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EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:17 pm Is there no argument that she was a shit queen that oversaw a decaying Britain and did nothing arrest that. She also oversaw absolutely shambolic behaviour from her kids and despite the evidence did fuck all to stop it. History shouldn't be too kind to her really
"But she was just a kindly little old lady" say the defenders.

Bollocks.
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..................doesn't take much to hate most current serving Tories at the moment!
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She's probably just annoyed at having heard her husband mumble 'Oh Carol' in his sleep or something.

If anyone truly believes Vorderman is a leader of public opinion, rather than a reflector of it, then I'd imagine they need help tying their shoes.
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So the managed decline of the NHS continues.
No funding for retention of staff and no plan to address renumeration issues.
I see that the BMA has now passed a no confidence release on the GMC.
Satisfaction with the NHS at a new low.
The Kings Fund report on funding is spot on and shows how austerity deliberately targeted the NHS.

If I could afford to I would retire now.
I figure 6 years max but wil be dropping a day next year hopefully.
It's always been a shit employer but now it's appalling.
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SaintK wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 12:20 pm ..................doesn't take much to hate most current serving Tories at the moment!
The ‘how very dare you hold us accountable for doing a shit job’ energy from this govt is wild
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What is abundantly clear is that the Tories have given up, they know they are going to get reamed in the next election so they just dont give a shit anymore what anyone thinks of them, they are going to just make hay in the time they have left in office.

This announcement that they are going to pay all civil servants below SCS grade a 1 off £1500.00 payment is only half the story, what they failed to say was there is no additional funding for it, all depts will have to find the money from internal savings...for many depts (including my own) this has created a significant crisis, we are having to stop some quite important projects, and will also have to cut some staff to pay it, they wrote the cheque with our money, but want to take all the credit for it.
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How many more years does the NHS have left, in its current form?

An utter shitshow. I've been waiting 3 years for an op on my shoulder (no sign of getting a date yet), which unfortunately got wrecked before I signed up for private healthcare.
Ian Madigan for Ireland.
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Jim Lahey wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 6:33 am How many more years does the NHS have left, in its current form?

An utter shitshow. I've been waiting 3 years for an op on my shoulder (no sign of getting a date yet), which unfortunately got wrecked before I signed up for private healthcare.
I feel your pain but changing how it's funded isn't going to change how it works unless everyone decides they are willing to pay lots more money to bring it up to the same staffing and equipment levels as comparable healthcare systems. Even with lots more cash I am not entirely sure where all the doctors and nurses etc will suddenly appear from - 9 years to train a medical graduate to become a orthopaedic surgeon! It will take about 10-15 years to get the NHS back to where it was on 2010.

Recent Kings Fund research has shown that funding models are not the key determinant of how good a health system is. https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publicatio ... -countries. Indeed the funding of healthcare via central taxation is seen as a very cost effective model for funding healthcare. Please don't mix up the funding model debate with the deliberate chronic underfunding of the NHS by the Tories over the last 13 years, the UK still gets a bigger bang for its buck than most other countries, its just that we dont have enough bucks invested.

However until we have comparable numbers of doctors, nurses, beds, imaging equipment, etc in the UK then we will always have waiting times - they are the consequence of under funding and how too much demand for available supply is 'managed'. https://www.health.org.uk/chart/chart-h ... pital-beds

If folk think that changing the NHS funding model will produce better results then they are sadly deluded unless they are happy to pay lots more for healthcare and grow the numbers of doctors, nurses, etc and increase numbers of beds, ICU beds, theatre capacity, imaging capacity, etc. Those that do have lots of money have probably decided to get private healthcare whilst trying desperately hard to reduce the amount of tax they pay and will fight the proposal to tax share dividends as earnings!
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8 week suspension for sex pest Pincher. Another of Johnson's gifts to the nation.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:17 am 8 week suspension for sex pest Pincher. Another of Johnson's gifts to the nation.
another kangaroo court?
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sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:12 pm She's probably just annoyed at having heard her husband mumble 'Oh Carol' in his sleep or something.

If anyone truly believes Vorderman is a leader of public opinion, rather than a reflector of it, then I'd imagine they need help tying their shoes.
Voderman's in atomic mutton territory, but I still would l (he says, Adonis that he is).
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The Government has lost its ridiculous challenge to the Covid Inquiry and will now have to release unredacted Whatsapp messages. No doubt the Daily Heil will be referring to the High Court as 'public enemies' again.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... id-inquiry
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Lobby wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:52 pm The Government has lost its ridiculous challenge to the Covid Inquiry and will now have to release unredacted Whatsapp messages. No doubt the Daily Heil will be referring to the High Court as 'public enemies' again.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... id-inquiry
It's just delaying tactics. Keep the progress stymied and slow when moving until you're safely out of it and it has no impact on your election prospects.
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Lobby wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:52 pm The Government has lost its ridiculous challenge to the Covid Inquiry and will now have to release unredacted Whatsapp messages. No doubt the Daily Heil will be referring to the High Court as 'public enemies' again.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... id-inquiry
... I wonder how many more un-investigated criminal events, will be contained in these messages ?
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fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:16 pm
Lobby wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:52 pm The Government has lost its ridiculous challenge to the Covid Inquiry and will now have to release unredacted Whatsapp messages. No doubt the Daily Heil will be referring to the High Court as 'public enemies' again.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... id-inquiry
... I wonder how many more un-investigated criminal events, will be contained in these messages ?
A fecking lot.
It's going to be a fecking glorious roller coaster.
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C69 wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:35 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:16 pm
Lobby wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:52 pm The Government has lost its ridiculous challenge to the Covid Inquiry and will now have to release unredacted Whatsapp messages. No doubt the Daily Heil will be referring to the High Court as 'public enemies' again.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... id-inquiry
... I wonder how many more un-investigated criminal events, will be contained in these messages ?
A fecking lot.
It's going to be a fecking glorious roller coaster.
So probably a 6 th by election on the cards

Lol self emoliation again
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C69 wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:44 pm
C69 wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:35 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:16 pm

... I wonder how many more un-investigated criminal events, will be contained in these messages ?
A fecking lot.
It's going to be a fecking glorious roller coaster.
So probably a 6 th by election on the cards

Lol self emoliation again
We're rapidly approaching the point where the Tories are better off calling an Autumn GE, & losing ~20-30 less seats, than staying the full term & getting obliterated.

If the head boy goes into Conference season after losing a half dozen seats, he might not come out the far side.
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Have dates been announced for all of these by-elections? Are they going to have one night of huge embarrassment and defeat, or a drip drip drip where they get fucked one seat at a time?
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:05 pm Have dates been announced for all of these by-elections? Are they going to have one night of huge embarrassment and defeat, or a drip drip drip where they get fucked one seat at a time?
The definite three are on the 20th of July. Mad Nad didn't get a seat in the Lords, so probably not going now, and Pincher is subject to a recall petition.
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fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:17 pm
C69 wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:44 pm
C69 wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:35 pm
A fecking lot.
It's going to be a fecking glorious roller coaster.
So probably a 6 th by election on the cards

Lol self emoliation again
We're rapidly approaching the point where the Tories are better off calling an Autumn GE, & losing ~20-30 less seats, than staying the full term & getting obliterated.

If the head boy goes into Conference season after losing a half dozen seats, he might not come out the far side.
I agree - I suspect we might see a quick snap election the Autumn. The by elections will not be favourable to the Tories, it will become clear the Head Boy will not have a hope in hell of hitting his 5 pledges, there will be mass public sector strikes if he ignores the Pay Review Bodies recommendations and more shit will emerge about Partygate, Covid, PPE, the impact of rising mortgage rates will hit home and house market likely to hit in Autumn with many left with negative equity or losing homes, many water companies might just go bust given huge mountains of debt and rising interest rates, etc.They have hit the buffers big style and all the shit from the last 13 years is coming home to roost. The only problem is timing, he will be waiting for some good news to come along to hitch his wagon to but I cant really see anything good happening for him. They are toast, its just a matter of how burnt they will be.
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dpedin wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:42 am
fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:17 pm
C69 wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:44 pm
So probably a 6 th by election on the cards

Lol self emoliation again
We're rapidly approaching the point where the Tories are better off calling an Autumn GE, & losing ~20-30 less seats, than staying the full term & getting obliterated.

If the head boy goes into Conference season after losing a half dozen seats, he might not come out the far side.
I agree - I suspect we might see a quick snap election the Autumn. The by elections will not be favourable to the Tories, it will become clear the Head Boy will not have a hope in hell of hitting his 5 pledges, there will be mass public sector strikes if he ignores the Pay Review Bodies recommendations and more shit will emerge about Partygate, Covid, PPE, the impact of rising mortgage rates will hit home and house market likely to hit in Autumn with many left with negative equity or losing homes, many water companies might just go bust given huge mountains of debt and rising interest rates, etc.They have hit the buffers big style and all the shit from the last 13 years is coming home to roost. The only problem is timing, he will be waiting for some good news to come along to hitch his wagon to but I cant really see anything good happening for him. They are toast, its just a matter of how burnt they will be.
The only thing I can think of there is if Russia should decide to call it quits in Ukraine and retreat back behind their borders including Crimea, it's one area of policy they have at least been consistent about in supplying weapons, ordinance, training and support. An associated or merely coincidental fall in energy and fuel prices and more cynically war refugees from UA being able to return and they'd be singing that loud and clear from every rooftop.
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Anyone else reading the George Osborne email over lunch?

In a completely unrelated point, remember when Osborne supported voting rights for 16 year olds, to help them stand up and be heard?
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I'm less interested in his creepy bedtime habits than his utterly cruel austerity programme which inflicted untold damage on a lot of people. Cunt.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:50 am I'm less interested in his creepy bedtime habits than his utterly cruel austerity programme which inflicted untold damage on a lot of people. Cunt.
The original "hiding in a fridge" guy. When confronted by disabled protestors that had suffered the full weight of austerity, he first hid in a portacabin, then instructed construction workers to dig a large hole he could hide in. Which he did.

It's all linked. The extreme avoidance of taking any responsibility for anything. The moral corruption. The strange pointlessly cruel policies that achieve very little, don't just pop out of the ground from nowhere. Then comes the shamelessness when it all blows up. Then comes the blatant outright theft.

In an unrelated point, Osborne's best man profited from the privatisation of Royal Mail making millions (due to being over subscribed it was difficult for an ordinary person to be allotted more than £750 of shares, meaning even if such an ordinary person wanted to they couldn't make much from the privatisation), I'm completely sure it's all just coincidence this happened whilst Osborne was chancellor. Anyone saying otherwise would be smearing his good name.
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Clear blue on blue carnage.
The email is vicious and nasty.


Osborne gets exactly what he deserves.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:50 am I'm less interested in his creepy bedtime habits than his utterly cruel austerity programme which inflicted untold damage on a lot of people. Cunt.
There's an accusation of rape in there so it's a bit beyond creepy
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JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:07 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:50 am I'm less interested in his creepy bedtime habits than his utterly cruel austerity programme which inflicted untold damage on a lot of people. Cunt.
There's an accusation of rape in there so it's a bit beyond creepy
Hadn't picked that up, I thought it was "she's legal but WTAF are you doing?" territory.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:27 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:07 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:50 am I'm less interested in his creepy bedtime habits than his utterly cruel austerity programme which inflicted untold damage on a lot of people. Cunt.
There's an accusation of rape in there so it's a bit beyond creepy
Hadn't picked that up, I thought it was "she's legal but WTAF are you doing?" territory.
Barely conscious etc

There's a very unhinged tone to all of it so as much as I am willing to believe it's true, I would also take it all with a pinch of salt for now
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C69 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:03 pm Clear blue on blue carnage.
The email is vicious and nasty.


Osborne gets exactly what he deserves.
Fuck me!! I've just found it and read it. It's astonishingly vicious and nasty
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Someone has been saving all this up for a while.
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SaintK wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:00 pm
C69 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 1:03 pm Clear blue on blue carnage.
The email is vicious and nasty.


Osborne gets exactly what he deserves.
Fuck me!! I've just found it and read it. It's astonishingly vicious and nasty
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Someone has been saving all this up for a while.
It is designed to not just damage him but ruin his marriage, his financial stability, his familial relationships and to essentially destroy his life.
This is someone close very close.


Fuck him, I will willingly watch him burn.
This is going to be the Tories tearing themselves apart.
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its here...allegedly

https://pastebin.com/3DRZpzDP
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ASMO wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:28 pm its here...allegedly

https://pastebin.com/3DRZpzDP
That's the one.
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EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:58 pm God that is pathetic. After reading that I hope he continues to have fulfilling affairs on into his old age
.........though not with drunk 16 year olds?
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EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:24 pm
SaintK wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:10 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:58 pm God that is pathetic. After reading that I hope he continues to have fulfilling affairs on into his old age
.........though not with drunk 16 year olds?
Sounds like a load of bollox. Ticking through all the sexual transgressions 'And after he had sex with the drunk person in the toilet he had sex with the 16 year old and then, as Thea well knows, he rode a labradoodle called Mitzy'
I need to re read that email. 🤔
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EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:24 pm
SaintK wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:10 pm
EnergiseR2 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:58 pm God that is pathetic. After reading that I hope he continues to have fulfilling affairs on into his old age
.........though not with drunk 16 year olds?
Sounds like a load of bollox. Ticking through all the sexual transgressions 'And after he had sex with the drunk person in the toilet he had sex with the 16 year old and then, as Thea well knows, he rode a labradoodle called Mitzy'
Meanwhile Thea is working her way thru the Guards battalions, with the grand finale involving the a threesome with the mascots from the Welsh & Irish Guards
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Murals of Mickey Mouse and other cartoon characters designed to welcome child asylum seekers to a reception centre in Dover have been painted over, by order of the immigration minister.

Robert Jenrick instructed that they be removed, reportedly because he believed they sent too welcoming a message.

The Home Office said the Kent Intake Unit (KIU) opened last November to look after unaccompanied child migrants.
Fuck me, really?
“Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”
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Insane_Homer wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 8:59 am
Murals of Mickey Mouse and other cartoon characters designed to welcome child asylum seekers to a reception centre in Dover have been painted over, by order of the immigration minister.

Robert Jenrick instructed that they be removed, reportedly because he believed they sent too welcoming a message.

The Home Office said the Kent Intake Unit (KIU) opened last November to look after unaccompanied child migrants.
Fuck me, really?
What a petty minded cunt of a human being Jenrick is. The perfect foil to the witch who is Home Secretary
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C69 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:44 pm
ASMO wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2023 3:28 pm its here...allegedly

https://pastebin.com/3DRZpzDP
That's the one.
Sounds like it wasn't the first one according to the papers. Evidently Osborne knows who it is and the police are involved.
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Insane_Homer wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2023 8:59 am
Murals of Mickey Mouse and other cartoon characters designed to welcome child asylum seekers to a reception centre in Dover have been painted over, by order of the immigration minister.

Robert Jenrick instructed that they be removed, reportedly because he believed they sent too welcoming a message.

The Home Office said the Kent Intake Unit (KIU) opened last November to look after unaccompanied child migrants.
Fuck me, really?
Part of me thinks this cant be true - surely no one, not even a cunt of the Tory Minister, would think 'lets make the already traumatised kids just off a dangerous journey with no parents feel even worse and unwelcome' once they come into the Reception Centre. Surely no one could be this feckin heartless, soulless and a big a twat as this? Surely it is a made up story?

However it does seem to be true having been reported in the national press and no denial from No10. If it is true then this one little act of petty minded shitiness alone is enough to get rid of these miserable feckers and never, ever let them darken the doors of Parliament again. I personally would happily be first in the queue to give the miserable cunt 'Three Homes' Jenrick a good kicking, and I am not a violent person.
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There is still 25% of the voters saying they will vote Tory.

I wonder what would make that 25% decide that the line has been crossed?
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