The Official, one and only, Men's IRB Rugby World Cup 2023 thread
This is obviously a massive discussion and I don't want to derail this thread, but I will just state...inactionman wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 4:01 pm I know I keep rattling on about it, but it is a bugbear of mine - you don't manage risks simply by punishing transgression.
WRU and others have a duty of care to mitigate the risk of physical injury, and they're not really doing it regarding head knocks.
As analogy, it's no use someone in a factory sticking up a sign saying 'hot pipe - don't touch' and thinking that was their duty for that risk discharged. They need to actually prevent people touching the pipe - insulate it, place it away from where people walk, anything.
Of course, rugby is different and players accept some degree of risk, but the effects of repeated head knocks are debilitating and nothing has effectively changed to reduce that risk - except punishing transgression, which isn't completely effective.
I'll admit I'm not sure whether the instances of head shots have declined, maybe it has, but we're just focusing more upon the residuals. I don't know, but we've not finished the job.
...while I certainly won't hold myself out to be some great legal mind, neither I nor any of the other actual l*wyers on the bored when those lawsuits started getting filed thought they had a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding on the merits. I will give you points for a pretty thoughtful analogy, but (as you readily recognize) it is inapposite for obvious and critical reasons. (Conceding here that I don't know if the relevant British/Aussie/whatever law is the same as American law, but my understanding is that the law as to torts is generally the same across the Anglosphere, owing to our common origin).
This is of course to say nothing as to whether there is a moral argument to be made here. But if the argument is that we should be doing all of this to avoid legal repercussions down the road, I would advise people not to buy it.
Putting my cards on the table with respect to the bigger picture though, I just...really can't understand how others perceive this game, such that they think we can actually make rugby "safe" while still allowing players to play this game in a way that it makes sense to play it. To me, "let's make rugby safe" is only slightly more coherent than "let's make fire cold." I want to still have rugby. Nobody has to play if they think it's too dangerous.
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Insane_Homer
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that Chilean blonde in the crowd just won it for me. 
She inspired them, clearly.
TRY!
She inspired them, clearly.
TRY!
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Paddington Bear
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They’ve fully deserved that try
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
Just didn't want them to get nilled again!
The rise of Latin American rugby is going to do wonders for the rugby fanbase's babe quotient.Insane_Homer wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:42 pm that Chilean blonde in the crowd just won it for me.
She inspired them, clearly.
TRY!
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Paddington Bear
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Chile have been good value at their first world cup, I’m sure we’ll see them again.
Pains me to say it with my family connections but they’ve been far better value than the Canadians would have been as well
Pains me to say it with my family connections but they’ve been far better value than the Canadians would have been as well
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
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topofthemoon
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All 256 remaining permutations for Pool D at the 2023 RWC:
https://twitter.com/topofthemoonGW/stat ... 4040680792
This one can be simplified down massively.
England v Samoa is irrelevant - England finish first.
If Japan beat Argentina, Japan progress.
If Argentina beat Japan, Argentina progress.
If Japan and Argentina draw, Argentina progress unless Japan get a try BP and Argentina do not.
https://twitter.com/topofthemoonGW/stat ... 4040680792
This one can be simplified down massively.
England v Samoa is irrelevant - England finish first.
If Japan beat Argentina, Japan progress.
If Argentina beat Japan, Argentina progress.
If Japan and Argentina draw, Argentina progress unless Japan get a try BP and Argentina do not.
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Paddington Bear
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Georgia are so profligate
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
As if any more evidence was needed, the prop with the quick tap...
Fiji isn't good enough to coast through this, especially if they think they can just run over the Georgians. Say what will you will about the Lelos, but they don't mind physicality one bit.
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sockwithaticket
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Fiji have been far, far too casual and haven't shown enough respect to the Georgian defence.
Being proven very wrong about this one so far. Kudos, Georgia.
Being proven very wrong about this one so far. Kudos, Georgia.
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Half time team talk in the Fiji camp will be...interesting
It's very enjoyable but too many handling errors and poor plays.
Georgia do what Georgia do.
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Paddington Bear
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Georgia should be out of sight. Fiji look awful and completely shagged. Probably have another gear but not much sign thus far
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Fiji have been fucking horrendous tbfC69 wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:34 pmIt's very enjoyable but too many handling errors and poor plays.
Georgia do what Georgia do.