Stop voting for fucking Tories

[SaintK]

Looks like the GB News backer, Fund Manager and avid Brextieer Sir Paul Marshal had shorted Nat West and has made millions out of the collapse in their share price. GB News of course employs Nigel 'Frog Faced' Farage. Also interestingly and I wonder why the UK Gov, who owns 38% of Nat West following previous bail outs were so keen to press the Nat West board and Chairman to see a relatively successful CEO be bounced out of her job so quickly and as a result see the value of their holding fall so much? Also wonder why they did this given the message it sends out to investors in major companies in the UK where the UK Gov takes it upon itself to force a private company's hand in getting their CEO to resign. It all smells a little whiffy to me!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... et%20price.

Non paywall version
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2 ... 2520price

[tabascoboy]

Looks like the GB News backer, Fund Manager and avid Brextieer Sir Paul Marshal had shorted Nat West and has made millions out of the collapse in their share price. GB News of course employs Nigel 'Frog Faced' Farage. Also interestingly and I wonder why the UK Gov, who owns 38% of Nat West following previous bail outs were so keen to press the Nat West board and Chairman to see a relatively successful CEO be bounced out of her job so quickly and as a result see the value of their holding fall so much? Also wonder why they did this given the message it sends out to investors in major companies in the UK where the UK Gov takes it upon itself to force a private company's hand in getting their CEO to resign. It all smells a little whiffy to me!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... et%20price.

Betting on failure, gotta love capitalism - like there's no chance of shenanigans there...

[tabascoboy]

And another day, another High Court ruling of unlawful actions from Braverman's Home Office. And she was Attorney General FFS

[I like neeps]

Looks like the GB News backer, Fund Manager and avid Brextieer Sir Paul Marshal had shorted Nat West and has made millions out of the collapse in their share price. GB News of course employs Nigel 'Frog Faced' Farage. Also interestingly and I wonder why the UK Gov, who owns 38% of Nat West following previous bail outs were so keen to press the Nat West board and Chairman to see a relatively successful CEO be bounced out of her job so quickly and as a result see the value of their holding fall so much? Also wonder why they did this given the message it sends out to investors in major companies in the UK where the UK Gov takes it upon itself to force a private company's hand in getting their CEO to resign. It all smells a little whiffy to me!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... et%20price.

It could be some big conspiracy but regardless she had to go. Bank CEOs can't be briefing journalists on client accounts. That's rule number 1.

[Hal Jordan]

Looks like the GB News backer, Fund Manager and avid Brextieer Sir Paul Marshal had shorted Nat West and has made millions out of the collapse in their share price. GB News of course employs Nigel 'Frog Faced' Farage. Also interestingly and I wonder why the UK Gov, who owns 38% of Nat West following previous bail outs were so keen to press the Nat West board and Chairman to see a relatively successful CEO be bounced out of her job so quickly and as a result see the value of their holding fall so much? Also wonder why they did this given the message it sends out to investors in major companies in the UK where the UK Gov takes it upon itself to force a private company's hand in getting their CEO to resign. It all smells a little whiffy to me!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... et%20price.

It could be some big conspiracy but regardless she had to go. Bank CEOs can't be briefing journalists on client accounts. That's rule number 1.

One shorting incident off the back of Farage being plastered all over the media is, perhaps, coincidence. But it happened previously against the pound when he said Remain had won shortly before the referendum result was announced.

[SaintK]

Mid Bedfordshire Tories have had enough
Still drawing her salary amd maxing her expenses of course.

[I like neeps]

Mid Bedfordshire Tories have had enough
Still drawing her salary amd maxing her expenses of course.

And employing both her daughters as assistants on a cool 50k each.

[Hal Jordan]

Meanwhile, the Home Office's policy of Cruelty is The Policy is yet again ruled unlawful as the High Court decides that the routine use of hotels for unaccompanied asylum-seeking children contravenes the purpose of doing so in emergencies, and for very short periods of time.

[SaintK]

[Hal Jordan]

And, as sure as night follows day after Tory councils pissed away money losing over ULEZ in the Court, Sunak has jumped aboard the latest bandwagon to show he has any idea what an ordinary person's life is like and ordered a DOT review of LTNs.

Culture wars, wilful cruelty and wedge issues to scrabble for any fringe vote on the table. That's all they have left, there's certainly absolutely no evidence of competent running of the country.

Oh, and HS2 has been given an absolute pasting by the Infrastructure and Projects Authority (Government authority), deeming bits of it "unachievable" and other bits in serious danger of losing the paddle as they slowly make their way up one of our many delightfully clean waterways.

[Slick]

And, as sure as night follows day after Tory councils pissed away money losing over ULEZ in the Court, Sunak has jumped aboard the latest bandwagon to show he has any idea what an ordinary person's life is like and ordered a DOT review of LTNs.

Culture wars, wilful cruelty and wedge issues to scrabble for any fringe vote on the table. That's all they have left, there's certainly absolutely no evidence of competent running of the country.

Oh, and HS2 has been given an absolute pasting by the Infrastructure and Projects Authority (Government authority), deeming bits of it "unachievable" and other bits in serious danger of losing the paddle as they slowly make their way up one of our many delightfully clean waterways.

I saw Frost also saying something along the lines of Uxbridge showing the power of a single issue and if they want to win they need to respond to that.

It’s all about having the power, not doing anything good with the power, just having it. Cunts.

[lemonhead]

Ignorance is strength, and all that.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... l-britain/

[Random1]

And, as sure as night follows day after Tory councils pissed away money losing over ULEZ in the Court, Sunak has jumped aboard the latest bandwagon to show he has any idea what an ordinary person's life is like and ordered a DOT review of LTNs.

Culture wars, wilful cruelty and wedge issues to scrabble for any fringe vote on the table. That's all they have left, there's certainly absolutely no evidence of competent running of the country.

Oh, and HS2 has been given an absolute pasting by the Infrastructure and Projects Authority (Government authority), deeming bits of it "unachievable" and other bits in serious danger of losing the paddle as they slowly make their way up one of our many delightfully clean waterways.

I saw Frost also saying something along the lines of Uxbridge showing the power of a single issue and if they want to win they need to respond to that.

It’s all about having the power, not doing anything good with the power, just having it. Cunts.

Democracy in action.

[Slick]

And, as sure as night follows day after Tory councils pissed away money losing over ULEZ in the Court, Sunak has jumped aboard the latest bandwagon to show he has any idea what an ordinary person's life is like and ordered a DOT review of LTNs.

Culture wars, wilful cruelty and wedge issues to scrabble for any fringe vote on the table. That's all they have left, there's certainly absolutely no evidence of competent running of the country.

Oh, and HS2 has been given an absolute pasting by the Infrastructure and Projects Authority (Government authority), deeming bits of it "unachievable" and other bits in serious danger of losing the paddle as they slowly make their way up one of our many delightfully clean waterways.

I saw Frost also saying something along the lines of Uxbridge showing the power of a single issue and if they want to win they need to respond to that.

It’s all about having the power, not doing anything good with the power, just having it. Cunts.

Democracy in action.

Well yes, but I’m sure there used to be more of an inclination to use that power for the good of the nation and instigate long term plans. Maybe that’s just rose tinted, just seems far more short termism than before

[petej]

I saw Frost also saying something along the lines of Uxbridge showing the power of a single issue and if they want to win they need to respond to that.

It’s all about having the power, not doing anything good with the power, just having it. Cunts.

Democracy in action.

Well yes, but I’m sure there used to be more of an inclination to use that power for the good of the nation and instigate long term plans. Maybe that’s just rose tinted, just seems far more short termism than before

I wonder how many think they would be affected by ULEZ so voted against Labour when they wouldn't be.

[shaggy]

Democracy in action.

Well yes, but I’m sure there used to be more of an inclination to use that power for the good of the nation and instigate long term plans. Maybe that’s just rose tinted, just seems far more short termism than before

I wonder how many think they would be affected by ULEZ so voted against Labour when they wouldn't be.

There has been endless coverage of what ULEZ is, direct mail to all affected and coverage in all forms of media since announcement of the expansion 9 months ago. I would say the number who think they are affected but are actually not is almost zero.

However, my own experience is that a significant number of the elderly are impacted but were somehow unaware, is pretty much the opposite.

[Hal Jordan]

10,000 student voters were also not around for the Uxbridge vote as it's vacations, I suspect most of the small.number of them who could be arsed to vote wouldn't have voted Tory.

[shaggy]

10,000 student voters were also not around for the Uxbridge vote as it's vacations, I suspect most of the small.number of them who could be arsed to vote wouldn't have voted Tory.

I guess we will never know.

What we do know is that a) ULEZ is a highly divisive subject that for some people will be costly, and b) the benefits in air quality will take some time to be understood.

It is also a topic that may change voting intentions.

[Uncle fester]

And, as sure as night follows day after Tory councils pissed away money losing over ULEZ in the Court, Sunak has jumped aboard the latest bandwagon to show he has any idea what an ordinary person's life is like and ordered a DOT review of LTNs.

Culture wars, wilful cruelty and wedge issues to scrabble for any fringe vote on the table. That's all they have left, there's certainly absolutely no evidence of competent running of the country.

Oh, and HS2 has been given an absolute pasting by the Infrastructure and Projects Authority (Government authority), deeming bits of it "unachievable" and other bits in serious danger of losing the paddle as they slowly make their way up one of our many delightfully clean waterways.

I saw Frost also saying something along the lines of Uxbridge showing the power of a single issue and if they want to win they need to respond to that.

It’s all about having the power, not doing anything good with the power, just having it. Cunts.

I maintain that populism is even more dangerous than idealogy.

[Biffer]

10,000 student voters were also not around for the Uxbridge vote as it's vacations, I suspect most of the small.number of them who could be arsed to vote wouldn't have voted Tory.

I guess we will never know.

What we do know is that a) ULEZ is a highly divisive subject that for some people will be costly, and b) the benefits in air quality will take some time to be understood.

It is also a topic that may change voting intentions.

We also know it was initiated by Boris Johnson and Grant Shapps made the tfl funding deal conditional on ULEZ being implemented.

[Random1]

I saw Frost also saying something along the lines of Uxbridge showing the power of a single issue and if they want to win they need to respond to that.

It’s all about having the power, not doing anything good with the power, just having it. Cunts.

Democracy in action.

Well yes, but I’m sure there used to be more of an inclination to use that power for the good of the nation and instigate long term plans. Maybe that’s just rose tinted, just seems far more short termism than before

There’s plenty of long term planning - the tentacles of ESG are present across government departments. The re-organisation of society around the concept of ’subjective well-being’ has been long planned and is now endemic. One of the reasons everything feels more reactive these days is that ‘lived experience’ is now seen as something that can sway policy. It leads to an almost anti-scientific, reactive approach to many things across government.

Im afraid it’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.

[shaggy]

10,000 student voters were also not around for the Uxbridge vote as it's vacations, I suspect most of the small.number of them who could be arsed to vote wouldn't have voted Tory.

I guess we will never know.

What we do know is that a) ULEZ is a highly divisive subject that for some people will be costly, and b) the benefits in air quality will take some time to be understood.

It is also a topic that may change voting intentions.

We also know it was initiated by Boris Johnson and Grant Shapps made the tfl funding deal conditional on ULEZ being implemented.

Covered this before. The deal between government and the London Mayor is not explicit, you can read into it what you want from both directions, but for me the most definitive fact that it is not clearly an explicit condition is that Khan has not ever stated he had been told to do it by the government. And as someone who lives in London and hears Khan blaming the government for everything on an almost daily basis his total lack of stating this is forced upon him is very telling.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

I just don't see Sadiq Khan could reasonably make the case the Tories want people to breathe cleaner air, one might as well try to argue Boris isn't a liar.

[Insane_Homer]

It's was specially Shapps who made it a condition of the post COVID bailout that Boris' ULEZ be expanded

https://t.co/KOwjrAFQbS

[shaggy]

It's was specially Shapps who made it a condition of the post COVID bailout that Boris' ULEZ be expanded

https://t.co/KOwjrAFQbS

As above, you can read those conditions in different ways. If it was clear cut why has this not ever been mentioned by Khan, someone who loves blaming someone else for his decisions.

[Hal Jordan]

So, Sunak's first Big Green Announcement is confirming tons of oil and gas licenses, and another transfer of public money to the private sector in the form of millions to be wasted on the greenwash poster child, Carbon Capture.

TEnvironmental issues are just something that happens to other people for him.

[Insane_Homer]

+20mph is too high, let's kill more kids and then...

Hi, I'm Sunak and "I'm on the side of motorists".
No I won't lower the tax on fuel,
No I won't reduce VAT on fuel or car insurance,
No I won't touch road fund licence charge,
No I won't subsidise EV's or charging points,
but I can assure you I'm on the side of motorists.

Martin Geissler - How will you be getting up to Aberdeen to make this green announcement... private jet?

Rishi Sunak - "I'll be flying as I normally would... as every Prime Minister before me has used planes to travel around the UK... "

[sturginho]

They never gave Gladstone so much shit for travelling around in a private jet

[salanya]

It's really baffling how any politician in 2023 can think that curbing of steering away from green policies is the way to go.

Climate change is very costly to the country, not promoting green policies is bad for the country's reputation, and the vast majority of voters want more action against climate change.

Anyone going into politics with the intention to do good would want to tackle climate change, wherever you may lay the balance between government, business and individual responsibility.

[petej]

So, Sunak's first Big Green Announcement is confirming tons of oil and gas licenses, and another transfer of public money to the private sector in the form of millions to be wasted on the greenwash poster child, Carbon Capture.

TEnvironmental issues are just something that happens to other people for him.

It really is just about lining donor pockets at this point.

[sockwithaticket]

At the very fucking least let's stop giving the fossil fuel industry subsidies while it makes profit out the wazoo.

"Green's too expensive" compared to subsidised fossil fuels where no calculation is made for the increasing impact of climate change, perhaps.

[dpedin]

It's really baffling how any politician in 2023 can think that curbing of steering away from green policies is the way to go.

Climate change is very costly to the country, not promoting green policies is bad for the country's reputation, and the vast majority of voters want more action against climate change.

Anyone going into politics with the intention to do good would want to tackle climate change, wherever you may lay the balance between government, business and individual responsibility.

I have to agree - primary role of any Gov, regardless of colour, is to protect the population from harm. I suspect this current lot have forgot this?

The science is now pretty conclusive (it has been for some time) about global warming and climate change and what the likely outcomes are going to be, the speed and specifics are still unclear but if anything it looks like things are accelerating not slowing down. The recent stats about hottest day/month/year on record, fires burning across the Med and North America, flooding in Italy, etc is pretty scary. What any decent Gov should be doing is being clear about the scale and urgency of the problem and try to get some sort of cross party alliance and agreement, as we have had for wars and pandemics, around those actions that are just non-negotiable and get on with them asap. However I suspect our current Gov is either full of climate change deniers or is being held hostage by them, funded by dark oil money. Also there is now zero trust in the bunch of wankers that currently make up the cabinet even within their own party let alone the opposition so I cant see anyone willing to work alongside them. I am sure that many of the Tory bastards, sorry MPs, still believe Cameron was right with his "Green Crap' approach and even if they had seen the light, and the numerous scientific research papers, they couldn't possibly admit they were wrong and the woke, tofu eating, Guardian reading, socialist 'Stop the Oil' protestors were right all along. They will just dig the trenches deeper for the woke war to come ... dont look up!

[inactionman]

It's really baffling how any politician in 2023 can think that curbing of steering away from green policies is the way to go.

Climate change is very costly to the country, not promoting green policies is bad for the country's reputation, and the vast majority of voters want more action against climate change.

Anyone going into politics with the intention to do good would want to tackle climate change, wherever you may lay the balance between government, business and individual responsibility.

I have to agree - primary role of any Gov, regardless of colour, is to protect the population from harm. I suspect this current lot have forgot this?

The science is now pretty conclusive (it has been for some time) about global warming and climate change and what the likely outcomes are going to be, the speed and specifics are still unclear but if anything it looks like things are accelerating not slowing down. The recent stats about hottest day/month/year on record, fires burning across the Med and North America, flooding in Italy, etc is pretty scary. What any decent Gov should be doing is being clear about the scale and urgency of the problem and try to get some sort of cross party alliance and agreement, as we have had for wars and pandemics, around those actions that are just non-negotiable and get on with them asap. However I suspect our current Gov is either full of climate change deniers or is being held hostage by them, funded by dark oil money. Also there is now zero trust in the bunch of wankers that currently make up the cabinet even within their own party let alone the opposition so I cant see anyone willing to work alongside them. I am sure that many of the Tory bastards, sorry MPs, still believe Cameron was right with his "Green Crap' approach and even if they had seen the light, and the numerous scientific research papers, they couldn't possibly admit they were wrong and the woke, tofu eating, Guardian reading, socialist 'Stop the Oil' protestors were right all along. They will just dig the trenches deeper for the woke war to come ... dont look up!

I think there's a few other factors at work, a key one being the mindset of 'why should we do this when it's China/India etc etc currently making most of the mess'

Even in this flawed context, a forward-thinking person might have concluded that being a global incubator for green technology would be a Very Good Thing.

[Biffer]

Sunak's very brief interview on Radio Scotland this morning was tetchy and condescending to say the least.

[SaintK]

+20mph is too high, let's kill more kids and then...

Hi, I'm Sunak and "I'm on the side of motorists".
No I won't lower the tax on fuel,
No I won't reduce VAT on fuel or car insurance,
No I won't touch road fund licence charge,
No I won't subsidise EV's or charging points,
but I can assure you I'm on the side of motorists.

Martin Geissler - How will you be getting up to Aberdeen to make this green announcement... private jet?

Rishi Sunak - "I'll be flying as I normally would... as every Prime Minister before me has used planes to travel around the UK... "

He really is thin skinned when it comes to his travel arrangements I'm sure no one begrudges his use of a plane to get to Aberdeen from London.
At least it wasn't the helicopter provided by one the Tory party donors that he has at his beck and call for journeys of more than an hour outside London!!!

[C T]

It's really baffling how any politician in 2023 can think that curbing of steering away from green policies is the way to go.

Climate change is very costly to the country, not promoting green policies is bad for the country's reputation, and the vast majority of voters want more action against climate change.

Anyone going into politics with the intention to do good would want to tackle climate change, wherever you may lay the balance between government, business and individual responsibility.

I have to agree - primary role of any Gov, regardless of colour, is to protect the population from harm. I suspect this current lot have forgot this?

The science is now pretty conclusive (it has been for some time) about global warming and climate change and what the likely outcomes are going to be, the speed and specifics are still unclear but if anything it looks like things are accelerating not slowing down. The recent stats about hottest day/month/year on record, fires burning across the Med and North America, flooding in Italy, etc is pretty scary. What any decent Gov should be doing is being clear about the scale and urgency of the problem and try to get some sort of cross party alliance and agreement, as we have had for wars and pandemics, around those actions that are just non-negotiable and get on with them asap. However I suspect our current Gov is either full of climate change deniers or is being held hostage by them, funded by dark oil money. Also there is now zero trust in the bunch of wankers that currently make up the cabinet even within their own party let alone the opposition so I cant see anyone willing to work alongside them. I am sure that many of the Tory bastards, sorry MPs, still believe Cameron was right with his "Green Crap' approach and even if they had seen the light, and the numerous scientific research papers, they couldn't possibly admit they were wrong and the woke, tofu eating, Guardian reading, socialist 'Stop the Oil' protestors were right all along. They will just dig the trenches deeper for the woke war to come ... dont look up!

I think there's a few other factors at work, a key one being the mindset of 'why should we do this when it's China/India etc etc currently making most of the mess'

Even in this flawed context, a forward-thinking person might have concluded that being a global incubator for green technology would be a Very Good Thing.

I'd like to see the stats that tend to be shown on carbon emissions by country at least have alongside it the consumer country as well as the producer country.

Gut feel suggests that if we looked by consumer rather that producer that it would tell a different picture.

[dpedin]

It's really baffling how any politician in 2023 can think that curbing of steering away from green policies is the way to go.

Climate change is very costly to the country, not promoting green policies is bad for the country's reputation, and the vast majority of voters want more action against climate change.

Anyone going into politics with the intention to do good would want to tackle climate change, wherever you may lay the balance between government, business and individual responsibility.

I have to agree - primary role of any Gov, regardless of colour, is to protect the population from harm. I suspect this current lot have forgot this?

The science is now pretty conclusive (it has been for some time) about global warming and climate change and what the likely outcomes are going to be, the speed and specifics are still unclear but if anything it looks like things are accelerating not slowing down. The recent stats about hottest day/month/year on record, fires burning across the Med and North America, flooding in Italy, etc is pretty scary. What any decent Gov should be doing is being clear about the scale and urgency of the problem and try to get some sort of cross party alliance and agreement, as we have had for wars and pandemics, around those actions that are just non-negotiable and get on with them asap. However I suspect our current Gov is either full of climate change deniers or is being held hostage by them, funded by dark oil money. Also there is now zero trust in the bunch of wankers that currently make up the cabinet even within their own party let alone the opposition so I cant see anyone willing to work alongside them. I am sure that many of the Tory bastards, sorry MPs, still believe Cameron was right with his "Green Crap' approach and even if they had seen the light, and the numerous scientific research papers, they couldn't possibly admit they were wrong and the woke, tofu eating, Guardian reading, socialist 'Stop the Oil' protestors were right all along. They will just dig the trenches deeper for the woke war to come ... dont look up!

I think there's a few other factors at work, a key one being the mindset of 'why should we do this when it's China/India etc etc currently making most of the mess'

Even in this flawed context, a forward-thinking person might have concluded that being a global incubator for green technology would be a Very Good Thing.

Agreed! For a country proud of its history in driving the Industrial Revolution and being leaders in inventions and innovations we seem ideally placed scientifically and geographically to lead again in green technologies and hitting net zero asap then selling our technology around the world. I thought post Brexit we were going to be global leaders? Seems like we aren't at the top table influencing the big boys?

[dpedin]

I have to agree - primary role of any Gov, regardless of colour, is to protect the population from harm. I suspect this current lot have forgot this?

The science is now pretty conclusive (it has been for some time) about global warming and climate change and what the likely outcomes are going to be, the speed and specifics are still unclear but if anything it looks like things are accelerating not slowing down. The recent stats about hottest day/month/year on record, fires burning across the Med and North America, flooding in Italy, etc is pretty scary. What any decent Gov should be doing is being clear about the scale and urgency of the problem and try to get some sort of cross party alliance and agreement, as we have had for wars and pandemics, around those actions that are just non-negotiable and get on with them asap. However I suspect our current Gov is either full of climate change deniers or is being held hostage by them, funded by dark oil money. Also there is now zero trust in the bunch of wankers that currently make up the cabinet even within their own party let alone the opposition so I cant see anyone willing to work alongside them. I am sure that many of the Tory bastards, sorry MPs, still believe Cameron was right with his "Green Crap' approach and even if they had seen the light, and the numerous scientific research papers, they couldn't possibly admit they were wrong and the woke, tofu eating, Guardian reading, socialist 'Stop the Oil' protestors were right all along. They will just dig the trenches deeper for the woke war to come ... dont look up!

I think there's a few other factors at work, a key one being the mindset of 'why should we do this when it's China/India etc etc currently making most of the mess'

Even in this flawed context, a forward-thinking person might have concluded that being a global incubator for green technology would be a Very Good Thing.

I'd like to see the stats that tend to be shown on carbon emissions by country at least have alongside it the consumer country as well as the producer country.

Gut feel suggests that if we looked by consumer rather that producer that it would tell a different picture.

Agreed also need to see carbon emissions per capita in each country. Also be interesting to see Sunaks carbon footprint - heating private swimming pools cant be that green?

[Biffer]

I think there's a few other factors at work, a key one being the mindset of 'why should we do this when it's China/India etc etc currently making most of the mess'

Even in this flawed context, a forward-thinking person might have concluded that being a global incubator for green technology would be a Very Good Thing.

I'd like to see the stats that tend to be shown on carbon emissions by country at least have alongside it the consumer country as well as the producer country.

Gut feel suggests that if we looked by consumer rather that producer that it would tell a different picture.

Agreed also need to see carbon emissions per capita in each country. Also be interesting to see Sunaks carbon footprint - heating private swimming pools cant be that green?

Also need to see figures that are based on per capita consumption, not production. i.e. the figure needs to be based on the carbon produced by the products and services you use, to avoid offshoring your carbon emissions.

[sockwithaticket]

Sunak's very brief interview on Radio Scotland this morning was tetchy and condescending to say the least.

That's the default for all these fucks when the person interviewing does anything other than brown nose or throw softballs. They're so used to getting their own way that when challenged, however mildly, they can't stand it.