant anti-Europe former MP Owen Patterson is now launching a case against the nUK government at the European Court of Human Rights!!!

As the court explains in a summary of the case, Paterson “complains that his article 8 rights [to privacy] were infringed [by the inquiry process that led to his resignation], as the public finding that he had breached the code of conduct damaged his good reputation, and that the process by which the allegations against him were investigated and considered was not fair in many basic respects”.

This is an attempt to discredit the Commons processes before they sit and judge on the Blonde Bumblecunt case. They know the Pile of Turd will be found guilty and it would be pretty disastrous for any planned comeback as PM so they fund/send in the useful idiot and chum Owen Patterson to try and scupper the Commons processes. It is a bit of a double edged sword for the Tories to say the least as It might put the ECHR above the sovereignty of the HoC processes. They dont care though as they will do anything to protect the Blonde Lump of Lard and I have no doubt there will be some dodgy dark money funding this case by Patterson. I wonder if his mate who owns Randox and has the Jockey Club links with Dido Harding/Matt Hancock/John Penrose/etc are involved?

[fishfoodie]

I think Raab is fucked !

He probably thought he was being clever by instigating an inquiry into himself; but as soon as he did, there were a couple of formal complaints, & now it sounds like there could be a few more.

You can weather a single complaint, & possibly a second, if your lucky; but beyond that, it's obvious to one n all, that the problem is you, & not the people complaining !

Dominic Raab is facing multiple formal complaints from Ministry of Justice (MoJ) civil servants over allegations of bullying behaviour during his previous stint running the department, the Guardian has been told.

The justice secretary has vowed to “thoroughly rebut and refute” the two official complaints he is already facing, one from the MoJ and one from his time as foreign secretary, but further formal allegations will be a blow to his attempts to clear his name.

Downing Street is understood to have appointed an independent figure, expected to be announced on Wednesday, to conduct the inquiry into the deputy prime minister’s alleged behaviour. They will not be limited in the scope of what claims they investigate.

A human resources director within the MoJ has been appointed to collate any complaints made by officials before they are handed over to the Cabinet Office, where the investigator, believed to come from outside government and not be a serving civil servant, will be based.

MoJ sources claimed that “a handful” of formal complaints had now been made, beyond the initial one from a group of mid-ranking civil servants in the department, who said that Raab oversaw a “perverse culture of fear” that damaged civil servants’ mental and physical wellbeing, while other officials had asked for advice.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... l-servants

[C69]

Let's face it Raab has been known to be a narcissist bully for years. A real nasty piece of work totally self absorbed and out of touch with real people.
Feck the nasty cnut

[Line6 HXFX]

Don't vote tory thread still going?

People who vote tory don't give a shit, you know that right?
I had a litteral heart attack from the stress of jobseeking. Thought I was going to be sanctioned all the time, got so stressed (nightmares etc) I woke up having chest pain.
43 at the time. My heart nearly exploded.
That's how much the bedroom tax and threat of sanctions worried me.

That I could be destitute at any second.
Did that make me more employable?
Being stress tested to destruction?
Of course not.
This place is still a jobless enclave.
Still 3000 applicants per job.
Less of a chance to get one, now my heart is fucked.

But hey, tory voters love it.
Punishing me and stress testing me to destruction is just Red meat to them.
Their contempt is self serving, it serves them to have contempt so they do.

And the problem with self serving contempt is no indignity, no punishment, no policy or reform is ever going to be enough fir them. It serves them to have contempt so they do, no matter what has gone before.

[Slick]

Let's face it Raab has been known to be a narcissist bully for years. A real nasty piece of work totally self absorbed and out of touch with real people.
Feck the nasty cnut

Meh. Think we have to bear in mind that most civil servants are a bunch of fannies.

[Biffer]

Let's face it Raab has been known to be a narcissist bully for years. A real nasty piece of work totally self absorbed and out of touch with real people.
Feck the nasty cnut

Meh. Think we have to bear in mind that most civil servants are a bunch of fannies.

Thanks.

[Slick]

Let's face it Raab has been known to be a narcissist bully for years. A real nasty piece of work totally self absorbed and out of touch with real people.
Feck the nasty cnut

Meh. Think we have to bear in mind that most civil servants are a bunch of fannies.

Thanks.

Thought you might enjoy that

I did say "most"

[tabascoboy]

She can't even inspire confidence to a fellow Tory MP

[Hal Jordan]

She wasn't appointed for her intelligence, probity, political acumen or savvy. She was appointed to be Minister for Culture War and Owning The Libs.

[fishfoodie]

She wasn't appointed for her intelligence, probity, political acumen or savvy. She was appointed to be Minister for Culture War and Owning The Libs.

She was appointed because she was the worst lawyer in the Party, & thus could be relied on to rubber stamp the most obviously illegal Bills.

AG is one of the most important jobs in Government, & handing it to her, showed the contempt the Tories have for the Rule of Law !

[tabascoboy]

A cynic might think she's been installed to fail and be the patsy for general government incompetence, but apparently they genuinely appear to believes she's the best choice as Home Sec???

"Don't come to the UK illegally as there are safe legal routes!"
"What are those routes?"
" mumbles something about Ukraine and Afghanistan"


And this took over 2 months to sort out...

Suella Braverman warned four times of potential Manston law breach

Home Secretary Suella Braverman was warned four times in September and October her department was potentially breaking the law by keeping migrants at Kent's Manston centre, MPs have heard.

Previous reports suggested Ms Braverman was told failing to provide alternative accommodation was in breach of the law.

Ms Braverman told the Home Affairs Select Committee she would not comment on leaked documents.

However, she said she was aware from September Manston had a problem.

[SaintK]

She can't even inspire confidence to a fellow Tory MP

Well played Tim Loughton!
Thick as mince and so far out of her depth. Not sure what the good folk of Fareham have done to deserve her, or us come to that

[SaintK]

Well there's a surprise.

The privileges committee inquiry into whether Boris Johnson misled the Commons may be delayed until January, after No 10 finally handed over a cache of evidence relating to Partygate four months after it was requested.
The Guardian understands that the autumn deadline for beginning oral evidence sessions, in which the former prime minister will be called as a witness, has been abandoned. Instead, sources said the highly anticipated sessions could be pushed back to after Christmas.
The delay has been blamed on the Cabinet Office digging its heels in and resisting providing key information requested four months ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... 0-delay

[sockwithaticket]

She can't even inspire confidence to a fellow Tory MP

Well played Tim Loughton!
Thick as mince and so far out of her depth. Not sure what the good folk of Fareham have done to deserve her, or us come to that

It's been a Tory safe seat for decades, that always brings with it the possibility of having the party's most hapless, yet most ambitious, parachuted in. They only have themselves to blame really.

[dpedin]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... e-ppe-firm

Eventually catching up with the thieving bastards! Jail is too good for some of them ....

[dpedin]

They are beginning to shit themselves now as all details about their dodgy deals come home to roost. The Mone deal is just one of many that will not stand up to scrutiny and once the domino falls over there will be a lot more dragged into the shit. They will try hard to derail or delay any investigation into their wrong doings just as they are doing with the Blonde Bumblecunt, Raab bullying, Patterson fiasco, Immense contract, Brexit disaster, etc etc but they will ultimately fail. The whole steaming pile of corrupt shit will be uncovered.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Nothing too bad in what Gove says there. But it doesn't mean it's not really bad, it's going to stand or fall on what passed for the official process he's constantly trying to pass the buck to

[dpedin]

Nothing too bad in what Gove says there. But it doesn't mean it's not really bad, it's going to stand or fall on what passed for the official process he's constantly trying to pass the buck to

This has legs

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Nothing too bad in what Gove says there. But it doesn't mean it's not really bad, it's going to stand or fall on what passed for the official process he's constantly trying to pass the buck to

This has legs

Just as regards Gove if he instantly alerted officials and subsequently saw a suitable process followed he might be okay.

From the outside it looks like a mix of corruption/nepotism, fraud, theft and incompetence, even if set in circumstances that would likely good people trying to act in good fashion struggle. And it's not good it's taken so long to even vaguely start to look into PPE, Test & Trace and so on. Though this is being brought to us by the team who have no issue using £100k of public money for Boris to spend time with Jenny Arcuri, and the Met police who fundamentally consider it wrong to look into crime committed by the senior persons

[C T]

Nothing too bad in what Gove says there. But it doesn't mean it's not really bad, it's going to stand or fall on what passed for the official process he's constantly trying to pass the buck to

This has legs

Just as regards Gove if he instantly alerted officials and subsequently saw a suitable process followed he might be okay.

From the outside it looks like a mix of corruption/nepotism, fraud, theft and incompetence, even if set in circumstances that would likely good people trying to act in good fashion struggle. And it's not good it's taken so long to even vaguely start to look into PPE, Test & Trace and so on. Though this is being brought to us by the team who have no issue using £100k of public money for Boris to spend time with Jenny Arcuri, and the Met police who fundamentally consider it wrong to look into crime committed by the senior persons

I'd love to know how many contacts were put forward by Tory MP's, how much was awarded to these contacts and then how much PPE was actually delivered. Then of course how much of this money made it's way back to the MP/party for their help.

What this is unlikely to cover of course is the huge amount of contacts the were put forward that were utter nonsense and weren't awarded anything. The CS had to prioritise looking at these because of the pressure applied meaning legit companies being later down the line.

It is a horrendous thought process. The country is in a state of emergency, I know the usual competition regulations are on hold, time to apply pressure and get all my mates through, that might delay the contracts going to the legit people who can actually help and mean a load of tax payers money is wasted on junk, but at least I'll be quid's in.

It would be nice to provide a bit of a balance and speak about other party MP's that got caught up in this but it was all Tories.

[Blackmac]

I see the cnuts have refused to even meet with the nursing unions. I think too many of them still think that nurses merely wipe arses and make beds.

[SaintK]

Abandon ship!! Abandon ship!!

MPs are already predicting as many as 50 colleagues may decide not to stand in 2024, having looked at the state of the polls.
Conservative MPs have been given a deadline of 5 December to declare whether they plan to stand down at the next election. The date coincides with the final decision on boundaries for the next election, so that Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) can start to look at the full electoral picture with new constituencies.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... intention

[Hal Jordan]

I see the cnuts have refused to even meet with the nursing unions. I think too many of them still think that nurses merely wipe arses and make beds.

Run it into the ground and when the public demands something is done, flog it cheap to the chums to save it.

[C69]

I see the cnuts have refused to even meet with the nursing unions. I think too many of them still think that nurses merely wipe arses and make beds.

HCAs do that now

[fishfoodie]

Abandon ship!! Abandon ship!!

MPs are already predicting as many as 50 colleagues may decide not to stand in 2024, having looked at the state of the polls.
Conservative MPs have been given a deadline of 5 December to declare whether they plan to stand down at the next election. The date coincides with the final decision on boundaries for the next election, so that Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) can start to look at the full electoral picture with new constituencies.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... intention

This of course means that these MPs can, & will now try to start rehabilitating their images, by standing up against the whip, because while they know they're fucked in the next GE, they may still hold ambitions for GE+1, when the economy has been repaired by Labour.

It could also of course be curtains for the fat blond turd, when his Standards committee appearance eventual happens; because they're going to hold him to blame, & they don't need to pretend it isn't all his fault anymore !

[fishfoodie]

[SaintK]

Ahh yes, the preferred legal tool of corrupt oligarchs and kleptocrats.!
I thought everything was in his wife's name anyway?

[Paddington Bear]

More Census data came out yesterday, and there's an interactive map for the nerdier amongst us to play with https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/maps

A few interesting things for me:
1) The scale of demographic change over the last 20 years is quite something and has implications for building a cohesive society over the next 20-30
2) We live in a very segregated society and seemingly have all agreed to pretend we don't and never mention it
3) The 'why has London become so firmly Labour' question that arises quite regularly now has a blindingly obvious demographic answer rather than anything about Tory lack of liberalism. Tory leaning largely white voters have exited London in vast numbers.

[Slick]

More Census data came out yesterday, and there's an interactive map for the nerdier amongst us to play with https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/maps

A few interesting things for me:
1) The scale of demographic change over the last 20 years is quite something and has implications for building a cohesive society over the next 20-30
2) We live in a very segregated society and seemingly have all agreed to pretend we don't and never mention it
3) The 'why has London become so firmly Labour' question that arises quite regularly now has a blindingly obvious demographic answer rather than anything about Tory lack of liberalism. Tory leaning largely white voters have exited London in vast numbers.

Well, this is a great surprise

[Raggs]

More Census data came out yesterday, and there's an interactive map for the nerdier amongst us to play with https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/maps

A few interesting things for me:
1) The scale of demographic change over the last 20 years is quite something and has implications for building a cohesive society over the next 20-30
2) We live in a very segregated society and seemingly have all agreed to pretend we don't and never mention it
3) The 'why has London become so firmly Labour' question that arises quite regularly now has a blindingly obvious demographic answer rather than anything about Tory lack of liberalism. Tory leaning largely white voters have exited London in vast numbers.

The scales change, it's worth watching that. The National identity one is a great example. One or More UK Identity, at the lowest end, already starts at 58%

[Calculon]

Can one of you natives explain that to me? I had a quick look on my mobile, and it seems nowhere in Wales do more than 25% of the polulation identify as British. I find this astounding, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of these people are British nationals.

[Paddington Bear]

Can one of you natives explain that to me? I had a quick look on my mobile, and it seems nowhere in Wales do more than 25% of the polulation identify as British. I find this astounding, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of these people are British nationals.

You got the option of identifying as British, English/Welsh/Scottish etc or a combination. Parts of Wales have over 20% of people identifying as English!

[Raggs]

Select the one or more UK identity option and you'll see it's the vast majority.