Another mass shooting in the US

[Biffer]

In Tulsa, police responded to reports of a man wandering around wearing body armour and carrying an AR15. On stopping the man they determined he was behaving legally due to Oklahoma’s open carry laws. They then arrested him for carrying brass knuckles, which are illegal.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/crime ... a6b13.html

[ia801310]

In Tulsa, police responded to reports of a man wandering around wearing body armour and carrying an AR15. On stopping the man they determined he was behaving legally due to Oklahoma’s open carry laws. They then arrested him for carrying brass knuckles, which are illegal.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/crime ... a6b13.html

What a crazy country

[Hugo]

In Tulsa, police responded to reports of a man wandering around wearing body armour and carrying an AR15. On stopping the man they determined he was behaving legally due to Oklahoma’s open carry laws. They then arrested him for carrying brass knuckles, which are illegal.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/crime ... a6b13.html

What a crazy country

Indeed. I saw a clip of Matthew McConaughey talking at the WH a few weeks ago and he said "we have to raise the age limit of buying an AR-15 to 21!".

I shouldn't have laughed but I must admit the sheer perversity of it tickled me - they don't trust you to drink until you are 21 but you can own one of these weapons of mass destruction when you are still a teenager.

[Uncle fester]

The right are okay with the feds trampling over state rights as long as it's pushing their agenda it seems.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61915237

[Uncle fester]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... dApp_Other

[Kawazaki]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... dApp_Other

There's a certain irony when it happens on Independence Day isn't there.

[TB63]

The GOP will be all over this, quoting Chicago has strict gun laws yet this.. Just forget that neighbouring states, you can buy a gun with impunity...

[Uncle fester]

Shooter still at large.

[TB63]

White male arrested.
Not shot multiple times...

[Guy Smiley]

[Kiwias]

White male arrested.
Not shot multiple times...

The police are clearly pro-life

[Kiwias]

Someone in Denmark decided he wanted to be in on this.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/copenhagen ... ping-mall/

[Biffer]

And another one in Philadelphia. Guy waited until the fireworks were going off to cover the sound of him shooting

[Hugo]

No matter how frequently these happen the sheer scope and extent of the problem is mind boggling to me. More than one mass shooting a day.

[Uncle fester]

Look at some of the batshit advertising they are using to sell guns.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... er/670621/

[weegie01]

No matter how frequently these happen the sheer scope and extent of the problem is mind boggling to me. More than one mass shooting a day.

Friends of ours from near Boston were over recently. This is only one couple, but they said their own behaviour and that of others is now being affected and they are becoming more cautious about where, and to what type of event, they go.

The husband is a keen hunter so they are comfortable with guns.

[fishfoodie]

No matter how frequently these happen the sheer scope and extent of the problem is mind boggling to me. More than one mass shooting a day.

Friends of ours from near Boston were over recently. This is only one couple, but they said their own behaviour and that of others is now being affected and they are becoming more cautious about where, and to what type of event, they go.

The husband is a keen hunter so they are comfortable with guns.

Clearly they have a problem, & legislators need to act !!

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they need to redefine a mass shooting as one where >25 are killed or injured !

[sockwithaticket]

Not quite a mass shooting, but 3 Dutch soldiers over in the US for training were shot out on civvy street and one of them has died.

5 minutes after reading about that I saw that a member of a band I follow's tour crew became a bystander victim of a drive by. He's going to recover, but, being a crew member for a mid-sized metalcore band, he doesn't have health insurance and thus is relying on Go Fund me and the band's reach to sort out substantial medical expenses.

Every now and then you just get served with a reminder that Ameria is so fucked.

[Uncle fester]

Another one.
Five people killed and 18 injured after shooting at Colorado nightclub

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/us/202 ... test-news/

[mat the expat]

Another one.
Five people killed and 18 injured after shooting at Colorado nightclub

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/us/202 ... test-news/

Supposedly got out of a Bomb threat charge due to connections

[TB63]

10 people killed in a Walmart now...

[Uncle fester]

10 people killed in a Walmart now...

Store manager the perp and killed himself also.

[Slick]

10 people killed in a Walmart now...

Walmart says it’s terrible, whilst selling guns over the counter in their supermarkets

[TB63]

Methed up father more concerned that his son might have been gay, not a mass murderer...

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Well he seems an appalling individual, but too for the media to interview someone so involved with such a brutal incident so close to said incident and whilst seemingly heavily under the influence and then publish it is problematic. Perhaps there'd never be a moment when he'd appear sober, but this seems more about shock than consideration

[Tichtheid]

This isn't a considered comment, but the first thing that sprung to mind is, "Tom Waits is doing parody sketches now?".

[charltom]

The right are okay with the feds trampling over state rights as long as it's pushing their agenda it seems.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61915237

That's the thing about the Constitution. States aren't meant to go against it.

Now, you may well disagree with the SC's interpretation of the Constitution - many do - but upholding the Constitution is not a case of trampling over states rights.

[Tichtheid]

I saw a graphic the other day that showed the prevalence of mass shootings compared to restrictive gun laws on a state-by-state basis, unsurprisingly those with the least restrictive laws had a far greater number of mass murders. I can't find that chart right now, but I did find this from a paper published in the BMJ

Abstract
Objective To determine whether restrictiveness-permissiveness of state gun laws or gun ownership are associated with mass shootings in the US.

Design Cross sectional time series.

Setting and population US gun owners from 1998-2015.

Exposure An annual rating between 0 (completely restrictive) and 100 (completely permissive) for the gun laws of all 50 states taken from a reference guide for gun owners traveling between states from 1998 to 2015. Gun ownership was estimated annually as the percentage of suicides committed with firearms in each state.

Main outcome measure Mass shootings were defined as independent events in which four or more people were killed by a firearm. Data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Uniform Crime Reporting System from 1998-2015 were used to calculate annual rates of mass shootings in each state. Mass shooting events and rates were further separated into those where the victims were immediate family members or partners (domestic) and those where the victims had other relationships with the perpetrator (non-domestic).

Results Fully adjusted regression analyses showed that a 10 unit increase in state gun law permissiveness was associated with a significant 11.5% (95% confidence interval 4.2% to 19.3%, P=0.002) higher rate of mass shootings. A 10% increase in state gun ownership was associated with a significant 35.1% (12.7% to 62.7%, P=0.001) higher rate of mass shootings. Partially adjusted regression analyses produced similar results, as did analyses restricted to domestic and non-domestic mass shootings.

Conclusions States with more permissive gun laws and greater gun ownership had higher rates of mass shootings, and a growing divide appears to be emerging between restrictive and permissive states.

The Supreme Court doesn't operate in a vacuum, the nominations to it are highly politicised and they are not some "neutral interpreters" of the Constitution.

[Lobby]

Well he seems an appalling individual, but too for the media to interview someone so involved with such a brutal incident so close to said incident and whilst seemingly heavily under the influence and then publish it is problematic. Perhaps there'd never be a moment when he'd appear sober, but this seems more about shock than consideration

I’m not sure he is really that ‘close’ to the incident. He left the mother soon after his son was born and has been estranged from him for years. The ‘Conservative Mormon Republican’ also happens to be a meth-addict and former porn star with multiple convictions for a variety of offences.

This story is nothing to do with the shooting; it’s simply that some ‘journalist’ realised there was a family connection between the shooter and a minor celebrity famous for being a complete fuck-up and realised they could probably get some juicy quotes out of talking to the meth addict.

[Calculon]

Not a mass shooting, just a six year old boy shooting his female teacher. Said to be deliberate and happened after an altercation between the two. Teacher is in a critical condition. Surely it's time to start arming the teachers and allow them to fight back.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64194407

[Kiwias]

Not a mass shooting, just a six year old boy shooting his female teacher. Said to be deliberate and happened after an altercation between the two. Teacher is in a critical condition. Surely it's time to start arming the teachers and allow them to fight back.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64194407

I posted this on the "Things that do not deserve a thread of their own" and made the same comment.

[TB63]

Sorry. But what an inane and stupid statement.

Can you imagine the scenario and how it would be perceived if an adult teacher and a 6yr old had a Mexican standoff with loaded weapons and the teacher shoots first.

The gun culture in the US and the fucking stupid parents, who somehow let a 6 yr old have access to a loaded handgun, and managed to take it into school. The mindset of that household must be certifiable..

[Kiwias]

Sorry. But what an inane and stupid statement.

Can you imagine the scenario and how it would be perceived if an adult teacher and a 6yr old had a Mexican standoff with loaded weapons and the teacher shoots first.

The gun culture in the US and the fucking stupid parents, who somehow let a 6 yr old have access to a loaded handgun, and managed to take it into school. The mindset of that household must be certifiable..

If you are referring to my comment, rest assured that it was said with tongue firmly in cheek. I did not think it needed to be made more obvious.

[TB63]

I hoped so mate..

[Kiwias]

I hoped so mate..

[Grandpa]

Sorry. But what an inane and stupid statement.

Can you imagine the scenario and how it would be perceived if an adult teacher and a 6yr old had a Mexican standoff with loaded weapons and the teacher shoots first.

The gun culture in the US and the fucking stupid parents, who somehow let a 6 yr old have access to a loaded handgun, and managed to take it into school. The mindset of that household must be certifiable..

If you are referring to my comment, rest assured that it was said with tongue firmly in cheek. I did not think it needed to be made more obvious.

Was Calculon's tongue firmly in his cheek too?

[Calculon]

Not a mass shooting, just a six year old boy shooting his female teacher. Said to be deliberate and happened after an altercation between the two. Teacher is in a critical condition. Surely it's time to start arming the teachers and allow them to fight back.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64194407

I posted this on the "Things that do not deserve a thread of their own" and made the same comment.

more schools are arming their teachers but still not enough imo.

https://fox8.com/news/arming-ohio-teach ... hool-year/

[Calculon]

Sorry. But what an inane and stupid statement.

Can you imagine the scenario and how it would be perceived if an adult teacher and a 6yr old had a Mexican standoff with loaded weapons and the teacher shoots first.

The gun culture in the US and the fucking stupid parents, who somehow let a 6 yr old have access to a loaded handgun, and managed to take it into school. The mindset of that household must be certifiable..

It's for SELF DEFENSE! You have to give your teachers a fighting chance. In this case the teacher was already at a disadvantage being a woman (as most primary school teachers are) and a larger target than the six year old.

[Grandpa]

Sorry. But what an inane and stupid statement.

Can you imagine the scenario and how it would be perceived if an adult teacher and a 6yr old had a Mexican standoff with loaded weapons and the teacher shoots first.

The gun culture in the US and the fucking stupid parents, who somehow let a 6 yr old have access to a loaded handgun, and managed to take it into school. The mindset of that household must be certifiable..

It's for SELF DEFENSE! You have to give your teachers a fighting chance. In this case the teacher was already at a disadvantage being a woman (as most primary school teachers are) and a larger target than the six year old.

Even if a 6 yr old pulled a gun on her... can you imagine the uproar if she shot and killed him before he fired?

Teacher blows head off 6 yr old with toy gun...

[Blackmac]

Sorry. But what an inane and stupid statement.

Can you imagine the scenario and how it would be perceived if an adult teacher and a 6yr old had a Mexican standoff with loaded weapons and the teacher shoots first.

The gun culture in the US and the fucking stupid parents, who somehow let a 6 yr old have access to a loaded handgun, and managed to take it into school. The mindset of that household must be certifiable..

It's for SELF DEFENSE! You have to give your teachers a fighting chance. In this case the teacher was already at a disadvantage being a woman (as most primary school teachers are) and a larger target than the six year old.

Children are also particularly dextrous so in a quick draw Mcgraw scenario the 6 year old would be blowing the smoke from the barrel before the teacher had started looking in their handbag. For this reason open carry is vital for pre and primary school teachers

Don't forget that the 6 year old also has the advantage of being a smaller target.