2022/23 Champions/Challenge Cup

[Torquemada 1420]

Jeez - do you ever stop the incessant one eyed whingeing about refs.

Nope every match a French team are playing in
Fucking tedious

He's by a good distance the biggest whingeing twat across either bored. Even worse than the Saffa loons. I don't thunk he actually watches the rugby, just the refs through his one good eye.

Fucking tedious is right.

More quality reffing for you to digest

[SaintK]

Totally agree, dreadful
Now fuck off with your whining

[Torquemada 1420]

Totally agree, dreadful
Now fuck off with your whining

And let's not forget the only reason Chiefs are here is because the one cheating ref Brace (the likes of Dickson and Adamson are just incompetent) fiddled them through with a decision that was so wrong, we saw the rarity of it being overturned.

[Tichtheid]

Anyone know if Danty will be back for the final?

[Tichtheid]

Will Skelton is large, 2.03m and 140kg.

There is a Scottish strongman, Tom Stoltman, he's 2.03m and 185kg.

I've often wondered if he can catch a rugby ball.

[Torquemada 1420]

@ JKM

Not a dig this: just pointing out this is what I said before that LaR really aren't the Fre equivalent of Exeter. LaR can play rugby too. They just don't do it often enough for anyone's liking.

[Tichtheid]

Good try from Exeter. Hogg did well

[Torquemada 1420]

Anyone know if Danty will be back for the final?

Unclear. He's been injury prone all his career. Not really got any consistent run of games all season. I can't see LaR hoodwinking Leinster again and without his presence, their chances are practically none from rank outsiders.

He and Villiere are absolutely essential to any chance Fra has at RWC too: both are perma sicknotes though.

[C69]

Will Skelton is large, 2.03m and 140kg.

There is a Scottish strongman, Tom Stoltman, he's 2.03m and 185kg.

I've often wondered if he can catch a rugby ball.

The issue will be aerobic capacity. I would suggest that there will be a paucity of slow twitch fibres.

[Tichtheid]

Will Skelton is large, 2.03m and 140kg.

There is a Scottish strongman, Tom Stoltman, he's 2.03m and 185kg.

I've often wondered if he can catch a rugby ball.

The issue will be aerobic capacity. I would suggest that there will be a paucity of slow twitch fibres.

Yeah, I wasn't being serious, that is not a playing weight in a sport where you're required to run, his knees and ankles would probably explode.

On the other hand, give him the ball and no one is going to take it off him.

He placed second at World's Strongest Man last week, having won it the two pervious years

[Tichtheid]

That (joining in front of the ball) happens in every game, I saw it yesterday

[SaintK]

Hope LaR and Leinster both bring their attacking game to the final
Could be a cracker

[laurent]

That (joining in front of the ball) happens in every game, I saw it yesterday

Just did not want la Rochelle to go to the 50's.

Frankly no one blows that.

[Blackmac]

Will Skelton is large, 2.03m and 140kg.

There is a Scottish strongman, Tom Stoltman, he's 2.03m and 185kg.

I've often wondered if he can catch a rugby ball.

The issue will be aerobic capacity. I would suggest that there will be a paucity of slow twitch fibres.

Yeah, I wasn't being serious, that is not a playing weight in a sport where you're required to run, his knees and ankles would probably explode.

On the other hand, give him the ball and no one is going to take it off him.

He placed second at World's Strongest Man last week, having won it the two pervious years

He was actually a goalie in Soccer Aid last year and was surprisingly good.

[Biffer]

The issue will be aerobic capacity. I would suggest that there will be a paucity of slow twitch fibres.

Yeah, I wasn't being serious, that is not a playing weight in a sport where you're required to run, his knees and ankles would probably explode.

On the other hand, give him the ball and no one is going to take it off him.

He placed second at World's Strongest Man last week, having won it the two pervious years

He was actually a goalie in Soccer Aid last year and was surprisingly good.

He's also got a younger brother who does the strongman competitions as well. Same size, won Europe's strongestan, been 5th in the World competition.

[paddyor]

As usual, French tv trying their best to avoid showing correct replay

After RTE's efforts yesterday, I think Fre TV gets a by for the next decade.

Tv crew is the competition organizer so I. This case BT afaik. And again the TMO has his own feed. Barnes thought it was a try ffs. He never asked about the grounding until later and the fucking the try was disallowed. Wtf are you on about.

[paddyor]

Nope every match a French team are playing in
Fucking tedious

He's by a good distance the biggest whingeing twat across either bored. Even worse than the Saffa loons. I don't thunk he actually watches the rugby, just the refs through his one good eye.

Fucking tedious is right.

More quality reffing for you to digest

That’s not a yellow.

[Tichtheid]

Yeah, I wasn't being serious, that is not a playing weight in a sport where you're required to run, his knees and ankles would probably explode.

On the other hand, give him the ball and no one is going to take it off him.

He placed second at World's Strongest Man last week, having won it the two pervious years

He was actually a goalie in Soccer Aid last year and was surprisingly good.

He's also got a younger brother who does the strongman competitions as well. Same size, won Europe's strongestan, been 5th in the World competition.

Luke, he’s actually the older brother, he’s tiny, 1.93m and
160kg

They are the only brothers to qualify for World’s Strongest Man

[Tichtheid]

From World Rugby

9 Foul play
Principle

A player who commits foul play must either be cautioned or temporarily suspended or sent off.

Dangerous play

9.18 A player must not lift an opponent off the ground and drop or drive that player so that their head and/or upper body make contact with the ground.

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/9

[ASMO]

More quality reffing for you to digest

That’s not a yellow.

I couldn't believe that was what people were shiteing on about when I watched the match. They should be ashamed of themselves. The purport to be rugby men and they start embarrassing themselves talking about conspiracies with real rage like Slick; over that. Slick even went so far as to damn the Irish nations soul and very being. Slick would have you believe we are a cruel people, a hateful people. All because of that. I blame moderates like C69 feeding it all

It is clearly illegal and what consitutes foul play under the current laws which state "A player must not lift an opponent off the ground and drop or drive that player so that their head and/or upper body make contact with the ground. " so yes, yellow card all the way.

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[OomStruisbaai]

Jeez - do you ever stop the incessant one eyed whingeing about refs.

Nope every match a French team are playing in
Fucking tedious

He's by a good distance the biggest whingeing twat across either bored. Even worse than the Saffa loons. I don't thunk he actually watches the rugby, just the refs through his one good eye.

Fucking tedious is right.

Leave the Saffas out of this. There are a lot of posters like that. You need to take them out during matches.

[CM11]

From World Rugby

9 Foul play
Principle

A player who commits foul play must either be cautioned or temporarily suspended or sent off.

Dangerous play

9.18 A player must not lift an opponent off the ground and drop or drive that player so that their head and/or upper body make contact with the ground.

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/9

And?

[Tichtheid]

From World Rugby

9 Foul play
Principle

A player who commits foul play must either be cautioned or temporarily suspended or sent off.

Dangerous play

9.18 A player must not lift an opponent off the ground and drop or drive that player so that their head and/or upper body make contact with the ground.

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/9

And?

and, did the tackler (Porter) lift the opponent off the ground?

Did the tackler then drop or drive the player so that their head and/or upper body made contact with the ground?



I think you guys would have a stronger case if you just said, "Aye we got away with one there, it happens"


I don't think Porter will be cited as Mallia(?) landed on his back as opposed to his head/neck, so for me it's yellow rather than red.

[CM11]

You have given what is foul play and mentioned three outcomes for the player. That's what the 'and' was for. One of those outcomes was irrelevant and the most likely determination of the TMO.

[Tichtheid]

You have given what is foul play and mentioned three outcomes for the player. That's what the 'and' was for. One of those outcomes was irrelevant and the most likely determination of the TMO.

Which do you think was the most likely outcome from the TMO?

Personally I think Porter got lucky in that there was a try scored.

[CM11]

You have given what is foul play and mentioned three outcomes for the player. That's what the 'and' was for. One of those outcomes was irrelevant and the most likely determination of the TMO.

Which do you think was the most likely outcome from the TMO?

Personally I think Porter got lucky in that there was a try scored.

I think the TMO probably viewed it as penalty only and given try was scored, no need to bring it to Barnes attention.

[Tichtheid]

You have given what is foul play and mentioned three outcomes for the player. That's what the 'and' was for. One of those outcomes was irrelevant and the most likely determination of the TMO.

Which do you think was the most likely outcome from the TMO?

Personally I think Porter got lucky in that there was a try scored.

I think the TMO probably viewed it as penalty only and given try was scored, no need to bring it to Barnes attention.

as far as I'm aware the commentary team know if the TMO checks something or not, Ben Kay said in comms (I've just checked) that the tMO hadn't looked at it. Barnes does say something about a high tackle and does the hand to shoulder gesture after the try has been scored.


Given that it's easy enough to play the tweeted footage from a few posts back, in your opinion, not the TMO's, do you think it was penalty only?

[PornDog]

From World Rugby

9 Foul play
Principle

A player who commits foul play must either be cautioned or temporarily suspended or sent off.

Dangerous play

9.18 A player must not lift an opponent off the ground and drop or drive that player so that their head and/or upper body make contact with the ground.

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/9

And?

and, did the tackler (Porter) lift the opponent off the ground?

Did the tackler then drop or drive the player so that their head and/or upper body made contact with the ground?



I think you guys would have a stronger case if you just said, "Aye we got away with one there, it happens"


I don't think Porter will be cited as Mallia(?) landed on his back as opposed to his head/neck, so for me it's yellow rather than red.

There are plenty of us guys who do think that


Having said that, I can see the argument that the hips never went above shoulder height, and he went down flat on his back, therefore it was a penalty only offence. I still think he's a very lucky boy if that is the determination by the officials though. YC all day for my money, you can't be doing things like that.

[CM11]

Which do you think was the most likely outcome from the TMO?

Personally I think Porter got lucky in that there was a try scored.

I think the TMO probably viewed it as penalty only and given try was scored, no need to bring it to Barnes attention.

as far as I'm aware the commentary team know if the TMO checks something or not, Ben Kay said in comms (I've just checked) that the tMO hadn't looked at it. Barnes does say something about a high tackle and does the hand to shoulder gesture after the try has been scored.


Given that it's easy enough to play the tweeted footage from a few posts back, in your opinion, not the TMO's, do you think it was penalty only?

Yes. I've seen that given as penalty only before.

[Tichtheid]

I think the TMO probably viewed it as penalty only and given try was scored, no need to bring it to Barnes attention.

as far as I'm aware the commentary team know if the TMO checks something or not, Ben Kay said in comms (I've just checked) that the tMO hadn't looked at it. Barnes does say something about a high tackle and does the hand to shoulder gesture after the try has been scored.


Given that it's easy enough to play the tweeted footage from a few posts back, in your opinion, not the TMO's, do you think it was penalty only?

Yes. I've seen that given as penalty only before.

I'm not really asking how it's been given before. I'm asking if you think the footage of Porter there is really penalty only.

The way I see it is that Porter picks him up, the winger's legs are at almost a 90 degree angle, so clearly above horizontal. That much cannot be argued with.

There is guidance that a tackler should lower the player safely to the floor, I don't see that happening in the footage. This is where interpretation comes in, to me Porter dumps the winger with some considerable force into the ground, I've played the tweet multiple times now and I can't see it any other way. In fact the more I watch it the worse it looks, it was very lucky that he only landed on his back and that wasn't because of any care Porter put into the landing.

It was extremely dangerous.

[CM11]

OK, I'll try again.

Yes.

Pause.

I've seen that given as just a penalty before.

I was backing up my personal opinion with precedent.

[Tichtheid]

OK, I'll try again.

Yes.

Pause.

I've seen that given as just a penalty before.

I was backing up my personal opinion with precedent.

Not really, you claimed a tackle very similar to that has been judged as a penalty only, that's not using precedent. If you quote the incidents then they can be checked.

Is there anything in the way I described that tackle that is factually wrong? I used a couple of subjective terms, such as considerable force and my view that it was extremely dangerous.


btw, the Irish Independent see it this way

Leinster were lucky to have a full complement when they went in as Andrew Porter tipped Malia in a tackle

and in the player ratings

(Porter) was very lucky to get away with a tackle off the ball shortly after.

[robmatic]

I'm not really asking how it's been given before. I'm asking if you think the footage of Porter there is really penalty only.

The way I see it is that Porter picks him up, the winger's legs are at almost a 90 degree angle, so clearly above horizontal. That much cannot be argued with.

There is guidance that a tackler should lower the player safely to the floor, I don't see that happening in the footage. This is where interpretation comes in, to me Porter dumps the winger with some considerable force into the ground, I've played the tweet multiple times now and I can't see it any other way. In fact the more I watch it the worse it looks, it was very lucky that he only landed on his back and that wasn't because of any care Porter put into the landing.

It was extremely dangerous.

Surely it's the position of the torso that is relevant when you are determining whether the winger is lifted beyond the horizontal. I think in this case it's not tremendously clear cut because the winger curls up and then lands on his back i.e. he is definitely horizontal when he hits the ground.

[CM11]

OK, I'll try again.

Yes.

Pause.

I've seen that given as just a penalty before.

I was backing up my personal opinion with precedent.

Not really, you claimed a tackle very similar to that has been judged as a penalty only, that's not using precedent. If you quote the incidents then they can be checked.

Is there anything in the way I described that tackle that is factually wrong? I used a couple of subjective terms, such as considerable force and my view that it was extremely dangerous.


btw, the Irish Independent see it this way

Leinster were lucky to have a full complement when they went in as Andrew Porter tipped Malia in a tackle

and in the player ratings

(Porter) was very lucky to get away with a tackle off the ball shortly after.

I wouldn't be arguing the toss if a yellow had been given. It's just bleating though at this stage. I generally favour 15 v 15 and when incidents are completely inconsequential (outcome not serious, no advantage gained), I'm not going to spend days arguing about it.

I presume TMO checked (TMO doesn't have to have a ref referral to check), deemed it a pen and moved on with his life.

[OomStruisbaai]

Fuck know you lot are ref bevok. When Rassie made a Barnes video you all shite your pants. The game is over and the good guys won.

[laurent]

'Extremely dangerous'. Would you fucking get off the stage.

stop being an idiot.

[Tichtheid]

I'm not really asking how it's been given before. I'm asking if you think the footage of Porter there is really penalty only.

The way I see it is that Porter picks him up, the winger's legs are at almost a 90 degree angle, so clearly above horizontal. That much cannot be argued with.

There is guidance that a tackler should lower the player safely to the floor, I don't see that happening in the footage. This is where interpretation comes in, to me Porter dumps the winger with some considerable force into the ground, I've played the tweet multiple times now and I can't see it any other way. In fact the more I watch it the worse it looks, it was very lucky that he only landed on his back and that wasn't because of any care Porter put into the landing.

It was extremely dangerous.

Surely it's the position of the torso that is relevant when you are determining whether the winger is lifted beyond the horizontal. I think in this case it's not tremendously clear cut because the winger curls up and then lands on his back i.e. he is definitely horizontal when he hits the ground.

The referees and TMOs always talk about legs going above the horizontal, not the torso

[Tichtheid]

OK, I'll try again.

Yes.

Pause.

I've seen that given as just a penalty before.

I was backing up my personal opinion with precedent.

Not really, you claimed a tackle very similar to that has been judged as a penalty only, that's not using precedent. If you quote the incidents then they can be checked.

Is there anything in the way I described that tackle that is factually wrong? I used a couple of subjective terms, such as considerable force and my view that it was extremely dangerous.


btw, the Irish Independent see it this way

Leinster were lucky to have a full complement when they went in as Andrew Porter tipped Malia in a tackle

and in the player ratings

(Porter) was very lucky to get away with a tackle off the ball shortly after.

I wouldn't be arguing the toss if a yellow had been given. It's just bleating though at this stage. I generally favour 15 v 15 and when incidents are completely inconsequential (outcome not serious, no advantage gained), I'm not going to spend days arguing about it.

I presume TMO checked (TMO doesn't have to have a ref referral to check), deemed it a pen and moved on with his life.

and yet here you are.

Like I said before, if you’d said “yeah he got lucky there” that would have been the end of it.

[paddyor]

Which do you think was the most likely outcome from the TMO?

Personally I think Porter got lucky in that there was a try scored.

I think the TMO probably viewed it as penalty only and given try was scored, no need to bring it to Barnes attention.

as far as I'm aware the commentary team know if the TMO checks something or not, Ben Kay said in comms (I've just checked) that the tMO hadn't looked at it. Barnes does say something about a high tackle and does the hand to shoulder gesture after the try has been scored.


Given that it's easy enough to play the tweeted footage from a few posts back, in your opinion, not the TMO's, do you think it was penalty only?

It happened in front of Barnes and he called adavantage almost straight away.

[Torquemada 1420]

As usual, French tv trying their best to avoid showing correct replay

After RTE's efforts yesterday, I think Fre TV gets a by for the next decade.

Tv crew is the competition organizer so I. This case BT afaik. And again the TMO has his own feed. Barnes thought it was a try ffs. He never asked about the grounding until later and the fucking the try was disallowed. Wtf are you on about.

Wrong incidents. The feed I had said RTE but your point is probably valid i.e. TMO has own feed so all the bluster about Fre broadcasters not showing replays should be irrelevant.