That sounds very much like the exception rather than the rule.TB63 wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:10 amWhat we do on our shoot is active conservation. Since I've been a member,we've paid for and planted 20 small copses with native tree species, all randomly spaced to avoid looking unnatural, undergrowth is cut once a year, set aside is now a 5 metre boundary from field to hedgerow, again, only cut once a year to encourage wildflowers. To suggest that it needs active conservation by a group of more than 6 is absolute bollocks. Shoot has been postponed, wildlife left to do what they do naturally..Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:56 amWhat shooting estates do is put a lot of work into maintaining what is, pretty much, an entirely artificial ecosystem which is managed in order to maximise shooting opportunities. It’s in no way a conservation effort in respect of natural environment, but it is an attempt to conserve a particular privileged lifestyle. The management of estates is actively damaging to hares, raptors, wildcats, foxes and other ground dwelling birds such as capercaillie. That’s on top of maintaining an artificial landscape where vegetation growth is kept to knee height, traditional forest is virtually non existent and biodiversity is constrained.TB63 wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:09 am
What utter bollocks! So tell me where these "lots more predators" are coming from? Bussed in from the cities? Again, breeding season is over, a glut of weak birds you say? You think you're picking off the weak ones on a shoot? Think again, those fuckers fly, the weak ones don't...
Foxes, actively shot using a rifle, not on horse. Other predators? Sparrowhawk's? Oooh, massive threat.. What's next? Armed badgers? Ninja stoats?...
So, coronavirus...
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
My family's farm is in the Yorkshire Dales in prime grouse shooting territory and most of the estates around us seem to focus on maximising the numbers they get on shooting days. Last time I was home I was speaking to an older gamekeeper and even he was saying things are getting too extreme.Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:33 amThat sounds very much like the exception rather than the rule.TB63 wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:10 amWhat we do on our shoot is active conservation. Since I've been a member,we've paid for and planted 20 small copses with native tree species, all randomly spaced to avoid looking unnatural, undergrowth is cut once a year, set aside is now a 5 metre boundary from field to hedgerow, again, only cut once a year to encourage wildflowers. To suggest that it needs active conservation by a group of more than 6 is absolute bollocks. Shoot has been postponed, wildlife left to do what they do naturally..Biffer wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:56 am
What shooting estates do is put a lot of work into maintaining what is, pretty much, an entirely artificial ecosystem which is managed in order to maximise shooting opportunities. It’s in no way a conservation effort in respect of natural environment, but it is an attempt to conserve a particular privileged lifestyle. The management of estates is actively damaging to hares, raptors, wildcats, foxes and other ground dwelling birds such as capercaillie. That’s on top of maintaining an artificial landscape where vegetation growth is kept to knee height, traditional forest is virtually non existent and biodiversity is constrained.
Which is nice but doesn't answer my question to Bimbo..OverThere wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:05 amAll customers of Spoon's must download the app to enter.Ted. wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:39 amYou fucking what. Are you claiming to know that these 66 staff members acquired the virus solely within the pub environment and could only pass it on at the same rate in the same environment?Bimbowomxn wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:32 pm
66 in 41,000 seems to be a starting place to work out the odds.
Etc etc
You have also assumed that the entire staff work in the pubs, aren't you.
Given the interaction of in-pub staff with other staff and the public, I think you might need to reevaluate your thinking.
If there was a possibility that staff have infected customers, then T&T protocols would have been initiated. Clusters would be identified and contained.
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I didn't even know that existed stillC69 wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:56 pmGrouse shooting and huntingInsane_Homer wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:37 pm Tories make a special exemption for Rule of 6, for grouse hunting...![]()
I thought you were taking the piss tbh

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- Cases: 374,228 (+3,105)
- Deaths (28-day): 41,664 (+27)
- Deaths (60-day): 45,541 (+40)
- Deaths (no-cutoff): 48,146 (+91)
- Case AVG: 3,095.71
- Death AVG 28-day: 11.14
- Death AVG 60-day: 18.86
- Death AVG no cut: 53.57
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wildlife left to do what they do naturally..
While putting down imported Partridge at 100 x’s the natural concentration.
At what fucking point did I say we released partridge you fucking loon? Stop trying to twist it as per usual. This is about gatherings being allowed just for pleasure for the minority. You tried and failed to twist it as usual..Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:18 pmwildlife left to do what they do naturally..
While putting down imported Partridge at 100 x’s the natural concentration.
I love watching little children running and screaming, playing hide and seek in the playground.
They don't know I'm using blanks..
They don't know I'm using blanks..
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TB63 wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:28 pmAt what fucking point did I say we released partridge you fucking loon? Stop trying to twist it as per usual. This is about gatherings being allowed just for pleasure for the minority. You tried and failed to twist it as usual..Bimbowomxn wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:18 pmwildlife left to do what they do naturally..
While putting down imported Partridge at 100 x’s the natural concentration.
No, it’s being treated as all other out door activities......
And my point was not all shoots had put a few pheasant down......
The death of poults and birds not making t through the winter is a serious issue. One you dismiss.
Conservation of all ground nesting birds and support for raptors works well out here, and does most of Suffolk and Norfolk as well.
Both the SNP and Welsh Labour governments have made the same decisions.
I’ll enjoy the shooting I do this year.

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:51 pm UK#DailyCovidUpdate | 15th September 2020
- Cases: 374,228 (+3,105)
- Deaths (28-day): 41,664 (+27)
- Deaths (60-day): 45,541 (+40)
- Deaths (no-cutoff): 48,146 (+91)
- Case AVG: 3,095.71
- Death AVG 28-day: 11.14
- Death AVG 60-day: 18.86
- Death AVG no cut: 53.57
It certainly appears that the government there has muddied the waters so much that nobody knows what the true position is. I hope that they do for the policies that they are making
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Today I received and performed the antibody test, a voluntary study being conducted by Imperial College London.
It's a pin prick blood test that's done at home and then you send a photo of the result to them along with a rather detailed questionnaire.
As it turns out at first, I did not notice any faint line, but when I uploaded the photo there was a very faint line next to the G-marker suggesting at some point that I might have had it...
Since Jan I've been sick twice, both times with fever and upset stomach but no other COVID symptoms. After the 2nd time I had a test done that came back negative - that was ~15 July. So I don't think either of those was COVID but it seems like at some point I've had it but been otherwise asymptomatic.
It's a pin prick blood test that's done at home and then you send a photo of the result to them along with a rather detailed questionnaire.
As it turns out at first, I did not notice any faint line, but when I uploaded the photo there was a very faint line next to the G-marker suggesting at some point that I might have had it...
Since Jan I've been sick twice, both times with fever and upset stomach but no other COVID symptoms. After the 2nd time I had a test done that came back negative - that was ~15 July. So I don't think either of those was COVID but it seems like at some point I've had it but been otherwise asymptomatic.
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This is where I wished I knew some more Biology.Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:09 pm Today I received and performed the antibody test, a voluntary study being conducted by Imperial College London.
It's a pin prick blood test that's done at home and then you send a photo of the result to them along with a rather detailed questionnaire.
As it turns out at first, I did not notice any faint line, but when I uploaded the photo there was a very faint line next to the G-marker suggesting at some point that I might have had it...
Since Jan I've been sick twice, both times with fever and upset stomach but no other COVID symptoms. After the 2nd time I had a test done that came back negative - that was ~15 July. So I don't think either of those was COVID but it seems like at some point I've had it but been otherwise asymptomatic.
Is this a case of you, potentially, being in middle ground; where you've had a very small exposure; so your immune system responded & so you show antibodies from that response; but you might not have enough exposure to get any immunity to a larger exposure dose ?
But this is where my knowledge runs out; would this limited exposure mean that any immunity you get, would be similarly limited; or is one "learned", anti-body enough for your system to respond the same way to any future exposure ??
Or to put it another way is any exposure that produces anti-bodies, enough to give a degree of immunity to future exposures ?*
* with the usual caveats about the lack of knowledge of how long immunity lasts, & virus mutation etc
fishfoodie wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:18 pmThis is where I wished I knew some more Biology.Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:09 pm Today I received and performed the antibody test, a voluntary study being conducted by Imperial College London.
It's a pin prick blood test that's done at home and then you send a photo of the result to them along with a rather detailed questionnaire.
As it turns out at first, I did not notice any faint line, but when I uploaded the photo there was a very faint line next to the G-marker suggesting at some point that I might have had it...
Since Jan I've been sick twice, both times with fever and upset stomach but no other COVID symptoms. After the 2nd time I had a test done that came back negative - that was ~15 July. So I don't think either of those was COVID but it seems like at some point I've had it but been otherwise asymptomatic.
Is this a case of you, potentially, being in middle ground; where you've had a very small exposure; so your immune system responded & so you show antibodies from that response; but you might not have enough exposure to get any immunity to a larger exposure dose ?
But this is where my knowledge runs out; would this limited exposure mean that any immunity you get, would be similarly limited; or is one "learned", anti-body enough for your system to respond the same way to any future exposure ??
Or to put it another way is any exposure that produces anti-bodies, enough to give a degree of immunity to future exposures ?*
* with the usual caveats about the lack of knowledge of how long immunity lasts, & virus mutation etc
Good questions, FishFoodie - I have no idea of the answers, but if I may I'd like to add a question for those who might know -
Is the virus like a parasite that needs organic tissue to survive and spread? I have heard it can survive on some surfaces for up to 72 hours, but if it has nothing to "feed on", then it will perish, Shirley?
If that is the case, then wouldn't isolation be the better bet rather than trying to build up herd immunity through antibodies?
I ask knowing nothing about this stuff.
People talk about immunity as if it’s a binary state when it's nothing of the sort.fishfoodie wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:18 pmThis is where I wished I knew some more Biology.Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:09 pm Today I received and performed the antibody test, a voluntary study being conducted by Imperial College London.
It's a pin prick blood test that's done at home and then you send a photo of the result to them along with a rather detailed questionnaire.
As it turns out at first, I did not notice any faint line, but when I uploaded the photo there was a very faint line next to the G-marker suggesting at some point that I might have had it...
Since Jan I've been sick twice, both times with fever and upset stomach but no other COVID symptoms. After the 2nd time I had a test done that came back negative - that was ~15 July. So I don't think either of those was COVID but it seems like at some point I've had it but been otherwise asymptomatic.
Is this a case of you, potentially, being in middle ground; where you've had a very small exposure; so your immune system responded & so you show antibodies from that response; but you might not have enough exposure to get any immunity to a larger exposure dose ?
But this is where my knowledge runs out; would this limited exposure mean that any immunity you get, would be similarly limited; or is one "learned", anti-body enough for your system to respond the same way to any future exposure ??
Or to put it another way is any exposure that produces anti-bodies, enough to give a degree of immunity to future exposures ?*
* with the usual caveats about the lack of knowledge of how long immunity lasts, & virus mutation etc
You get a virus; your imuune system learns about it and generates antibodies. If the antibodies overwhelm the virus you live, if they don't you due (assuming the virus is deadly).
Assuming you live, your system now knows about the virus and has memory - if it sees the same virus again it "remembers" which antibodies to generate.
The thing is, you don't carry those antibodies around with you for life. Anyone that had the MMR vaccine when young would test negative for any MMR antibodies today, but would be considered immune - because their system would remember the virus and generate the antibodies as needed. Thd trick is teaching the system .
A weak infection will generate a weak memory, and therefore a weak subsequent response. One of the core principles in developing a vaccine is working out whether a large single dose, or a repeater or whatever, generates the best memory
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stemoc wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:33 am 151 days without any community cases in our country, you mofos need to do a better job.
We are making plans to move to the south Atlantic and then close the airports.
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There is also the case that antibodies are only generated in large volumes with repeated exposure to the organism. Our memory cells create a much largely antibody response than we do on the initial infection. Getting it once briefly would explain the low antibody counts. And that makes sense with all the social distancing occurring people are possibly getting less exposure to it than say a cold in winter.Saint wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:16 pmPeople talk about immunity as if it’s a binary state when it's nothing of the sort.fishfoodie wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:18 pmThis is where I wished I knew some more Biology.Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:09 pm Today I received and performed the antibody test, a voluntary study being conducted by Imperial College London.
It's a pin prick blood test that's done at home and then you send a photo of the result to them along with a rather detailed questionnaire.
As it turns out at first, I did not notice any faint line, but when I uploaded the photo there was a very faint line next to the G-marker suggesting at some point that I might have had it...
Since Jan I've been sick twice, both times with fever and upset stomach but no other COVID symptoms. After the 2nd time I had a test done that came back negative - that was ~15 July. So I don't think either of those was COVID but it seems like at some point I've had it but been otherwise asymptomatic.
Is this a case of you, potentially, being in middle ground; where you've had a very small exposure; so your immune system responded & so you show antibodies from that response; but you might not have enough exposure to get any immunity to a larger exposure dose ?
But this is where my knowledge runs out; would this limited exposure mean that any immunity you get, would be similarly limited; or is one "learned", anti-body enough for your system to respond the same way to any future exposure ??
Or to put it another way is any exposure that produces anti-bodies, enough to give a degree of immunity to future exposures ?*
* with the usual caveats about the lack of knowledge of how long immunity lasts, & virus mutation etc
You get a virus; your imuune system learns about it and generates antibodies. If the antibodies overwhelm the virus you live, if they don't you due (assuming the virus is deadly).
Assuming you live, your system now knows about the virus and has memory - if it sees the same virus again it "remembers" which antibodies to generate.
The thing is, you don't carry those antibodies around with you for life. Anyone that had the MMR vaccine when young would test negative for any MMR antibodies today, but would be considered immune - because their system would remember the virus and generate the antibodies as needed. Thd trick is teaching the system .
A weak infection will generate a weak memory, and therefore a weak subsequent response. One of the core principles in developing a vaccine is working out whether a large single dose, or a repeater or whatever, generates the best memory
Surprised you haven't got RSI after your marathon Brexit session on PR yesterday?Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:54 amstemoc wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:33 am 151 days without any community cases in our country, you mofos need to do a better job.
We are making plans to move to the south Atlantic and then close the airports.
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SaintK wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:14 amSurprised you haven't got RSI after your marathon Brexit session on PR yesterday?Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:54 amstemoc wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:33 am 151 days without any community cases in our country, you mofos need to do a better job.
We are making plans to move to the south Atlantic and then close the airports.
Mostly copy and paste of actual facts , it seems they needed repeating . And
Of course I’m a fair bit younger than
You so don’t get RSI.
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SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.
Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.
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It says government, not which government, they are all a bloody embarrassment as far as i am concerned.Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:20 am
SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.
Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.
Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:19 amSaintK wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:14 amSurprised you haven't got RSI after your marathon Brexit session on PR yesterday?Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:54 am
We are making plans to move to the south Atlantic and then close the airports.
Mostly copy and paste of actual facts , it seems they needed repeating . And
Of course I’m a fair bit younger than
You so don’t get RSI.

One "car crash" interview is bad enough. But three in a row is spectacularly bad!!!Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:20 am
SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.
Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.
She could be the next PM when BoJo quitsSaintK wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:49 amOne "car crash" interview is bad enough. But three in a row is spectacularly bad!!!Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:20 am
SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.
Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.

Just 3?SaintK wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:49 amOne "car crash" interview is bad enough. But three in a row is spectacularly bad!!!Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:20 am
SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.
Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.
Honestly trying to remember an interview of hers that wasn't a complete shitshow.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
True! No wonder she gets hidden awayBiffer wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:14 amJust 3?SaintK wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:49 amOne "car crash" interview is bad enough. But three in a row is spectacularly bad!!!Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:20 am
SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.
Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.
Honestly trying to remember an interview of hers that wasn't a complete shitshow.
Boris Johnson last week: we have operation moonshot to get us up to 10 million tests a day
Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.
Fucking twat.
Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.
Fucking twat.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
poundshop trump.Biffer wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:07 pm Boris Johnson last week: we have operation moonshot to get us up to 10 million tests a day
Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.
Fucking twat.
1 test per person per week. Totally plausibleBiffer wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:07 pm Boris Johnson last week: we have operation moonshot to get us up to 10 million tests a day
Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.
Fucking twat.
Do you agree with last week's Johnson, not this week's Johnson?Sandstorm wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:04 pm1 test per person per week. Totally plausibleBiffer wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:07 pm Boris Johnson last week: we have operation moonshot to get us up to 10 million tests a day
Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.
Fucking twat.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
I haven’t agreed with him since he held up that fucking pasty next to the orange bus.Biffer wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:15 pmDo you agree with last week's Johnson, not this week's Johnson?Sandstorm wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:04 pm1 test per person per week. Totally plausibleBiffer wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:07 pm Boris Johnson last week: we have operation moonshot to get us up to 10 million tests a day
Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.
Fucking twat.
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1 test per person per week. Totally plausibleSandstorm wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:04 pm1 test per person per week. Totally plausibleBiffer wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:07 pm Boris Johnson last week: we have operation moonshot to get us up to 10 million tests a day
Boris Johnson today, asked about the 10 million a day: I don't know where you've got that figure from.
Fucking twat.
1 result per person per week. Totally plausible
1 Test with a Result per week. Totally horseshit
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Say what you want about shooting but it is classed as a sporting activity so should've always been allowed under the sport exemption. The real problem is it just isn't a sport. Imagine the SNP are quite happy about shooting continuing as a nice tourist boost.Bimbowomxn wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:20 am
SNP and Welsh Labour feel the same about shooting it seems.
Patel made an arse of herself with “minglin” though.
I don't think Patel made an idiot of herself either. Feel strange to be defending her when Bimbo is saying she made an arse of herself! It's obvious if you see someone you know outside you go and chat to them but the government can't say that because they need the rules to be clear. The questioning was so reductive, the press are coming up with tenuous hypotheticals for a "gotcha" moment.
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Just saw the shit gibbon telling America that Corona will go away with; "Herd Mentality"
the best bit is, he was on the point of saying "Turd Mentality", saying the Tee, before catching it; which would have been a perfect description of his, & his supporters mental state




the best bit is, he was on the point of saying "Turd Mentality", saying the Tee, before catching it; which would have been a perfect description of his, & his supporters mental state
Yeah, I cracked up over that as wellfishfoodie wrote: Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:46 pm Just saw the shit gibbon telling America that Corona will go away with; "Herd Mentality"![]()
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the best bit is, he was on the point of saying "Turd Mentality", saying the Tee, before catching it; which would have been a perfect description of his, & his supporters mental state
I drink and I forget things.
Then, you’ll both love this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54183731
I wonder who to believe...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54183731
I wonder who to believe...