RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
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Defamation proceedings would suggest the accusations are untrue…
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If they're not going to charge Bongi, they need to explicitly state he's innocent too.assfly wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:45 am The more I read that press release from the RFU, the worse it gets.
SARU should take them to court. It's defamation.
World Rugby should also demand they take that statement down, it basically undermines their own processes.
SARU legal team apparently shut the circus down, they need to keep going.
There's no evidence it is true. So RFU need to STFU and move on.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:56 am Defamation proceedings would suggest the accusations are untrue…
No no, remember 2022 that urgently needs to be brought up after England lose a semi final to the Boks?!Sandstorm wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:01 amThere's no evidence it is true. So RFU need to STFU and move on.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:56 am Defamation proceedings would suggest the accusations are untrue…
I think its that England, and everyone else in the entire world that isn't South African, are trying to destabilise the team ahead of the final. This seems to be the only reasonable reason for England pursuing it. I for one am convinced that straight after the game on Saturday the players, coaches and RFU got in a circle and brainstormed ways to put the Boks off their stride for the final.
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The RFU have asked for it to be heard at an open hearing to ascertain the truth, is that so unreasonable? Fuck me there’s been some strange reactions to thisSandstorm wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:01 amThere's no evidence it is true. So RFU need to STFU and move on.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:56 am Defamation proceedings would suggest the accusations are untrue…
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my god, you are so witty and funnySlick wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:20 amI think its that England, and everyone else in the entire world that isn't South African, are trying to destabilise the team ahead of the final. This seems to be the only reasonable reason for England pursuing it. I for one am convinced that straight after the game on Saturday the players, coaches and RFU got in a circle and brainstormed ways to put the Boks off their stride for the final.
What is it then?Calculon wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:23 ammy god, you are so witty and funnySlick wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:20 amI think its that England, and everyone else in the entire world that isn't South African, are trying to destabilise the team ahead of the final. This seems to be the only reasonable reason for England pursuing it. I for one am convinced that straight after the game on Saturday the players, coaches and RFU got in a circle and brainstormed ways to put the Boks off their stride for the final.
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English rugby is in decline. Sort those issues before you start looking at other sides in the world.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:23 amThe RFU have asked for it to be heard at an open hearing to ascertain the truth, is that so unreasonable? Fuck me there’s been some strange reactions to thisSandstorm wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:01 amThere's no evidence it is true. So RFU need to STFU and move on.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:56 am Defamation proceedings would suggest the accusations are untrue…
World Rugby has said their is no evidence. What is there to discuss?Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:23 am The RFU have asked for it to be heard at an open hearing to ascertain the truth, is that so unreasonable? Fuck me there’s been some strange reactions to this
Even so, why not take it up privately with World Rugby?
Their statement is filled with emotion. They are publicly accusing the Springbok vica-captain of being a racist.
that the rfu are a bunch of cunts for insisting that bongi is 100% guiltySlick wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:26 amWhat is it then?Calculon wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:23 ammy god, you are so witty and funnySlick wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:20 am
I think its that England, and everyone else in the entire world that isn't South African, are trying to destabilise the team ahead of the final. This seems to be the only reasonable reason for England pursuing it. I for one am convinced that straight after the game on Saturday the players, coaches and RFU got in a circle and brainstormed ways to put the Boks off their stride for the final.
Willie on his celebration run from so deep he started in the Strand:
"It was just emotion, I think I had the same emotion as everyone back home, I was excited the margins in those big games are so small, I just jumped up out of emotion of happiness as we just got through a World Cup semi-final".
Kwagga has a brilliant line for some of you that are always on our threads bitching and moaning:
"We don't play for people to respect us, we play for each other and we play for South Africa so they can be proud of us".
"It was just emotion, I think I had the same emotion as everyone back home, I was excited the margins in those big games are so small, I just jumped up out of emotion of happiness as we just got through a World Cup semi-final".
Kwagga has a brilliant line for some of you that are always on our threads bitching and moaning:
"We don't play for people to respect us, we play for each other and we play for South Africa so they can be proud of us".
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Not that I think it’s massively emotional, but one of our players reported being racially abused and in response he’s receiving death threats! So they could be forgiven for being emotional if they were.assfly wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:28 amWorld Rugby has said their is no evidence. What is there to discuss?Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:23 am The RFU have asked for it to be heard at an open hearing to ascertain the truth, is that so unreasonable? Fuck me there’s been some strange reactions to this
Even so, why not take it up privately with World Rugby?
Their statement is filled with emotion. They are publicly accusing the Springbok vica-captain of being a racist.
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
Curry's online abuse is awful, but our players have also been on the receiving end of death threats too.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:34 am Not that I think it’s massively emotional, but one of our players reported being racially abused and in response he’s receiving death threats! So they could be forgiven for being emotional if they were.
As for being emotional, as you know South Africa has a serious history when it comes to racism that still exists today. It was bad enough that Bongi was accused of this in the first place when it was clear there was a language issue, but for the RFU to come out and double down on the accusation, despite being exonerated by World Rugby, is quite frankly disgusting.
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Forget it. The English has write us off since 1900. They wont even make an excuse for their misstake.assfly wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:39 amCurry's online abuse is awful, but our players have also been on the receiving end of death threats too.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:34 am Not that I think it’s massively emotional, but one of our players reported being racially abused and in response he’s receiving death threats! So they could be forgiven for being emotional if they were.
As for being emotional, as you know South Africa has a serious history when it comes to racism that still exists today. It was bad enough that Bongi was accused of this in the first place when it was clear there was a language issue, but for the RFU to come out and double down on the accusation, despite being exonerated by World Rugby, is quite frankly disgusting.
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Is it clear? Both alleged incidents seem to have been off the ball, where the language explanation makes less sense.assfly wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:39 amCurry's online abuse is awful, but our players have also been on the receiving end of death threats too.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:34 am Not that I think it’s massively emotional, but one of our players reported being racially abused and in response he’s receiving death threats! So they could be forgiven for being emotional if they were.
As for being emotional, as you know South Africa has a serious history when it comes to racism that still exists today. It was bad enough that Bongi was accused of this in the first place when it was clear there was a language issue, but for the RFU to come out and double down on the accusation, despite being exonerated by World Rugby, is quite frankly disgusting.
Maybe Curry did make all of this up, but if he's actually sure himself that it happened, I can understand any frustration at the lack of a formal panel/ interview etc, Even if the end result may be the same.
So should we move our death threats from Curry and his family to some RFU folk?
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They are really doubling down with that statement, aren't they?assfly wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:45 am The more I read that press release from the RFU, the worse it gets.
SARU should take them to court. It's defamation.
World Rugby should also demand they take that statement down, it basically undermines their own processes.
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It seems Curry is a spiv.
Not sure you've quite grasped what the word spiv means.
I think it's clear. The Boks are screaming kant in every game. I find it extremely hard to believe that our vice captain would use a racial slur, especially when everything can be heard these days.Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:46 am Is it clear? Both alleged incidents seem to have been off the ball, where the language explanation makes less sense.
Maybe Curry did make all of this up, but if he's actually sure himself that it happened, I can understand any frustration at the lack of a formal panel/ interview etc, Even if the end result may be the same.
Also, he is surrounded by white players, why would he use a racial slur? It's like one of the Fijian players making a nasty comment about Tuilagi's heritage, it's non-sensical.
The RFU may feel frustrated, but there is a way of dealing with that. Issuing a public statement declaring our vice captain a racist is not the way to do it.
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Because if it goes that far, then regardless of the final result, Bongi will have to carry this stain around forever. Make it an official hearing and he's toast.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:23 amThe RFU have asked for it to be heard at an open hearing to ascertain the truth, is that so unreasonable? Fuck me there’s been some strange reactions to thisSandstorm wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:01 amThere's no evidence it is true. So RFU need to STFU and move on.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:56 am Defamation proceedings would suggest the accusations are untrue…
It's 2023 and this kind of shit is always blown waaay out of proportion (see, I'm doing it now!!). Someone needs to tell the RFU to harden the fuck up and move on. For the good of everyone & the Game.
Besides, if the Boks win or lose on Saturday, Rarsie will just tell the Hearing Committee to piss off and SARU won't release Bongi to attend anyway.

I actually agree with most of this. Just the last bit is open to disagreement, if Curry really does think he had it aimed at him over 2 games then you have to expect the RFU to back him.assfly wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:55 amI think it's clear. The Boks are screaming kant in every game. I find it extremely hard to believe that our vice captain would use a racial slur, especially when everything can be heard these days.Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:46 am Is it clear? Both alleged incidents seem to have been off the ball, where the language explanation makes less sense.
Maybe Curry did make all of this up, but if he's actually sure himself that it happened, I can understand any frustration at the lack of a formal panel/ interview etc, Even if the end result may be the same.
Also, he is surrounded by white players, why would he use a racial slur? It's like one of the Fijian players making a nasty comment about Tuilagi's heritage, it's non-sensical.
The RFU may feel frustrated, but there is a way of dealing with that. Issuing a public statement declaring our vice captain a racist is not the way to do it.
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Then take it up with World Rugby directly through an appeal process.Slick wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:58 am I actually agree with most of this. Just the last bit is open to disagreement, if Curry really does think he had it aimed at him over 2 games then you have to expect the RFU to back him.
I think their (understandable) anger of the abuse towards Curry has clouded their public response, which maybe could have waited another day or two.
They're undermining World Rugby's independent disciplinary process with their statement.assfly wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:55 am The RFU may feel frustrated, but there is a way of dealing with that. Issuing a public statement declaring our vice captain a racist is not the way to do it.
This is the exact "destroying spirit of the game" stuff South Africans are accused of being solely responsible for. It's much like attacking the ref.
Hilarious. I wonder where this goes next.

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Both here and on reddit it is bizarre seeing some Saffas so incapable of grasping why the same thing happening with the same two players the last time these teams played might be relevant to an allegation being made the next time it happens._Os_ wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:03 amNo no, remember 2022 that urgently needs to be brought up after England lose a semi final to the Boks?!Sandstorm wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:01 amThere's no evidence it is true. So RFU need to STFU and move on.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:56 am Defamation proceedings would suggest the accusations are untrue…
It's just as weird as the suggestion or implication that this is being done to try and disrupt SA's prep for a final and not simply an issue being raised as and when it occurred. When would you like it to be brought up? Because if Curry and the RFU waited until after the final I'm sure some of you would be castigating both for trying to rain on your parade/rub salt into the wounds depending on the outcome and/or questioning why it wasn't raised at the time.
If it happened and it's serious stuff etc, then why not bring it when it happened.sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:18 amBoth here and on reddit it is bizarre seeing some Saffas so incapable of grasping why the same thing happening with the same two players the last time these teams played might be relevant to an allegation being made the next time it happens.
It's just as weird as the suggestion or implication that this is being done to try and disrupt SA's prep for a final and not simply an issue being raised as and when it occurred. When would you like it to be brought up? Because if Curry and the RFU waited until after the final I'm sure some of you would be castigating both for trying to rain on your parade/rub salt into the wounds depending on the outcome and/or questioning why it wasn't raised at the time.
It looks incredibly bad to being it up after losing a RWC semi, and to come with no evidence.
You lot would be going ape shit if SARU were doing this and accusing one of your players of racism without evidence. Absolutely none of us would want to be accused of racism in their workplace without there even being any evidence to action anything, but with those accusations somehow still standing and being supported by those in more powerful positions.
Yes, yes that's clearly what I'm saying. Well done
Seems Curry got it incorrect twice in 12 months. Hope he apologises for being wrong and a wet lettuce.sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:18 am
Both here and on reddit it is bizarre seeing some Saffas so incapable of grasping why the same thing happening with the same two players the last time these teams played might be relevant to an allegation being made the next time it happens.
From the plaintiff? I think you'll need someone else too, mate.
Can we all stop being so innocent as to pretend that Rassie wouldn't play on wyt kant sounding like white cunt, and encourage his players to shout it loud and often? I mean the RFU have taken the bait obviously, but let's be clear, Rassie is a wyt kant.
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Once can be written off as misinterpretation, heat of the moment, not worth it etc., but if you believe someone has racially abused you twice in two games then of course you're going to bring it up._Os_ wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:23 amIf it happened and it's serious stuff etc, then why not bring it when it happened.sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:18 amBoth here and on reddit it is bizarre seeing some Saffas so incapable of grasping why the same thing happening with the same two players the last time these teams played might be relevant to an allegation being made the next time it happens._Os_ wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:03 am
No no, remember 2022 that urgently needs to be brought up after England lose a semi final to the Boks?!
It's just as weird as the suggestion or implication that this is being done to try and disrupt SA's prep for a final and not simply an issue being raised as and when it occurred. When would you like it to be brought up? Because if Curry and the RFU waited until after the final I'm sure some of you would be castigating both for trying to rain on your parade/rub salt into the wounds depending on the outcome and/or questioning why it wasn't raised at the time.
It looks incredibly bad to being it up after losing a RWC semi, and to come with no evidence.
You lot would be going ape shit if SARU were doing this and accusing one of your players of racism without evidence. Absolutely none of us would want to be accused of racism in their workplace without there even being any evidence to action anything, but with those accusations somehow still standing and being supported by those in more powerful positions.
Again, when would you like all this to be raised if it can't be done so immediately after it happened? In 3 months when the world cup is completely in the rear view? Curry raised it in the game and pursued it afterwards. That is entirely right and proper. He and the RFU clearly felt there was enough evidence to support, World Rugby disagree. That's not the same thing as being without evidence.
'Shut up if you don't think you can prove it' is certainly an interesting approach. Basically carte blanche for anything goes if players are fairly certain they're sufficiently far from the ref mic or obscured from cameras.
People would be less dismissive if it was raised at the time. Not a year later after losing a RWC semi.sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:34 amOnce can be written off as misinterpretation, heat of the moment, not worth it etc., but if you believe someone has racially abused you twice in two games then of course you're going to bring it up._Os_ wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:23 amIf it happened and it's serious stuff etc, then why not bring it when it happened.sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:18 am
Both here and on reddit it is bizarre seeing some Saffas so incapable of grasping why the same thing happening with the same two players the last time these teams played might be relevant to an allegation being made the next time it happens.
It's just as weird as the suggestion or implication that this is being done to try and disrupt SA's prep for a final and not simply an issue being raised as and when it occurred. When would you like it to be brought up? Because if Curry and the RFU waited until after the final I'm sure some of you would be castigating both for trying to rain on your parade/rub salt into the wounds depending on the outcome and/or questioning why it wasn't raised at the time.
It looks incredibly bad to being it up after losing a RWC semi, and to come with no evidence.
You lot would be going ape shit if SARU were doing this and accusing one of your players of racism without evidence. Absolutely none of us would want to be accused of racism in their workplace without there even being any evidence to action anything, but with those accusations somehow still standing and being supported by those in more powerful positions.
Again, when would you like all this to be raised if it can't be done so immediately after it happened? In 3 months when the world cup is completely in the rear view? Curry raised it in the game and pursued it afterwards. That is entirely right and proper. He and the RFU clearly felt there was enough evidence to support, World Rugby disagree. That's not the same thing as being without evidence.
'Shut up if you don't think you can prove it' is certainly an interesting approach. Basically carte blanche for anything goes if players are fairly certain they're sufficiently far from the ref mic or obscured from cameras.
There isn't the evidence to charge Bongi with anything. That is a fact.
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