Scabnose out!!!!!!

[Uncle fester]

Maybe Jones deserves an apology?

[Ymx]

You’re a bad boy Fester!

[sefton]

Get your own fucking coaches.

[Slick]

Get your own fucking coaches.

Imagine England with Edwards and Farrell!

[dpedin]

Get your own fucking coaches.

Imagine England with Edwards and Farrell!

... or Townsend?

[Uncle fester]

Get your own fucking coaches.

Imagine England with Edwards and Farrell!

You had Farrell and fücked him out.

[JM2K6]

Pleased to see we bring such joy to our Irish friends. I hope they can cherish these moments and think back to us little people when they triumphantly rampage through the world cup...

(Farrell just benefits from Leinster's superlative setup )

[ASMO]

I'm signed up, you would have expected at least some dead cat bounce, all we got was a dead cat.

[Slick]

Get your own fucking coaches.

Imagine England with Edwards and Farrell!

You had Farrell and fücked him out.

No I didn’t

[sockwithaticket]

Lancaster and Farrell were the ones that got away. They are actually very good coaches and Ireland massively benefited

I will be watching how Lancaster fares at rebooting Racing with great interest. If he can turn them around I'd have him back as national coach. but then I was one of those satisfied with his 80% win rate in the 6N even if he never actually delivered a title.

[Prembore]

Was Schmidt still a master strategist this far out from the last world cup, or had he already shot his bolt?

[Tichtheid]

Get your own fucking coaches.

Imagine England with Edwards and Farrell!

Too Northern for many, I would have thought.

[Uncle fester]

I'm signed up, you would have expected at least some dead cat bounce, all we got was a dead cat.

Yep. I was absolutely convinced of a Borthwick bounce. To be fair he might have one yet. That Scottish team are in a rich vein of form

He's had 80 minutes and that's more than enough.

[JM2K6]

Fuck it.

I've always given new coaches a chance and probably supported them for far too long once things have gone downhill. Trying something new and seeing how it feels. It would obviously be awful if this blows up in my face.

He is woefully underqualified for the role, is completely out of his depth as a tactician, has no experience of top level coaching that isn't completely tainted by Eddie Jones (bar a short stint with the Lions), and he was a legendarily shit England captain who was the safe establishment man.

England rugby had a choice between him or Robertson and didn't even consider any to alternative to Steve "Steve" Borthwick, a robot in human skin who can put epileptics to sleep just by talking at them and who considers booting the ball in the air to be the high point of rugby strategy. Somehow he's taken a talented group, got them showing signs of life, then led them to the biggest humiliation we've ever suffered at home outside of the world cup that should not be mentioned. And he's going to bring in Richard fucking Wigglesworth to be another version of him that's even less appropriate a choice.

I am completely confident that this thread will be proven prescient in the next 2-48 months and I will tell you all I told you so.

BORTHWICK OUT!

[Torquemada 1420]

Where did Razor say he'd take the Eng job?

[Ymx]

[JM2K6]

Where did Razor say he'd take the Eng job?

He was available, clearly on the market for a big job, and was quoted as saying it would be a very exciting opportunity, but the RFU only ever wanted Boring Borthwick.

[Torquemada 1420]

Where did Razor say he'd take the Eng job?

He was available, clearly on the market for a big job, and was quoted as saying it would be a very exciting opportunity, but the RFU only ever wanted Boring Borthwick.

I suspect Razor was playing his hand to ramp pressure on the NZRFU. But we will never know.

BTW, the Independent has pretty much echoed your thread title already!

[Ymx]

Razors contract would have to have been bought off the NZRU. So there was very little chance of that happening, tbh.

[JM2K6]

Razors contract would have to have been bought off the NZRU. So there was very little chance of that happening, tbh.

Why so?

[Guy Smiley]

Razors contract would have to have been bought off the NZRU. So there was very little chance of that happening, tbh.

Why so?

I have such a low regard for NZR that I reckon they would have welcomed an offer to Razor as a tidy way of getting out of the sticky situation around Foster the Muppet.

The RFU could have had Razor.

[JM2K6]

Razors contract would have to have been bought off the NZRU. So there was very little chance of that happening, tbh.

Why so?

I have such a low regard for NZR that I reckon they would have welcomed an offer to Razor as a tidy way of getting out of the sticky situation around Foster the Muppet.

The RFU could have had Razor.

It's not like they didn't have to pay Leicester a hefty sum either.

[convoluted]

Razor??
That useless fat cunt is himself at a Borthwick-level 1 from 3 for this season.
BOTH of them OUT !!!

[Ymx]

Razors contract would have to have been bought off the NZRU. So there was very little chance of that happening, tbh.

Why so?

I have such a low regard for NZR that I reckon they would have welcomed an offer to Razor as a tidy way of getting out of the sticky situation around Foster the Muppet.

The RFU could have had Razor.

There’s levels of stupidity and then this.

Surely no one would be that stupid as to release their top coach, who they know would be a huge threat in other hands.

They are stupid, but I don’t think the NZRU are that stupid.

[Ymx]

Razor??
That useless fat cunt is himself at a Borthwick-level 1 from 3 for this season.
BOTH of them OUT !!!

Yeah, he’s dreadful

Dreadfully led his team to title after title.

[TheFrog]

He must be just enjoying the moment.

[Biffer]

There was a lot of laughter in the pub I was in in Edinburgh.

I very much enjoyed it, please keep him

[JM2K6]

Why so?

I have such a low regard for NZR that I reckon they would have welcomed an offer to Razor as a tidy way of getting out of the sticky situation around Foster the Muppet.

The RFU could have had Razor.

There’s levels of stupidity and then this.

Surely no one would be that stupid as to release their top coach, who they know would be a huge threat in other hands.

They are stupid, but I don’t think the NZRU are that stupid.

They obviously don't think he's their top coach, and there's a decent chance they'd love for him to get the experience of international coaching.

[Ymx]

He must be just enjoying the moment.

I must admit, I thought England would at least have a dead cat bounce after Jones. But there’s not much bounce down the Mariana Trench, where Borthwick has navigated them to.

[Gumboot]

Hey Ymx, what's with your new avatartan?

[TheFrog]

He must be just enjoying the moment.

I must admit, I thought England would at least have a dead cat bounce after Jones. But there’s not much bounce down the Mariana Trench, where Borthwick has navigated them to.

I am not sure Jones is to blame for everything. England have had a crisis brewing with the clubs going tits up.

[TheFrog]

I think the number 1 issue is England need a better meteorologist. I mean, Borthwick picked Smith to run France ragged. Nobody told him it would pour down with rain?

[Ymx]

Hey Ymx, what's with your new avatartan?

Showing support for the Scots this weekend against the Irish, to open up the championship. So looked up tartan linked to my surname.

[JM2K6]

He must be just enjoying the moment.

I must admit, I thought England would at least have a dead cat bounce after Jones. But there’s not much bounce down the Mariana Trench, where Borthwick has navigated them to.

I am not sure Jones is to blame for everything. England have had a crisis brewing with the clubs going tits up.

That's isn't going to get any better either and there may be more coming. But if anyone thinks Eddie doesn't share some of the blame for the state England finds itself in right now, they're barking. He was in charge for a very long time and we're reaping the whirlwind of two years of absolute bullshit, total chaos, and mistreatment of players and staff.

No one wanted Borthwick to be the replacement but Jones absolutely should've gone well before he did.

[JM2K6]

I think the number 1 issue is England need a better meteorologist. I mean, Borthwick picked Smith to run France ragged. Nobody told him it would pour down with rain?

Far be it for a Quins fan to defend Smith but might i humbly suggest the "number 1 issue" is that the entire team played like absolute wankers from the first minute and looked like they didn't want to be there?

[TheFrog]

I must admit, I thought England would at least have a dead cat bounce after Jones. But there’s not much bounce down the Mariana Trench, where Borthwick has navigated them to.

I am not sure Jones is to blame for everything. England have had a crisis brewing with the clubs going tits up.

That's isn't going to get any better either and there may be more coming. But if anyone thinks Eddie doesn't share some of the blame for the state England finds itself in right now, they're barking. He was in charge for a very long time and we're reaping the whirlwind of two years of absolute bullshit, total chaos, and misstatement of players and staff.

No one wanted Borthwick to be the replacement but Jones absolutely should've gone well before he did.

To me, Jones biggest mistake is that he hanged onto the older players for too long. The 2019 crop was a very good one, but they had peaked. England needed to rebuild. This is what Galthie did (made easier by the fact that France were shite since 2011).

The other mistake was by the RFU not to sign Edwards. That was a gift to France.

[TheFrog]

I think the number 1 issue is England need a better meteorologist. I mean, Borthwick picked Smith to run France ragged. Nobody told him it would pour down with rain?

Far be it for a Quins fan to defend Smith but might i humbly suggest the "number 1 issue" is that the entire team played like absolute wankers from the first minute and looked like they didn't want to be there?

I am not singling our Smith. But I refer to Borthwick's interview where he said he picked Smith to run around France. But then rain happened and England opted for a kicking game.

[JM2K6]

I think the number 1 issue is England need a better meteorologist. I mean, Borthwick picked Smith to run France ragged. Nobody told him it would pour down with rain?

Far be it for a Quins fan to defend Smith but might i humbly suggest the "number 1 issue" is that the entire team played like absolute wankers from the first minute and looked like they didn't want to be there?

I am not singling our Smith. But I refer to Borthwick's interview where he said he picked Smith to run around France. But then rain happened and England opted for a kicking game.

Ah, my bad - I didn't hear him because I immediately become comatose when he starts talking.

[Ymx]

What is the best thing for the RFU to do now??

[Ymx]

Bring back Woodward !!!!