Scabnose out!!!!!!

[Torquemada 1420]

Apart from Tom Curry and Courtney Lawes, who was out injured yesterday that would have otherwise likely have started?

The two above wouldve made a big difference tbf.

Lawes is a busted flush due to repeated injuries and Curry has slowly become anonymous from his stellar heights in an arc down that mirrors Itoje.

Reality is Eng simply don't have enough good players at the moment to keep up with the very best. However, that does not excuse
- basic handling errors
- poor discipline
- bad tactical choices
- and, surprisingly for me yesterday, a lack of stamina and, in some cases, appetite for the fight. I imagine BCM was having kittens.

[JM2K6]

Apart from Tom Curry and Courtney Lawes, who was out injured yesterday that would have otherwise likely have started?

The two above wouldve made a big difference tbf.

Not if they'd had the same malaise as everyone else. Selection (Slade aside) wasn't the issue here.

[Cartman]

England is having their Heyneke Meyer moment. Worst to come my friends

[Uncle fester]

Please delete the pale imitation of this wondrous thread.

[JM2K6]

Very gauche to make a thread like this about another country's coach.

[Uncle fester]

Just trying to be helpful.

[Guy Smiley]

Ireland have peaked too early and some of their more outspoken supporters have noticed. The Campaign of Distraction has begun. The quarter finals loom.

[Niegs]

Ireland have peaked too early and some of their more outspoken supporters have noticed. The Campaign of Distraction has begun. The quarter finals loom.

Who are their likely QF, SF, F opponents should they win their group and progress? (I had to look as I haven't followed at all... Boks in their pool, either way, QF vs NZ or France)

[assfly]

Listening to his post-match interview was painful. Rolling out a lot of media handbook excuses, sounds like he's been in the job for decades.

[Uncle fester]

Ireland have peaked too early and some of their more outspoken supporters have noticed. The Campaign of Distraction has begun. The quarter finals loom.

OP posted a month and a half ago bud.

[Guy Smiley]

Ireland have peaked too early and some of their more outspoken supporters have noticed. The Campaign of Distraction has begun. The quarter finals loom.

OP posted a month and a half ago bud.

Way too early.

[Mahoney]

Listening to his post-match interview was painful. Rolling out a lot of media handbook excuses, sounds like he's been in the job for decades.

He has more experience of excusing shit English rugby performances in post match interviews than anyone else in the world.

[Uncle fester]

Listening to his post-match interview was painful. Rolling out a lot of media handbook excuses, sounds like he's been in the job for decades.

He has more experience of excusing shit English rugby performances in post match interviews than anyone else in the world.

What coach was he captain under?

[sockwithaticket]

Listening to his post-match interview was painful. Rolling out a lot of media handbook excuses, sounds like he's been in the job for decades.

He has more experience of excusing shit English rugby performances in post match interviews than anyone else in the world.

What coach was he captain under?

Johnson. There were a couple of games in that era where we just barely squeaked past Italy, played like a bunch of spackers and Borthers would come out to tell us it was an excellent performance.

[Uncle fester]

He has more experience of excusing shit English rugby performances in post match interviews than anyone else in the world.

What coach was he captain under?

Johnson. There were a couple of games in that era where we just barely squeaked past Italy, played like a bunch of spackers and Borthers would come out to tell us it was an excellent performance.

Gawd yeah, remember that now. Did Johnson have any coaching experience under his belt at all?

[JM2K6]

One of the worst attacking performances by an England team that I can remember when you consider the talent in the squad and the fact that the pack actually showed up and won some ball. Just absolute shit. Kick the leather off it, run away from the concept of making a break, and lose by a decent margin without even attempting to change things to chase the game.

This world cup is going to make England's 2011 performances look like NZ 2015. Borthwick does not have a clue what he's doing.

[Uncle fester]

So what's the verdict? Give him another few years?

[fishfoodie]

So what's the verdict? Give him another few years?

TBF when Faz Sr became our head coach I was seriously unimpressed, possibly because of all the chat around his part in the England failure under Lancaster; then to add insult to injury, he brought in Catt, who I'd never seen any positives in the squads he worked with ....

.... time passes ....

So yeah, I think he needs the support of his Union, the buy in of his players, & the co-operation of the PRL*, & then we'll see how it works out.


* I'm afraid he'll get fucked on two of the three

[Ymx]

Sympathy bump

[ASMO]

Way out of his depth, unfortunatly the invertebrates at the RFU wont do anything

[Ymx]

Can’t get rid of him. Best you can do is hunt out some decent assistants to minimise his mediocrity, like we manage to have done with Schmidt and Ryan for Foster.

….
In the next two weeks

[Torquemada 1420]

Listening to his post-match interview was painful. Rolling out a lot of media handbook excuses, sounds like he's been in the job for decades.

With luck, he will be

[Line6 HXFX]

He is one of Englands elite coaches, super knowledgeable forward and THE pre eminent lineout guru.
He is a keeper.

England were dominant (not edging it, or threatening) "Dominant" in the first half, Andy Goode said as much.

Though suspect every pundit gets a grand from the RFU PR department, when they call England dominant tbh. Though dillaglio burns through the "dominant" budget before kick off.

[sockwithaticket]

So what's the verdict? Give him another few years?

TBF when Faz Sr became our head coach I was seriously unimpressed, possibly because of all the chat around his part in the England failure under Lancaster; then to add insult to injury, he brought in Catt, who I'd never seen any positives in the squads he worked with ....

.... time passes ....

So yeah, I think he needs the support of his Union, the buy in of his players, & the co-operation of the PRL*, & then we'll see how it works out.


* I'm afraid he'll get fucked on two of the three

For all the bullshit that surrounded members of the England coaching set up after the debacle of the 2015 world cup, they did actually have some tangible work to point to at international level when moving on to new jobs and in Faz's did his time as an assistant before taking on the head Ireland job. The difference between Lancaster's England and the three regimes prior was stark. May not have produced any titles, but an 80% win rate in the 6N is nothing to be sniffed at and our general record against other opposition was better than it had been since Sir Clive's day too, including a first win against the All Black's in a decade.

Borthwick dosn't bring that with him. Improving Tigers from their nadir is laudable, but not once when looking at the way they played, even when they won the Prem title, would you think 'well they've clearly got a coach who can step up to international level'.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

So what's the verdict? Give him another few years?

TBF when Faz Sr became our head coach I was seriously unimpressed, possibly because of all the chat around his part in the England failure under Lancaster; then to add insult to injury, he brought in Catt, who I'd never seen any positives in the squads he worked with ....

.... time passes ....

So yeah, I think he needs the support of his Union, the buy in of his players, & the co-operation of the PRL*, & then we'll see how it works out.


* I'm afraid he'll get fucked on two of the three

For all the bullshit that surrounded members of the England coaching set up after the debacle of the 2015 world cup, they did actually have some tangible work to point to at international level when moving on to new jobs and in Faz's did his time as an assistant before taking on the head Ireland job. The difference between Lancaster's England and the three regimes prior was stark. May not have produced any titles, but an 80% win rate in the 6N is nothing to be sniffed at and our general record against other opposition was better than it had been since Sir Clive's day too, including a first win against the All Black's in a decade.

Borthwick dosn't bring that with him. Improving Tigers from their nadir is laudable, but not once when looking at the way they played, even when they won the Prem title, would you think 'well they've clearly got a coach who can step up to international level'.

Lancaster was the opposite to Eddie Jones. Not a knowledgable coach but good at bringing through talent. Eddie seems good at fixing obviously broken tactics but awful at recognising and developing new talent.

Sadly Borthwick seems to be neither.

[sefton]

Erm, whole RFU and Premiership boards out.

[JM2K6]

Fuck it.

I've always given new coaches a chance and probably supported them for far too long once things have gone downhill. Trying something new and seeing how it feels. It would obviously be awful if this blows up in my face.

He is woefully underqualified for the role, is completely out of his depth as a tactician, has no experience of top level coaching that isn't completely tainted by Eddie Jones (bar a short stint with the Lions), and he was a legendarily shit England captain who was the safe establishment man.

England rugby had a choice between him or Robertson and didn't even consider any to alternative to Steve "Steve" Borthwick, a robot in human skin who can put epileptics to sleep just by talking at them and who considers booting the ball in the air to be the high point of rugby strategy. Somehow he's taken a talented group, got them showing signs of life, then led them to the biggest humiliation we've ever suffered at home outside of the world cup that should not be mentioned. And he's going to bring in Richard fucking Wigglesworth to be another version of him that's even less appropriate a choice.

I am completely confident that this thread will be proven prescient in the next 2-48 months and I will tell you all I told you so.

BORTHWICK OUT!

It's become even worse even quicker than I could've predicted. Just incredible how bad things are. Borthwick is humiliating English rugby. And the people who put him in place need to lose their jobs.

[ASMO]

Just fuck off, take your whole coaching staff with you,and keep fucking off until you can fuck off no further.

[tc27]

You brought it on yourselves with the whole 'we will play better without Farrell so let's get him banned' hilarity. It warms my heart to see it back firing

Who knew sentiments expressed here would have such dramatic effects.

[el capitan]

Let's be honest, selecting (in particular) any of Cole, Vunipola, Youngs, Care, or Tuilagi in 2023 is a sackable offence on it's own. This imbecile has all 5 in his squad

Then we get to the actual fucking rugby stuff......

[tc27]

Let's be honest, selecting (in particular) any of Cole, Vunipola, Youngs, Care, or Tuilagi in 2023 is a sackable offence on it's own. This imbecile has all 5 in his squad

Then we get to the actual fucking rugby stuff......

Add Sinckler who has never being the same since Itoje knocked him out in the 2019 final.

[Line6 HXFX]

What you morons don't understand is humiliation and the destruction of delusion makes teams. England have gone through a serious bollocking over the last month...no one is hyping them, no-one is saying what I am about to say, but Rugby requires qualities and experiences exactly like this, to make great teams.

Nothing good ever comes from reactionary twat supporters like you lot.

[Achahoish]

Let's be honest, selecting (in particular) any of Cole, Vunipola, Youngs, Care, or Tuilagi in 2023 is a sackable offence on it's own. This imbecile has all 5 in his squad

Then we get to the actual fucking rugby stuff......

Marler & Lawes can be added to that list imho

[ASMO]

What you morons don't understand is humiliation and the destruction of delusion makes teams. England have gone through a serious bollocking over the last month...no one is hyping them, no-one is saying what I am about to say, but Rugby requires qualities and experiences exactly like this, to make great teams.

Nothing good ever comes from reactionary twat supporters like you lot.

Says the most reactionary twat supporter on the board.

[JM2K6]

Let's be honest, selecting (in particular) any of Cole, Vunipola, Youngs, Care, or Tuilagi in 2023 is a sackable offence on it's own. This imbecile has all 5 in his squad

Then we get to the actual fucking rugby stuff......

Marler & Lawes can be added to that list imho

Lawes was the best England forward by a mile today. Marler is by a distance the best scrummaging loosehead available for England and has been in great club form for years.

Both are quite different to relying on people like Tuilagi

[Ymx]

What you morons don't understand is humiliation and the destruction of delusion makes teams. England have gone through a serious bollocking over the last month...no one is hyping them, no-one is saying what I am about to say, but Rugby requires qualities and experiences exactly like this, to make great teams.

Nothing good ever comes from reactionary twat supporters like you lot.

Says the most reactionary twat supporter on the board.

Brutal

[Uncle fester]

Replacements?

Rob Baxter?

[Blackmac]

If this goes on for say another 30 years, you lads will finally understand what it is like to be a Scottish supporter.

[Kawazaki]

Replacements?

Rob Baxter?

He'd be terrible.

[fishfoodie]

Replacements?

Rob Baxter?

He'd be terrible.

Only terrible you say ?, << strokes beard >>