Stop voting for fucking Tories

[JM2K6]

Capitalism is a system that essentially demands greed. Almost by definition - it's a system that ultimately prioritises profits by private individuals above all other considerations. Any attempts to discuss capitalism without accepting that as a fact is doomed to fail.

[Line6 HXFX]

You have perfect world capitalists, lazzaire faire capitalists, cunty capitalists, people who believe that capitalism will spread liberal democracy capitalists, you have barrow boy capitalists, honest bob three for a fiver from down the market capitalists, you have slaves to capitalists, American capitalists, shop owner capitalists, investor capitalists, landlord and housing capitalists, avoid paying tax capitalists, exploit the poor capitalists, billionaire capitalists, true believer capitalists, better than the alternative (for them) capitalists, shit something is burning in the oven, better go check capitalists, back now..capitalists..you have benevolent capitalists, Russian oligarch capitalists, addiction capitalists, veterinarian capitalists, vegetarian capitalists, religious indoctrination capitalists, CAPITAL'ist capitalists, anti capitalism capitalists..

[tc27]

Kind of related to this I have always found managed economies fascinating - the economy of the Soviet Union in particular.

The absolute failure of a central planning even based on models created by the best and brightest to get the right goods to the right place - the soviets did attempt to distribute consumer goods 'fairly' but were hamstrung but the decision to focus on heavy industry and military production.

The absurd supermarket model with separate queues for ordering, collecting and paying - in a sense fairer as it kept two more people than necessary in a job. The failure to create a micro processor industry, the failure of collective agriculture ETC ETC.

[I like neeps]

The good news for the Tories is Liz Truss is back saying that she was right all along.

[Line6 HXFX]

Kind of related to this I have always found managed economies fascinating - the economy of the Soviet Union in particular.

The absolute failure of a central planning even based on models created by the best and brightest to get the right goods to the right place - the soviets did attempt to distribute consumer goods 'fairly' but were hamstrung but the decision to focus on heavy industry and military production.

The absurd supermarket model with separate queues for ordering, collecting and paying - in a sense fairer as it kept two more people than necessary in a job. The failure to create a micro processor industry, the failure of collective agriculture ETC ETC.

We have rivers full of shit, 7 million people on waiting lists, hospitals and schools crumbling, railways falling to bits, Drs on strike, inequality not seen since anytime in our history, and privatised industries deciding they are going to charge us the earth for our water, gas, electric, foodbanks, child poverty at like 50% and human misery atop human misery, all fucking deliberately manufactured by our political leaders.

And we don't really have a Micro processor industry either.

[salanya]

The good news for the Tories is Liz Truss is back saying that she was right all along.

That's different levels of delusion.

[tabascoboy]

The good news for the Tories is Liz Truss is back saying that she was right all along.

That's different levels of delusion.

You'd kind of hope that people have enough sense to vote such a moron out at the next election, but, Norfolk...

[sockwithaticket]

Why amn’t I surprised that that intellectual black hole, Cleverly, suggesting the Entertainment industry needs to get its house in order, re sexual harassment/assault ?

Maybe he should have a look at the percentages there versus his own chosen profession before he starts throwing stones ? Fucking moron.

Presumably he means they need to get better at suppressing those who wish to speak out. I think it might've been on Channel 4 that I recently watched a program about parliamentary sexual harassment and one of the key takeaways was that a couple of the complainants interviewed said they wished they'd never bothered. The complaints system implemented was taking 18 months to deal with issues raised and even in the event of deciding on wrong doing merely suspending people for a few days by way of punishment. Complainants reported obvious stagnation of their careers after making their complaint.

[tc27]

I do think our political class do need to think why growth has being anemic for so long and we never seem to recover from the 2008 GFC unlike the US.

Truss is simply a moron though - she was warned about the pension FDI issue and that markets would short UK gilts in the government pressed ahead with unfunded tax cuts but pressed ahead anyway. She claims to be a heir to Thatcher but Thatcher's mission at least at the start was about building economic credibility. She was part of the consensus that insisted on the hardest form of Brexit putting another dampener (but not IMO the only or biggest one) on the UK economy

She is too stupid to know she should stay quiet.

[sturginho]

The good news for the Tories is Liz Truss is back saying that she was right all along.

That's different levels of delusion.

You'd kind of hope that people have enough sense to vote such a moron out at the next election, but, Norfolk...

...they feed beefburgers to cows

[sockwithaticket]

I do think our political class do need to think why growth has being anemic for so long and we never seem to recover from the 2008 GFC unlike the US.

Truss is simply a moron though - she was warned about the pension FDI issue and that markets would short UK gilts in the government pressed ahead with unfunded tax cuts but pressed ahead anyway. She claims to be a heir to Thatcher but Thatcher's mission at least at the start was about building economic credibility. She was part of the consensus that insisted on the hardest form of Brexit putting another dampener (but not IMO the only or biggest one) on the UK economy

She is too stupid to know she should stay quiet.

Austerity rather than stimulus is no small part of that. The economy's been dragging its heels ever since.

[I like neeps]

I do think our political class do need to think why growth has being anemic for so long and we never seem to recover from the 2008 GFC unlike the US.

Truss is simply a moron though - she was warned about the pension FDI issue and that markets would short UK gilts in the government pressed ahead with unfunded tax cuts but pressed ahead anyway. She claims to be a heir to Thatcher but Thatcher's mission at least at the start was about building economic credibility. She was part of the consensus that insisted on the hardest form of Brexit putting another dampener (but not IMO the only or biggest one) on the UK economy

She is too stupid to know she should stay quiet.

Austerity rather than stimulus is no small part of that. The economy's been dragging its heels ever since.

Quite, in Tim Shipman's piece about Starmer in the Sunday Times he has an aid saying "you can't keep slicing up a pie, you have to build a kitchen".

I wonder how they play to build a kitchen with reform and no money.

[Slick]

Kind of related to this I have always found managed economies fascinating - the economy of the Soviet Union in particular.

The absolute failure of a central planning even based on models created by the best and brightest to get the right goods to the right place - the soviets did attempt to distribute consumer goods 'fairly' but were hamstrung but the decision to focus on heavy industry and military production.

The absurd supermarket model with separate queues for ordering, collecting and paying - in a sense fairer as it kept two more people than necessary in a job. The failure to create a micro processor industry, the failure of collective agriculture ETC ETC.

We have rivers full of shit, 7 million people on waiting lists, hospitals and schools crumbling, railways falling to bits, Drs on strike, inequality not seen since anytime in our history, and privatised industries deciding they are going to charge us the earth for our water, gas, electric, foodbanks, child poverty at like 50% and human misery atop human misery, all fucking deliberately manufactured by our political leaders.

And we don't really have a Micro processor industry either.

I've really noticed the number of ex pats coming back here on holiday in the last few months and being appalled at the state of the place.

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Capitalism is a system that essentially demands greed. Almost by definition - it's a system that ultimately prioritises profits by private individuals above all other considerations. Any attempts to discuss capitalism without accepting that as a fact is doomed to fail.

Every system entails greed. Capitalism just better harnesses it than most others, arguably all others. But I wouldn't say capitalism prioritises profits by private individuals above all else, it would prioritise profits, it wouldn't care where the money was, it would want whatever creates the most more profit. That those in charge tend to skew the system means the version of capitalism one gets isn't rational, but any system will be skewed by those controlling the levers of power.

There's probably a fair point that my objection to the misuse of the word capitalism is besides the point because it's meaning is now so corrupted it's on a par with discussing Owen Farrell's tackle technique, when like capitalism like a tackle is a specific and defined thing onto which many have added much in the way of muddled thinking. And that so many are wrong in the use of capitalism as a concept then sort of means they're right because it's meeting the requirement of conveying meaning, just given the muddled thinking on what a thing is perhaps adds to some muddled thinking on what the problems are and how to address them.

I have though dug out my old copy of Max Weber's essay on Capitalism, and when I finish my current book I'll return to something I probably haven't read in over 20 years, I read it during A-levels and then again first year at Uni. if nothing else it'll get nicely in the way of my failing attempts to improve in German and Polish

[mat the expat]

I've really noticed the number of ex pats coming back here on holiday in the last few months and being appalled at the state of the place.

Guilty as charged.....

I usually come back within 3 years, but it's been 6.

It's very apparent that things are shit - we have lots of problems of varying levels in Oz, but it's very evident how depressed the UK is at present.

Hopefully, by the time I come back again, it'll have perked up a bit

[dpedin]

That's different levels of delusion.

You'd kind of hope that people have enough sense to vote such a moron out at the next election, but, Norfolk...

...they feed beefburgers to cows

I happened across her speech on telly and sat mesmerised listening to it. She is full on loopy batshit crazy and was even worse in the Q&A after when she had to answer questions without a preprepared script. Apart from 'it was the woke left wing establishment that did me' in line we also had bring in fracking, dump all our green policies cause global warming aint a thing, deregulate almost everything, and all sorts of other soundbites without any real explanation. She really has become the mouthpiece of the radical right wing nut jobs and looks happy enough to take whatever they are offering to spout their nonsense. However she is also as thick as a pound of mince, like a rabbit in the headlights when speaking and has the charisma of one of my bunions.She did however manage to trash the last 13 years of Tory Government and took a number of side swipes at Sunak which was mildly amusing. For the Tory Party to ever think she was good enough to be an MP let alone PM is just astonishing and shows how they have been captured by the far right, Farage was in the audience, and dodgy dark money. It was all strangely hypnotic and amusing in a very scary way.

[Hal Jordan]

Sunak decides Net Zero is a bad idea, presumably because the wingnuts in his Party are thinking about Ruislip, and he's had his orders from the wife's portfolio and the usual suspects.

At this stage, the collection of barrel dregs that constitutes what can laughably be referred to as the Government (not much actual governing going on) are engaged in one or more of the following at any given time:-

Red meat via culture wars and random policy announcements with zero thought to the consequences or optics outside the hardcore monkey wearing a blue rosette voters
Tufton Street cut 'n' paste
Chasing the fringe to try to see off the Reform idiots in Tice's latest grift, whilst mutating into them on the pissing out the tent principle (UKIP do over)
Burn it down to cripple Labour when they get in after the election and who cares about the country
Secure a job post election

If they can funnel off money to the chums, donors and mates whilst doing it, so much the better. They are engaged in the sort of behaviour dictators get up to in the end game as the tanks are rolling up to the capital city- siphon off as much loot as possible before fleeing the scene.

[SaintK]

It's utter chaos.
Announcing a major policy change via a leak and a woolly statement sent out to the press at midnight.
Braverman utterly clueless (as ever) on the news round this morning
UK car industry now up in arms having made huge long term investments.
Shambles Plc doesn't even begin to describe this shower

[Raggs]

He's not doing this to try and get votes, they're fucked regardless. He's got a tasty donation/board membership etc lined up from some oil company that wanted this.

[tabascoboy]

Let's hope this year's Tory Party Conference is riven by more internal feuds and recriminations. Another disaster zone following last year's Trussonomics bloodbath. However the most likely thing seems lurching even more to the right to try and absorb support for Reform UK etc - but with any luck helping towards the eventual implosion of the Tories as an electable party ( not that Labour are much better tbh).

[Rhubarb & Custard]

Braverman utterly clueless (as ever) on the news round this morning

I thought she had a brave take on how Boris had previously picked the targets from thin air and they'd suddenly realised government policy aiming to bankrupt as many households as possible wasn't a good idea.

It is of course possible she didn't quite say what she was told to say on her talking points, it was funny though

[tabascoboy]

[SaintK]

I bet Sunak is mighty pleased that he's not up at PM's question time today!!!

[shaggy]

I bet Sunak is mighty pleased that he's not up at PM's question time today!!!

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

[Sandstorm]

I bet Sunak is mighty pleased that he's not up at PM's question time today!!!

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

Wanna buy some discount cladding?

[shaggy]

I bet Sunak is mighty pleased that he's not up at PM's question time today!!!

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

Wanna buy some discount cladding?

No cash left, new Tesla arriving Monday!

[I like neeps]

I bet Sunak is mighty pleased that he's not up at PM's question time today!!!

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

It is too expensive for individuals that's true. But the biggest issue with green policies is people don't care a fraction of the amount about climate change as they do living a comfortable life. People who believe in climate change don't willingly take steps to address the problem. Therefore green policies when they come up against the increased cost and decreased comfort of life will lose. And when the world is expensive and uncomfortable because of climate change the politicians of today will be gone.

[shaggy]

I bet Sunak is mighty pleased that he's not up at PM's question time today!!!

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

It is too expensive for individuals that's true. But the biggest issue with green policies is people don't care a fraction of the amount about climate change as they do living a comfortable life. People who believe in climate change don't willingly take steps to address the problem. Therefore green policies when they come up against the increased cost and decreased comfort of life will lose. And when the world is expensive and uncomfortable because of climate change the politicians of today will be gone.

I thought the world is already expensive and uncomfortable to most people, or have I imagined the latest couple of years?

[I like neeps]

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

It is too expensive for individuals that's true. But the biggest issue with green policies is people don't care a fraction of the amount about climate change as they do living a comfortable life. People who believe in climate change don't willingly take steps to address the problem. Therefore green policies when they come up against the increased cost and decreased comfort of life will lose. And when the world is expensive and uncomfortable because of climate change the politicians of today will be gone.

I thought the world is already expensive and uncomfortable to most people, or have I imagined the latest couple of years?

Yes you're right. I should've said more uncomfortable and expensive.

[sockwithaticket]

Step one - Stop giving the fucking fossil fuel companies, who rake in profit, subsidies. Put all that money into helping ordinary people greenify their homes.

The wealthiest contribute dispropotionately more carbon emissions than the rest of us. Squeeze them 'til the pips squeak, to borrow a phrase, to raise funds.

[Paddington Bear]

Kind of related to this I have always found managed economies fascinating - the economy of the Soviet Union in particular.

The absolute failure of a central planning even based on models created by the best and brightest to get the right goods to the right place - the soviets did attempt to distribute consumer goods 'fairly' but were hamstrung but the decision to focus on heavy industry and military production.

The absurd supermarket model with separate queues for ordering, collecting and paying - in a sense fairer as it kept two more people than necessary in a job. The failure to create a micro processor industry, the failure of collective agriculture ETC ETC.

We have rivers full of shit, 7 million people on waiting lists, hospitals and schools crumbling, railways falling to bits, Drs on strike, inequality not seen since anytime in our history, and privatised industries deciding they are going to charge us the earth for our water, gas, electric, foodbanks, child poverty at like 50% and human misery atop human misery, all fucking deliberately manufactured by our political leaders.

And we don't really have a Micro processor industry either.

I've really noticed the number of ex pats coming back here on holiday in the last few months and being appalled at the state of the place.

Tbh you’ve got to be in a bit of a bubble not to notice a decline in at least some areas, IMHO since covid. Various things going on but I think an awful lot of our public services (often but not exclusively privatised) realised the absolute bare minimum customer service they could get away with and have based their company policies on that ever since. Allied, again IMHO, with a general fall off in behaviour in public places. Cannot take a train or tube without someone blasting music out loud and/or vaping.

[I like neeps]

None of these were government policy...

[Slick]

We have rivers full of shit, 7 million people on waiting lists, hospitals and schools crumbling, railways falling to bits, Drs on strike, inequality not seen since anytime in our history, and privatised industries deciding they are going to charge us the earth for our water, gas, electric, foodbanks, child poverty at like 50% and human misery atop human misery, all fucking deliberately manufactured by our political leaders.

And we don't really have a Micro processor industry either.

I've really noticed the number of ex pats coming back here on holiday in the last few months and being appalled at the state of the place.

Tbh you’ve got to be in a bit of a bubble not to notice a decline in at least some areas, IMHO since covid. Various things going on but I think an awful lot of our public services (often but not exclusively privatised) realised the absolute bare minimum customer service they could get away with and have based their company policies on that ever since. Allied, again IMHO, with a general fall off in behaviour in public places. Cannot take a train or tube without someone blasting music out loud and/or vaping.

Agree with all of that, it’s very noticeable

[Slick]

None of these were government policy...

It just makes me think he’s even more of a cunt than many others. You know he doesn’t believe this bullshit himself

[petej]

Irrespective of the above I had a quote to make my leaking 1930s property ready for the new world and I nearly shat myself at the price.

The prices to meet the expectations are not affordable for joe public.

Policy needs a careful look at, which we know is not possible, but if Labour do follow through it will bankrupt the UK.

Wanna buy some discount cladding?

No cash left, new Tesla arriving Monday!

How much is tesla and how much is the quote?

Edit: I've been amazed how much people spend on cars that depreciate quickly but not on their house.

[petej]

None of these were government policy...

It just makes me think he’s even more of a cunt than many others. You know he doesn’t believe this bullshit himself

Eating meat is probably a generous description of some meat products. Who cares about public health? When you see video of people 30 years ago you really do see the damage of the food industry in all its obese glory. Our food labelling is disgustingly misleading and massive quantities of our "food" is not actually food.

You need to fly as rail is shite and obscenely expensive.

Tbf why sort it into different bins when a fair proportion of it isn't recycled but just exported.

You to can sit in a traffic jam for longer.

Even more insulation upgrades with the shite that has been built. Let's not forget who removed support for insulation.

[I like neeps]

None of these were government policy...

It just makes me think he’s even more of a cunt than many others. You know he doesn’t believe this bullshit himself

Eating meat is probably a generous description of some meat products. Who cares about public health? When you see video of people 30 years ago you really do see the damage of the food industry in all its obese glory. Our food labelling is disgustingly misleading and massive quantities of our "food" is not actually food.

You need to fly as rail is shite and obscenely expensive.

Tbf why sort it into different bins when a fair proportion of it isn't recycled but just exported.

You to can sit in a traffic jam for longer.

Even more insulation upgrades with the shite that has been built. Let's not forget who removed support for insulation.

All are actually quite good policies for climate mitigation and public health tbf. But most people will hate them, so fair enough.

The insulation thing is just plain stupid. We have terrible insulation and improving it would save money! It's not even clear why Joe public won't like it.

[petej]

It just makes me think he’s even more of a cunt than many others. You know he doesn’t believe this bullshit himself

Eating meat is probably a generous description of some meat products. Who cares about public health? When you see video of people 30 years ago you really do see the damage of the food industry in all its obese glory. Our food labelling is disgustingly misleading and massive quantities of our "food" is not actually food.

You need to fly as rail is shite and obscenely expensive.

Tbf why sort it into different bins when a fair proportion of it isn't recycled but just exported.

You to can sit in a traffic jam for longer.

Even more insulation upgrades with the shite that has been built. Let's not forget who removed support for insulation.

All are actually quite good policies for climate mitigation and public health tbf. But most people will hate them, so fair enough.

The insulation thing is just plain stupid. We have terrible insulation and improving it would save money! It's not even clear why Joe public won't like it.

I do think food and food processing is the next big health scandal at the level of smoking.

[shaggy]

Wanna buy some discount cladding?

No cash left, new Tesla arriving Monday!

How much is tesla and how much is the quote?

Edit: I've been amazed how much people spend on cars that depreciate quickly but not on their house.

Quote was air source pump, solar + storage, hot water system, external cladding and underfloor insulation for suspended wooden floors. Tesla is company scheme as the last one timed out and my other vehicle is not ULEZ compliant.

[tabascoboy]