2023 Six Nations

[CM11]

Bit of fresh air on this thread. Nice to see no frothing and respectful comments all round.

On Ireland's play overall, Sexton said they went out and did virtually nothing Farrell told them to do. Which made sense because it looked like they'd reverted to a few years ago with too much one out rugby and then inaccurate passing, making things hard for ourselves time and again.

I'd like to think we'd have won anyway but I'm pretty upset we didn't get a chance to do so v 15. It's why I was delighted Antonio was only yellowed. I'm all for the 20 min bin, especially for the type of incident yesterday.

[JM2K6]

On Ireland's play overall, Sexton said they went out and did virtually nothing Farrell told them to do.

wish we'd do the same, etc

[C69]

Ireland and France have been head and shoulders better than anyone elese this season.
Is this the first time the top 2 ranked teams in the World have finished 1 and 2 ?

I can see France moving forward for the RWC but feel Ireland have peaked and not too sure they have the physicality to make it through a tough side of the draw and go all the way to the final. Anyway, enjoy your win guys and wrap Sexton and Gurlong up in cotton wool.

[CM11]

Ireland and France have been head and shoulders better than anyone elese this season.
Is this the first time the top 2 ranked teams in the World have finished 1 and 2 ?

I can see France moving forward for the RWC but feel Ireland have peaked and not too sure they have the physicality to make it through a tough side of the draw and go all the way to the final. Anyway, enjoy your win guys and wrap Sexton and Gurlong up in cotton wool.

On the assumption that beating Scotland gets us into the quarter, we've one big game to make the semis as we don't have to beat SA as really the winning or coming second is much of a muchness. Arguably getting France, if they win their group, at the QF stage is better and England, probably, in the semis is a preferable draw to NZ then Aus then France. Obviously things won't go exactly to plan, as we know from previous WCs, so that draw is by no means guaranteed.

Because of the way they've scheduled now, squads with less depth aren't as inconvenienced. Our draw is pretty decent. Two minnows, SA, two week break, Scotland. It means that we'll still be relatively fresh for the quarters.

[Hellraiser]

Did one of the Irish rugby lads make a joke about women's rugby once upon a time or something?

Why is he so bitter? Probably needs to sort himself out if he wants to be taken seriously by people as a pundit.

Sad to see yet another taff have his neurons melted together in a formless mush by bitterness about ireland.

He sees the writing on the wall for Welsh rugby for the next 10-15 years, and can't abide the fact that Ireland has successfully negotiated professionalism and Wales hasn't.

[Paddington Bear]

Fun game here, England ahead 7-5 but Ireland look ominous. They also seem to run very similar patterns to the main side, Lancaster’s mitts all over that

[fishfoodie]

Fun game here, England ahead 7-5 but Ireland look ominous. They also seem to run very similar patterns to the main side, Lancaster’s mitts all over that

They've been training with the senior side regularly this 6N

[sockwithaticket]

Ah come on, you've got to give that.

[Paddington Bear]

Fuck me our 3 is enormous, could be very handy

[Slick]

What’s the score? Not getting near this on Mothers Day

[PCPhil]

What’s the score? Not getting near this on Mothers Day

17 - 7 to ireland and a red coming for England.

[sockwithaticket]

I honestly don't see how that's red.

Fuck me our 3 is enormous, could be very handy

Maybe. Shades of Painter and Heyes about him atm in that he and they were obviously massive humans at this level, but scrummaging is variable. In the case of the latter two it's yet to really pick up.

[Mahoney]

270 not 360, if it were 360 he’d have ended up on his feet again…

Hard to argue with that red, goodness knows what 10 was thinking.

[Margin__Walker]

What's the coaching point there on that red?

He's gone low and wrapped. The player is running at speed and has whipped over the top of him. It's all momentum

[Paddington Bear]

He’s sent a bloke through 360 degrees - hard to give anything but a red to be fair. Suspect that’s the game

[PCPhil]

I honestly don't see how that's red.

Fuck me our 3 is enormous, could be very handy

Maybe. Shades of Painter and Heyes about him atm in that he and they were obviously massive humans at this level, but scrummaging is variable. In the case of the latter two it's yet to really pick up.

In Judo perhaps not. You joking aren’t you?

[Margin__Walker]

He’s sent a bloke through 360 degrees - hard to give anything but a red to be fair. Suspect that’s the game

There was no lift though. He's just spun over the top of him.

[sockwithaticket]

I honestly don't see how that's red.

Fuck me our 3 is enormous, could be very handy

Maybe. Shades of Painter and Heyes about him atm in that he and they were obviously massive humans at this level, but scrummaging is variable. In the case of the latter two it's yet to really pick up.

In Judo perhaps not. You joking aren’t you?

No, like Margin says, what's he actually supposed to do differently? The Irish player going through the air is obviously very spectacular, but Bradbury went in low, wrapped his arms and drove as is the case in umpteen tackles per match.

[Paddington Bear]

He’s sent a bloke through 360 degrees - hard to give anything but a red to be fair. Suspect that’s the game

There was no lift though. He's just spun over the top of him.

He’s got to keep hold of him. The duty of care stuff was bollocks on the Steward one but is valid there. Nothing malicious but you can’t let that stand

[Mahoney]

If you go that low you’ve got to soak tackle, otherwise you’re going to flip them. And then as he goes over the top the tackler stands up and sends him through 270.

Not 360. Obviously.

[Margin__Walker]

He’s sent a bloke through 360 degrees - hard to give anything but a red to be fair. Suspect that’s the game

There was no lift though. He's just spun over the top of him.

He’s got to keep hold of him. The duty of care stuff was bollocks on the Steward one but is valid there. Nothing malicious but you can’t let that stand

That's absolute split second stuff though. Happens at real time not in slow motion. No one is keeping hold of him at that speed. In a traditional tip where the player is lifted, you absolutely have the opportunity to let him down again. No chance here.

[PCPhil]

If you go that low you’ve got to soak tackle, otherwise you’re going to flip them. And then as he goes over the top the tackler stands up and sends him through 270.

Not 360. Obviously.

Actually, 360 would have spectacular

[Paddington Bear]

This has 40/50 written all over it now sadly. England look shagged, Ireland in pro condition

[sockwithaticket]

England 2 has a lot of ink on that arm for someone so young.

[Mahoney]

If you go that low you’ve got to soak tackle, otherwise you’re going to flip them. And then as he goes over the top the tackler stands up and sends him through 270.

Not 360. Obviously.

Actually, 360 would have spectacular

Would it count as bringing him down safely?

[Paddington Bear]

Well deserved try. All our front rowers look pretty formidable scrummagers, which is positive

[sockwithaticket]

Fair play to the boys for digging in.

[Paddington Bear]

What a kick. How’s your bottle Ireland?

Shame Chessum’s try didn’t stand

[Torquemada 1420]

Just tuned in and Baby Orcs on a red? As dim as their senior counterparts?

[Paddington Bear]

Good try. This has been a really good game, a credit to both sides

[Paddington Bear]

Just tuned in and Baby Orcs on a red? As dim as their senior counterparts?

Unlucky rather than anything else, there’s been some debate but for me it was a clear red

[Torquemada 1420]

Just tuned in and Baby Orcs on a red? As dim as their senior counterparts?

Unlucky rather than anything else, there’s been some debate but for me it was a clear red

Cheers.

Pretty silly behaviour at the end there. Just have to suck it up.

[Paddington Bear]

Just tuned in and Baby Orcs on a red? As dim as their senior counterparts?

Unlucky rather than anything else, there’s been some debate but for me it was a clear red

Cheers.

Pretty silly behaviour at the end there. Just have to suck it up.

They rubbed Chessum’s face in it twice in two minutes - does any 20 year old take that on the chin?

[CM11]

I sympathise with the argument that he went low and what else was he meant to do but that logic suggests the only outcome is that he flips. In which case you just cant do it. Sorry. He was lucky the player didn't land more awkwardly.

That said, I thought they might have argued it to yellow because he didn't land on his head or even upper back/neck.

[Margin__Walker]

I sympathise with the argument that he went low and what else was he meant to do but that logic suggests the only outcome is that he flips. In which case you just cant do it. Sorry. He was lucky the player didn't land more awkwardly.

That said, I thought they might have argued it to yellow because he didn't land on his head or even upper back/neck.

Then what's the coaching point then. He goes upright and risks head contact, or steps out of the way of the tackle?

And I hadn't even noticed that he lands on his arse. I just don't see how that's serious foul play. I know I'm in a minority, but he just seemed to get a red because it looked spectacular.

Don't think it would have made a difference in the end though. It's another good Ireland team who deserved the GS.

[CM11]

I sympathise with the argument that he went low and what else was he meant to do but that logic suggests the only outcome is that he flips. In which case you just cant do it. Sorry. He was lucky the player didn't land more awkwardly.

That said, I thought they might have argued it to yellow because he didn't land on his head or even upper back/neck.

That's what I thought the video dude was working him towards

Missed that. The rest of the officials seemed to agree with the ref.

[CM11]

I sympathise with the argument that he went low and what else was he meant to do but that logic suggests the only outcome is that he flips. In which case you just cant do it. Sorry. He was lucky the player didn't land more awkwardly.

That said, I thought they might have argued it to yellow because he didn't land on his head or even upper back/neck.

Then what's the coaching point then. He goes upright and risks head contact, or steps out of the way of the tackle?

And I hadn't even noticed that he lands on his arse. I just don't see how that's serious foul play. I know I'm in a minority, but he just seemed to get a red because it looked spectacular.

Don't think it would have made a difference in the end though. It's another good Ireland team who deserved the GS.

I think a senior ref would have given yellow.

Coaching point? I mean it rarely happens so I guess he shouldn't have tried to tackle head on, planting his feet, and executed a tackle which allowed some defensive movement to absorb the momentum.

[Torquemada 1420]

They rubbed Chessum’s face in it twice in two minutes - does any 20 year old take that on the chin?

I think the results are doing that for themselves in regards Eng.

[Margin__Walker]

I sympathise with the argument that he went low and what else was he meant to do but that logic suggests the only outcome is that he flips. In which case you just cant do it. Sorry. He was lucky the player didn't land more awkwardly.

That said, I thought they might have argued it to yellow because he didn't land on his head or even upper back/neck.

Then what's the coaching point then. He goes upright and risks head contact, or steps out of the way of the tackle?

And I hadn't even noticed that he lands on his arse. I just don't see how that's serious foul play. I know I'm in a minority, but he just seemed to get a red because it looked spectacular.

Don't think it would have made a difference in the end though. It's another good Ireland team who deserved the GS.

I think a senior ref would have given yellow.

Coaching point? I mean it rarely happens so I guess he shouldn't have tried to tackle head on, planting his feet, and executed a tackle which allowed some defensive movement to absorb the momentum.

I just don't see how it's a red in the law book. Or even an offence.

It's not even one of those, 'it's unfortunate, but by the letter of the law...' jobs

[Mahoney]

The coaching points are obvious.

1) if you’re tackling someone going really fast head on, you can either aim a dominant tackle at or above their centre of balance (so roughly at their chest) or you can go lower and do a soak tackle, falling back with them. If you go hard at them below their centre of balance they’re going to flip.

2) if you fuck up and go in hard below their centre of balance, don’t stand up when they’re horizontal on your back! That’s what really sends the guy cartwheeling.