So, coronavirus...

[Ymx]

Keep diggin down into the conspiracy theory BS, you’ll be spouting antisemitism before you know it.

I’m definitely not a filthy Labour supporter*


* I do get what you are saying.
Right from your “clever” lefty playbook.
Not mask supporting = Nazi/fascist/bigot/far right.

Genuinely not what I'm saying.

Nearly every conspiracy theory, left or right wing, has an 'other' or 'them' who are controlling things and manipulating situations to meet their agenda. As you scrape away at the theory, it's pretty much always Finance->Bankers->Cartels->Zionism->Jews. You get drip fed it, they don't shout about Jews at the start, but eventually that's what you find. And by the time that's revealed, people have already bought into the theory and are committed, so one more false thing to believe doesn't find much resistance.

Either that or space lizards. But usually 'it's the Jews, innit'

So it wasn’t what you were alluding to, but it really was. Got it!

“ Nearly every conspiracy theory, left or right wing, has an 'other' or 'them' who are controlling things and manipulating situations to meet their agenda”

Christ, and now you sound like a deep state nutter yourself !!!

[Ymx]

Anyway guys, don’t worry you’re not alone. There are a few other freaks about.

[JM2K6]

I get the clumsy point you're trying to make, but that's a bit off Biffer. Probably best to save the antisemetic accusations/pre accusations for after a poster has actually done something to warrant it.

Explicitly pointing out that conspiracy theorists and gullible twats reliably end up like this isn't an accusation, it's a prediction (and a warning).

Bonus: YMX not understanding that "conspiracy theories usually involve an 'other' to point the finger at" is an uncontroversial and well-supported position as opposed to something a deep state nutter would spout is just fabulously appropriate

[Biffer]

I get the clumsy point you're trying to make, but that's a bit off Biffer. Probably best to save the antisemetic accusations/pre accusations for after a poster has actually done something to warrant it.

Well, nearly every conspiracy theory has antisemitism at its heart.

So if you're spouting conspiracy theories, you're talking about stuff that is intrinsically antisemitic, even if you don't realise it.

[Margin__Walker]

I get the clumsy point you're trying to make, but that's a bit off Biffer. Probably best to save the antisemetic accusations/pre accusations for after a poster has actually done something to warrant it.

Explicitly pointing out that conspiracy theorists and gullible twats reliably end up like this isn't an accusation, it's a prediction (and a warning).

Bonus: YMX not understanding that "conspiracy theories usually involve an 'other' to point the finger at" is an uncontroversial and well-supported position as opposed to something a deep state nutter would spout is just fabulously appropriate

Like I said, I fully get the point being made clumsily.

Jumping ahead though to a prediction of antisemitism in this case though is a shit look. Play the issue at hand.

[Margin__Walker]

I get the clumsy point you're trying to make, but that's a bit off Biffer. Probably best to save the antisemetic accusations/pre accusations for after a poster has actually done something to warrant it.

Well, nearly every conspiracy theory has antisemitism at its heart.

So if you're spouting conspiracy theories, you're talking about stuff that is intrinsically antisemitic, even if you don't realise it.

Call someone an antisemite when they've earned the label, not just when you feel they are on the path to it. Until then, you're not doing your argument any favours.

[Biffer]

I get the clumsy point you're trying to make, but that's a bit off Biffer. Probably best to save the antisemetic accusations/pre accusations for after a poster has actually done something to warrant it.

Well, nearly every conspiracy theory has antisemitism at its heart.

So if you're spouting conspiracy theories, you're talking about stuff that is intrinsically antisemitic, even if you don't realise it.

Call someone an antisemite when they've earned the label, not just when you feel they are on the path to it. Until then, you're not doing your argument any favours.

I didn't call him one. I said he'll start spouting it if he continues down the conspiracy theory route.

[Ymx]

Christ. One day you take off your mask, the next you’re working the gas chambers.

It sounds serious. How long have I got Dr Biff?

[Ymx]

I get the clumsy point you're trying to make, but that's a bit off Biffer. Probably best to save the antisemetic accusations/pre accusations for after a poster has actually done something to warrant it.

Explicitly pointing out that conspiracy theorists and gullible twats reliably end up like this isn't an accusation, it's a prediction (and a warning).

Bonus: YMX not understanding that "conspiracy theories usually involve an 'other' to point the finger at" is an uncontroversial and well-supported position as opposed to something a deep state nutter would spout is just fabulously appropriate

So I am a windowlicker and you are 'predicting' that YMX is an antisemite. YMX I warn you I have Jewish friends so this cabal of ours will be fraught with peril

You’re a bloody decent sort, but I knew there was something a bit wrong with you. Don’t worry I can fix you (or them). It’s not too late for you, you can go full Nazi too, ER !

[petej]

Christ. One day you take off your mask, the next you’re working the gas chambers.

It sounds serious. How long have I got Dr Biff?

A couple of posts have been a bit off recently on this thread and the tory one. Dpedin is definitely at the cautious end of the spectrum with regard to covid. Generally, hand washing and cleaning surfaces is recommended to stop bugs regardless of disease. Wearing a mask or preferably not mixing when obviously ill for me is also recommended (people who turned up to work coughing all over everything was a pet hate of mine pre-covid). Though I'm definitely at the stage where covid is just like any other cold or flu bug (as ive had it at least 3 times).

Twitter/social media amplifies extremes which is damaging to societal cohesion.

[Margin__Walker]

I didn't call him one. I said he'll start spouting it if he continues down the conspiracy theory route.

I admire your hubris, but why go there at all? What's it added to the discourse?

[I like neeps]

Genuinely can't believe people still argue about masks, we all wore one for a while. It sucked, we moved on and got on with life.

[Ymx]

Genuinely can't believe people still argue about masks, we all wore one for a while. It sucked, we moved on and got on with life.

It’s all my fault. Let me summarise

I said that there is still the odd freak wearing a mask (as a tease)

The be-kind crew then called me
A piece of shit
Bimbo-lite
Bambi
Bamboo
Thumper
Anti-Semite
And ER was called a window licker

In the background, I asked Asmo to change my user name to Bambi, but he didn’t.

Did I miss anything pertinent?

[Ymx]

Oh and MW hatefully called out Biffer on his logical reasoning. Like a rabid dog. Biffer will no doubt report it as far right hate speech.

And finally, it was established masks help those who can’t stop touching themselves. Dpedin agreed.

[Enzedder]

Covid spreads significantly through contaminated hands and surfaces in households, a new study suggests, as researchers warned too much focus has been given to airborne transmission.

How do the hands and surfaces become contaminated, if not via the mouth?

[Sandstorm]

Covid spreads significantly through contaminated hands and surfaces in households, a new study suggests, as researchers warned too much focus has been given to airborne transmission.

How do the hands and surfaces become contaminated, if not via the mouth?

It’s not because Covid spreads more on surfaces, it’s because people’s houses are dirty. They are cleaned much less often and less effectively than those in a dentist office.

Basically that new study is a load of shit.

[Jim Lahey]

I get the clumsy point you're trying to make, but that's a bit off Biffer. Probably best to save the antisemetic accusations/pre accusations for after a poster has actually done something to warrant it.

Well, nearly every conspiracy theory has antisemitism at its heart.

So if you're spouting conspiracy theories, you're talking about stuff that is intrinsically antisemitic, even if you don't realise it.

Bravo, that is the most retarded statement I've read in a good while.

[mat the expat]

Genuinely can't believe people still argue about masks, we all wore one for a while. It sucked, we moved on and got on with life.

It’s all my fault. Let me summarise

I said that there is still the odd freak wearing a mask (as a tease)

The be-kind crew then called me
A piece of shit
Bimbo-lite
Bambi
Bamboo
Thumper
Anti-Semite
And ER was called a window licker

In the background, I asked Asmo to change my user name to Bambi, but he didn’t.

Did I miss anything pertinent?

You're ability to handle the Jandal, evidently

[JM2K6]

I get the clumsy point you're trying to make, but that's a bit off Biffer. Probably best to save the antisemetic accusations/pre accusations for after a poster has actually done something to warrant it.

Explicitly pointing out that conspiracy theorists and gullible twats reliably end up like this isn't an accusation, it's a prediction (and a warning).

Bonus: YMX not understanding that "conspiracy theories usually involve an 'other' to point the finger at" is an uncontroversial and well-supported position as opposed to something a deep state nutter would spout is just fabulously appropriate

So I am a windowlicker and you are 'predicting' that YMX is an antisemite. YMX I warn you I have Jewish friends so this cabal of ours will be fraught with peril

A non windowlicker would've been able to tell the difference between me and Biffer for a start

[LoveOfTheGame]

Fascinating how certain topics trigger posters and bring out their inner stupid for all to see. Then I realise that for these guys it's an everyday part of life sort of thing and I'm just like...

[Line6 HXFX]

I still wear a mask when I can, on buses and what not.

Mrs works on wards with covid patients. She could give it me at any point and I could give it to you.

Least I have done everything I can.

Are masks Woke or summut?
I also love wearing all black with a black hoodie and black mask in super markets.
It is awesome being followed by security guards, and then following them, to see how they like it (they don't).

[dpedin]

Fascinating how certain topics trigger posters and bring out their inner stupid for all to see. Then I realise that for these guys it's an everyday part of life sort of thing and I'm just like...

Agreed! It's amazing how things kick off for no great reason. Some folk seem incapable of having a sensible discussion and when struggling to maintain their own position resort to ad hominem attacks and start spouting bile. I obviously live rent free in YMX's head and trigger some desperate responses from him, I dont know why but it doesnt bother me. However, like I did when my kids were toddlers, it is easier to just ignore their bad behaviour and not give them the response they crave. After their feet stomping and tears of frustration die down they get fed up of being ignored and go play with another toy.

On a more positive point it looks like we now have a vaccine against malaria which appears to be very effective and will save millions of lives! Looks like the University of Oxford has once again been at the forefront of this vaccine development.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65252511

[Ymx]

I don’t think anyone is being too serious on this thread.

Though I now worry about which cult Biffer has just joined.

[SaintK]

Good to see this thread going well!
Could be the one on PR about this subject without the real loons!

[JM2K6]

So I am a windowlicker and you are 'predicting' that YMX is an antisemite. YMX I warn you I have Jewish friends so this cabal of ours will be fraught with peril

A non windowlicker would've been able to tell the difference between me and Biffer for a start

How very right wing of you. Call me a windowlicker and then post that. I'd take the time to be confused only am not arsed.

Let me dumb it down for you: Biffer is the one who made the prediction, not me. I am merely a concerned onlooker, what with already having been through the mill of having a formerly pleasant England-based Kiwi ex-pat planetrugby poster disappear down the dirty plughole of conspiracy theories and apocalyptic nightmares

[Sandstorm]

[Ymx]

So I’ve gone from bimbo-lite to seneca-lite now.

I wonder where our old friend Seneca is these days.

[JM2K6]

Pre-Seneca, really. We're all just very concerned for you.

[Ymx]

Pre-Seneca, really. We're all just very concerned for you.

Thanks bud, I knew you were looking out for me with all the tough love over the years.

[dpedin]

This is a bit worrying along with the fall in MMR vaccination rates. We are falling below the levels required to ensure herd immunity for a number of nasty diseases. All those bampot anti-vaxxers during covid have driven an increase in vaccine hesitancy, they have a lot to answer for!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65372941

[Biffer]

This is a bit worrying along with the fall in MMR vaccination rates. We are falling below the levels required to ensure herd immunity for a number of nasty diseases. All those bampot anti-vaxxers during covid have driven an increase in vaccine hesitancy, they have a lot to answer for!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65372941

Fucking hell, not getting shots for diphtheria and polio is really serious.

What the fuck is wrong with this country?

[Dinsdale Piranha]

This is a bit worrying along with the fall in MMR vaccination rates. We are falling below the levels required to ensure herd immunity for a number of nasty diseases. All those bampot anti-vaxxers during covid have driven an increase in vaccine hesitancy, they have a lot to answer for!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65372941

FFS. It took 15 years for vaccination rates to recover from the damage done by Andrew Wakefield. Guess we are in for the same again.

[Slick]

I still wear a mask when I can, on buses and what not.

Mrs works on wards with covid patients. She could give it me at any point and I could give it to you.

Least I have done everything I can.

Are masks Woke or summut?
I also love wearing all black with a black hoodie and black mask in super markets.
It is awesome being followed by security guards, and then following them, to see how they like it (they don't).

[Guy Smiley]

I'm currently enjoying my first bout of Covid. Day 6 today and I'm starting to feel better but I'm still well down on strength. It knocked me for 6 but the weirdest effect was that it reactivated nerve damage I suffered 8 1/2 years ago when I fell onto rocks, cracked my skull and cut my face a bit. For most of the last week I haven't been able to feel my teeth or the lower left half of my face. Nasty, weird vindictive disease.

[fishfoodie]

This is a bit worrying along with the fall in MMR vaccination rates. We are falling below the levels required to ensure herd immunity for a number of nasty diseases. All those bampot anti-vaxxers during covid have driven an increase in vaccine hesitancy, they have a lot to answer for!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65372941

FFS. It took 15 years for vaccination rates to recover from the damage done by Andrew Wakefield. Guess we are in for the same again.

Well if you will give licenses to GBeebies, the & then do nothing as the Tories put gutless wonders in the supposed regulators .....

The UK doesn't have a 1st Amendment that grifters & loons can hide behind; the powers exist to shutdown these cunts, just look at RTL, but the Politicians have to want the rules enforced, & provide the support.

[Calculon]

There is no question it was serious for a period and knocked out a load of old vulnerable people. Did it warrant the response we got and was sustained? Nah

The world went fucking mental. Performative travel bans, wearing masks outside, not allowing kindergarteners to take of their masks, zero COVID weirdos, China going crazy and on the other side the anti vax nutters. Thank God it's mostly over.

[dpedin]

There is no question it was serious for a period and knocked out a load of old vulnerable people. Did it warrant the response we got and was sustained? Nah

The world went fucking mental. Performative travel bans, wearing masks outside, not allowing kindergarteners to take of their masks, zero COVID weirdos, China going crazy and on the other side the anti vax nutters. Thank God it's mostly over.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing! The reality in the early days of covid was no-one knew how bad it was or could be so a standard PH approach is to be safe rather than sorry and to try and limit community spread of the disease as early as possible and buy time to find out what it is we are dealing with. In the early days info was very limited on covid and what its IFR/CFR was. The WhatsApp exchange between the Blonde Bumbelcunt and his advisors in mid 2020, released as part of the Hancock story, highlighted this as well as his poor understanding of the numbers - see attached.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bo ... 92682.html

If the IFR/CFR was as they thought at the time, as Yates points out, we could have had 660,000 deaths in the UK. These were the figures the UK Gov were working with at the time and prior to any vaccination being available. On any measure this would have been disastrous for the UK, regardless of how old the folk dying. Apart from the elderly we also didn't know which groups were most threatened by covid. However PH measures and then the vaccine reduced this risk dramatically.

Was the response at the time the right one? Could we have done more/less/better? Definitely yes but we need to be pretty clear about this and not base it on individual prejudices. Hopefully a national review of the UK Gov response will highlight how we will react quicker/better/cheaper to the next pandemic ....and there will be a next one, and it might be more deadly.

[Enzedder]

There is no question it was serious for a period and knocked out a load of old vulnerable people. Did it warrant the response we got and was sustained? Nah

The world went fucking mental. Performative travel bans, wearing masks outside, not allowing kindergarteners to take of their masks, zero COVID weirdos, China going crazy and on the other side the anti vax nutters. Thank God it's mostly over.

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[dpedin]

That would work if only the people who led out on Irelands response, one of the strictest in Europe, hadn't since said elements were unnecessary.

Again hindsight is a wonderful thing and any proper review of what was done will flag up what went well and what didnt. As I said earlier decisions were made on what was known at the time and you cannot blame folk if in hindsight if 'elements' of their response were unnecessary. It would have been feckin difficult to be faced with an unknown virus pandemic and then sit down knowing little about how it was being transmitted and decide what 'elements' of the response were necessary and which were unnecessary, if you think the whole pop is at risk you throw the kitchen sink at it and buy time to work out what to do! Your comments suggests you only put your seat belt on and turn on the airbags before driving when you know you are going to have an accident?

[mat the expat]

That would work if only the people who led out on Irelands response, one of the strictest in Europe, hadn't since said elements were unnecessary.

Which was impossible to predict at the time.

FFS - you'd be one of those with Pitchforks demanding action if the situation was reversed.

So much knowledge - did you volunteer that to the experts at the time?