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Good game of rugby. Ospreys punched themselves out in the first 50 or so. Billy’s hands calamitous. Goode dragged us kicking and screaming into some semblance of order. Will have to be better next week
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Can't see any Saffer side going to the semi finals.
Toulouse vs $hark$
Exeter vs Stormers

In Challenge
Glasgow vs Lions.
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With only two French Quarter finalists compared to England’s three do we need to have a discussion about the crisis in the French game?
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Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:01 pm With only two French Quarter finalists compared to England’s three do we need to have a discussion about the crisis in the French game?
Definitely have to question whether their structure values crowds and the international game over domestic success. Concerning times for fans of French club rugby.
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JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 3:55 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 3:50 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 3:47 pm Another intercept by Taylor. What a great option to be able to bring off the bench. Earl with another great break, he's up there with Mako today.


Taylor is Saracens academy. Made of biscuits.
He was signed from Bedford.


Ah my error, he's another one of those superstars that moneybags Saracens buy in.
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Kawazaki wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:05 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 3:55 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 3:50 pm
Taylor is Saracens academy. Made of biscuits.
He was signed from Bedford.
Ah my error, he's another one of those superstars that moneybags Saracens buy in.
What a strange pair of posts.
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JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:04 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:01 pm With only two French Quarter finalists compared to England’s three do we need to have a discussion about the crisis in the French game?
Definitely have to question whether their structure values crowds and the international game over domestic success. Concerning times for fans of French club rugby.
A crisis in the standard of Irish refs from the sounds of things.
TBF we are responsible for Frank Murphy.
Ian Madigan for Ireland.
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JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:04 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:01 pm With only two French Quarter finalists compared to England’s three do we need to have a discussion about the crisis in the French game?
Definitely have to question whether their structure values crowds and the international game over domestic success. Concerning times for fans of French club rugby.
Not the structure it’s the cheating referees
Ask Torque
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JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:07 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:05 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 3:55 pm

He was signed from Bedford.
Ah my error, he's another one of those superstars that moneybags Saracens buy in.
What a strange pair of posts.


Don't be so coy, I'm sure you understand exactly.
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Kawazaki wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:11 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:07 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:05 pm
Ah my error, he's another one of those superstars that moneybags Saracens buy in.
What a strange pair of posts.


Don't be so coy, I'm sure you understand exactly.
Has there been a big argument about the players Saracens develop recently or something, because I am absolutely at a loss to explain why praising Taylor's impact off the bench has led to this mini meltdown
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Just catching up with the Exeter Montpellier match
Had no idea Henry Thomas was still there and starting
Good to see Elliott Stooke playing well
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JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:20 pm
Kawazaki wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:11 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:07 pm

What a strange pair of posts.


Don't be so coy, I'm sure you understand exactly.
Has there been a big argument about the players Saracens develop recently or something, because I am absolutely at a loss to explain why praising Taylor's impact off the bench has led to this mini meltdown


No meltdown, don't worry yourself. :thumbup:
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SaintK wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:11 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:04 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:01 pm With only two French Quarter finalists compared to England’s three do we need to have a discussion about the crisis in the French game?
Definitely have to question whether their structure values crowds and the international game over domestic success. Concerning times for fans of French club rugby.
Not the structure it’s the cheating referees
Ask Torque
French clubs do value crowds.

It seems you two could learn from this example of rugby values in victory from a Fre crowd.

Respecting the fight put up by brave Gloucester with applause:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1642252910393192449
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shereblue wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:36 pm
SaintK wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:11 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:04 pm

Definitely have to question whether their structure values crowds and the international game over domestic success. Concerning times for fans of French club rugby.
Not the structure it’s the cheating referees
Ask Torque
French clubs do value crowds.

It seems you two could learn from this example of rugby values in victory from a Fre crowd.

Respecting the fight put up by brave Gloucester with applause:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1642252910393192449
Even the crowds have gone soft. Shameful.
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JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:40 pm
shereblue wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:36 pm
SaintK wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:11 pm
Not the structure it’s the cheating referees
Ask Torque
French clubs do value crowds.

It seems you two could learn from this example of rugby values in victory from a Fre crowd.

Respecting the fight put up by brave Gloucester with applause:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1642252910393192449
Even the crowds have gone soft. Shameful.
tbf, anglophone refs have gone soft on Fra in recent times. Brace still manfully holding out for the old ways.
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Oh well, two home wins, sounds as though the Ospreys were at least competitive some of the time and a trouncing for the Dragons. About as good as we could have hoped for then.
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shereblue wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:56 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:40 pm
shereblue wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:36 pm
French clubs do value crowds.

It seems you two could learn from this example of rugby values in victory from a Fre crowd.

Respecting the fight put up by brave Gloucester with applause:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1642252910393192449
Even the crowds have gone soft. Shameful.
tbf, anglophone refs have gone soft on Fra in recent times. Brace still manfully holding out for the old ways.
Not enough. I demand blood.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:01 pm With only two French Quarter finalists compared to England’s three do we need to have a discussion about the crisis in the French game?
Depends how you define crisis.
- Your national side is the worst performing in the world relative to resources.
- You don't have a single player who would make a world 2nd XV best, let alone the 1st.
- Your Ux performances don't suggest much is coming through to alter that.
- 2 of your clubs have folded, one of them arguably your one with the best history in Europe.
- Serious questions over the long term viability of many of the others.
- Your 2nd tier offers nothing to replace them.
- Your attendances wouldn't trouble the 2nd division of football.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:42 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:01 pm With only two French Quarter finalists compared to England’s three do we need to have a discussion about the crisis in the French game?
Depends how you define crisis.
- Your national side is the worst performing in the world relative to resources.
- You don't have a single player who would make a world 2nd XV best, let alone the 1st.
- Your Ux performances don't suggest much is coming through to alter that.
- 2 of your clubs have folded, one of them arguably your one with the best history in Europe.
- Serious questions over the long term viability of many of the others.
- Your 2nd tier offers nothing to replace them.
- Your attendances wouldn't trouble the 2nd division of football.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:42 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:01 pm With only two French Quarter finalists compared to England’s three do we need to have a discussion about the crisis in the French game?
Depends how you define crisis.
- Your national side is the worst performing in the world relative to resources.
- You don't have a single player who would make a world 2nd XV best, let alone the 1st.
- Your Ux performances don't suggest much is coming through to alter that.
- 2 of your clubs have folded, one of them arguably your one with the best history in Europe.
- Serious questions over the long term viability of many of the others.
- Your 2nd tier offers nothing to replace them.
- Your attendances wouldn't trouble the 2nd division of football.
Yep
Twat, utter twat
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Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:42 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:01 pm With only two French Quarter finalists compared to England’s three do we need to have a discussion about the crisis in the French game?
Depends how you define crisis.
- Your national side is the worst performing in the world relative to resources.
- You don't have a single player who would make a world 2nd XV best, let alone the 1st.
- Your Ux performances don't suggest much is coming through to alter that.
- 2 of your clubs have folded, one of them arguably your one with the best history in Europe.
- Serious questions over the long term viability of many of the others.
- Your 2nd tier offers nothing to replace them.
- Your attendances wouldn't trouble the 2nd division of football.
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Only 2 Saffer teams luckily the teams with the most Springboks. $hark$ vs Toulouse is like a mini France vs Springboks trial run in a knock out. The experience will be valuable for Springboks.

We always know our teams have to play away from the semis.

From this anything is a bonus.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:47 pm Image
Leinster
Toulouse
Stormers
LaR
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fishfoodie wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:10 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:47 pm Image
Leinster
Toulouse
Stormers
LaR
Hard to disagree, although La Rochelle will need to up their game having nearly been turned over by Gloucester of all teams.
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:15 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:10 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:47 pm Image
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Toulouse
Stormers
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Hard to disagree, although La Rochelle will need to up their game having nearly been turned over by Gloucester of all teams.
ROG will use that, performance, to beat the players for the next week, & give them the kick up the arse they need ..... which is a pity, because I'd hoped they'd sleepwalk into the next few games & get beaten as a result
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Love how the Sharks are written off. Underdog status
Great weather in store for the game
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SaintK wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:52 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:42 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 4:01 pm With only two French Quarter finalists compared to England’s three do we need to have a discussion about the crisis in the French game?
Depends how you define crisis.
- Your national side is the worst performing in the world relative to resources.
- You don't have a single player who would make a world 2nd XV best, let alone the 1st.
- Your Ux performances don't suggest much is coming through to alter that.
- 2 of your clubs have folded, one of them arguably your one with the best history in Europe.
- Serious questions over the long term viability of many of the others.
- Your 2nd tier offers nothing to replace them.
- Your attendances wouldn't trouble the 2nd division of football.
Yep
Twat, utter twat
Some excellent points there. You should bait Torq more often.
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Uncle fester wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:11 am
SaintK wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:52 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:42 pm
Depends how you define crisis.
- Your national side is the worst performing in the world relative to resources.
- You don't have a single player who would make a world 2nd XV best, let alone the 1st.
- Your Ux performances don't suggest much is coming through to alter that.
- 2 of your clubs have folded, one of them arguably your one with the best history in Europe.
- Serious questions over the long term viability of many of the others.
- Your 2nd tier offers nothing to replace them.
- Your attendances wouldn't trouble the 2nd division of football.
Yep
Twat, utter twat
Some excellent points there. You should bait Torq more often.
Don't disagree with a lot of them to be honest
Just think he posts like a complete one-eyed twat..............particularly in regard to referees
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Vast majority of refs are cheats tbf, myself included.

We certainly deserve abuse via our dad's memorial page.
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Uncle fester wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:50 am Vast majority of refs are cheats tbf, myself included.
Finally you admit it.

Annoyed I am unable to fly in for the AIL Final ...
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fishfoodie wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:10 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:47 pm Image
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I am not that confident about the Stormers. Will be a bonus if they beat Exeter Chiefs.

I am with Sards. Will be massive for SA Rugby if the $hark$ knock out Toulouse. its like a mini Bok vs France WC knockout game.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:58 am
fishfoodie wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:10 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:47 pm Image
Leinster
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Stormers
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I am not that confident about the Stormers. Will be a bonus if they beat Exeter Chiefs.

I am with Sards. Will be massive for SA Rugby if the $hark$ knock out Toulouse. its like a mini Bok vs France WC knockout game.
Yeah, Exeter stormers could be really tight
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Uncle fester wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:50 am Vast majority of refs are cheats tbf, myself included.

We certainly deserve abuse via our dad's memorial page.
Anyone who was involved in taking to that an an approach to express anger at Brace should be ashamed.

As an aside, I don't understand why anybody exposes himself to meejuh like Tw*tter, let alone anyone in a public profile. You know exactly what you are going to get and the higher the profile, the more the extremists and nutterss.

I didn't see most of the game but by all accounts the red was yet another dismal decision by Brace against a Fre team.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:58 am
fishfoodie wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:10 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:47 pm Image
Leinster
Toulouse
Stormers
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I am not that confident about the Stormers. Will be a bonus if they beat Exeter Chiefs.

I am with Sards. Will be massive for SA Rugby if the $hark$ knock out Toulouse. its like a mini Bok vs France WC knockout game.
Best thing it's 16 max , 8 minimum clear skies so it will beg for running rugby. Big ask to knock over Toulouse and then Leinster. Away. Stormers have a very easy route. It's about which side of the draw you were placed. Not about positioning
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Simian wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:01 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:58 am
fishfoodie wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:10 pm

Leinster
Toulouse
Stormers
LaR
I am not that confident about the Stormers. Will be a bonus if they beat Exeter Chiefs.

I am with Sards. Will be massive for SA Rugby if the $hark$ knock out Toulouse. its like a mini Bok vs France WC knockout game.
Yeah, Exeter stormers could be really tight
If the Stormers play their running game they should be fine. Once the kicking start I get pissed off. They have that tendency playing up north. Their defense have been excellent all year.

I watched the Exeter game yesterday. They show great character to pull it through in the end. Thats champion material.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:02 am
Uncle fester wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:50 am Vast majority of refs are cheats tbf, myself included.

We certainly deserve abuse via our dad's memorial page.
Anyone who was involved in taking to that an an approach to express anger at Brace should be ashamed.

As an aside, I don't understand why anybody exposes himself to meejuh like Tw*tter, let alone anyone in a public profile. You know exactly what you are going to get and the higher the profile, the more the extremists and nutterss.

I didn't see most of the game but by all accounts the red was yet another dismal decision by Brace against a Fre team.
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Simian wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:06 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:03 pm Anyone got a working stream for Stormers v Quins please?
https://www.vipbox.lc/stormers-vs-harlequins-4-live
Cheers for the persistent malware bro. Laptop is fucked today.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 9:02 am
Uncle fester wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:50 am Vast majority of refs are cheats tbf, myself included.

We certainly deserve abuse via our dad's memorial page.
Anyone who was involved in taking to that an an approach to express anger at Brace should be ashamed.

As an aside, I don't understand why anybody exposes himself to meejuh like Tw*tter, let alone anyone in a public profile. You know exactly what you are going to get and the higher the profile, the more the extremists and nutterss.

I didn't see most of the game but by all accounts the red was yet another dismal decision by Brace against a Fre team.
I thought it was a reasonable decision. Since the 'level of force/degree of danger' mitigations came in we've seen refs give a lot of yellows for incidents that really should have been reds and were reds 18 months ago. The problem for Brace here is other officials not wanting to issue reds rather than his being harsh.
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