Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Lobby]

Who are you ?

Classic avoidance tactics, Tarquin.

Bit low there Enoch.

I see Raab is playing the victim now on TV. Of course he knows that the people he bullied can't speak up beacuse they are still employed as civil servants.

Raab's pathetic claim that he was targeted by 'activist civil servants' seems to be following the Liz Truss KamiKwarzi playbook, and is specifically countered by the report into his bullying which states that the Ministry of Justice officials who submitted a joint complaint about Raab were “sincere and committed civil servants” who had “no ulterior agenda”.

[C69]

And in other news Barclay is taking the RCN to Court.
Fuck the RCN, they tried to negotiate a deal separately from the rest of the AFC Unions.
Now their buddy is fecking them over. Who would have ever thought it would go wrong...
You reap what you sow.

You sleep with dogs you get fleas.

[Biffer]

I think 'activist' in his usage means 'someone who understands a topic in explicit detail and is trying to explain why what I want to do won't work'.

Interesting to read Slick's insight, I've always viewed Raab as someone whose ambition esceeds his talents, and people who find themselves in positions where their talent is outmatched often resort to the more loud and aggressive behaviours, compensating by trying to copy people of genuine talent and intelligence who can actually find ways to get people on board with them to push new initiatives through. But they only copy the superficial and don't understand the way that the genuinely talented build support in the face of opposition, substituting shouting for leadership.

[Insane_Homer]

Stupid activists making him bully them, burn em!

[dpedin]

Raab really is behaving like a bullying Cnut now. Never liked him, not because he is called Dominic but because he has staring eyes! He always looks like a man who needed a shit 5 mins ago but has had to hold on as he doesnt want to go in case everyone starts talking about him. I see the Tories, apart from the usual nutters, are failing to form a square around him and he has been cast adrift by the majority of the party, never a good sign!

[Happyhooker]

Raab really is behaving like a bullying Cnut now. Never liked him, not because he is called Dominic but because he has staring eyes! He always looks like a man who needed a shit 5 mins ago but has had to hold on as he doesnt want to go in case everyone starts talking about him. I see the Tories, apart from the usual nutters, are failing to form a square around him and he has been cast adrift by the majority of the party, never a good sign!

The express still has his back

[tabascoboy]

Raab really is behaving like a bullying Cnut now. Never liked him, not because he is called Dominic but because he has staring eyes! He always looks like a man who needed a shit 5 mins ago but has had to hold on as he doesnt want to go in case everyone starts talking about him. I see the Tories, apart from the usual nutters, are failing to form a square around him and he has been cast adrift by the majority of the party, never a good sign!

The express still has his back

and The Mail of course!

The Daily Mail asks the question "Was this the day Britain became ungovernable?" and carries Mr Raab's comments that it was almost impossible for ministers to deliver for the British people.

[sockwithaticket]

Which likely translates to Ministers wanted to do lots of illegal and or deeply impractical things.

[C69]

Tbh I suspect getting things done in government is going to be challenging after Raab's rants.
I suspect the Tories will be secretly pissed off Raab's infantile warblings and lack of self awareness.

[Hal Jordan]

Tbh I suspect getting things done in government is going to be challenging after Raab's rants.
I suspect the Tories will be secretly pissed off Raab's infantile warblings and lack of self awareness.

They'll use it to channel investigative power over ministerial affairs into the hands of the Cabinet/PM so this won't happen again.

I see Braverman has been furiously flicking her bean over the sentences handed out to the Just Stop Oil protesters. No problem getting their case to Court...

[_Os_]

Classic avoidance tactics, Tarquin.

Bit low there Enoch.

I see Raab is playing the victim now on TV. Of course he knows that the people he bullied can't speak up beacuse they are still employed as civil servants.

Raab's pathetic claim that he was targeted by 'activist civil servants' seems to be following the Liz Truss KamiKwarzi playbook, and is specifically countered by the report into his bullying which states that the Ministry of Justice officials who submitted a joint complaint about Raab were “sincere and committed civil servants” who had “no ulterior agenda”.

The Tories are blaming their failure on the civil service. Cummings (another "Dom") was one of the ones that started the "Remainer Blob in Whitehall" stuff. It's a rehash of blaming the EU for everything the UK's elected government is responsible for. Raab has blamed "the blob" and Rees-Mogg was also blaming "the blob" this week. In the media Goodwin (another moron) is also blaming the blob, which it seems Gary Lineker is now part of. The blob starts looking like a many headed mythological creature, that includes the civil service/Guardian newspaper/Lineker/Corbyn/Labour/trade unions/remainers/woke/liberals/socialists/ECHR/climate change activists. It's culture wars garbage that somehow includes the people running the UK state within its definition of the enemy.

I expect the conversations went something like this:

Raab: I would like my cake and I would like to eat it too. I also want unicorns. Sunlit uplands also have to be squeezed in.
Civil Servant: That's not possible but this is. You can have your cake but not eat it. I can provide a horse. There's an upland but it's the UK so there's not much sun.
Raab: That's not what I asked for, do better.
CS: You can eat your cake after that it's gone. Here is a rhino. The project can happen in Gibraltar which is sunny but not an upland.
Raab: You are part of the Remainer Blob!
CS: I can come up with more options, but you're asking for impossible things.
Raab: FUCKING REMAINER BLOB CUNT!
CS: Ugh.
Raab: WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING IN GOVERNMENT BECAUSE OF THE BLOB.
CS: ...
Raab: I'M RESIGNING AND BECOMING A GB NEWS PRESENTER.

[Hal Jordan]

Stupid activists making him bully them, burn em!

They made him do this.

[fishfoodie]

It's not really news, as even right after the bumblecunt was diagnosed, it was immediately noted how he hadn't had his normal weekly meeting with the Queen, but imagine the sliding doors version where he had, the way he wanted !

On March 26, as a group of officials and aides waited to go into the prime minister’s study to brief him, they heard him hacking away behind the door, repeatedly, coughing and spluttering. “He’s got Covid, hasn’t he?” they murmured to each other nervously before he called them in. But they went into the airless room nevertheless. “Cleo [Watson] brought in some Lemsip for him, as if that was going to help. I thought vaguely this isn’t what we should have been doing. We all knew he was ill.”

The previous day he had been due to meet the Queen for their weekly audience, with Palace and No 10 officials going back and forth about whether the meeting could take place in person. Johnson was eager not to be restricted by the new laws or his apparent symptoms, to the dismay of Palace officials deeply concerned at the risk of exposing the elderly Queen to the virus.

After some convincing, both from the Palace and Cummings, the prime minister agreed to hold the conversation by phone. The content of a prime minister’s audience with the sovereign is sacred, with no advisers in attendance and no official record of the discussion. The sanctity of this one would be easier to keep than most: afterwards the Queen turned to an aide and commented that she couldn’t hear a word of what Johnson had said, he was coughing so much. Had the meeting gone ahead as planned, the head of government would probably have given the head of state the virus, a scandal not even Johnson could have downplayed.

It also sounds like all the taxpayer money to pay for sex \h\h\h, to pay for computer lessons was wasted.

He was entirely unsuited to remote working and isolation, his early illness frequently breaking into farce. His fumbling constantly disconnected his iPad from Zoom and he was clueless as to how he could rejoin the meeting, so a series of connected iPads were set up. Once he had broken the first, he could grab the second, then third, then fourth.

https://archive.is/1FzW9#selection-1035.0-1035.347

[dpedin]

That's all the fuckers gone but by god they have done some damage to the UK. A bunch of cunts every one of them!

[tabascoboy]

That's all the fuckers gone but by god they have done some damage to the UK. A bunch of cunts every one of them!

But, but but - surely all that's due to illegal immigrants, Corbyn, Remoaners, Lefty lawyers, mainstream media, lily-livered Civil Servants and wokey snowflakes.....

[C69]

A veritable blizzard of snowflakes

[Simian]

A veritable blizzard of snowflakes

I have a lot of sympathy for the Tory MPs. It must be really difficult to manage all these snowflakes. After all, no two are alike.

[tabascoboy]

In other news, Labour have withdrawn the whip from Diane Abbott

Diane Abbott has been suspended as a Labour MP pending an investigation into a letter she wrote about racism for the Observer, the party has said.

The politician said "many types of white people with points of difference" can experience prejudice, in a letter published on Sunday.

But they are not subject to racism "all their lives", she said.

She later tweeted to say she was withdrawing her remarks and apologised "for any anguish caused".

Labour said the comments were "deeply offensive and wrong".

The BBC has approached Ms Abbott for comment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... gn=KARANGA

[GogLais]

A veritable blizzard of snowflakes

I have a lot of sympathy for the Tory MPs. It must be really difficult to manage all these snowflakes. After all, no two are alike.

Indeed and they’re all six faced.

[SaintK]

In other news, Labour have withdrawn the whip from Diane Abbott

Diane Abbott has been suspended as a Labour MP pending an investigation into a letter she wrote about racism for the Observer, the party has said.

The politician said "many types of white people with points of difference" can experience prejudice, in a letter published on Sunday.

But they are not subject to racism "all their lives", she said.

She later tweeted to say she was withdrawing her remarks and apologised "for any anguish caused".

Labour said the comments were "deeply offensive and wrong".

The BBC has approached Ms Abbott for comment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... gn=KARANGA

Thick as two planks if she thinks "I sent the first draft by mistake" is any kind of excuse!!
Another Corbynista to be deselected before the next election. Playing right into Starmer's hands.

[Happyhooker]

In other news, Labour have withdrawn the whip from Diane Abbott

Diane Abbott has been suspended as a Labour MP pending an investigation into a letter she wrote about racism for the Observer, the party has said.

The politician said "many types of white people with points of difference" can experience prejudice, in a letter published on Sunday.

But they are not subject to racism "all their lives", she said.

She later tweeted to say she was withdrawing her remarks and apologised "for any anguish caused".

Labour said the comments were "deeply offensive and wrong".

The BBC has approached Ms Abbott for comment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... gn=KARANGA

Thick as two planks if she thinks "I sent the first draft by mistake" is any kind of excuse!!
Another Corbynista to be deselected before the next election. Playing right into Starmer's hands.

Please god. At least then i could vote labour with a clear conscience. It sticks in my craw to have to vote for her

[C69]

She seems to be a very troubled lady
She is not fit for public office.

[Biffer]

She seems to be a very troubled lady
She is not fit for public office.

Begs the question why she's not in the current government

[_Os_]

I predicted on this thread a year ago that the BoE would become a battleground, we're now about to see who wins that battle. I've seen a few populist/nationalist shit shows, the civil service always becomes a battleground too and that's when the real damage gets done.

The Tories attacking the UK state is becoming a constant theme. During the Brexit wars there were attacks on the judiciary and May's civil servant team (Robbins). When Cummings had some power it was "the remainer liberal Whitehall blob". During the Truss era it was "Treasury orthodoxy". Rees-Mogg and Raab are now criticising "the blob" (meaning the civil service).

In the Observer there's a letter from within the Tory leadership calling for a politicised civil service (basically claiming that Raab was correct, and unless ministers can select officials then bullying is certain to happen again):
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -officials

It's worth considering, politicising the civil service can go very fucking wrong. In SA all the experienced white civil servants were fired in the 1990s, this led to capacity issues (there weren't enough people with the skills to replace them). But that wasn't the end of it, the civil servants had a habit of telling the ANC that what they were asking was impossible. Vast amounts of civil service appointments then started being made through the ANC deployment committee, an opaque ANC internal process which deployed ANC cadres (card carrying ANC members) into any part of the civil service which had any power. This led to an entire civil service that "just follows orders" even if those orders were impossible. Then came the corruption.

There's real potential for "politicising the civil service" to cause massive damage. It's already the case that the ministers themselves in the UK are sometimes awful (as I've posted a lot of it has to do with a electoral system weighted for accountability and not proportional representation, but there's also a desire to have candidates whose visible appearance is representative of the population, which leads to a weakening of the entire system of candidate selections/MPs/and even PM). The plan is for these same people to select civil servants, the evidence from those who shouldn't be there at all (Truss, Patel, Braverman) and those that wouldn't have been there if there was anymore better (Raab), is they're going to pick people that "just follow orders". Wrong to think these selections won't be subjected to the same political scrutiny as MP candidate selections (are there too many white men?). Wrong to think once politicisation of the civil service is real, it cannot develop into a political party using an entire parallel process to internally select civil servants the same way they select MPs, before submitting that candidate into the official process as a rubber stamp exercise.

Moronic to make any change like this unless you're comfortable with your worst enemy having the same power. This is the sort of change you bring in if you're sure you'll be in power for the next 20 years. Good to know the Tories are happy with outright Labour control of the civil service.

[Line6 HXFX]

I remember hearing Tony Blair was ranting about "the fucking welsh" after the assembly elections.
Many many times apparently.
Mo Mowlam famously used to say the same thing..David Blunket too.

Guess you are only racist and have to suffer dismissal, for being a massive racist if you are on the left of the party.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... sh-2378149

This anti semitism stuff agjnst the left started in Europe. There was a massive push from the right to trump up, and accuse left wing politicians across Europe of this, and it was basically laughed out of the room.

I cannot believe that Corbyn was so fucking weak, he managed to fall to it.

Guess "the right" was in his own party.


https://socialistworker.org/2011/08/11/ ... i-semitism

[tabascoboy]

[dpedin]

Good god!

[Slick]

I don't know what is is for, but very unlikely to be for Sunak unless it's some kind of practice.

[Slick]

She seems to be a very troubled lady
She is not fit for public office.

She is very stupid and drinks a lot. Quite fun though.

[SaintK]

I don't know what is is for, but very unlikely to be for Sunak unless it's some kind of practice.

One of the police on a bike said "It's the Prime Minister"
Most of those running were blowing out of their arses, particularly the one that stopped running and ended up 100m behind!!

[shaggy]

I don't know what is is for, but very unlikely to be for Sunak unless it's some kind of practice.

It is the King. Same cars as used for the recent funeral.

Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

[tabascoboy]

I don't know what is is for, but very unlikely to be for Sunak unless it's some kind of practice.

It is the King. Same cars as used for the recent funeral.

Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

18 seconds on the video, female PC says "It's the Prime Minister". Guy shouting at everyone is a bit of a loon though by the sounds of it

[Slick]

I don't know what is is for, but very unlikely to be for Sunak unless it's some kind of practice.

One of the police on a bike said "It's the Prime Minister"
Most of those running were blowing out of their arses, particularly the one that stopped running and ended up 100m behind!!

Even if it was, it's not normal practice as was inferred.

[tabascoboy]

I don't know what is is for, but very unlikely to be for Sunak unless it's some kind of practice.

One of the police on a bike said "It's the Prime Minister"
Most of those running were blowing out of their arses, particularly the one that stopped running and ended up 100m behind!!

Even if it was, it's not normal practice as was inferred.

Practice for the coronation maybe then? Still seems absurdly OTT whether for Rishi or not.

[shaggy]

I don't know what is is for, but very unlikely to be for Sunak unless it's some kind of practice.

It is the King. Same cars as used for the recent funeral.

Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

18 seconds on the video, female PC says "It's the Prime Minister". Guy shouting at everyone is a bit of a loon though by the sounds of it

Ha ha. Watched it with sound off and was focusing on visual clues - vehicles and order was same as the one for HM funeral.

[C69]

She seems to be a very troubled lady
She is not fit for public office.

She is very stupid and drinks a lot. Quite fun though.

She is unhinged and should be nowhere near public office
Raab is the same.

[fishfoodie]

Good to see that the Home Office & Met are focused on the most dangerous class of criminals .... immigrants who are earning a few extra quid delivering food

The Home Office claimed there has been an increase in immigration offences by gig economy workers in London.

It said immigration officers carried out “extensive inelligence-gathering” ahead of the operation to identify “hotspots for illegal moped delivery drivers”.

Home Secretary Suella Braverman said: “Illegal working damages our communities, cheats honest workers out of employment and defrauds the public purse. As the Prime Minister has set out, we are committed to going further and faster to prevent the abuse of our laws and borders.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/ ... 76211.html

I'm sure the amounts of money involved are much larger than those lost by the tax fraud of the sacked chancellor, & the offenses are more serious, & deserving of the extra investigation hours than those of the numerous offenses of suspended Met officers, who remain on the payroll !!!

All of which pales to insignificance compared with the fraud by a certain Tory Lord, who still hasn't been charged, despite having defrauded the tax payer to the tune of millions.

[SaintK]

Please god. At least then i could vote labour with a clear conscience. It sticks in my craw to have to vote for her

Looks like she'll be a gonner. Submitted the letter twice and made no effort to alter it for 7 days and it was from her private e-mail account

The letter was identical each time it was sent, three hours apart, and the suspended Labour MP made no efforts to revise it in the seven days after it was sent.
The fact that it was sent from her own email address – not from one controlled by an aide – suggests that she was entirely in control of the process.
The first time the email was sent, the JC understands, Abbott received an automatic reply asking her to send it again but this time with the addition of a postal address. She did this, leaving the text of the letter unchanged.

[tabascoboy]

Please god. At least then i could vote labour with a clear conscience. It sticks in my craw to have to vote for her

Looks like she'll be a gonner. Submitted the letter twice and made no effort to alter it for 7 days and it was from her private e-mail account

The letter was identical each time it was sent, three hours apart, and the suspended Labour MP made no efforts to revise it in the seven days after it was sent.
The fact that it was sent from her own email address – not from one controlled by an aide – suggests that she was entirely in control of the process.
The first time the email was sent, the JC understands, Abbott received an automatic reply asking her to send it again but this time with the addition of a postal address. She did this, leaving the text of the letter unchanged.

I don't know if it's astonishing or not, that so many politicians seem to have no idea that almost everything they do on electronic systems leaves a trace with dates and times - and even if they delete stuff it's still held on a backup somewhere. At least this does help to catch idiots and liars in the net.

[_Os_]

The defenestration of Corbyn and now probably Abbott looks bad to me. Stalinist control freakery. I don't share their politics, but it's telling that Blair could tolerate both of them but Starmer cannot. Starmer's New Labour mk2 will be less tolerant of difference than New Labour mk1 was. People you disagree with can also be right sometimes, they were both right on apartheid and the Iraq invasion, when not all their fellow parliamentarians were.

It's similar to how Johnson/Cummings purged the Tories, and the outcome was worse governance. It's an example of how elements that are found in Proportional Representation systems are forcing their way into the UK's FPTP system, the political culture is changing but not the systems which that culture acts in, and the UK is ending up with the worst of both PR and FPTP. In a PR system the party bosses have a lot of power, because an MP's place is dependant on where they are on the party list, a party boss can strip an MP of their seat (this is why many PR systems opt for some seats to be constituency linked, and the remainder to be a top up from a list to make it proportional). When entire wings of a party are being purged like this by party bosses, and a party turned into something much narrower, it's exactly how parties in a PR system work. But it's not a PR system, so there's very little chance of forming a new party to represent those purged views which is able to get anywhere.

Both Corbyn and Abbott are examples of FPTP working as it should, whatever they are they have strong constituency support and haven't been parachuted in, they also speak their mind even if it's against the party. If they can be purged from a party and replaced by someone parachuted in, it ends up weakening the entire FPTP system. Obviously it's not the case local branches are selecting candidates of their choice, then those candidates are being elected as MPs and are directly accountable to their constituents first, and freely speak their mind as MPs (as they did when winning branch support). Instead party bosses have outsized control in candidate selection, parachuted candidates become MPs, they are then just yes men/women because they fear being purged.

Abbott is a minor historically important figure (in other words will be remembered long after most other MPs), the UK's first black female MP who has been in parliament for decades. One of the MPs that receives the most racist abuse on a weekly basis and death threats too. It's obvious that Starmer wants to get rid of her because she's the target of abuse from the tabloids, Starmer is determined to please the tabloids and give them nothing to attack. As for her view that in the UK whites experience less racism on an ongoing basis than those who aren't white, isn't that just empirically true (most people in the UK being white)? It looks like fake outrage to me.

It's in incidents like this you can start to work out how Starmer will attempt to govern. There'll be a large bloc in his party that hate him from the get go.