CM11 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:38 pm“Josh throwing in, well what can’t he do? He took up golf three years ago and he’s in single figures on his handicap!






He probably plays left handed too the prick
CM11 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:38 pm“Josh throwing in, well what can’t he do? He took up golf three years ago and he’s in single figures on his handicap!
Won't watch all of that but is the point that Sexton is as bland as BOD?fishfoodie wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:49 pm Really hope Sexton doesn't go the, easy, BOD route of punditry, & instead does what ROG did & heads overseas to learn the coaching craft.
Just watching another interview with Cian, & he said there was no big panic, & they just did a bit more coaching, with him, & everyone already knew the calls, so it was just a case of him knowing where he needed to be, & apparently JVdF loves to do the throws alreadyTichtheid wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:52 pm John Barclay made an interesting point after the game, saying that he would be surprised if Ireland's preparations hadn't included the eventuality that both hooker were off the park and vdFlier would have been practising lineout throwing. Jamie Ritchie did it for Edinburgh (successfully).
These teams will be making all sorts of emergency planning, the bit that pisses me off is that I just know Ireland would have threatened the Scottish throw much more if the shoe was on the other foot.
fishfoodie wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:02 amJust watching another interview with Cian, & he said there was no big panic, & they just did a bit more coaching, with him, & everyone already knew the calls, so it was just a case of him knowing where he needed to be, & apparently JVdF loves to do the throws alreadyTichtheid wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:52 pm John Barclay made an interesting point after the game, saying that he would be surprised if Ireland's preparations hadn't included the eventuality that both hooker were off the park and vdFlier would have been practising lineout throwing. Jamie Ritchie did it for Edinburgh (successfully).
These teams will be making all sorts of emergency planning, the bit that pisses me off is that I just know Ireland would have threatened the Scottish throw much more if the shoe was on the other foot.![]()
Yep !Tichtheid wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:09 amfishfoodie wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:02 amJust watching another interview with Cian, & he said there was no big panic, & they just did a bit more coaching, with him, & everyone already knew the calls, so it was just a case of him knowing where he needed to be, & apparently JVdF loves to do the throws alreadyTichtheid wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:52 pm John Barclay made an interesting point after the game, saying that he would be surprised if Ireland's preparations hadn't included the eventuality that both hooker were off the park and vdFlier would have been practising lineout throwing. Jamie Ritchie did it for Edinburgh (successfully).
These teams will be making all sorts of emergency planning, the bit that pisses me off is that I just know Ireland would have threatened the Scottish throw much more if the shoe was on the other foot.![]()
Richie Gray was a big loss for us today - if you put a six foot ten guy at the very front of the lineout, the throw becomes a very different proposition for a non-specialist.
Ifs and buts, eh?
Was Russell 100% fit to begin with ?Tichtheid wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:24 am With Finn hirpling off and Kinghorn taking a knock, there is talk of Ben Healy making his debut for Scotland next week.
probably thought he was playing for RacingCamroc2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:06 amWas Russell 100% fit to begin with ?Tichtheid wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:24 am With Finn hirpling off and Kinghorn taking a knock, there is talk of Ben Healy making his debut for Scotland next week.
No linebreaks, and lots of shovelling on lateral ball.
Genuine question.
Camroc2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:06 amWas Russell 100% fit to begin with ?Tichtheid wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:24 am With Finn hirpling off and Kinghorn taking a knock, there is talk of Ben Healy making his debut for Scotland next week.
No linebreaks, and lots of shovelling on lateral ball.
Genuine question.
I’mUncle fester wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:33 pmIreland being raging hot favourites might suit this England team just fine.Deveron Boy wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:06 pmI think we might see a bigger crumbling in Dublin next Saturday….JM2K6 wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:58 pm Well done Ireland. Remarkable ability to absorb all that pressure and suffer all those injuries so early on. Far from the best performance as a result, but a very professional one in the end.
Scotland... will they get a better chance at the Triple Crown? A few players got badly exposed today and they crumbled a fair bit in the 2nd half.
Everyone of his throws was squint and the lack of a brake foot in the scrum should have been penalised every time.CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:23 am Just reading that VDF is Leinster's backup thrower for sin bin situations where you might not have to replace your hooker. So he's practised there a fair bit. I reckon if Scotland had loaded the front, he'd have found the middle. It's probably why he went long for one throw too. To show he could throw properly (lost due to timing more than throw). I remember SOB was Leinster's backup years ago too but I have to say VDF's technique was far better.
I thought White was much better at 9 than Murray, who was very slow. Gibson-Park made a big difference for Ireland when he came on. For Scotland, Price was a step down from White. Keenan was miles better than Hogg.Slick wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:03 am Obviously always a bit depressing to lose, but really that was just the reality of where we are - Ireland are very deservedly number 1 and have a team that have been through all the bumps in the road together and come out of it. We are probably 3rd best team in the 6N and that's how it will probably finish - bit annoying to have the 1st and 2nd in the world in the comp for the first time ever.
In the backs I thought our centres outplayed theirs quite convincingly, full backs and 9's much the same, their wingers were leagues above ours. I found 10 quite interesting. Finn was obviously playing with an injury and just couldn't get his game going, but did OK. I've seen Sexton getting some shit for wandering around and not being as involved as he could be, but every single big moment he nailed it. Those touchline conversions were so important in the context of the game - the first put them 2 scores ahead which seemed ominous, and the second put them 3 ahead and game was over. Both will have really got Scotland's heads down under the posts.
Thought we defended pretty well overall. When you see an Irish ruck in or around the try line it's usually time to go for a piss as a score is inevitable, but we repulsed quite a few which was pleasing. Not pressurising the lineout when the 2 hookers went off was just insane, I don't understand how a top team, with a top coaching set up, doesn't do that. Disrupt a couple early on and it would have had a massive impact I think. Then again our lineout was pretty shite all day.
I did think Ireland got away with a lot more, as usual, but that's always been part of the game and they are very good at it.
But all in all, this 6N has been great so far and up until now has been a pretty fair reflection on where we all are.
Revisionist nonsense, I even freeze framed every throw such is the vociferous nature of my interrogation of the matter. Oh and he should have been pinged.EnergiseR2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:09 amThat's not true re his throwing. How very Tory to just make something up and try and get it to stick. Really worrying the depths Welsh rugby is now plumbing thankfully counterbalanced by VdF's ChristianityC69 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:41 amEveryone of his throws was squint and the lack of a brake foot in the scrum should have been penalised every time.CM11 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:23 am Just reading that VDF is Leinster's backup thrower for sin bin situations where you might not have to replace your hooker. So he's practised there a fair bit. I reckon if Scotland had loaded the front, he'd have found the middle. It's probably why he went long for one throw too. To show he could throw properly (lost due to timing more than throw). I remember SOB was Leinster's backup years ago too but I have to say VDF's technique was far better.
But hey thems the breaks.
Ireland are the new NZ where officiating is concerned.
A green cloak of invisibility.
However not loading the front with their tallest forwards was retarded by Scotland it made VDFs job easy.
You rarely get pinged for a squint front ball take.
Your empathy for those regimes is clear and unfortunately might I add.
Fair enough. I was at the game and haven't seen any of it on TVLobby wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:38 amI thought White was much better at 9 than Murray, who was very slow. Gibson-Park made a big difference for Ireland when he came on. For Scotland, Price was a step down from White. Keenan was miles better than Hogg.Slick wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:03 am Obviously always a bit depressing to lose, but really that was just the reality of where we are - Ireland are very deservedly number 1 and have a team that have been through all the bumps in the road together and come out of it. We are probably 3rd best team in the 6N and that's how it will probably finish - bit annoying to have the 1st and 2nd in the world in the comp for the first time ever.
In the backs I thought our centres outplayed theirs quite convincingly, full backs and 9's much the same, their wingers were leagues above ours. I found 10 quite interesting. Finn was obviously playing with an injury and just couldn't get his game going, but did OK. I've seen Sexton getting some shit for wandering around and not being as involved as he could be, but every single big moment he nailed it. Those touchline conversions were so important in the context of the game - the first put them 2 scores ahead which seemed ominous, and the second put them 3 ahead and game was over. Both will have really got Scotland's heads down under the posts.
Thought we defended pretty well overall. When you see an Irish ruck in or around the try line it's usually time to go for a piss as a score is inevitable, but we repulsed quite a few which was pleasing. Not pressurising the lineout when the 2 hookers went off was just insane, I don't understand how a top team, with a top coaching set up, doesn't do that. Disrupt a couple early on and it would have had a massive impact I think. Then again our lineout was pretty shite all day.
I did think Ireland got away with a lot more, as usual, but that's always been part of the game and they are very good at it.
But all in all, this 6N has been great so far and up until now has been a pretty fair reflection on where we all are.
Scotland were also fortunate not to have VdM and Ritchie yellow carded. In both cases if Ireland hadn't scored, they would have been off for 10 minutes.
The most ridiculous scrum put-in came from Scotland just after their scrum had been penalised and Healy forgot to tap the ball. In the ensuing scrum Price didn't even pretend to put the ball in straight, he simply threw it through the props legs and then immediately picked it up as squirted out of the side of the scrum next to him.C69 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:52 amRevisionist nonsense, I even freeze framed every throw such is the vociferous nature of my interrogation of the matter. Oh and he should have been pinged.EnergiseR2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:09 amThat's not true re his throwing. How very Tory to just make something up and try and get it to stick. Really worrying the depths Welsh rugby is now plumbing thankfully counterbalanced by VdF's ChristianityC69 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:41 am
Everyone of his throws was squint and the lack of a brake foot in the scrum should have been penalised every time.
But hey thems the breaks.
Ireland are the new NZ where officiating is concerned.
A green cloak of invisibility.
However not loading the front with their tallest forwards was retarded by Scotland it made VDFs job easy.
You rarely get pinged for a squint front ball take.
That said so should have the Scots throws.
The passing of the ball to the second rows when Healy came on made a mockery of the laws
I wept out loud and was over taken by an involuntary wailing and gnashing of teeth by the injustice of it all.
ER you are at this point worse than Goebbels with your revisionism.
Have you thought of moving to the USA and getting a job with the GOP or Q Anon?
So sad to see such a respected poster go down the rabbit hole.
I'd say you speak for us all. Even the Irish if they are honestC69 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:52 amRevisionist nonsense, I even freeze framed every throw such is the vociferous nature of my interrogation of the matter. Oh and he should have been pinged.EnergiseR2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:09 amThat's not true re his throwing. How very Tory to just make something up and try and get it to stick. Really worrying the depths Welsh rugby is now plumbing thankfully counterbalanced by VdF's ChristianityC69 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:41 am
Everyone of his throws was squint and the lack of a brake foot in the scrum should have been penalised every time.
But hey thems the breaks.
Ireland are the new NZ where officiating is concerned.
A green cloak of invisibility.
However not loading the front with their tallest forwards was retarded by Scotland it made VDFs job easy.
You rarely get pinged for a squint front ball take.
That said so should have the Scots throws.
The passing of the ball to the second rows when Healy came on made a mockery of the laws
I wept out loud and was over taken by an involuntary wailing and gnashing of teeth by the injustice of it all.
ER you are at this point worse than Goebbels with your revisionism.
Have you thought of moving to the USA and getting a job with the GOP or Q Anon?
So sad to see such a respected poster go down the rabbit hole.
He made no glaring errors. OTTOMH, 1 aimless grubber kick to the right corner early on and was he offside for the tackle that conceded the pen under the posts? But that pen was probably a good one to concede. He was clearly at the centre of Sco's high tempo attempts to destructure the game which, in the end, did not work. So, he did his job. My only criticism would be he did seem to do a lot of lateral running.Ymx wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:07 pm
Did you just write a critical post about Scotland, and not once mention Russell?
Yes. Agree. Made me think they'd be better giving Kinghorn a shot there.Uncle fester wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:18 pm Call it sticking in the boot if you want but Hogg was pretty poor. Russell was fine I thought.
Rugby rarely works out that way. Much talk of Wales facing the same prospect but I suspect neither games will result in such blowout margins.Deveron Boy wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:06 pm I think we might see a bigger crumbling in Dublin next Saturday….
So Ireland weren't permanently offside and lying all over tge ball at every breakdown? And allowed to take as long as they liked at lineouts despite Scotland getting warned on their first throw?EnergiseR2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:21 amIn the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Ireland were bummed by the ref but never mindSlick wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:03 am Obviously always a bit depressing to lose, but really that was just the reality of where we are - Ireland are very deservedly number 1 and have a team that have been through all the bumps in the road together and come out of it. We are probably 3rd best team in the 6N and that's how it will probably finish - bit annoying to have the 1st and 2nd in the world in the comp for the first time ever.
In the backs I thought our centres outplayed theirs quite convincingly, full backs and 9's much the same, their wingers were leagues above ours. I found 10 quite interesting. Finn was obviously playing with an injury and just couldn't get his game going, but did OK. I've seen Sexton getting some shit for wandering around and not being as involved as he could be, but every single big moment he nailed it. Those touchline conversions were so important in the context of the game - the first put them 2 scores ahead which seemed ominous, and the second put them 3 ahead and game was over. Both will have really got Scotland's heads down under the posts.
Thought we defended pretty well overall. When you see an Irish ruck in or around the try line it's usually time to go for a piss as a score is inevitable, but we repulsed quite a few which was pleasing. Not pressurising the lineout when the 2 hookers went off was just insane, I don't understand how a top team, with a top coaching set up, doesn't do that. Disrupt a couple early on and it would have had a massive impact I think. Then again our lineout was pretty shite all day.
I did think Ireland got away with a lot more, as usual, but that's always been part of the game and they are very good at it.
But all in all, this 6N has been great so far and up until now has been a pretty fair reflection on where we all are.
Because he'd seen the irish had been doing it for twenty minutes and the ref didnt give a toss.Lobby wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:10 amThe most ridiculous scrum put-in came from Scotland just after their scrum had been penalised and Healy forgot to tap the ball. In the ensuing scrum Price didn't even pretend to put the ball in straight, he simply threw it through the props legs and then immediately picked it up as squirted out of the side of the scrum next to him.C69 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:52 amRevisionist nonsense, I even freeze framed every throw such is the vociferous nature of my interrogation of the matter. Oh and he should have been pinged.EnergiseR2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:09 am
That's not true re his throwing. How very Tory to just make something up and try and get it to stick. Really worrying the depths Welsh rugby is now plumbing thankfully counterbalanced by VdF's Christianity
That said so should have the Scots throws.
The passing of the ball to the second rows when Healy came on made a mockery of the laws
I wept out loud and was over taken by an involuntary wailing and gnashing of teeth by the injustice of it all.
ER you are at this point worse than Goebbels with your revisionism.
Have you thought of moving to the USA and getting a job with the GOP or Q Anon?
So sad to see such a respected poster go down the rabbit hole.
Well we can dispute some of the penalties but if you think repeated infringements at the goal line is new you haven’t been watching rugby long, so welcome to the sport.EnergiseR2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:05 pmNo they weren't. Scotland on the other hand started a new game were you could run around a ruck slap at the ball and then ask the ref if that was alright while retreating amd holding your hands up as if in a 1920s cops and robbers extravaganza. Another element of this new game was to repeatedly and blatantly infringe when the other team were about to score under the posts so they could stop Jonny going clear in the all time scorers list. Look I like this new game but think it needs some structureBiffer wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:49 amSo Ireland weren't permanently offside and lying all over tge ball at every breakdown? And allowed to take as long as they liked at lineouts despite Scotland getting warned on their first throw?EnergiseR2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:21 am
In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Ireland were bummed by the ref but never mind
Cannot believe you are falling for his schtick, honestlyBiffer wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:41 pmWell we can dispute some of the penalties but if you think repeated infringements at the goal line is new you haven’t been watching rugby long, so welcome to the sport.EnergiseR2 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:05 pmNo they weren't. Scotland on the other hand started a new game were you could run around a ruck slap at the ball and then ask the ref if that was alright while retreating amd holding your hands up as if in a 1920s cops and robbers extravaganza. Another element of this new game was to repeatedly and blatantly infringe when the other team were about to score under the posts so they could stop Jonny going clear in the all time scorers list. Look I like this new game but think it needs some structureBiffer wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:49 am
So Ireland weren't permanently offside and lying all over tge ball at every breakdown? And allowed to take as long as they liked at lineouts despite Scotland getting warned on their first throw?
And Ireland have done that, many, many times.
And Ireland were lying all over the ball all day.
I think you two should just shag each other and get it out of your systems.C69 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:46 pm I feel this is my Banshee moment with ER.
I am obviously the sexy brooding Farrell to his fat gnarled old miserable Gleeson.
So sad
That is the one thing that bugs me with the way Ireland are managed by the refs. There is a high level of tolerance for players being sluggish to roll away, which kills all momentum for the attack. Yet, because Ireland go for the choke tackle, the tackler(s) often end up flopping on the attacking side, and take forever to roll away.Biffer wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:49 am
So Ireland weren't permanently offside and lying all over tge ball at every breakdown? And allowed to take as long as they liked at lineouts despite Scotland getting warned on their first throw?
He marched him back because Ritchie shouted his disagreement with the penalty decision directly at the ref. The way to do it is to ask the ref for a discussion, suggest to him that the Irish keep going off their feet and then ask him to look out for this at the next tackle situation, not wave your hands in the air and complain that the ref’s decision is wrong.Yr Alban wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:37 pm Ref had a good game overall. My only issue was walking us back 10 because Ritchie apparently told him Ireland were off their feet. Assuming he didn’t say anything ruder than that, surely the captain is allowed to say things like this? OTOH, he warned the Irish lad about telling him to give a YC, which is something I detest.
Yes, he let a lot of stuff go, but all refs have things they will tolerate and things they won’t, and I don’t think he favoured one side over the other.
Fair enough - if you wanted a masterclass in how to play the ref, you’d ask the IrishLobby wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:47 pmHe marched him back because Ritchie shouted his disagreement with the penalty decision directly at the ref. The way to do it is to ask the ref for a discussion, suggest to him that the Irish keep going off their feet and then ask him to look out for this at the next tackle situation, not wave your hands in the air and complain that the ref’s decision is wrong.Yr Alban wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:37 pm Ref had a good game overall. My only issue was walking us back 10 because Ritchie apparently told him Ireland were off their feet. Assuming he didn’t say anything ruder than that, surely the captain is allowed to say things like this? OTOH, he warned the Irish lad about telling him to give a YC, which is something I detest.
Yes, he let a lot of stuff go, but all refs have things they will tolerate and things they won’t, and I don’t think he favoured one side over the other.