Tudor watches and free wristed refs

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Apparently, the referees in the biggest event on the world rugby calendar aren't wearing watches this year... because the official sponsor, Tudor Watches, have had a massive hissy fit due to a now retired ref selling the watch he was given at the 2019 tournament.

True story. :lol:

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They say the referee is the sole judge of time. But that’s not so easy to do without a watch.

However, that is exactly what the match officials at the Rugby World Cup in France are doing, thanks to a dispute with a tournament sponsor.

Look closely at the arms of any of the men in the middle at this year’s tournament, and while there is a whistle wrapped around one wrist, the other is bare, perhaps even sporting a big tan line, where a watch would normally sit.

Instead, the referees – the very ones stipulated in World Rugby’s law book for keeping the time – are having to rely on their TMO, and, just like the crowd, the stadium clock, and siren, to have any idea of how long is gone in the game.

What on earth, then, are the refs doing running around without what would rank as their second-most important piece of equipment?

Because, Stuff has been told, of a row between them and Swiss watchmakers Tudor.

In 2017, Tudor – a sister company to Rolex, and owned by the Hans Wilsdorf Foundation – signed a seven-year agreement with World Rugby which saw their brand become the official timekeeper of the 2019 and 2023 men’s World Cups, the 2021 women’s World Cup (played in 2022), the 2018 and 2022 Sevens World Cups, and the annual World Under-20 Championship.

But the partnership has quite the snag this year.

While Tudor remains a sponsor at the global showpiece – and massively promotes the fact on their website, where they outline how their values align with rugby’s – they have this year decided not to provide the referees with watches, as has been their custom.

Stuff understands that is because Tudor were highly unimpressed that one of the refs from the 2019 World Cup, who is now retired, went on to sell his watch after that tournament in Japan.

Having never been told they weren’t allowed to do that in any case, it was said to have caused great bemusement among the officials when they were informed just last week of Tudor’s decision for this year.

Strongly-worded emails from the refereeing team followed, but the stance did not change.

Told by the company they either had to wear a Tudor watch (self-sourced), or no other brand aside from a Garmin, which is not considered direct competition, the referees decided as a group they would instead boycott a timepiece altogether, for the duration of the tournament.

“The sponsor’s angry, and it’s a bit petty... it’s just so poor,” a well-placed source told Stuff.

“So for the first time ever in a World Cup, for the first time ever in tier-one test matches, the official timekeepers of a game are not wearing a watch.

“It’s the biggest games in the world and the referees aren’t keeping time.”

It has, by all accounts indeed been a weird feeling for the officials through the first round of games, with even warm-up routines having been thrown somewhat off kilter by not having quick access to the time, while several refs also traditionally use their watches to keep penalty counts on.

Tudor has been contacted for comment.
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Expand on that Judi Dench thing, could you?...
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Considering Tudor only make analogue watches they would be a ridiculous choice for a ref anyway. Plus, they are all heavy stainless steel pieces, it wouldn't exactly be that safe for a ref to be waving his arm around on a busy field. Ridiculous decision by the IRB to allow them to do this.
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The last watch I wore was a Seiko my olds bought me in Sydney and I lost on an acid trip in the Kaiangoroa forest in about 1986.
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It's about time.
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Either way is errr…
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Time to ask the South Africans for some golden rolex...

(this works for welsh ref usually).
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1. Shyte watches
2. There's never a close enough view of a ref's wrist to warrant any viewer/fan noticing the make of what gauche monstrosity they've been made to wear, so until now I doubt anyone was aware they were all wearing a sponsored brand.

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4. The referee keeps the time but may delegate the duty to either or both assistant referees and/or an official time-keeper, in which case the referee signals to them any stoppage.
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I loves Tudor watches. The Black Bay 54 and 58..., the Pelagos, The Black Bay Pro GMT.

Tudor Chrono 41 Automatic (panda dial) would have been a cool choice for Refs.

Seems the only way they would ever go up in value though is if a World Cup ref wore them.

Not exactly investments.
And unfortunately, San Martin do extremely good clomages of tudor (just as good or even better finishing...if you don't mind Seiko NH34, 35 and 36 movements) for a couple of 100 quid.


My favourite watch is the Seiko Flightmaster. Thing has tripled its price in a year.
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EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:02 am
Line6 HXFX wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:01 am I loves Tudor watches. The Black Bay 54 and 58..., the Pelagos, The Black Bay Pro GMT.

Tudor Chrono 41 Automatic (panda dial) would have been a cool choice for Refs.

Seems the only way they would ever go up in value though is if a World Cup ref wore them.

Not exactly investments.



My favourite watch is the Seiko Flightmaster. Thing has tripled its price in a year.
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Lol..what makes you think I am not, you can like watches and be broke.
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Didn't say I owned these expensive things..I like watches, follow many watch channels on youtube, and respect and know about the Tudor brand. I am a bit of a watch collector...and I have a bunch of cheap awesome watches from Seiko, Pagani Design, Seagull, Swatch.

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Globus will be distraught wherever he is. I’m sure he once mentioned Tudor as his watch of choice as they were basically a rebadged Rolex.

Might just be all that needs to be said about the brand I guess.
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Surely they don’t use such watches for games.

Assuming a big whoosh.

It’s presumably a specialised link to an official timer. Hence when they signal to stop time upstairs. They are linked to that timer, which is also linked to what we see on TV.
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Ymx wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:34 pm Surely they don’t use such watches for games.

Assuming a big whoosh.

It’s presumably a specialised link to an official timer. Hence when they signal to stop time upstairs. They are linked to that timer, which is also linked to what we see on TV.
Apparently this is the official watch all refs wore in 2019...

For the 2019 edition of the Rugby World Cup in Japan, referees wore a special edition of the Tudor Back Bay Chronograph. This model had a commemorative case back and a rubber strap to make it more comfortable during matches. It was used by all 23 match officials and was powered by the 70-hour power reserve MT5813. In my opinion, that made for the most stylish tournament of an ever-improving competition.

https://www.fratellowatches.com/you-ask ... wear/#gref

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Sinkers wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:23 pm Globus will be distraught wherever he is. I’m sure he once mentioned Tudor as his watch of choice as they were basically a rebadged Rolex.

Might just be all that needs to be said about the brand I guess.
Yup Tudor was established by the same bloke who started Rolex (Hans Wilsdorf) and they used the same movements etc for a long time.

They were seen as a budget Rolex, now Rolex prices have gone mental, and are basically Bitcoin...Tudors are seen as the reasonable Rolex.
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Grandpa wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 1:43 pm
Ymx wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:34 pm Surely they don’t use such watches for games.

Assuming a big whoosh.

It’s presumably a specialised link to an official timer. Hence when they signal to stop time upstairs. They are linked to that timer, which is also linked to what we see on TV.
Apparently this is the official watch all refs wore in 2019...

For the 2019 edition of the Rugby World Cup in Japan, referees wore a special edition of the Tudor Back Bay Chronograph. This model had a commemorative case back and a rubber strap to make it more comfortable during matches. It was used by all 23 match officials and was powered by the 70-hour power reserve MT5813. In my opinion, that made for the most stylish tournament of an ever-improving competition.

https://www.fratellowatches.com/you-ask ... wear/#gref

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Yeah, but there’s no way a watch like that is the official timer.

The official clock is upstairs, hence why games are stopped bang on the 80.
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https://passport.world.rugby/officiatin ... keeper-tk/
Timekeeper (TK)
The Timekeeper should keep manual time of the match.

The Timekeeper may be situated by the side of the pitch with other officials or be positioned elsewhere in the stadium.

The Timekeeper should:

Monitor and record actual time (i.e. from first kick off to half time)

Monitor and record playing time in accordance with Referee verbal commands or signals (i.e., time on/time off)

Communicate time with Referee if agreed – either relating to playing time, or with regards to kicking time restrictions if a visible shot clock isn’t available in a stadium
Be vigilant to the scoring of tries/penalties within the last two minutes of play in each half to ensure play is, or is not, restarted, as per Law 5 and Law 8

Restart kicks which only occur if the team scoring a try within the last 90 seconds (30 seconds in Sevens) takes the kick with time on the clock. The match will then end at the next stoppage within Law. Time is taken from the strike on the ball. A time-out for replacement purposes will not affect this.

Manage any shot clocks in operation as per Law 8 time limits – Scoring.
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Annoying when you see the ref signal time off... yet the official clock is still ticking.. depending on the state of the game it seems... if a home team needs more time, the clock doesn't start when they say "time on". Shouldn't they be neutral?
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Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:47 am 1. Shyte watches
2. There's never a close enough view of a ref's wrist to warrant any viewer/fan noticing the make of what gauche monstrosity they've been made to wear, so until now I doubt anyone was aware they were all wearing a sponsored brand.

and
4. The referee keeps the time but may delegate the duty to either or both assistant referees and/or an official time-keeper, in which case the referee signals to them any stoppage.
The one thing Tudor is not, is shite. Absolutely outstanding watches for the money.
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Blackmac wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:23 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:47 am 1. Shyte watches
2. There's never a close enough view of a ref's wrist to warrant any viewer/fan noticing the make of what gauche monstrosity they've been made to wear, so until now I doubt anyone was aware they were all wearing a sponsored brand.

and
4. The referee keeps the time but may delegate the duty to either or both assistant referees and/or an official time-keeper, in which case the referee signals to them any stoppage.
The one thing Tudor is not, is shite. Absolutely outstanding watches for the money.
Not bad for a freebie either!
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Blackmac wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:04 am Considering Tudor only make analogue watches they would be a ridiculous choice for a ref anyway. Plus, they are all heavy stainless steel pieces, it wouldn't exactly be that safe for a ref to be waving his arm around on a busy field. Ridiculous decision by the IRB to allow them to do this.
Do they truly make those, or do they actually make digital watches with an analogue face?
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:58 pm
Blackmac wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:04 am Considering Tudor only make analogue watches they would be a ridiculous choice for a ref anyway. Plus, they are all heavy stainless steel pieces, it wouldn't exactly be that safe for a ref to be waving his arm around on a busy field. Ridiculous decision by the IRB to allow them to do this.
Do they truly make those, or do they actually make digital watches with an analogue face?
No, nearly all high end watches are still mechanical movements. Breitling make a couple of digital lower down their range but that's it as far as I can think.
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