Does a god exist?..

[TB63]

So, does one?

[laurent]

Not as far as I am concerned

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If there is one he is an arse

[Tichtheid]

Those saying no have never tasted a cask strength Talisker 20 year old single malt whisky

[TB63]

Those saying no have never tasted a cask strength Talisker 20 year old single malt whisky

What, if like me, you detest whisky?..

Rum though......

[Insane_Homer]

[Biffer]

Those saying no have never tasted a cask strength Talisker 20 year old single malt whisky

Don’t deny the genius of humanity. We make our own gods.

[Tichtheid]

Those saying no have never tasted a cask strength Talisker 20 year old single malt whisky

Don’t deny the genius of humanity. We make our own gods.

It was meant as a light hearted quip. For whisky you can substitute any art or craft as you see fit.

I was brought up in the Kirk and you can take the laddie out the Kirk etc..

However, the way I look on it all is from something I read on the back of a Jethro Tull album of all things. It said, "In the beginning, Man created God in his own image"

But, you never know, I'm more agnostic than atheist, probably because of my childhood.

[sockwithaticket]

If so, it's not worth paying attention to.

[Biffer]

Those saying no have never tasted a cask strength Talisker 20 year old single malt whisky

Don’t deny the genius of humanity. We make our own gods.

It was meant as a light hearted quip. For whisky you can substitute any art or craft as you see fit.

I was brought up in the Kirk and you can take the laddie out the Kirk etc..

However, the way I look on it all is from something I read on the back of a Jethro Tull album of all things. It said, "In the beginning, Man created God in his own image"

But, you never know, I'm more agnostic than atheist, probably because of my childhood.

Aye, I know, I was being a dick. I’m an atheist, just the way I’ve ended up.

[Jethro]

Not as far as I am concerned

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If there is one he is an arse

Reported due to assigning gender without first determining how the spiritual being in question identifies, shameful just shameful

[Tilly Orifice]

There's one under every rock. Being omnipotent, omniscient and so on, everything in the universe is already exactly how they want it and perfect; therefore they're all perfectly happy and completely inert.

[Guy Smiley]

Who gives a fuck?

[Gumboot]

Who gives a fuck?

Billions of people, apparently. I've never understood the appeal of religion. It's the biggest con job in human history, and the source of untold misery and conflict.

Fairy tales for kids are fine, but nature is magnificent and mind-boggling enough without the need to invent all-powerful supernatural nonsense. Just my 2 cents worth.

[Biffer]

I think religion is an evolutionary byproduct. There's a massive advantage to pattern recognition (simply put, if you see the tail of a tiger, the rest of the tiger is there too) but that has a way of over working so we make patterns that are imaginary, and we start to believe in things that aren't there.

[Line6 HXFX]

So if it is conceivable that in 50 thousand years or 300 thousand years or at any point in our future.. that we as a species will be able to create a big bang, then the big bang that created us was probably man made.
We will be the only things in the universe, you can shake a stick at.. who will have or can have the tech.


Who created the first one, if all we are doing is recreating a big bang?

Who cares.
We created the big bang that created us.
Around 2004 they were terrified that we were going to create a big bang in a particle accelerator.
We are worried about it today.

We are gods.

[Gumboot]

All that apocalyptic day of judgment bollocks is just another instrument for controlling the masses.

[Tilly Orifice]

I think religion is an evolutionary byproduct. There's a massive advantage to pattern recognition (simply put, if you see the tail of a tiger, the rest of the tiger is there too) but that has a way of over working so we make patterns that are imaginary, and we start to believe in things that aren't there.

Nah it's just a behaviour. A natural communal way of dealing with the awe and uncertainty of terrible natural forces and ineffable things like death, thunderstorms and Globus. It's a mistake to get too hung up on doctrine, which is always nonsense, although everybody does.

[Grandpa]

Who gives a fuck?

Billions of people, apparently. I've never understood the appeal of religion. It's the biggest con job in human history, and the source of untold misery and conflict.

Fairy tales for kids are fine, but nature is magnificent and mind-boggling enough without the need to invent all-powerful supernatural nonsense. Just my 2 cents worth.

Amen!

[Slick]

I think religion is an evolutionary byproduct. There's a massive advantage to pattern recognition (simply put, if you see the tail of a tiger, the rest of the tiger is there too) but that has a way of over working so we make patterns that are imaginary, and we start to believe in things that aren't there.

Nah it's just a behaviour. A natural communal way of dealing with the awe and uncertainty of terrible natural forces and ineffable things like death, thunderstorms and Globus. It's a mistake to get too hung up on doctrine, which is always nonsense, although everybody does.

That's how I see it really.

It sometimes amazes me the people that go in for it. My BiL is one of the most analytical and intelligent people I know. Will question everything, take things apart in his spare time to see how they work etc etc. But also a committed Christian, I don't get it.

[Biffer]

I think religion is an evolutionary byproduct. There's a massive advantage to pattern recognition (simply put, if you see the tail of a tiger, the rest of the tiger is there too) but that has a way of over working so we make patterns that are imaginary, and we start to believe in things that aren't there.

Nah it's just a behaviour. A natural communal way of dealing with the awe and uncertainty of terrible natural forces and ineffable things like death, thunderstorms and Globus. It's a mistake to get too hung up on doctrine, which is always nonsense, although everybody does.

That's how I see it really.

It sometimes amazes me the people that go in for it. My BiL is one of the most analytical and intelligent people I know. Will question everything, take things apart in his spare time to see how they work etc etc. But also a committed Christian, I don't get it.

I would say you're both showing our evolved tendency to take a complex situation and give it an easily explained overlay so that we can move on and concentrate on something more important.

I think that behaviour, along with what I mentioned about believing in things that don't exist, are what gives us religion. It's an evolutionary by product, which then became a key factor in development of societies - in particular once we started to settle in place rather than being wandering hunter gatherers.

[Tilly Orifice]

I think religion is an evolutionary byproduct. There's a massive advantage to pattern recognition (simply put, if you see the tail of a tiger, the rest of the tiger is there too) but that has a way of over working so we make patterns that are imaginary, and we start to believe in things that aren't there.

Nah it's just a behaviour. A natural communal way of dealing with the awe and uncertainty of terrible natural forces and ineffable things like death, thunderstorms and Globus. It's a mistake to get too hung up on doctrine, which is always nonsense, although everybody does.

That's how I see it really.

It sometimes amazes me the people that go in for it. My BiL is one of the most analytical and intelligent people I know. Will question everything, take things apart in his spare time to see how they work etc etc. But also a committed Christian, I don't get it.

My wife, and in fact most of her village are pretty religious. Buddhist, though what they believe seems to be mostly folk superstitions and magic, but I have to say I certainly get it. The community building aspect of it is deeply impressive.

[Gumboot]

My ex is a Buddhist, although very much of the cherry-picking, superstitious, what best suits her needs at any given time variety.

My daughter's also a Buddhist, but of a very different sort. She lives her beliefs, even when they cause her real world issues. And I respect her for that.

[ASMO]

Religion is the most genius pyramid scheme ever.

[Tilly Orifice]

My ex is a Buddhist, although very much of the cherry-picking, superstitious, what best suits her needs at any given time variety.

My daughter's also a Buddhist, but of a very different sort. She lives her beliefs, even when they cause her real world issues. And I respect her for that.

Yes, that would take commitment.

[Guy Smiley]

My ex is a Buddhist, although very much of the cherry-picking, superstitious, what best suits her needs at any given time variety.

My daughter's also a Buddhist, but of a very different sort. She lives her beliefs, even when they cause her real world issues. And I respect her for that.

My wife is Thai and they’re proudly Buddhist…

but it’s all gold plated and going to see the monk means paying the bastard.

I’m probably somewhere in the way to being Buddhist myself… but the first principle I identify with there is non attachment. So all that status shit that goes on doesn’t ring my bell.

[Fonz]

Open to correction here, but the way I understand it, Buddhism is more analogous to what we’d typically consider a philosophy, rather than a theological belief system that effectively requires one to accept certain metaphysical assertions (like the Abrahamic religions).

I think.

[yermum]

Agnosticism is a rational choice as there is so much we don’t understand in the universe. We could all be the work of some multidimensional physicist hacker that created our universe for a laugh.

But the don’t masterbate god of the bible is just silly

[Guy Smiley]

Open to correction here, but the way I understand it, Buddhism is more analogous to what we’d typically consider a philosophy, rather than a theological belief system that effectively requires one to accept certain metaphysical assertions (like the Abrahamic religions).

I think.

Yeah... that's how I see it. A philosophy of self realisation and through that a deeper connection with life. There is a common goal of 'enlightenment' when one comprehends.

[OomStruisbaai]

Well I am a Christian. I have a lot of faith.

[TB63]

Well I am a Christian. I have a lot of faith.

Any proof of a god?..

[sefton]

So that is 8 Yarpies who have voted so far.

[Jethro]

Well I am a Christian. I have a lot of faith.

Any proof of a god?..

Just to throw a grenade into things, it's called faith, we have faith that God exists, you prove /he/she/they don't and I'll just mention faith (think South Park covered this).

As long as the God squad aren't waking me up first thing Sunday morning they can go believe what ever they won't.

[OomStruisbaai]

Can I ask to change the heading OP "god" to "God". That's my only request. Thanks.

[Guy Smiley]

Why?

So that everyone has to observe your particular version of the Great Fairytale?

[OomStruisbaai]

Why?

So that everyone has to observe your particular version of the Great Fairytale?

Not at all. just out of respect. It's never about me.

OK he can leave it, I also believe in the mockers.

[Gumboot]

Why?

So that everyone has to observe your particular version of the Great Fairytale?

Not at all. just out of respect. It's never about me.

OK he can leave it, I also believe in the mockers.

So, roughly how many gods do you believe in?

[Calculon]

Don't really believe in the supernatural, and secular in outlook. Of the religions, and having lived in a country with an islamists regime, would say Islam is definitely the kakkest of the lot.

[troglodiet]

Why?

So that everyone has to observe your particular version of the Great Fairytale?

Not at all. just out of respect. It's never about me.

OK he can leave it, I also believe in the mockers.

Oom, ek sal voorstel dat oom hierdie thread heeltemaal vermy. Hulle doel is om mense - gelowiges - uit the tart, reaksies uit the lok, en dan the probeer verkleineer.

Net soos die vêr linkses, is hulle opinie volgens hulle die regte, en enigste opinie. Hulle baseer hulle opinie op 'n oppervakkige verstaan van die Heilige Boeke; die lees wat beide ateïste en gelowe soos Jehova Getuienisse deel, en baseer hulle ateïsme daarop. Hulle verstaan nie dat alles net swart en wit is nie; hulle ignoreer die filosifïese aspek van geloof.

Moenie hierdie probeer debatteedr nie, en nog minder respek te verwag nie.

Daar is 'n baie goeie rede hoekom Vryemesselaars se belangrikste reël is om nie te praat oor godsdiens of geloof nie. Hierdie thread is die perfekte voorbeeld.

[OomStruisbaai]

Why?

So that everyone has to observe your particular version of the Great Fairytale?

Not at all. just out of respect. It's never about me.

OK he can leave it, I also believe in the mockers.

So, roughly how many gods do you believe in?

Does it matter to you? Religion is a personal matter just like atheisms. South Africa is a very diverse country. We all live in peace with each other.

[OomStruisbaai]

Why?

So that everyone has to observe your particular version of the Great Fairytale?

Not at all. just out of respect. It's never about me.

OK he can leave it, I also believe in the mockers.

Oom, ek sal voorstel dat oom hierdie thread heeltemaal vermy. Hulle doel is om mense - gelowiges - uit the tart, reaksies uit the lok, en dan the probeer verkleineer.

Net soos die vêr linkses, is hulle opinie volgens hulle die regte, en enigste opinie. Hulle baseer hulle opinie op 'n oppervakkige verstaan van die Heilige Boeke; die lees wat beide ateïste en gelowe soos Jehova Getuienisse deel, en baseer hulle ateïsme daarop. Hulle verstaan nie dat alles net swart en wit is nie; hulle ignoreer die filosifïese aspek van geloof.

Moenie hierdie probeer debatteedr nie, en nog minder respek te verwag nie.

Daar is 'n baie goeie rede hoekom Vryemesselaars se belangrikste reël is om nie te praat oor godsdiens of geloof nie. Hierdie thread is die perfekte voorbeeld.

Verseker. Ek is nie een wat dweep met godsdiens nie, ek het ook nie n predikant se kennis nie . Dit beteken ook nie dat ek moet skaam wees om te wys ek is n Christen nie.

Weg is ek.