Kicking off in Israel

[Sandstorm]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism ... annot%20be

Reading the criticism, it's impressive that they are at fault for both being too close to the US government and its allies and for being too leftist/critical of Israel.

Accuracy and consistency doesn't matter when all you want to do is troll and "just ask questions...."

War in Israel is mind-blowingly exciting for DAC, he's probably like this in front of his PC:

[Tichtheid]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism ... annot%20be

Reading the criticism, it's impressive that they are at fault for both being too close to the US government and its allies and for being too leftist/critical of Israel.

For me it’s unfathomable how so many of the critics are the governments which HRW have found to be at fault.

[Simian]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism ... annot%20be

Reading the criticism, it's impressive that they are at fault for both being too close to the US government and its allies and for being too leftist/critical of Israel.

For me it’s unfathomable how so many of the critics are the governments which HRW have found to be at fault.

Prezactly. That a certain poster in this thread thinks that the info in that link means you should dismiss reporting by HRW out of hand says it all really, doesn’t it?

[Ymx]

Never heard of them before, but it doesn’t appear as though it has been based on any evidence other than an assertion. So let’s see what comes out.

Are there further details?

[Ymx]

This doesn’t look good

[dpedin]

Any comments on members of our own Scottish government writing in full support of Hamas and being one of the only governments not to make a gesture of solidarity with Israel?

Eh?


To: Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs, James Cleverly
From: First Minister Humza Yousaf

I am writing concerning the horrific terrorist attacks carried out by Hamas over the weekend, and the escalating conflict in Israel and Gaza.

The Scottish Government and I unequivocally condemn the abhorrent terrorist actions of Hamas. Israel – like any other country – has a right to protect itself and its citizens from terror.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/israe ... overnment/

Sorry, that was worded very badly indeed by me. Humza has been excellent in all this to be very fair, particularly given his immediate personal connection.

I was referring to people like Maggie Chapman, Green MSP, so part of the government, writing things about Israel had it coming to them and the Scottish Parliament refusing to fly a flag when they have done it for just about every other atrocity around the world. It was in response to Dpedins usual schtick.

Ironically this is exactly the sort of stuff I was suggesting we needed to avoid - this hyping up of minor/incidental things for party political point scoring during a humanitarian crisis. She is not a member of the Scottish Gov. She tweeted about the 'context' within which the terrorist attack took place and has subsequently apologised for the tweet and clarified what she meant by it - see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-67087193. She is a bit of a twat and got it very badly wrong but in no way represents the views of the Scottish Gov, nor even those of the Green Party, as was initially claimed by Slick - for which he has now apologised. No one is defending her. Social media is awash with numerous and equally stupid tweets, falsehoods, made up videos, etc from all sorts of actors who are only interested in trying to promote their own world views and politics.

The UK Gov just need to ensure everyone calms down, the leadership and messaging needs to be clear and marginalises anyone who holds extreme views or who wants to take unacceptable action in the UK. As difficult as it might be for the likes of Braverman et al, they need to ensure every ethnic minority is protected and supported equally in the UK and that the UK will not tolerate any of the extreme views or actions from the current crisis spilling over into the UK. We need calm and collective leadership from them and other political leaders. Instead of made up rows coming from politicians about the FA projecting the colours of Israel on Wembley, of the BBC calling Hamas terrorists or not or confected anger about a tweet from a MSP that no-one has heard of before it would be nice to see some national discussion and actions around humanitarian aid to the region and taking serious action to support the men, women and children who are being injured and dying in their thousands.

The US and UK plus others have made it clear that no other country/group in the ME should think about entering the fray and have made it clear that no other country should 'take advantage' of the situation to strike against Israel - this is absolutely right to avoid a serious escalation. The show of military strength from both plus others is a clear demonstration of how serious they take the risks.

As I said earlier the barbaric terrorism by Hamas and the atrocities they inflicted are just inhuman and dreadful and they must be hunted down and prosecuted. These actions have rightfully been condemned and we all agree Israel should hunt down the perpetrators of these actions. However the enforced movement of over a million Gaza citizens in 24 hours which is just not possible and who have nowhere to go and to inflict a medieval siege of Gaza by turning off power, water and food to a captive population is equally dreadful and the deaths of many, many civilians is not going to achieve anything other than more hatred and conflict for years to come. Neither of these views are mutually exclusive.

[David in Gwent]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism ... annot%20be

Reading the criticism, it's impressive that they are at fault for both being too close to the US government and its allies and for being too leftist/critical of Israel.

For me it’s unfathomable how so many of the critics are the governments which HRW have found to be at fault.

The reason why you'd never heard of the Soros funded HRW before today, any of you, is that no one ever uses them for evidence, for anything.....and check you guys out defending it. Classic.

[David in Gwent]

Reading the criticism, it's impressive that they are at fault for both being too close to the US government and its allies and for being too leftist/critical of Israel.

For me it’s unfathomable how so many of the critics are the governments which HRW have found to be at fault.

Prezactly. That a certain poster in this thread thinks that the info in that link means you should dismiss reporting by HRW out of hand says it all really, doesn’t it?

It's literally a photo of what could be PR. There's no other evidence to back up their claim, it's just their say so. You'd be dismissing it if it went against your narrative, you're a hypocrite.

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[David in Gwent]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism ... annot%20be

Reading the criticism, it's impressive that they are at fault for both being too close to the US government and its allies and for being too leftist/critical of Israel.

Accuracy and consistency doesn't matter when all you want to do is troll and "just ask questions...."

War in Israel is mind-blowingly exciting for DAC, he's probably like this in front of his PC:

Don't worry son, it's Covid season soon, you can get a few boosters, dust off the old mask, get the testing kits ready......you'll be like a pig in shit!

[Tichtheid]

The reason why you'd never heard of the Soros funded HRW before today, any of you,

Wrong again.

[David in Gwent]

The reason why you'd never heard of the Soros funded HRW before today, any of you,

Wrong again.

ha ha, ok, whatever.

[Simian]

The reason why you'd never heard of the Soros funded HRW before today, any of you,

Wrong again.

Likewise

[David in Gwent]

The reason why you'd never heard of the Soros funded HRW before today, any of you,

Wrong again.

Likewise

Thanks for the further chortle.

[Simian]

Wrong again.

Likewise

Thanks for the further chortle.

You’re making a fool of yourself, love. Again.

[David in Gwent]

Likewise

Thanks for the further chortle.

You’re making a fool of yourself, love. Again.

I can sense the frustration in a lot of you that the IDF did not use PG. It's OK, stay strong, there's still a chance they could use it. Those of you that know (none of you) the IDF promised not to use it again but reserved the right for "exceptional situations"

Seriously, a poster posted a link of a war crime, the link has NO evidence just a photo, and all you can do is defend the publication.

It's starting to smell of a bit of AS in here, even if it's the unconscious bias kind of AS.

[Simian]

Thanks for the further chortle.

You’re making a fool of yourself, love. Again.

I can sense the frustration in a lot of you that the IDF did not use PG. It's OK, stay strong, there's still a chance they could use it. Those of you that know (none of you) the IDF promised not to use it again but reserved the right for "exceptional situations"

Seriously, a poster posted a link of a war crime, the link has NO evidence just a photo, and all you can do is defend the publication.

It's starting to smell of a bit of AS in here, even if it's the unconscious bias kind of AS.

I’m not saying anything of the sort you’ve outlined.

You’re the one who responded to HRW claim with a chortle.

The only one who’s blindly made up their mind about what the facts are on this seems to be you. Again.

[David in Gwent]

You’re making a fool of yourself, love. Again.

I can sense the frustration in a lot of you that the IDF did not use PG. It's OK, stay strong, there's still a chance they could use it. Those of you that know (none of you) the IDF promised not to use it again but reserved the right for "exceptional situations"

Seriously, a poster posted a link of a war crime, the link has NO evidence just a photo, and all you can do is defend the publication.

It's starting to smell of a bit of AS in here, even if it's the unconscious bias kind of AS.

I’m not saying anything of the sort you’ve outlined.

You’re the one who responded to HRW claim with a chortle.

The only one who’s blindly made up their mind about what the facts are on this seems to be you. Again.

I responded with a chortle because you said you were familiar with the organisation. I haven't blindly made my mind up about anything, mainly because there's no fucking evidence other than a photo. Seriously, I think you think I'm a bit thick but in reality, you've got comprehension skills of a small lump of Red Leicester cheese.

[Tichtheid]

I can sense the frustration in a lot of you that the IDF did not use PG. It's OK, stay strong, there's still a chance they could use it. Those of you that know (none of you) the IDF promised not to use it again but reserved the right for "exceptional situations"

Seriously, a poster posted a link of a war crime, the link has NO evidence just a photo, and all you can do is defend the publication.

It's starting to smell of a bit of AS in here, even if it's the unconscious bias kind of AS.

I’m not saying anything of the sort you’ve outlined.

You’re the one who responded to HRW claim with a chortle.

The only one who’s blindly made up their mind about what the facts are on this seems to be you. Again.

I responded with a chortle because you said you were familiar with the organisation. I haven't blindly made my mind up about anything, mainly because there's no fucking evidence other than a photo. Seriously, I think you think I'm a bit thick but in reality, you've got comprehension skills of a small lump of Red Leicester cheese.

Just once, can you please stop making the thread about you?

[robmatic]

Reading the criticism, it's impressive that they are at fault for both being too close to the US government and its allies and for being too leftist/critical of Israel.

For me it’s unfathomable how so many of the critics are the governments which HRW have found to be at fault.

The reason why you'd never heard of the Soros funded HRW before today, any of you, is that no one ever uses them for evidence, for anything.....and check you guys out defending it. Classic.

Oh, so it's that kind of half-baked conspiracy theorism.

[Tichtheid]

Eh?


To: Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs, James Cleverly
From: First Minister Humza Yousaf



https://www.gov.scot/publications/israe ... overnment/

Sorry, that was worded very badly indeed by me. Humza has been excellent in all this to be very fair, particularly given his immediate personal connection.

I was referring to people like Maggie Chapman, Green MSP, so part of the government, writing things about Israel had it coming to them and the Scottish Parliament refusing to fly a flag when they have done it for just about every other atrocity around the world. It was in response to Dpedins usual schtick.

Ironically this is exactly the sort of stuff I was suggesting we needed to avoid - this hyping up of minor/incidental things for party political point scoring during a humanitarian crisis. She is not a member of the Scottish Gov. She tweeted about the 'context' within which the terrorist attack took place and has subsequently apologised for the tweet and clarified what she meant by it - see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-67087193. She is a bit of a twat and got it very badly wrong but in no way represents the views of the Scottish Gov, nor even those of the Green Party, as was initially claimed by Slick - for which he has now apologised. No one is defending her. Social media is awash with numerous and equally stupid tweets, falsehoods, made up videos, etc from all sorts of actors who are only interested in trying to promote their own world views and politics.

The UK Gov just need to ensure everyone calms down, the leadership and messaging needs to be clear and marginalises anyone who holds extreme views or who wants to take unacceptable action in the UK. As difficult as it might be for the likes of Braverman et al, they need to ensure every ethnic minority is protected and supported equally in the UK and that the UK will not tolerate any of the extreme views or actions from the current crisis spilling over into the UK. We need calm and collective leadership from them and other political leaders. Instead of made up rows coming from politicians about the FA projecting the colours of Israel on Wembley, of the BBC calling Hamas terrorists or not or confected anger about a tweet from a MSP that no-one has heard of before it would be nice to see some national discussion and actions around humanitarian aid to the region and taking serious action to support the men, women and children who are being injured and dying in their thousands.

The US and UK plus others have made it clear that no other country/group in the ME should think about entering the fray and have made it clear that no other country should 'take advantage' of the situation to strike against Israel - this is absolutely right to avoid a serious escalation. The show of military strength from both plus others is a clear demonstration of how serious they take the risks.

As I said earlier the barbaric terrorism by Hamas and the atrocities they inflicted are just inhuman and dreadful and they must be hunted down and prosecuted. These actions have rightfully been condemned and we all agree Israel should hunt down the perpetrators of these actions. However the enforced movement of over a million Gaza citizens in 24 hours which is just not possible and who have nowhere to go and to inflict a medieval siege of Gaza by turning off power, water and food to a captive population is equally dreadful and the deaths of many, many civilians is not going to achieve anything other than more hatred and conflict for years to come. Neither of these views are mutually exclusive.

Good post

[dpedin]

Reading the criticism, it's impressive that they are at fault for both being too close to the US government and its allies and for being too leftist/critical of Israel.

Accuracy and consistency doesn't matter when all you want to do is troll and "just ask questions...."

War in Israel is mind-blowingly exciting for DAC, he's probably like this in front of his PC:

Don't worry son, it's Covid season soon, you can get a few boosters, dust off the old mask, get the testing kits ready......you'll be like a pig in shit!

You are right - we are in early stages of covid season/wave again with October seeing a rise in hospital admissions due to covid. Fortunately the warm weather has meant that spread has been limited. Since you ask I have already had my covid and flu boosters a few weeks ago. Funnily enough just signed up again with the ONS and UKHSA as a volunteer for their Winter Covid Infection Study. As before I will provide LFTs, blood samples and questionnaires regularly to help with monitoring of covid over the winter. It's good to see science taking the lead.

[David in Gwent]

I’m not saying anything of the sort you’ve outlined.

You’re the one who responded to HRW claim with a chortle.

The only one who’s blindly made up their mind about what the facts are on this seems to be you. Again.

I responded with a chortle because you said you were familiar with the organisation. I haven't blindly made my mind up about anything, mainly because there's no fucking evidence other than a photo. Seriously, I think you think I'm a bit thick but in reality, you've got comprehension skills of a small lump of Red Leicester cheese.

Just once, can you please stop making the thread about you?

Just once, can you grow up and realise I'm responding to posts directed at me or that have quoted me.

You're actually the most guilty clown in making "this thread about me" with your weird, creepy observational posts.

[Simian]

I can sense the frustration in a lot of you that the IDF did not use PG. It's OK, stay strong, there's still a chance they could use it. Those of you that know (none of you) the IDF promised not to use it again but reserved the right for "exceptional situations"

Seriously, a poster posted a link of a war crime, the link has NO evidence just a photo, and all you can do is defend the publication.

It's starting to smell of a bit of AS in here, even if it's the unconscious bias kind of AS.

I’m not saying anything of the sort you’ve outlined.

You’re the one who responded to HRW claim with a chortle.

The only one who’s blindly made up their mind about what the facts are on this seems to be you. Again.

I responded with a chortle because you said you were familiar with the organisation. I haven't blindly made my mind up about anything, mainly because there's no fucking evidence other than a photo. Seriously, I think you think I'm a bit thick but in reality, you've got comprehension skills of a small lump of Red Leicester cheese.

I was referring to this

HRW? Fucks sake......

And of course I’ve heard of them before. I’ve read reports they’ve submitted to Scottish Government as part of their consultation process for potential policy changes.

[David in Gwent]

Accuracy and consistency doesn't matter when all you want to do is troll and "just ask questions...."

War in Israel is mind-blowingly exciting for DAC, he's probably like this in front of his PC:

Don't worry son, it's Covid season soon, you can get a few boosters, dust off the old mask, get the testing kits ready......you'll be like a pig in shit!

You are right - we are in early stages of covid season/wave again with October seeing a rise in hospital admissions due to covid. Fortunately the warm weather has meant that spread has been limited. Since you ask I have already had my covid and flu boosters a few weeks ago. Funnily enough just signed up again with the ONS and UKHSA as a volunteer for their Winter Covid Infection Study. As before I will provide LFTs, blood samples and questionnaires regularly to help with monitoring of covid over the winter. It's good to see science taking the lead.

[Tichtheid]

That'll be a "no" then.

[David in Gwent]

I’m not saying anything of the sort you’ve outlined.

You’re the one who responded to HRW claim with a chortle.

The only one who’s blindly made up their mind about what the facts are on this seems to be you. Again.

I responded with a chortle because you said you were familiar with the organisation. I haven't blindly made my mind up about anything, mainly because there's no fucking evidence other than a photo. Seriously, I think you think I'm a bit thick but in reality, you've got comprehension skills of a small lump of Red Leicester cheese.

I was referring to this

quote="David in Gwent" post_id=317903 time=1697189410 user_id=2264]
HRW? Fucks sake......

And of course I’ve heard of them before. I’ve read reports they’ve submitted to Scottish Government as part of their consultation process for potential policy changes.
[/quote]

Ah, fantastic, can you link some of the reports?

[Tichtheid]

And of course I’ve heard of them before. I’ve read reports they’ve submitted to Scottish Government as part of their consultation process for potential policy changes.

I've read a lot of their output over the years due to the common ground they share with Amnesty International.

[David in Gwent]

For the record, each to their own, I don't care if you've had 1 vaccines or 50, that's on you, however, if you're going to come at me, bro, I'm going to respond. I've said nothing outrageous on this thread or anything to warrant the constant personal abuse.

[dpedin]

Don't worry son, it's Covid season soon, you can get a few boosters, dust off the old mask, get the testing kits ready......you'll be like a pig in shit!

You are right - we are in early stages of covid season/wave again with October seeing a rise in hospital admissions due to covid. Fortunately the warm weather has meant that spread has been limited. Since you ask I have already had my covid and flu boosters a few weeks ago. Funnily enough just signed up again with the ONS and UKHSA as a volunteer for their Winter Covid Infection Study. As before I will provide LFTs, blood samples and questionnaires regularly to help with monitoring of covid over the winter. It's good to see science taking the lead.

That cartoon tells me a lot about you - you don't really understand what the vaccines do, do you?

[David in Gwent]

You are right - we are in early stages of covid season/wave again with October seeing a rise in hospital admissions due to covid. Fortunately the warm weather has meant that spread has been limited. Since you ask I have already had my covid and flu boosters a few weeks ago. Funnily enough just signed up again with the ONS and UKHSA as a volunteer for their Winter Covid Infection Study. As before I will provide LFTs, blood samples and questionnaires regularly to help with monitoring of covid over the winter. It's good to see science taking the lead.

That cartoon tells me a lot about you - you don't really understand what the vaccines do, do you?

Make a very small amount of people very rich?

[David in Gwent]

Hamas Statement:

13 Oct. 2023

Press release

We adamantly reject to be expelled from our homes once again.

We will resist Israel’s attempt to ethnically cleanse Gaza.

Our unwavering determination is to resist Israel’s pursuit of ethnic cleansing in Gaza, firmly resolved to prevent a second Nakba from unfolding.

The current developments in Gaza represent an extraordinarily audacious and brutal endeavor to forcibly remove the Palestinian indigenous people from their land.

Israel has publicly declared its plan to commit genocide against Palestinians.

The Zionist entity, supported by Western governments, has conducted a war of intense bombardment, releasing more than 6,000 bombs upon Gaza within the past week.

Nearly 500 children have been tragically killed as a result of the intense bombardment, carried out by the Zionist entity.

They have targeted mosques, a church, educational institutions, residences, and medical facilities with bombings, yet it is our people who are erroneously branded as terrorists.

Today, we have seen the mobilization of millions in the Arab and Muslim world, extending their support to the courageous Palestinians in Gaza.

We express our heartfelt gratitude for their solidarity and implore them to continue, urging them to march to the borders and play their part in this historic juncture that promises the restoration of our freedom and the dignity of all Arabs and Muslims.

To our allies living in western countries, the free noble people of those societies.

You too have a role to play, to pressure your governments to abandon their support to Netanyahu and his fascist government.

To correct the lies of the media, lift this barbaric siege on our people.

Yes what the Zionists are doing is inhumane, it is unprecedented, it is barbaric and contravenes all the laws and treaties that the so-called free and democratic countries claim they believe in.

But our resolve is unbreakable. We will not surrender our legitimate fight for freedom and self-determination. We will either live standing tall or we will die fighting.

Izzat Alrisheq
Member of the political bureau of Hamas

[Guy Smiley]

That cartoon tells me a lot about you - you don't really understand what the vaccines do, do you?

Make a very small amount of people very rich?

Ah yes...

the George Soros Bill Gates nexus.

[Ymx]

I’m not saying anything of the sort you’ve outlined.

You’re the one who responded to HRW claim with a chortle.

The only one who’s blindly made up their mind about what the facts are on this seems to be you. Again.

I responded with a chortle because you said you were familiar with the organisation. I haven't blindly made my mind up about anything, mainly because there's no fucking evidence other than a photo. Seriously, I think you think I'm a bit thick but in reality, you've got comprehension skills of a small lump of Red Leicester cheese.

Just once, can you please stop making the thread about you?

That’s a ridiculous assertion. Everyone else has been trying to make it about him, including yourself.

[Tichtheid]

I responded with a chortle because you said you were familiar with the organisation. I haven't blindly made my mind up about anything, mainly because there's no fucking evidence other than a photo. Seriously, I think you think I'm a bit thick but in reality, you've got comprehension skills of a small lump of Red Leicester cheese.

Just once, can you please stop making the thread about you?

That’s a ridiculous assertion. Everyone else has been trying to make it about him, including yourself.

The part I made about him was pointing out how he was making it all about himself.

I don't have the history that others have with him from PR, but seemingly this is nothing new. In the three years I've been on this forum I think people are generally treated how they treat others and the forum itself.

[Slick]

For the record, each to their own, I don't care if you've had 1 vaccines or 50, that's on you, however, if you're going to come at me, bro, I'm going to respond. I've said nothing outrageous on this thread or anything to warrant the constant personal abuse.

you brought vaccines up a few pages ago from absolutely nowhere! As I said previously, doesn’t matter the thread you’ll bring it round to something you have been reading weird websites about. Every time.

This thread is an absolute gimme for you but you’ve still managed to weave in Trump and vaccines

[Ymx]

TH:

I didn’t interact with him on the other forum.

However the other place did enjoy the personal attacks, lefty pile ons, prolific use of the words fascist, bigot, Nazi.

So forgive me if I’m not using that as a useful gauge.

[Tichtheid]

TH:

I didn’t interact with him on the other forum.

However the other place did enjoy the personal attacks, lefty pile ons, prolific use of the words fascist, bigot, Nazi.

So forgive me if I’m not using that as a useful precedent.

I was just saying how I perceive things are panning out, Slick, that lefty firebrand, has just confirmed it again.

[David in Gwent]

For the record, each to their own, I don't care if you've had 1 vaccines or 50, that's on you, however, if you're going to come at me, bro, I'm going to respond. I've said nothing outrageous on this thread or anything to warrant the constant personal abuse.

you brought vaccines up a few pages ago from absolutely nowhere! As I said previously, doesn’t matter the thread you’ll bring it round to something you have been reading weird websites about. Every time.

This thread is an absolute gimme for you but you’ve still managed to weave in Trump and vaccines

The poster in question and I have a previous history. He had a go at me, I had a go at him, I used vaccines to have a go at him We used to get on fairly well back in the day but things change.

[sockwithaticket]

Yeah, can we just commit to ignoring him? He's the kind of far right conspiracy loon who will eat up all the oxygen in the room if you engage.

[David in Gwent]

Yeah, can we just commit to ignoring him? He's the kind of far right conspiracy loon who will eat up all the oxygen in the room if you engage.

Sensible policies for a better bored. I am so down with that, anyone that wants to engage can engage but I could do without people being wankers for no real reason other than wanting to be a wanker.

If you need help finding the ignore function, just ask.