So, coronavirus...

[David in Gwent]

Gawd I used to be soo fucking angry at the anti maskers, anti vaxers. My Mrs worked on covid wards right at the beginning of the outbreak (and throughout) when there was no proper PPE. I was worried sick and wanted her to quit (many nurses did). I used to tell her, her life isn't worth fifty of her patients.
In she went, she had a duty to her patients, her profession, her collegues and would without even fucking blinking, risk her life for that.

I don't care if you wear a mask or take a vaccine, be all James Dean and outside of society..with your libertarian bullshit....but you shouldn't go into hospital when it takes you, and risk nurses lives. You made the decision to fuck yourself (and others), and you should live with it.

I followed all of the rules, I wore masks when it was required.

If your wife was vaccinated, why should she worry about someone unvaccinated?

Your question probably highlights your lack of understanding.

I always wondered who the target audience was for all the QAnon, conspiracy theory shit. Who the hell listened to GBNews and believed what they heard or the Daily Heil and believed what was written? I couldn't understand how anyone, even Americans, could believe any of Trumps shite and honestly think he is the man for me. and would lead them out of the pandemic. How anyone believed they shouldn't wear masks when in the middle of an aerosol spread virus yet would kick off if the surgeon doing their operation didnt wear a mask and gloves. David in Gwent has opened my eyes!

I don't get why any of that is relevant to what I posted?

[SaintK]

Fucking hell is he in here too?

This is starting to look like a deliberate attempt to take this place down to the level of the other place.

[mat the expat]

Fucking hell is he in here too?

This is starting to look like a deliberate attempt to take this place down to the level of the other place.

Who is it?

[Line6 HXFX]

The problem with masks and vaccines are no one can really prove how successful they are. When things that are implemented to solve a problem work, vile bad actor twats can always say the problem wasn't as bad as all that, or indeed wasn't even a problem.
Take the millennium bug, like 300 thousand it workers were employed to fix it, they knew where it was in the software, they fixed it....it was fixed. Yet vile, bad actor twats still, to this day use that as an example of something that was blown out of all proportion..because disaster was avoided. So even when what you implement to solve a problem works, there is still lots and lots of red meat for the resent'tarded.

[Guy Smiley]

Fucking hell is he in here too?

This is starting to look like a deliberate attempt to take this place down to the level of the other place.

Who is it?

Our man in 'Wales', DAC.

[mat the expat]

We need a new Emoji

[David in Gwent]

We need a new Emoji

You do, I actually thought that was some kind of crab until I put my glasses on.

[SaintK]

Fucking hell is he in here too?

This is starting to look like a deliberate attempt to take this place down to the level of the other place.

Who is it?

I should have read the thread

[Slick]

Fucking hell is he in here too?

This is starting to look like a deliberate attempt to take this place down to the level of the other place.

These people do that though, don’t they. Sit in their echo chambers then come our spamming to get get attention, because they have nothing else, before realising everyone is laughing at them, then head back to the echo chamber for a while to build up the self confidence. And repeat

[David in Gwent]

Fucking hell is he in here too?

This is starting to look like a deliberate attempt to take this place down to the level of the other place.

These people do that though, don’t they. Sit in their echo chambers then come our spamming to get get attention, because they have nothing else, before realising everyone is laughing at them, then head back to the echo chamber for a while to build up the self confidence. And repeat

Spamming? LOL.

[David in Gwent]

We need a new Emoji

You do, I actually thought that was some kind of crab until I put my glasses on.

Cunts also like frogs

Please be a grown up, attack the post if you want to but not the poster.

[Slick]

Fucking hell is he in here too?

This is starting to look like a deliberate attempt to take this place down to the level of the other place.

These people do that though, don’t they. Sit in their echo chambers then come our spamming to get get attention, because they have nothing else, before realising everyone is laughing at them, then head back to the echo chamber for a while to build up the self confidence. And repeat

Spamming? LOL.

Kind of proves my point if that’s what you pick out from the post

[David in Gwent]

These people do that though, don’t they. Sit in their echo chambers then come our spamming to get get attention, because they have nothing else, before realising everyone is laughing at them, then head back to the echo chamber for a while to build up the self confidence. And repeat

Spamming? LOL.

Kind of proves my point if that’s what you pick out from the post

Well, it was a lie so why bother picking anything else out?

[David in Gwent]

Please grow up.

[Line6 HXFX]

Fun symptom with covid, you just forget to eat. It goes out of head. No appetite, Didn't eat for six days. I was thinking wow this covid brain fog is weird etc, couldn't even follow even the most basic instruction.

Just had the Mrs panickingly shouting at me over the phone..to eat.
I honestly could have gone another week.

Lol.

[Ymx]

Huel is a good way to keep going when your stomach/mouth isn’t up for food. A big pricey thought.

[dpedin]

I used to say that no bug or virus would stop me eating as I love my food to much. Then I had septic arthritis in my left knee 3-4 years ago, in hospital for 12 days, knocked sideways with infection, pumped full of antibiotics for months and stopped eating and lost over 2 stones in a matter of weeks! However don't worry as I have managed to put most of that back on again.

[Biffer]

Who would have guessed that going to a couple of dozen Edinburgh festival fringe shows in small packed rooms would have led to me catching covid again.

[Sandstorm]

Who would have guessed that going to a couple of dozen Edinburgh festival fringe shows in small packed rooms would have led to me catching covid again.

It’s no laughing matter

[Line6 HXFX]

Survived covid just about. Blood pressure went dangerously low there for a bit. 91 over 68. whilst resting heart rate was hitting 90.


Scared to check what it's like today..or check my pants.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Got it again a couple of weeks ago. This time round I lost my ability to taste though. It sucks balls, some people say it took them months to get it back? I work in the liquor manufacturing industry, as well as hospitality (couple of restaurants etc). So having no ability to taste really messes things up for quality control and r&d. Stupid covid, bad covid.

[dpedin]

Who would have guessed that going to a couple of dozen Edinburgh festival fringe shows in small packed rooms would have led to me catching covid again.

It’s no laughing matter

Lots of covid kicking around Embra at the moment - had lots of guys cancel golf, going to shows in Fringe etc due to covid. Current version seems highly transmissible but not any more virulent.

[Biffer]

Got it again a couple of weeks ago. This time round I lost my ability to taste though. It sucks balls, some people say it took them months to get it back? I work in the liquor manufacturing industry, as well as hospitality (couple of restaurants etc). So having no ability to taste really messes things up for quality control and r&d. Stupid covid, bad covid.

Took a mate of mine in the USA at least six months of everything tasting like cardboard.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Got it again a couple of weeks ago. This time round I lost my ability to taste though. It sucks balls, some people say it took them months to get it back? I work in the liquor manufacturing industry, as well as hospitality (couple of restaurants etc). So having no ability to taste really messes things up for quality control and r&d. Stupid covid, bad covid.

Took a mate of mine in the USA at least six months of everything tasting like cardboard.

I wouldn't say I taste cardboard, I just taste ...nothing. I can slightly taste salt and/or pepper profiles. But everything else is just gone. It's horrible. I hope I don't have to wait 6 months I told my wife the other day that whatever she loves to cook and eat (and I hate) now is the time. To which she very quickly started with doing a cauliflower and broccoli bake. It was one of the weirdest experiences I've ever had in my life, I sat there eating something I know would usually make me gag, but I just ate it. No reaction. My life is ruined.

[dpedin]

interesting data and analysis emerging about the effectiveness of the covid vaccines and impact upon mortality.

[Biffer]

interesting data and analysis emerging about the effectiveness of the covid vaccines and impact upon mortality.

That's as would be expected, no? Vaccines not becoming any less effective, more unvaccinated people have been exposed to infection so have built up immunity in the same way the vaccine provided.

[Slick]

interesting data and analysis emerging about the effectiveness of the covid vaccines and impact upon mortality.

That's as would be expected, no? Vaccines not becoming any less effective, more unvaccinated people have been exposed to infection so have built up immunity in the same way the vaccine provided.

I thought it was suggesting that unvacc'd folk are dying more than vaccinated. But I'm not very good with these

[Biffer]

interesting data and analysis emerging about the effectiveness of the covid vaccines and impact upon mortality.

That's as would be expected, no? Vaccines not becoming any less effective, more unvaccinated people have been exposed to infection so have built up immunity in the same way the vaccine provided.

I thought it was suggesting that unvacc'd folk are dying more than vaccinated. But I'm not very good with these

It is, but not nearly as much as they once were. Most recent date on the graph has the error bars close to overlapping.

[Line6 HXFX]

Didn't want to mention this whilst I was sick..Dad got it whilst I had it... (91). Honestly thought that was it for him. Thought if it hit him anywhere anywhere nearly as hard as it hit me, then he will definately buy the farm... phoned GP straight away, they got him on anti viral meds (he was vaccinated recently), and I took him off some of his other tablets as instructed...and I monitored his blood pressure temperature like a hawk (whilst I was sick with covid...talk about the sick treating the sick).

He pulled through well, and it was just like a heavy cold with him. The Paxlovid anti viral treatment really did the trick.

[Sandstorm]

Didn't want to mention this whilst I was sick..Dad got it whilst I had it... (91). Honestly thought that was it for him. Thought if it hit him anywhere anywhere nearly as hard as it hit me, then he will definately buy the farm... phoned GP straight away, they got him on anti viral meds (he was vaccinated recently), and I took him off some of his other tablets as instructed...and I monitored his blood pressure temperature like a hawk (whilst I was sick with covid...talk about the sick treating the sick).

He pulled through well, and it was just like a heavy cold with him. The Paxlovid anti viral treatment really did the trick.

[dpedin]

That's as would be expected, no? Vaccines not becoming any less effective, more unvaccinated people have been exposed to infection so have built up immunity in the same way the vaccine provided.

I thought it was suggesting that unvacc'd folk are dying more than vaccinated. But I'm not very good with these

It is, but not nearly as much as they once were. Most recent date on the graph has the error bars close to overlapping.

As usual these data are very complex and can be interpreted in a number of different ways given all the factors involved. However it will be interesting to see the research and what emerges over the next months/years around effectiveness of vaccines. The one I liked was the evidence that suggested that lower vaccination rates in Red states compared with Blue states in the US led to higher death rates amongst republicans v democrats.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2807617

[dpedin]

Booked in for covid booster and flu jab on 22nd September here in Embra. Got email last week and booked online - simples!

[Ymx]

I thought it was suggesting that unvacc'd folk are dying more than vaccinated. But I'm not very good with these

It is, but not nearly as much as they once were. Most recent date on the graph has the error bars close to overlapping.

As usual these data are very complex and can be interpreted in a number of different ways given all the factors involved. However it will be interesting to see the research and what emerges over the next months/years around effectiveness of vaccines. The one I liked was the evidence that suggested that lower vaccination rates in Red states compared with Blue states in the US led to higher death rates amongst republicans v democrats.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2807617

Yes, and I think that was the case for the earlier strains.

Omicron it appears different.

Was the recent ONS data that 95% of deaths were of those vaccinated.

Our vaccination rate is less than that, which suggests disproportionate number of vaccinated people are dying of Covid, over those unvaccinated.

The fact that unvaccinated have antibodies is a good thing for anti-vaxers, no? I mean 99.5% of all the population have them anyway.

The insinuation with the above data was that the vaccine was harmful to chances of surviving COVID.

That doesn’t make sense to me. I’m going to dig out that report. I never checked it myself.

[Ymx]

I guess this is the report.

Will check it later against the 95% claim

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... tusengland

[Biffer]

It is, but not nearly as much as they once were. Most recent date on the graph has the error bars close to overlapping.

As usual these data are very complex and can be interpreted in a number of different ways given all the factors involved. However it will be interesting to see the research and what emerges over the next months/years around effectiveness of vaccines. The one I liked was the evidence that suggested that lower vaccination rates in Red states compared with Blue states in the US led to higher death rates amongst republicans v democrats.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2807617

Yes, and I think that was the case for the earlier strains.

Omicron it appears different.

Was the recent ONS data that 95% of deaths were of those vaccinated.

Our vaccination rate is less than that, which suggests disproportionate number of vaccinated people are dying of Covid, over those unvaccinated.

The fact that unvaccinated have antibodies is a good thing for anti-vaxers, no? I mean 99.5% of all the population have them anyway.

The insinuation with the above data was that the vaccine was harmful to chances of surviving COVID.

That doesn’t make sense to me. I’m going to dig out that report. I never checked it myself.

That maths is wrong. Level of deaths is still higher amongst unvaccinated, as per the graph above. The gap has closed substantially as unvaxxed have been exposed but that exposure hade been more dangerous than the vaccine, as per that graph. As you'd expect.

Antibodies are only a part of it, the more important parts are probably other parts of the immune system

[Ymx]

It sounded wrong to me.

Have you checked the numbers?

What is the percentage?

[Biffer]

It's in the graph further up the page

[Ymx]

It's in the graph further up the page

Ahhh, got it.

Is that ASMR ?

Edit: yes, can see that on the y axis label.

[Ymx]

Never been one for the flu vaccine. Probably will when I’m older though.

Would rather my immune system keeps fit and my body response copes with illness whilst it’s not dangerous to me. When I hit mid to late seventies I’ll very likely take it though. ie when it starts feeling dangerous to mortality.

[Ymx]

If there’s a significant chance of death or of life changing harm then I’ll take a vaccine, else I’ll go for my immune system. That’s pretty much my philosophy.

Earlier strains of Covid and the uncertainty made it worth it. But after omicron emerged the business case failed to stack up.

I don’t think the business case for healthy children ever did.