Stop voting for fucking Tories

[SaintK]

Well I'm blowed, Tories putting pressure on the BBC

Tories pressured BBC over Johnson’s claim Starmer failed to prosecute Jimmy Savile
Party asked corporation not to say accusation was ‘false’ relating to time when Labour leader was DPP
BBC sources said there had been communication from Conservative campaign headquarters (CCHQ) urging it not to use the term “false”, with points raised about Starmer taking credit for positive records from his time at the CPS.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ ... -savile

[C69]

There's a storm coming in the NHS. All non medical and dental staff are covered by the AFC mechanism based upon equal pay for similar jobs and job evaluation.

The RCN have rode a stage coach through collective bargaining and their leader has been told officially by Barclay that nursing staff will have their own pay scales next year.

Divide and conquer.

It's going to get messy as feck.
A few years ago I would have given a shit. Not now though.
I am moving to retire in 2 years.

[Slick]

Yeah OK big man, cool your jets (if you had any)

[dpedin]

There's a storm coming in the NHS. All non medical and dental staff are covered by the AFC mechanism based upon equal pay for similar jobs and job evaluation.

The RCN have rode a stage coach through collective bargaining and their leader has been told officially by Barclay that nursing staff will have their own pay scales next year.

Divide and conquer.

It's going to get messy as feck.
A few years ago I would have given a shit. Not now though.
I am moving to retire in 2 years.

Can't see the unions agreeing to this - it would be a disaster for all concerned. It shifts the NHS back 20 years. Just dumb!

[C69]

There's a storm coming in the NHS. All non medical and dental staff are covered by the AFC mechanism based upon equal pay for similar jobs and job evaluation.

The RCN have rode a stage coach through collective bargaining and their leader has been told officially by Barclay that nursing staff will have their own pay scales next year.

Divide and conquer.

It's going to get messy as feck.
A few years ago I would have given a shit. Not now though.
I am moving to retire in 2 years.

Can't see the unions agreeing to this - it would be a disaster for all concerned. It shifts the NHS back 20 years. Just dumb!

The RCN have orchestrated this.
I can imagine the carnage this will cause on the ground.
OTs and Physio's the same band as a nurse with the same experience etc and the nurse gets paid more.

AFC out of the window and loads of legal challenges and grievances locally.

I will just sit back and laugh at it all.

[dpedin]

There's a storm coming in the NHS. All non medical and dental staff are covered by the AFC mechanism based upon equal pay for similar jobs and job evaluation.

The RCN have rode a stage coach through collective bargaining and their leader has been told officially by Barclay that nursing staff will have their own pay scales next year.

Divide and conquer.

It's going to get messy as feck.
A few years ago I would have given a shit. Not now though.
I am moving to retire in 2 years.

Can't see the unions agreeing to this - it would be a disaster for all concerned. It shifts the NHS back 20 years. Just dumb!

The RCN have orchestrated this.
I can imagine the carnage this will cause on the ground.
OTs and Physio's the same band as a nurse with the same experience etc and the nurse gets paid more.

AFC out of the window and loads of legal challenges and grievances locally.

I will just sit back and laugh at it all.

Exactly this. I can see why the RCN want to pursue this a sort of professional protectionism but it would stop in its tracks any efforts to develop new roles and break down some of the barriers between roles, etc. Just crazy!

[tabascoboy]

FFS

[C69]

FFS

Jesus Titty Christ she is disgusting.

[tabascoboy]

[SaintK]

FFS

She is a vile piece of shit
Her Farnham constituency is joining Waterlooville in the boundary changes. Hopefully she won't make the cut when the new Tory candidate is selected..........................fingers crossed!

[Sandstorm]

FFS

She is a vile piece of shit
Her Farnham constituency is joining Waterlooville in the boundary changes. Hopefully she won't make the cut when the new Tory candidate is selected..........................fingers crossed!

Tories need a minority woman to be Home Secretary to avoid "That's Racist....." shouts every time she makes an announcement.

[Glaston]

https://www.euractiv.com/section/migrat ... -capitals/



Remove more migrants says EU, increase deportations.


Haven't the Irish just passed some harsh anti migrant laws as well?

[duke]

FFS

She is a vile piece of shit
Her Farnham constituency is joining Waterlooville in the boundary changes. Hopefully she won't make the cut when the new Tory candidate is selected..........................fingers crossed!

Fareham - I thought it was a bit of a stretch linking Farnham and Waterlooville! We live in hope that she gets booted

[_Os_]

You know someone has let being a "Brexiteer" go to their head when they choose to use "cricketeer" instead of "cricketer". If it's her or a helper, it's a bit odd.

Rwanda will prove to be a total fuck up. The UK is choosing to support an authoritarian quasi-dictatorship in a very public way, Rwanda isn't a stranger to backing rebel groups in the DRC who commit war crimes, it does this for regime survival because it has limited popular legitimacy and will be overwhelmed otherwise. There was heavy fighting in the DRC right on the border with Rwanda recently, including the use of fighter jets, an SA Air Force crewman was KIA last month as part of the peacekeeping mission there. Rwanda is an ethnically based minority junta, it would be wrong to think Paul Kagame's regime doesn't end up somewhere similar to Ian Smith's regime simply because everyone involved is black. Africans are wise to all this which is why Rwanda looks for support outside Africa particularly in the West. If we really are in Cold War 2, all these factors make that part of the world a prime candidate for being a total shit show. A place its probably best to avoid.

The real place refugees will find, is a Rwanda that's overwhelmingly rural with an economy about the size of Malawi's (always regarded by Southern Africans as the poorest place in Southern Africa). There's basically no opportunity there for anyone not connected to the regime. No refugees that end up there are hanging around for long. That's the entire point too, the UK knows its a shithole.

[C69]

https://www.euractiv.com/section/migrat ... -capitals/



Remove more migrants says EU, increase deportations.


Haven't the Irish just passed some harsh anti migrant laws as well?

Pity we can't have access to these actions.
We just spunk billions up against the Wall and pay the French

[C69]

https://www.euractiv.com/section/migrat ... -capitals/



Remove more migrants says EU, increase deportations.


Haven't the Irish just passed some harsh anti migrant laws as well?

Pity we can't have access to these actions.
We just spunk billions up against the Wall and pay the French

[C69]

So the DUP will vote against the Windsor Framework, and I suppose the Tories will be whipped to vote for it.
Will some in the ERG have the balls to vote against it with their Unionist pals?

If a few vote against it the schism within the Party will be palpable.
On the day the Boris is the pantomime villian being cross examined.

Let the revelry begin

[SaintK]

FFS

She is a vile piece of shit
Her Farnham constituency is joining Waterlooville in the boundary changes. Hopefully she won't make the cut when the new Tory candidate is selected..........................fingers crossed!

Fareham - I thought it was a bit of a stretch linking Farnham and Waterlooville! We live in hope that she gets booted

Thanks...........bloody fat fingers!

[tc27]

DUP are fucking idiots - I cant think of a party who have made so many strategic mistakes in such a quick amount of time

[Jim Lahey]

DUP are fucking idiots - I cant think of a party who have made so many strategic mistakes in such a quick amount of time

It is genuinely impressive.

Early in the 2010s, they had the majority of unionist voters sewn up. Despite their wanky religious beliefs, people were almost ready to overlook Paisley's history once he had kissed and made up with McGuinness. Robinson was a relatively safe pair of hands once Big Ian stepped away, and the party was a slick operation with little in the way of gaffes.

Then RHI happened.

Then Brexit happened.

Then they overplayed their hand with Theresa May.

Then they trusted Boris.

Then they walked out of government.

Then the Alliance Party stole a rake of their voters, allowing SF to become the biggest party in NI.

And since then, they have completely dropped their masks and behaved like a pack of self-important, self righteous, insane karnts.

I've never voted DUP but jaysus, any rational person that may have in the past would need their heads checked to do so again. Clearly they know they are fucked and are stalling for time, crossing their fingers and bollocks that somehow they are proven correct in the end, and they can win back voters. Fat-fucking-chance.

Their collapse has been highly entertaining to watch so far, can't wait for the next installment

[C69]

So Boris' dossier will be out tomorrow.
Let the pantomime begin.

[fishfoodie]

Penfold & his gang have decided to parrot the DUPs line of bollox, & are going to vote against the Government, so they should all be losing the whip if Rishi can borrow a pair of balls from someone.

[Big D]

DUP are fucking idiots - I cant think of a party who have made so many strategic mistakes in such a quick amount of time

Yeah it is incredible. They'll have a baseline of supporters who will never not vote for them but from speaking to family over there they are losing voters that will probably never return to them.

[Joost]

As we’re talking NI politics, any sensible views on the possibility of a united Ireland in our lifetimes?

If it could be achieved legitimately without any return of sectarian violence (even now, surely quite a big ‘if’!), I imagine the UK Govt wouldn’t try to stand in the way.

[SaintK]

So Boris' dossier will be out tomorrow.
Let the pantomime begin.

The committee are "unfair", "I was following advice" and "I didn't knowingly lie" says proven cheat and liar.

In summary, Boris Johnson is arguing Parliament may have been misled – but it wasn’t on purpose.

"A suggestion that we would have held events which were "obviously" contrary to the rules and guidance, and allowed those events to be immortalised by the official photographer is implausible," he says.

A key argument made by Boris Johnson is that he relied on the advice of officials.
Several times, he lists the discussions he had with key aides – including director of communications Jack Doyle
Johnson says he relied on their advice and had not been told rules had been broken.

In his evidence, Boris Johnson refers to the fourth report produced by Committee on Privileges about his behaviour.
He says he does not accept the committee did all it could to ensure "fairness".
"It is important to record my disappointment at the highly partisan tone and content of the Fourth Report," he says.
"The Fourth Report appears to record findings of fact, despite the fact that the Committee has not yet heard any evidence from me."

[Biffer]

So Boris' dossier will be out tomorrow.
Let the pantomime begin.

The committee are "unfair", "I was following advice" and "I didn't knowingly lie" says proven cheat and liar.

In summary, Boris Johnson is arguing Parliament may have been misled – but it wasn’t on purpose.

"A suggestion that we would have held events which were "obviously" contrary to the rules and guidance, and allowed those events to be immortalised by the official photographer is implausible," he says.

A key argument made by Boris Johnson is that he relied on the advice of officials.
Several times, he lists the discussions he had with key aides – including director of communications Jack Doyle
Johnson says he relied on their advice and had not been told rules had been broken.

In his evidence, Boris Johnson refers to the fourth report produced by Committee on Privileges about his behaviour.
He says he does not accept the committee did all it could to ensure "fairness".
"It is important to record my disappointment at the highly partisan tone and content of the Fourth Report," he says.
"The Fourth Report appears to record findings of fact, despite the fact that the Committee has not yet heard any evidence from me."

It was someone else's fault sir, honest.

[Jim Lahey]

As we’re talking NI politics, any sensible views on the possibility of a united Ireland in our lifetimes?

If it could be achieved legitimately without any return of sectarian violence (even now, surely quite a big ‘if’!), I imagine the UK Govt wouldn’t try to stand in the way.

If SF weren't so toxic then it'd happen a lot quicker.

SF somehow shits itself and sensible party from the south is able to sell the benefits of a UI to the growing number of floating voters here then I can see it happening.

It'll never happen as long as SF are the largest nationalist party in NI. A lot of rational people would struggle to vote for the cuntz even if it meant a better life for them in a UI.

[tabascoboy]

Boris Johnson claims "there is no evidence at all that supports an allegation that I intentionally or recklessly misled the House".

He says there is "not a single document" indicating he was warned or advised that any event may have broken Covid rules or guidance.

So either he "unknowingly" lied or he's too fcuking stupid to understand the rules his government set. Either way not fit to be in Parliament.

[Sandstorm]

Boris Johnson claims "there is no evidence at all that supports an allegation that I intentionally or recklessly misled the House".

He says there is "not a single document" indicating he was warned or advised that any event may have broken Covid rules or guidance.

So either he "unknowingly" lied or he's too fcuking stupid to understand the rules his government set. Either way not fit to be in Parliament.

Mate. He knew.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

His defence is predicated on the idea he needed to rely on advice from others and could set aside in practice he himself knew there were parties because he was invited to a significant number and actually attended some of them in person. Which is odd.

For whatever reason Team Big Dog have been watching old videos of Clinton and the 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman' interview and have decided now all these years later that's a go to play which will work. He'd be doing better to have claimed he was never actually in Downing Street and was instead waiting for a friend at Barnard Castle

[fishfoodie]

Boris Johnson claims "there is no evidence at all that supports an allegation that I intentionally or recklessly misled the House".

He says there is "not a single document" indicating he was warned or advised that any event may have broken Covid rules or guidance.

So either he "unknowingly" lied or he's too fcuking stupid to understand the rules his government set. Either way not fit to be in Parliament.

Mate. He knew.

He did, but now his plan is to go in front of a Parliamentary committee, under oath; & & lie & say that he didn't know, despite his not denying the sworn statement of another attendee that he said, "this must be the most undistanced gathering in Britain"

He clearly knew it was a gathering, & that it was in breach of the regulations.

His big plan .... continue lying, because he thinks everyone else is thick, & the rules aren't for him.

[Big D]

As we’re talking NI politics, any sensible views on the possibility of a united Ireland in our lifetimes?

If it could be achieved legitimately without any return of sectarian violence (even now, surely quite a big ‘if’!), I imagine the UK Govt wouldn’t try to stand in the way.

If SF weren't so toxic then it'd happen a lot quicker.

SF somehow shits itself and sensible party from the south is able to sell the benefits of a UI to the growing number of floating voters here then I can see it happening.

It'll never happen as long as SF are the largest nationalist party in NI. A lot of rational people would struggle to vote for the cuntz even if it meant a better life for them in a UI.

I think the last line nails it.

The younger generation that I know from family and friends over there, and younger is a loose term (under 50's) just want the politicians to get on with their job and make the country a better place. Which the DUP are preventing.

[tabascoboy]

So either he "unknowingly" lied or he's too fcuking stupid to understand the rules his government set. Either way not fit to be in Parliament.

Mate. He knew.

He did, but now his plan is to go in front of a Parliamentary committee, under oath; & & lie & say that he didn't know, despite his not denying the sworn statement of another attendee that he said, "this must be the most undistanced gathering in Britain"

He clearly knew it was a gathering, & that it was in breach of the regulations.

His big plan .... continue lying, because he thinks everyone else is thick, & the rules aren't for him.

What's that saying about "the bigger the lie...the more it will be believed"?

[Sandstorm]

Mate. He knew.

He did, but now his plan is to go in front of a Parliamentary committee, under oath; & & lie & say that he didn't know, despite his not denying the sworn statement of another attendee that he said, "this must be the most undistanced gathering in Britain"

He clearly knew it was a gathering, & that it was in breach of the regulations.

His big plan .... continue lying, because he thinks everyone else is thick, & the rules aren't for him.

What's that saying about "the bigger the lie...the more it will be believed"?

But it's not a big lie. It's rather small: "No-one told me it was wrong...." despite standing in front of a lectern every evening at 5pm for 6 months and telling us all to not attend gatherings.

That's how children try to cover their arses.

[tabascoboy]

He did, but now his plan is to go in front of a Parliamentary committee, under oath; & & lie & say that he didn't know, despite his not denying the sworn statement of another attendee that he said, "this must be the most undistanced gathering in Britain"

He clearly knew it was a gathering, & that it was in breach of the regulations.

His big plan .... continue lying, because he thinks everyone else is thick, & the rules aren't for him.

What's that saying about "the bigger the lie...the more it will be believed"?

But it's not a big lie. It's rather small: "No-one told me it was wrong...." despite standing in front of a lectern every evening at 5pm for 6 months and telling us all to not attend gatherings.

That's how children try to cover their arses.

True, it's more the part of that quote I missed out: "and keep repeating it..." and he's hoping people do come to believe it really wasn't his fault but his "advisors"

And the legal advice which apparently cost the taxpayer over £200K was just this? Clearly money well spent

[_Os_]

Mark Francois speaking in the third person, "the star chamber of the ERG", "Sir Bill Cash", failing to support any workable NI end point, voting against their own party/government.

My Brexit bingo card is full. These cunts are just desperate to make Brexit dysfunction last forever.

[_Os_]

This is what Sunak needs to do (bit of a repost):

1. Whatever the privileges committee decides on Johnson goes to a vote in the commons. Sunak should push for maximum punishment, which is removal of the whip and a byelection. He should send Big Dog to the pound if he's at all able to do so. His only real threat is Big Dog, so if Sunak fails here there's a chance Big Dog returns.

2. Push through his NI deal. Make it a confidence vote, if the usual trouble makers try and vote against it remove the whip and begin the process of removing their Tory membership.

3. If the DUP insist on not forming a government in NI, start the process of amending the GFA so if one party consistently refuses to form a government another is asked until a government can be formed. Ratify it via an NI referendum if needed. Maybe that will force some movement.

Sunak probably still has a majority after all that. And "parliamentary sovereignty" which all these headbangers support, means if parliament are voting for it all with majorities then it's fine and good to go. It's all going to have to happen eventually anyway, would be better for the Tories if they did it sooner rather than later. For the rest of us the sooner this bullshit ends the better, although the Tories taking their time and being more damaged isn't all bad.

[Hal Jordan]

He did, but now his plan is to go in front of a Parliamentary committee, under oath; & & lie & say that he didn't know, despite his not denying the sworn statement of another attendee that he said, "this must be the most undistanced gathering in Britain"

He clearly knew it was a gathering, & that it was in breach of the regulations.

His big plan .... continue lying, because he thinks everyone else is thick, & the rules aren't for him.

What's that saying about "the bigger the lie...the more it will be believed"?

But it's not a big lie. It's rather small: "No-one told me it was wrong...." despite standing in front of a lectern every evening at 5pm for 6 months and telling us all to not attend gatherings.

That's how children try to cover their arses.

From Eddie Izzard: "I was dead at the time! I was on The Moon! With Steve!"

[Insane_Homer]

I don't think I was lying when I said there were no parties because it was only hearsay at the time as I was unaware there was a video

[Biffer]

This is what Sunak needs to do (bit of a repost):

1. Whatever the privileges committee decides on Johnson goes to a vote in the commons. Sunak should push for maximum punishment, which is removal of the whip and a byelection. He should send Big Dog to the pound if he's at all able to do so. His only real threat is Big Dog, so if Sunak fails here there's a chance Big Dog returns.

2. Push through his NI deal. Make it a confidence vote, if the usual trouble makers try and vote against it remove the whip and begin the process of removing their Tory membership.

3. If the DUP insist on not forming a government in NI, start the process of amending the GFA so if one party consistently refuses to form a government another is asked until a government can be formed. Ratify it via an NI referendum if needed. Maybe that will force some movement.

Sunak probably still has a majority after all that. And "parliamentary sovereignty" which all these headbangers support, means if parliament are voting for it all with majorities then it's fine and good to go. It's all going to have to happen eventually anyway, would be better for the Tories if they did it sooner rather than later. For the rest of us the sooner this bullshit ends the better, although the Tories taking their time and being more damaged isn't all bad.

There’s an argument in favour of rewriting the GFA due to the rise of the Alliance Party.