Stop voting for fucking Tories

[JM2K6]

How much dirt to these guys collect on senior Politicians, & others; & is that why they seem to be immune ?

This lad was definitely weird. I would have thought a lads bosses being warned he was a risk to.women would lead to his sacking but decades of it

You’d think they would have noticed that these warnings were mounting up after say the fifth or sixth different time he was accused of sexual harassment, but no, they didn’t even see that there was a pattern developing after the ninth warning.

I think it's as simple as they don't really give a shit about anyone who isn't a copper

[fishfoodie]

This lad was definitely weird. I would have thought a lads bosses being warned he was a risk to.women would lead to his sacking but decades of it

You’d think they would have noticed that these warnings were mounting up after say the fifth or sixth different time he was accused of sexual harassment, but no, they didn’t even see that there was a pattern developing after the ninth warning.

I think it's as simple as they don't really give a shit about anyone who isn't a copper

That's it entirely !!!!

It doesn't matter where you are; that; Thin Blue Fucking Line, means you can, Rape, Steal, or whatever, & not have to face the consequences that anyone else would.

The Met should be completely dispanded, & then a new, "London Police Service", created, & do a Fire, & Re-Hire on every single position.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Why would a new Met be inherently better than the Met as is?

Which is to say why must the existing one be burned to the ground making 10s of thousands unemployed and reapplying for their job, many who've done nothing wrong, and you've then the vast admin task of wrapping up one entity and folding it into a new one, and that would be even bigger than the met because of the way if operates across the nation in conjunction with other forces and services .

I get wanting changes, I'm not sure spending vast sums to start from scratch is the way to go. Or at least would anyone in favour of that kindly please raise the monies themselves, and work out who'll sign off on any risk entailed in such a transfer

[I like neeps]

Why would a new Met be inherently better than the Met as is?

Which is to say why must the existing one be burned to the ground making 10s of thousands unemployed and reapplying for their job, many who've done nothing wrong, and you've then the vast admin task of wrapping up one entity and folding it into a new one, and that would be even bigger than the met because of the way if operates across the nation in conjunction with other forces and services .

I get wanting changes, I'm not sure spending vast sums to start from scratch is the way to go. Or at least would anyone in favour of that kindly please raise the monies themselves, and work out who'll sign off on any risk entailed in such a transfer

I have to agree.. Any police force is going to attract a decent few nasty pieces of work as the job description is basically a free pass to use force against civilians if you're that way inclined. A good number of police officers just are not publically spirited good guys.

But the whole crime and justice system in this country is f*cked. We don't have enough police officers anyway so a good amount of crime is basically legal, we don't have a police force that can stop online fraud/phishing scams which have to be one of the most common crimes going, the police and courts cannot investigate and prosecute sexual offences such as rape either. And then if you get past all that and someone is imprisoned they go to a massively underfunded prison system, awash with drugs often brought in by officers looking for extra cash and come out either newly or still addicted to drugs and reoffend as they have attended crime university with little if any actual training so that they can gain meaningful employment.

It's totally broken, the only fixes include accepting we've lost the war on drugs and looking to cure addiction, social programs that intervene in offending earlier in the cycle through employment as we know that reduces reoffending. And immediately that's a good number of crime reduction. But the sensibles run in fear of the ghouls at the sun and mail who won't like that and so this dreadful state of affairs will continue.

As an aside if anyone is interested in employment for ex offenders and wants to help I recommend buying coffee from Redemption Roasters and beer from tap social from time to time. Both do great work.

[Biffer]

And let's not forget that even if it goes to court with a good case, it'll probably be three or four years before it gets to court.

[Blackmac]

Sadly the Met has been a cesspit for decades and getting worse by the year. Their recruitment and vetting has always been questionable. It was a regular occurrence for applicants roundly rejected from Scottish police forces to then walk into the Met and transfer back up after a few years with little or no additional vetting as that wasn't allowed as they were already serving. Often you would come across these pricks and think "how the fuck did this clown get in".
In my whole service in the Scottish police I can only think of a handful of cases where an officer was charged or convicted of a sexual or domestic assault, and I cannot think of one of those who didn't get sacked. When you hear that there are currently 800 Met officers currently under investigation for sexual and domestic offences, and over 1000 serving officers with convictions, it fucking defies belief and makes my blood boil.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Sadly the Met has been a cesspit for decades and getting worse by the year. Their recruitment and vetting has always been questionable. It was a regular occurrence for applicants roundly rejected from Scottish police forces to then walk into the Met and transfer back up after a few years with little or no additional vetting as that wasn't allowed as they were already serving. Often you would come across these pricks and think "how the fuck did this clown get in".
In my whole service in the Scottish police I can only think of a handful of cases where an officer was charged or convicted of a sexual or domestic assault, and I cannot think of one of those who didn't get sacked. When you hear that there are currently 800 Met officers currently under investigation for sexual and domestic offences, and over 1000 serving officers with convictions, it fucking defies belief and makes my blood boil.

Corporate culture always comes from the top. It is difficult to change but can be done.

The problem is the leadership has to want to change. We've recently had Cressida Dick in charge for several years who, like her predecessors, response to problems in the Met has alway been 'there are no problems in the Met'

[tabascoboy]

[dpedin]

Braverman usually plays the man/woman instead of the ball because she is a feckin useless Cnut! It's all she has and all she will give, the lack of self awareness and false superiority is fairly typical of this current bunch of clusterfuck of a Gov.

[SaintK]

Braverman usually plays the man/woman instead of the ball because she is a feckin useless Cnut! It's all she has and all she will give, the lack of self awareness and false superiority is fairly typical of this current bunch of clusterfuck of a Gov.

Useless does not even begin to describe Braverman.

But, on an occasion like this, a minister does have to persuade MPs that they have grasped the seriousness of the problem, and that they have the authority and grip to do something about it. And that’s where Braverman fell down today. She announced that the Wayne Couzens review will be expanded to cover the Carrick case, and she announced a review into police dismissals.

Yet neither of these announcements seemed to impress her own MPs – let alone the opposition – and what was really telling was the number of Tory backbenchers who said they agreed with Harriet Harman, the former Labour deputy leader, who called for the sacking of officers and managers who had allowed Carrick to get away with what he did.

[Sandstorm]

I don't think there are too any people who is going to defend a boss who was basically telling the lad to take the raping down a notch

I shouldn't laugh....

[fishfoodie]

I don't think there are too any people who is going to defend a boss who was basically telling the lad to take the raping down a notch

Sorry; are we still talking about the Met ? .... or we back talking about the Tory Party ?

[GogLais]

Ah well, maybe we can build clockwork powered cars.

[Line6 HXFX]

Loving this lady.

[SaintK]

Can'y be arsed to negotiate so let's try emotional blackmail instead

[Sandstorm]

Can'y be arsed to negotiate so let's try emotional blackmail instead

Stupid Tories should have raised taxes last year. We would all have grudgingly agreed that it was necessary and then they could get to an increased pay level that the NHS staff would accept.

[SaintK]

This appears to have slipped past most papers though Private Eye have been on to it for quite a while

[tabascoboy]

Well in this Government's world view all you have to do is allow employers to take on agency workers to do the jobs of those striking or sacked for striking. What could possibly go wrong?

[Hal Jordan]

Ah well, maybe we can build clockwork powered cars.

Is this Britishvolt?

The Government wants the uk to become world leading in battery production yet do nothing to help make it happen. There seems to be no strategic thinking and direction to guide and attract investors and investment instead it just seems to be a free for all for dubious investors to churn money for some profit not actually deliver what is supposedly wanted. Very sadly they may well find the boat has already sailed.

[Biffer]

Ah well, maybe we can build clockwork powered cars.

Is this Britishvolt?

The Government wants the uk to become world leading in battery production yet do nothing to help make it happen. There seems to be no strategic thinking and direction to guide and attract investors and investment instead it just seems to be a free for all for dubious investors to churn money for some profit not actually deliver what is supposedly wanted. Very sadly they may well find the boat has already sailed.

The UK does this for every tech development. Shout about it, say we want to lead in it, do nothing to help.

I know of quantum computing company with a neat bit of tech, that spun out of a university. They spent four years trying to get investment funding but couldn’t get it in the UK, so they fucked off to the US and within a year had $600million backing.

[GogLais]

Ah well, maybe we can build clockwork powered cars.

Is this Britishvolt?

The Government wants the uk to become world leading in battery production yet do nothing to help make it happen. There seems to be no strategic thinking and direction to guide and attract investors and investment instead it just seems to be a free for all for dubious investors to churn money for some profit not actually deliver what is supposedly wanted. Very sadly they may well find the boat has already sailed.

Sorry, yes. I’m sure what you say is true. I saw a map showing a couple of dozen planned and existing battery plants in the EU and none in the UK. I wonder why.

[dpedin]

No one else worried about the Retained EU Law Bill going through Parliament at the moment. This would be the real target for the Brexit twats - the potential deregulation of lots of areas from employment to environmental laws. Retention or amendment of any laws to be decided purely by our current gov. This is what was wetting JRM and his Brexit Ultra twats pants, this is what Brexit was all about. Be warned the Sovereign Individual concept is about to arrive this year unless the more sensible tories, are there any left, decide to pull the reins in! It is going to be a feckin disaster and we are strolling right into it!

[petej]

Ah well, maybe we can build clockwork powered cars.

Is this Britishvolt?

The Government wants the uk to become world leading in battery production yet do nothing to help make it happen. There seems to be no strategic thinking and direction to guide and attract investors and investment instead it just seems to be a free for all for dubious investors to churn money for some profit not actually deliver what is supposedly wanted. Very sadly they may well find the boat has already sailed.

The UK does this for every tech development. Shout about it, say we want to lead in it, do nothing to help.

I know of quantum computing company with a neat bit of tech, that spun out of a university. They spent four years trying to get investment funding but couldn’t get it in the UK, so they fucked off to the US and within a year had $600million backing.

Yep. The cost cutting management culture from finance management and management consultants is just relentless. We have an overrated and hugely overpaid management class in this country that guts ideas. If they were as good as they think they are we wouldn't have such a small manufacturing base. The worst thing that happened on my development engineering work was management jumping on the bandwagon when stuff was going well and then relentless interference, zero help and dumb short cuts.

[Biffer]

Is this Britishvolt?

The Government wants the uk to become world leading in battery production yet do nothing to help make it happen. There seems to be no strategic thinking and direction to guide and attract investors and investment instead it just seems to be a free for all for dubious investors to churn money for some profit not actually deliver what is supposedly wanted. Very sadly they may well find the boat has already sailed.

The UK does this for every tech development. Shout about it, say we want to lead in it, do nothing to help.

I know of quantum computing company with a neat bit of tech, that spun out of a university. They spent four years trying to get investment funding but couldn’t get it in the UK, so they fucked off to the US and within a year had $600million backing.

Yep. The cost cutting management culture from finance management and management consultants is just relentless. We have an overrated and hugely overpaid management class in this country that guts ideas. If they were as good as they think they are we wouldn't have such a small manufacturing base. The worst thing that happened on my development engineering work was management jumping on the bandwagon when stuff was going well and then relentless interference, zero help and dumb short cuts.

It’s that and more than that. Venture capital in the UK is very risk averse compared to the USA. Government funding is also a bugger - we spend the lowest percentage of gdp on research and development amongst similar economies.

[I like neeps]

The UK does this for every tech development. Shout about it, say we want to lead in it, do nothing to help.

I know of quantum computing company with a neat bit of tech, that spun out of a university. They spent four years trying to get investment funding but couldn’t get it in the UK, so they fucked off to the US and within a year had $600million backing.

Yep. The cost cutting management culture from finance management and management consultants is just relentless. We have an overrated and hugely overpaid management class in this country that guts ideas. If they were as good as they think they are we wouldn't have such a small manufacturing base. The worst thing that happened on my development engineering work was management jumping on the bandwagon when stuff was going well and then relentless interference, zero help and dumb short cuts.

It’s that and more than that. Venture capital in the UK is very risk averse compared to the USA. Government funding is also a bugger - we spend the lowest percentage of gdp on research and development amongst similar economies.

Venture capital in the US is a wild west that creates unprofitable monopolies at best and just fraud (FTX, Theranos, Nikola etc) at worst though in the free money era. Look at IPOs through the years, VC has created huge behemoths that are services that aren't needed and aren't profitable.

R&D funding is a real issue. UK has world class universities and don't support the spin outs enough.

[Slick]

Ah well, maybe we can build clockwork powered cars.

Is this Britishvolt?

The Government wants the uk to become world leading in battery production yet do nothing to help make it happen. There seems to be no strategic thinking and direction to guide and attract investors and investment instead it just seems to be a free for all for dubious investors to churn money for some profit not actually deliver what is supposedly wanted. Very sadly they may well find the boat has already sailed.

The UK does this for every tech development. Shout about it, say we want to lead in it, do nothing to help.

I know of quantum computing company with a neat bit of tech, that spun out of a university. They spent four years trying to get investment funding but couldn’t get it in the UK, so they fucked off to the US and within a year had $600million backing.

This is not an SG bashing post but I was speaking to someone pretty senior in SDI yesterday who was telling me about the hydrogen plans. It seems the plan is focussed on being a hydrogen exporter and all the funding is going that way but there is virtually no support for the research or supply chain to actually get us there. He pretty much admitted it was completely bonkers and they have an end goal but no idea how to get there

[shaggy]

Is this Britishvolt?

The Government wants the uk to become world leading in battery production yet do nothing to help make it happen. There seems to be no strategic thinking and direction to guide and attract investors and investment instead it just seems to be a free for all for dubious investors to churn money for some profit not actually deliver what is supposedly wanted. Very sadly they may well find the boat has already sailed.

The UK does this for every tech development. Shout about it, say we want to lead in it, do nothing to help.

I know of quantum computing company with a neat bit of tech, that spun out of a university. They spent four years trying to get investment funding but couldn’t get it in the UK, so they fucked off to the US and within a year had $600million backing.

This is not an SG bashing post but I was speaking to someone pretty senior in SDI yesterday who was telling me about the hydrogen plans. It seems the plan is focussed on being a hydrogen exporter and all the funding is going that way but there is virtually no support for the research or supply chain to actually get us there. He pretty much admitted it was completely bonkers and they have an end goal but no idea how to get there

They are relying solely on oil majors. Costs nothing but you outsource the risk and profit.

[lemonhead]

No one else worried about the Retained EU Law Bill going through Parliament at the moment. This would be the real target for the Brexit twats - the potential deregulation of lots of areas from employment to environmental laws. Retention or amendment of any laws to be decided purely by our current gov. This is what was wetting JRM and his Brexit Ultra twats pants, this is what Brexit was all about. Be warned the Sovereign Individual concept is about to arrive this year unless the more sensible tories, are there any left, decide to pull the reins in! It is going to be a feckin disaster and we are strolling right into it!

Had thought this would quietly be extended when Truss and Mogg staggered out the exit door but the piece of shit is still here.

No one actually knows how much legislation is affected by everything lapsing all at once.

[dpedin]

No one else worried about the Retained EU Law Bill going through Parliament at the moment. This would be the real target for the Brexit twats - the potential deregulation of lots of areas from employment to environmental laws. Retention or amendment of any laws to be decided purely by our current gov. This is what was wetting JRM and his Brexit Ultra twats pants, this is what Brexit was all about. Be warned the Sovereign Individual concept is about to arrive this year unless the more sensible tories, are there any left, decide to pull the reins in! It is going to be a feckin disaster and we are strolling right into it!

Had thought this would quietly be extended when Truss and Mogg staggered out the exit door but the piece of shit is still here.

No one actually knows how much legislation is affected by everything lapsing all at once.

Exactly - current estimates are 1,000s of pieces of legislation all with associated case law, precedent, etc over many years. Much of the so called EU laws were ones that the UK asked for and supported - I think the UK voted approval with c95%+ of all EU votes? The civil service can't cope with going through all this within the timescales involved and the current Parliament hasn't the capacity to consider every law that is being repealed and needing replaced or amended. The current bill would allow the Gov and its minister to make decision via statuary instruments as to the new laws - do we really want Coffey deciding new environmental laws, Braverman deciding new immigration legislation, etc.

This is exactly what the Brexit vote was all about the deregulation of the UK and the creation of new laws by the Brexit Ultras and right wing zealots funded by big business via Tufton Street, etc. This is the real battleground not the diversionary small boats in the channel/protecting our borders racist crap - that was just a means to an end, use the inherent racist little Englander mentality to drive the Brexit wedge through. It looks like JRM his Sovereign Individual supporters and the Britannia Unchained mob will get their way after all and we are sleep walking into it as a country.

[I like neeps]

Don't think this is true, the legislation will be tied up in the lord's for a year and then next year is electioneering and not much will get done.

[Slick]

The UK does this for every tech development. Shout about it, say we want to lead in it, do nothing to help.

I know of quantum computing company with a neat bit of tech, that spun out of a university. They spent four years trying to get investment funding but couldn’t get it in the UK, so they fucked off to the US and within a year had $600million backing.

This is not an SG bashing post but I was speaking to someone pretty senior in SDI yesterday who was telling me about the hydrogen plans. It seems the plan is focussed on being a hydrogen exporter and all the funding is going that way but there is virtually no support for the research or supply chain to actually get us there. He pretty much admitted it was completely bonkers and they have an end goal but no idea how to get there

They are relying solely on oil majors. Costs nothing but you outsource the risk and profit.

Could you expand on this a bit? Genuinely interested

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Don't think this is true, the legislation will be tied up in the lord's for a year and then next year is electioneering and not much will get done.

It is though a next step for the lunatic fringe of the Tory Party, which one can pretty much now just call the Tory Party. A bonfire of legislation with no commitment to what comes next, some BS spouted about we'll have better standards, but we won't. And they are in this for the long haul, it took them decades to get Brexit, they'll not give up on this just because they look likely to lose one election

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Ah well, maybe we can build clockwork powered cars.

Is this Britishvolt?

The Government wants the uk to become world leading in battery production yet do nothing to help make it happen. There seems to be no strategic thinking and direction to guide and attract investors and investment instead it just seems to be a free for all for dubious investors to churn money for some profit not actually deliver what is supposedly wanted. Very sadly they may well find the boat has already sailed.

The UK does this for every tech development. Shout about it, say we want to lead in it, do nothing to help.

I know of quantum computing company with a neat bit of tech, that spun out of a university. They spent four years trying to get investment funding but couldn’t get it in the UK, so they fucked off to the US and within a year had $600million backing.

A problem made much, much worse by Brexit.

There is for all the US will bluster the investment could go anywhere there are some real domestic issues for them that tend to see the real money stay stateside, but they were much keener when it was but a hop, skip and a jump from the UK to Europe with the free movement they adored when it came to shuttling between academic institutions and shuttling researchers between them too.

Now they find it easier just to pay for the talent they want to fly in/out of the USA or just move to the USA

[Tichtheid]

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[petej]

Is this Britishvolt?

The Government wants the uk to become world leading in battery production yet do nothing to help make it happen. There seems to be no strategic thinking and direction to guide and attract investors and investment instead it just seems to be a free for all for dubious investors to churn money for some profit not actually deliver what is supposedly wanted. Very sadly they may well find the boat has already sailed.

The UK does this for every tech development. Shout about it, say we want to lead in it, do nothing to help.

I know of quantum computing company with a neat bit of tech, that spun out of a university. They spent four years trying to get investment funding but couldn’t get it in the UK, so they fucked off to the US and within a year had $600million backing.

This is not an SG bashing post but I was speaking to someone pretty senior in SDI yesterday who was telling me about the hydrogen plans. It seems the plan is focussed on being a hydrogen exporter and all the funding is going that way but there is virtually no support for the research or supply chain to actually get us there. He pretty much admitted it was completely bonkers and they have an end goal but no idea how to get there

Not an SG bashing post. You need to apply this across the whole of UK manufacturing. It is all hollowed out.

[shaggy]

This is not an SG bashing post but I was speaking to someone pretty senior in SDI yesterday who was telling me about the hydrogen plans. It seems the plan is focussed on being a hydrogen exporter and all the funding is going that way but there is virtually no support for the research or supply chain to actually get us there. He pretty much admitted it was completely bonkers and they have an end goal but no idea how to get there

They are relying solely on oil majors. Costs nothing but you outsource the risk and profit.

Could you expand on this a bit? Genuinely interested

Aberdeen Hydrogen Hub JV with bp. bp have invested heavily on the role of hydrogen and are busy engaging in many countries. This allows the host country to sit back and rely on the skills and expertise of the oil major and with almost no financial risk until pre-FEED completed.

[petej]

What I find totally gutting about this transition away from fossil fuels is how the UK isn't going to be able to benefit due to brexit and an awful government. It is absolutely gutting. I can't believe people aren't angrier and the country is so placid as the government reduces living standards and life expectancy.

[Torquemada 1420]

So now Rishi thinks seatbelt laws don't apply to him. Shades of Jack Straw caught speeding: "Do you know who I am?".

[Blackmac]

So now Rishi thinks seatbelt laws don't apply to him. Shades of Jack Straw caught speeding: "Do you know who I am?".

In the grand scheme of things I find this petty bullshit quite tiresome regardless of the politician. Likely a momentary lapse. I'm sure he'll accept his £60 conditional offer to stop the hysteria and move on.

[Sandstorm]

So now Rishi thinks seatbelt laws don't apply to him. Shades of Jack Straw caught speeding: "Do you know who I am?".

In the grand scheme of things I find this petty bullshit quite tiresome regardless of the politician. Likely a momentary lapse. I'm sure he'll accept his £60 conditional offer to stop the hysteria and move on.

Good chance for him to prove he's "not Boris", accept the fine & pay it pronto.