So, coronavirus...

[Biffer]

What utter bollocks! So tell me where these "lots more predators" are coming from? Bussed in from the cities? Again, breeding season is over, a glut of weak birds you say? You think you're picking off the weak ones on a shoot? Think again, those fuckers fly, the weak ones don't...
Foxes, actively shot using a rifle, not on horse. Other predators? Sparrowhawk's? Oooh, massive threat.. What's next? Armed badgers? Ninja stoats?...

What shooting estates do is put a lot of work into maintaining what is, pretty much, an entirely artificial ecosystem which is managed in order to maximise shooting opportunities. It’s in no way a conservation effort in respect of natural environment, but it is an attempt to conserve a particular privileged lifestyle. The management of estates is actively damaging to hares, raptors, wildcats, foxes and other ground dwelling birds such as capercaillie. That’s on top of maintaining an artificial landscape where vegetation growth is kept to knee height, traditional forest is virtually non existent and biodiversity is constrained.

What we do on our shoot is active conservation. Since I've been a member,we've paid for and planted 20 small copses with native tree species, all randomly spaced to avoid looking unnatural, undergrowth is cut once a year, set aside is now a 5 metre boundary from field to hedgerow, again, only cut once a year to encourage wildflowers. To suggest that it needs active conservation by a group of more than 6 is absolute bollocks. Shoot has been postponed, wildlife left to do what they do naturally..

That sounds very much like the exception rather than the rule.

[robmatic]

What shooting estates do is put a lot of work into maintaining what is, pretty much, an entirely artificial ecosystem which is managed in order to maximise shooting opportunities. It’s in no way a conservation effort in respect of natural environment, but it is an attempt to conserve a particular privileged lifestyle. The management of estates is actively damaging to hares, raptors, wildcats, foxes and other ground dwelling birds such as capercaillie. That’s on top of maintaining an artificial landscape where vegetation growth is kept to knee height, traditional forest is virtually non existent and biodiversity is constrained.

What we do on our shoot is active conservation. Since I've been a member,we've paid for and planted 20 small copses with native tree species, all randomly spaced to avoid looking unnatural, undergrowth is cut once a year, set aside is now a 5 metre boundary from field to hedgerow, again, only cut once a year to encourage wildflowers. To suggest that it needs active conservation by a group of more than 6 is absolute bollocks. Shoot has been postponed, wildlife left to do what they do naturally..

That sounds very much like the exception rather than the rule.

My family's farm is in the Yorkshire Dales in prime grouse shooting territory and most of the estates around us seem to focus on maximising the numbers they get on shooting days. Last time I was home I was speaking to an older gamekeeper and even he was saying things are getting too extreme.

[Ted.]

66 in 41,000 seems to be a starting place to work out the odds.

Etc etc

You fucking what. Are you claiming to know that these 66 staff members acquired the virus solely within the pub environment and could only pass it on at the same rate in the same environment?

You have also assumed that the entire staff work in the pubs, aren't you.

Given the interaction of in-pub staff with other staff and the public, I think you might need to reevaluate your thinking.

All customers of Spoon's must download the app to enter.
If there was a possibility that staff have infected customers, then T&T protocols would have been initiated. Clusters would be identified and contained.

Which is nice but doesn't answer my question to Bimbo.

[eldanielfire]

Tories make a special exemption for Rule of 6, for grouse hunting...

Grouse shooting and hunting

I thought you were taking the piss tbh

I didn't even know that existed still

[Insane_Homer]

UK

#DailyCovidUpdate | 15th September 2020

- Cases: 374,228 (+3,105)
- Deaths (28-day): 41,664 (+27)
- Deaths (60-day): 45,541 (+40)
- Deaths (no-cutoff): 48,146 (+91)

- Case AVG: 3,095.71
- Death AVG 28-day: 11.14
- Death AVG 60-day: 18.86
- Death AVG no cut: 53.57

[Bimbowomxn]

wildlife left to do what they do naturally..

While putting down imported Partridge at 100 x’s the natural concentration.

[TB63]

wildlife left to do what they do naturally..

While putting down imported Partridge at 100 x’s the natural concentration.

At what fucking point did I say we released partridge you fucking loon? Stop trying to twist it as per usual. This is about gatherings being allowed just for pleasure for the minority. You tried and failed to twist it as usual..

[Bimbowomxn]

wildlife left to do what they do naturally..

While putting down imported Partridge at 100 x’s the natural concentration.

At what fucking point did I say we released partridge you fucking loon? Stop trying to twist it as per usual. This is about gatherings being allowed just for pleasure for the minority. You tried and failed to twist it as usual..

No, it’s being treated as all other out door activities......

And my point was not all shoots had put a few pheasant down......

The death of poults and birds not making t through the winter is a serious issue. One you dismiss.

Conservation of all ground nesting birds and support for raptors works well out here, and does most of Suffolk and Norfolk as well.

Both the SNP and Welsh Labour governments have made the same decisions.


I’ll enjoy the shooting I do this year.

[Sandstorm]

Shooting up?

[Enzedder]

UK

#DailyCovidUpdate | 15th September 2020

- Cases: 374,228 (+3,105)
- Deaths (28-day): 41,664 (+27)
- Deaths (60-day): 45,541 (+40)
- Deaths (no-cutoff): 48,146 (+91)

- Case AVG: 3,095.71
- Death AVG 28-day: 11.14
- Death AVG 60-day: 18.86
- Death AVG no cut: 53.57

It certainly appears that the government there has muddied the waters so much that nobody knows what the true position is. I hope that they do for the policies that they are making

[Insane_Homer]

Today I received and performed the antibody test, a voluntary study being conducted by Imperial College London.

It's a pin prick blood test that's done at home and then you send a photo of the result to them along with a rather detailed questionnaire.

As it turns out at first, I did not notice any faint line, but when I uploaded the photo there was a very faint line next to the G-marker suggesting at some point that I might have had it...

Since Jan I've been sick twice, both times with fever and upset stomach but no other COVID symptoms. After the 2nd time I had a test done that came back negative - that was ~15 July. So I don't think either of those was COVID but it seems like at some point I've had it but been otherwise asymptomatic.

[fishfoodie]

Today I received and performed the antibody test, a voluntary study being conducted by Imperial College London.

It's a pin prick blood test that's done at home and then you send a photo of the result to them along with a rather detailed questionnaire.

As it turns out at first, I did not notice any faint line, but when I uploaded the photo there was a very faint line next to the G-marker suggesting at some point that I might have had it...

Since Jan I've been sick twice, both times with fever and upset stomach but no other COVID symptoms. After the 2nd time I had a test done that came back negative - that was ~15 July. So I don't think either of those was COVID but it seems like at some point I've had it but been otherwise asymptomatic.

This is where I wished I knew some more Biology.

Is this a case of you, potentially, being in middle ground; where you've had a very small exposure; so your immune system responded & so you show antibodies from that response; but you might not have enough exposure to get any immunity to a larger exposure dose ?

But this is where my knowledge runs out; would this limited exposure mean that any immunity you get, would be similarly limited; or is one "learned", anti-body enough for your system to respond the same way to any future exposure ??

Or to put it another way is any exposure that produces anti-bodies, enough to give a degree of immunity to future exposures ?*


* with the usual caveats about the lack of knowledge of how long immunity lasts, & virus mutation etc

[Tichtheid]

Today I received and performed the antibody test, a voluntary study being conducted by Imperial College London.

It's a pin prick blood test that's done at home and then you send a photo of the result to them along with a rather detailed questionnaire.

As it turns out at first, I did not notice any faint line, but when I uploaded the photo there was a very faint line next to the G-marker suggesting at some point that I might have had it...

Since Jan I've been sick twice, both times with fever and upset stomach but no other COVID symptoms. After the 2nd time I had a test done that came back negative - that was ~15 July. So I don't think either of those was COVID but it seems like at some point I've had it but been otherwise asymptomatic.

This is where I wished I knew some more Biology.

Is this a case of you, potentially, being in middle ground; where you've had a very small exposure; so your immune system responded & so you show antibodies from that response; but you might not have enough exposure to get any immunity to a larger exposure dose ?

But this is where my knowledge runs out; would this limited exposure mean that any immunity you get, would be similarly limited; or is one "learned", anti-body enough for your system to respond the same way to any future exposure ??

Or to put it another way is any exposure that produces anti-bodies, enough to give a degree of immunity to future exposures ?*


* with the usual caveats about the lack of knowledge of how long immunity lasts, & virus mutation etc

Good questions, FishFoodie - I have no idea of the answers, but if I may I'd like to add a question for those who might know -

Is the virus like a parasite that needs organic tissue to survive and spread? I have heard it can survive on some surfaces for up to 72 hours, but if it has nothing to "feed on", then it will perish, Shirley?

If that is the case, then wouldn't isolation be the better bet rather than trying to build up herd immunity through antibodies?

I ask knowing nothing about this stuff.

[Saint]

Today I received and performed the antibody test, a voluntary study being conducted by Imperial College London.

It's a pin prick blood test that's done at home and then you send a photo of the result to them along with a rather detailed questionnaire.

As it turns out at first, I did not notice any faint line, but when I uploaded the photo there was a very faint line next to the G-marker suggesting at some point that I might have had it...

Since Jan I've been sick twice, both times with fever and upset stomach but no other COVID symptoms. After the 2nd time I had a test done that came back negative - that was ~15 July. So I don't think either of those was COVID but it seems like at some point I've had it but been otherwise asymptomatic.

This is where I wished I knew some more Biology.

Is this a case of you, potentially, being in middle ground; where you've had a very small exposure; so your immune system responded & so you show antibodies from that response; but you might not have enough exposure to get any immunity to a larger exposure dose ?

But this is where my knowledge runs out; would this limited exposure mean that any immunity you get, would be similarly limited; or is one "learned", anti-body enough for your system to respond the same way to any future exposure ??

Or to put it another way is any exposure that produces anti-bodies, enough to give a degree of immunity to future exposures ?*


* with the usual caveats about the lack of knowledge of how long immunity lasts, & virus mutation etc

People talk about immunity as if it’s a binary state when it's nothing of the sort.

You get a virus; your imuune system learns about it and generates antibodies. If the antibodies overwhelm the virus you live, if they don't you due (assuming the virus is deadly).

Assuming you live, your system now knows about the virus and has memory - if it sees the same virus again it "remembers" which antibodies to generate.

The thing is, you don't carry those antibodies around with you for life. Anyone that had the MMR vaccine when young would test negative for any MMR antibodies today, but would be considered immune - because their system would remember the virus and generate the antibodies as needed. Thd trick is teaching the system .

A weak infection will generate a weak memory, and therefore a weak subsequent response. One of the core principles in developing a vaccine is working out whether a large single dose, or a repeater or whatever, generates the best memory

[Insane_Homer]

[stemoc]

151 days without any community cases in our country, you mofos need to do a better job.

[Bimbowomxn]

151 days without any community cases in our country, you mofos need to do a better job.

We are making plans to move to the south Atlantic and then close the airports.

[eldanielfire]

Today I received and performed the antibody test, a voluntary study being conducted by Imperial College London.

It's a pin prick blood test that's done at home and then you send a photo of the result to them along with a rather detailed questionnaire.

As it turns out at first, I did not notice any faint line, but when I uploaded the photo there was a very faint line next to the G-marker suggesting at some point that I might have had it...

Since Jan I've been sick twice, both times with fever and upset stomach but no other COVID symptoms. After the 2nd time I had a test done that came back negative - that was ~15 July. So I don't think either of those was COVID but it seems like at some point I've had it but been otherwise asymptomatic.

This is where I wished I knew some more Biology.

Is this a case of you, potentially, being in middle ground; where you've had a very small exposure; so your immune system responded & so you show antibodies from that response; but you might not have enough exposure to get any immunity to a larger exposure dose ?

But this is where my knowledge runs out; would this limited exposure mean that any immunity you get, would be similarly limited; or is one "learned", anti-body enough for your system to respond the same way to any future exposure ??

Or to put it another way is any exposure that produces anti-bodies, enough to give a degree of immunity to future exposures ?*


* with the usual caveats about the lack of knowledge of how long immunity lasts, & virus mutation etc

People talk about immunity as if it’s a binary state when it's nothing of the sort.

You get a virus; your imuune system learns about it and generates antibodies. If the antibodies overwhelm the virus you live, if they don't you due (assuming the virus is deadly).

Assuming you live, your system now knows about the virus and has memory - if it sees the same virus again it "remembers" which antibodies to generate.

The thing is, you don't carry those antibodies around with you for life. Anyone that had the MMR vaccine when young would test negative for any MMR antibodies today, but would be considered immune - because their system would remember the virus and generate the antibodies as needed. Thd trick is teaching the system .

A weak infection will generate a weak memory, and therefore a weak subsequent response. One of the core principles in developing a vaccine is working out whether a large single dose, or a repeater or whatever, generates the best memory

There is also the case that antibodies are only generated in large volumes with repeated exposure to the organism. Our memory cells create a much largely antibody response than we do on the initial infection. Getting it once briefly would explain the low antibody counts. And that makes sense with all the social distancing occurring people are possibly getting less exposure to it than say a cold in winter.

[SaintK]

151 days without any community cases in our country, you mofos need to do a better job.

We are making plans to move to the south Atlantic and then close the airports.

Surprised you haven't got RSI after your marathon Brexit session on PR yesterday?

[Northern Lights]

[stemoc]

wait........................ did england do covid19 to delay BREXIT?

[Bimbowomxn]

151 days without any community cases in our country, you mofos need to do a better job.

We are making plans to move to the south Atlantic and then close the airports.

Surprised you haven't got RSI after your marathon Brexit session on PR yesterday?

Mostly copy and paste of actual facts , it seems they needed repeating . And
Of course I’m a fair bit younger than
You so don’t get RSI.

[Bimbowomxn]

SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.

Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.

[Northern Lights]

SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.

Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.

It says government, not which government, they are all a bloody embarrassment as far as i am concerned.

[SaintK]

We are making plans to move to the south Atlantic and then close the airports.

Surprised you haven't got RSI after your marathon Brexit session on PR yesterday?

Mostly copy and paste of actual facts , it seems they needed repeating . And
Of course I’m a fair bit younger than
You so don’t get RSI.

Thanks for reminding me

[SaintK]

SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.

Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.

One "car crash" interview is bad enough. But three in a row is spectacularly bad!!!

[robmatic]

SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.

Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.

One "car crash" interview is bad enough. But three in a row is spectacularly bad!!!

She could be the next PM when BoJo quits

[Biffer]

SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.

Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.

One "car crash" interview is bad enough. But three in a row is spectacularly bad!!!

Just 3?

Honestly trying to remember an interview of hers that wasn't a complete shitshow.

[SaintK]

SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.

Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.

One "car crash" interview is bad enough. But three in a row is spectacularly bad!!!

Just 3?

Honestly trying to remember an interview of hers that wasn't a complete shitshow.

True! No wonder she gets hidden away

[Saint]

USA slipped over 200k last night, and still no end in sight fir them. Looks likely to be over a quarter of a million by the election

[Biffer]

Boris Johnson last week: we have operation moonshot to get us up to 10 million tests a day

Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.


Fucking twat.

[yermum]

Boris Johnson last week: we have operation moonshot to get us up to 10 million tests a day

Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.


Fucking twat.

poundshop trump.

[Sandstorm]

Boris Johnson last week: we have operation moonshot to get us up to 10 million tests a day

Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.


Fucking twat.

1 test per person per week. Totally plausible

[Biffer]

Boris Johnson last week: we have operation moonshot to get us up to 10 million tests a day

Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.


Fucking twat.

1 test per person per week. Totally plausible

Do you agree with last week's Johnson, not this week's Johnson?

[Sandstorm]

Boris Johnson last week: we have operation moonshot to get us up to 10 million tests a day

Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.


Fucking twat.

1 test per person per week. Totally plausible

Do you agree with last week's Johnson, not this week's Johnson?

I haven’t agreed with him since he held up that fucking pasty next to the orange bus.

[fishfoodie]

Boris Johnson last week: we have operation moonshot to get us up to 10 million tests a day

Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.


Fucking twat.

1 test per person per week. Totally plausible

1 test per person per week. Totally plausible

1 result per person per week. Totally plausible

1 Test with a Result per week. Totally horseshit

[I like neeps]

SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.

Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.

Say what you want about shooting but it is classed as a sporting activity so should've always been allowed under the sport exemption. The real problem is it just isn't a sport. Imagine the SNP are quite happy about shooting continuing as a nice tourist boost.

I don't think Patel made an idiot of herself either. Feel strange to be defending her when Bimbo is saying she made an arse of herself! It's obvious if you see someone you know outside you go and chat to them but the government can't say that because they need the rules to be clear. The questioning was so reductive, the press are coming up with tenuous hypotheticals for a "gotcha" moment.

[fishfoodie]

Just saw the shit gibbon telling America that Corona will go away with; "Herd Mentality"

the best bit is, he was on the point of saying "Turd Mentality", saying the Tee, before catching it; which would have been a perfect description of his, & his supporters mental state

[Enzedder]

Just saw the shit gibbon telling America that Corona will go away with; "Herd Mentality"

the best bit is, he was on the point of saying "Turd Mentality", saying the Tee, before catching it; which would have been a perfect description of his, & his supporters mental state

Yeah, I cracked up over that as well

[Hong Kong]

Then, you’ll both love this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54183731

I wonder who to believe...