As the dust settles - RWC debrief

[Gumboot]

Best game of the tournament?

France v SA and Ireland v NZ were both great games.

Portugal's first ever RWC win against eventual quarter-finalists Fiji has to be up there...

[average joe]

You lost the game because your players missed their kicks. It has nothing to do with the refs, you had opportunities and you failed to take them.

Yet again, nobody's arguing otherwise.

It was aimed at the birdhead with the chops.

[OomStruisbaai]

There needs to be a concerted effort to grow the sport, and SA needs to be at the forefront of that effort. Because they are.

Well I posted earlier the growth is good in South Africa and Africa.

Beyond that?

before 2002?

[average joe]

You lost the game because your players missed their kicks. It has nothing to do with the refs, you had opportunities and you failed to take them.

That is a typical SA/ENG way to look at rugby. Kicks win games and that's that. There are more ways to win games than kicks, but not if the tech and the protocol doesn't allow it.

No one is claiming there's no other ways to win games. When you lose a game with one point though and missed two kicks, you lost because you missed the kicks.

When you like winning by cheating then it's normal for you to complain about tech, rules and systems that makes it harder to cheat.

[Muttonbird]

You lost the game because your players missed their kicks. It has nothing to do with the refs, you had opportunities and you failed to take them.

That is a typical SA/ENG way to look at rugby. Kicks win games and that's that. There are more ways to win games than kicks, but not if the tech and the protocol doesn't allow it.

No one is claiming there's no other ways to win games. When you lose a game with one point though and missed two kicks, you lost because you missed the kicks.

When you like winning by cheating then it's normal for you to complain about tech, rules and systems that makes it harder to cheat.

Given how important kicks apparently are in one point wins, I am surprised tech is not applied to the lead ups to all scores in rugby, not just tries.

[Gumboot]

When you like winning by cheating then it's normal for you to complain about tech, rules and systems that makes it harder to cheat.

You guys just won consecutive World Cups but continue to believe the world's against you.

Never change.

[TedMaul]

Fucking hell. This is like watching two rats fight over a courgette in a urinal.

[SaintK]

When you like winning by cheating then it's normal for you to complain about tech, rules and systems that makes it harder to cheat.

You guys just won consecutive World Cups but continue to believe the world's against you.

Never change.

As it has been since Saturday and ever was..........for some!

[Slick]

When you like winning by cheating then it's normal for you to complain about tech, rules and systems that makes it harder to cheat.

You guys just won consecutive World Cups but continue to believe the world's against you.

Never change.

As it has been since Saturday and ever was..........for some!

Yes, the last few weeks have been a real eye opener. I thought the Lions series was just a one off with everyone being a bit crazy from Covid, but different breed entirely.

[Jock42]

Leaving a trail of regrets


Scotland. The draw was cruel but they barely fired a shot and seemed to have mentally accepted their fate long before it was mathematically confirmed.

I'm not sure about that, Scotland did exactly as expected, dished out the required bullying of the T2 teams in the group and lost to the two teams especially equipped to dish out the bullying to us.
In the warm up games Scotland beat Italy handily, then struggled in the first half against a second string France before finally getting out of the changing rooms and going on the win comfortably in terms of the game. We then went on to lose by three points to full noise France in Saint-Ettiene, but we were scoring tries.

Going back further to the 6N, we rather shot ourselves in the foot against France before getting duffed up by Ireland.

The team is what it is, flaky under pressure but fun to watch when it clicks.

Do we regret doing exactly as expected? I don't particularly regret it, I'd rather we can find a way to beat those teams like South Africa and Ireland for sure, but do so playing the expansive style that we have.

I get where you’re coming from, but surely you expected more in defeat, particularly to Ireland? That’s a side who’s ceiling is far higher than a side pulling off all their starters 45 mins in. It’s why I think quite genuinely they arrived in France already knowing their departure date.

I absolutely agree with it. A couple of weeks after retiring Hogg stated that it would be SA and Ire would qualify. After the way they stuttered against Ire and failed to turn up in the 2nd half of SA I'd say that was probably the squad consensus (Kinghorn abuse ). If a shite English team can get to a SF and come within a point of beating SA, Scotland should be expecting and doing more. That all said I'm not suggesting Scotland should be winning the WC, or even beating both teams, but they should be giving these sides a game. Nothing has changed since the '19 WC.

Edit: quoted the wrong poster.

[Gumboot]

You guys just won consecutive World Cups but continue to believe the world's against you.

Never change.

As it has been since Saturday and ever was..........for some!

Yes, the last few weeks have been a real eye opener. I thought the Lions series was just a one off with everyone being a bit crazy from Covid, but different breed entirely.

How so?

[Slick]

As it has been since Saturday and ever was..........for some!

Yes, the last few weeks have been a real eye opener. I thought the Lions series was just a one off with everyone being a bit crazy from Covid, but different breed entirely.

How so?

Just the whole everyone hates us, we don't care attitude, that then seems to excuse all the awful behaviour from supporters and management

[OomStruisbaai]

Yes, the last few weeks have been a real eye opener. I thought the Lions series was just a one off with everyone being a bit crazy from Covid, but different breed entirely.

How so?

Just the whole everyone hates us, we don't care attitude, that then seems to excuse all the awful behaviour from supporters and management

Your trolling has been top notch. sad to see the Kiwis jump on your wagon. Always thought they can take it. Sadly not

[Slick]

How so?

Just the whole everyone hates us, we don't care attitude, that then seems to excuse all the awful behaviour from supporters and management

Your trolling has been top notch. sad to see the Kiwis jump on your wagon. Always thought they can take it. Sadly not

Aww, that's the first nice thing you've said to me. Thank you

[Gumboot]

How so?

Just the whole everyone hates us, we don't care attitude, that then seems to excuse all the awful behaviour from supporters and management

Your trolling has been top notch. sad to see the Kiwis jump on your wagon. Always thought they can take it. Sadly not

Sigh, I honestly don't know what more to do to acknowledge your achievement. You just don't want to take yes for an answer. Sad.

[average joe]

When you like winning by cheating then it's normal for you to complain about tech, rules and systems that makes it harder to cheat.

You guys just won consecutive World Cups but continue to believe the world's against you.

Never change.

Nice of you to extract a sentence from a reply to a different poster and make it out to be something it's not. Your friend birdbrain muttonchop's has been going on about how the "new TMO protocols" is designed to hamper the AB's way of playing. Perhaps you need to explain how "the worlds not against you" thing works to him instead.

[Gumboot]

When you like winning by cheating then it's normal for you to complain about tech, rules and systems that makes it harder to cheat.

You guys just won consecutive World Cups but continue to believe the world's against you.

Never change.

Nice of you to extract a sentence from a reply to a different poster and make it out to be something it's not. Your friend birdbrain muttonchop's has been going on about how the "new TMO protocols" is designed to hamper the AB's way of playing. Perhaps you need to explain how "the worlds not against you" thing works to him instead.

Oh ffs, who cares?

Really, who fucking cares???

You won. Isn't that enough? Why do you give a flying fuck what Muttonbird thinks? Doesn't this speak more to your insecurities than his?

And why are you unable to divorce a discussion about the wider issues in the game from your completely unrelated and ridiculous belief that others are casting doubt on your win.

Which couldn't be further from the truth! But I'm starting to think you're maybe not so interested in the truth as feeling aggrieved...

Pathetic!

[sockwithaticket]

Oh ffs, who cares?

Really, who fucking cares???

You won. Isn't that enough? Why do you give a flying fuck what Muttonbird thinks? Doesn't this speak more to your insecurities than his?

And why are you unable to divorce a discussion about the wider issues in the game from your completely unrelated and ridiculous belief that others are casting doubt on your win.

Which couldn't be further from the truth! But I'm starting to think you're maybe not so interested in the truth as feeling aggrieved...

Pathetic!

No, it's not and it's really tiresome. It's obviously not all Bok fans who are like this, but they seem to have a far greater proportion of boorish yet wildly insecure supporters than any other nation.

[Gumboot]

They complain about cheating but then claim to have god on their side. How unfair is that?

[Gumboot]

The Boks pre-match prayer must have counted for more than the ABs' one. We didn't stand a chance. Robbed.

[Gumboot]

We must have had more sinners in our starting XV. It's the only logical explanation for our loss.

[average joe]

You guys just won consecutive World Cups but continue to believe the world's against you.

Never change.

Nice of you to extract a sentence from a reply to a different poster and make it out to be something it's not. Your friend birdbrain muttonchop's has been going on about how the "new TMO protocols" is designed to hamper the AB's way of playing. Perhaps you need to explain how "the worlds not against you" thing works to him instead.

Oh ffs, who cares?

Really, who fucking cares???

You won. Isn't that enough? Why do you give a flying fuck what Muttonbird thinks? Doesn't this speak more to your insecurities than his?

And why are you unable to divorce a discussion about the wider issues in the game from your completely unrelated and ridiculous belief that others are casting doubt on your win.

Which couldn't be further from the truth! But I'm starting to think you're maybe not so interested in the truth as feeling aggrieved...

Pathetic!

You have it all wrong mate. I was merely stating facts to someone that felt you lost because of the officiating. You know like, raising my opinion and having a discussion on the game of rugby.

All I have to offer is more of the same.

I haven't heard anyone arguing that the officiating cost NZ the game.

Everyone agrees the Boks won fair and square.

This isn't true. The officiating certainly cost NZ the game. Wayne Barnes could have taken far more ownership of the decisions instead of acquiescing to a TMO half a city away. The evidence Foley submitted and insisted overturn the first try was paper thin at best, wrong in fact. Would never happen in any other sport with similar tech.

Barnes after all was the official with ultimate authority. I'm assuming here the actual referee still has ultimate authority?

[average joe]

Now you're just trolling, mate.

[Gumboot]

Now you're just trolling, mate.

No shit

Just ignore the noise and enjoy the win. Believe it or not, I'm happy for you.

[Calculon]

What does the law say about “intent”? Establishing intent is pretty difficult and subjective so would think it would be better to referee according to the action, rather than “intent”. Players will have to change their mindset so that instinctive “non intentional” tackles, that are now being carded, are eliminated from their game. Obviously I’m highly biased but I think all the cards in the final were correct decisions

Fair point.

But in terms of "intent", I never played with or against anyone who went into a head-on-head contact with malicious intent.

As Shag said, the game's now being reffed in replay.

Maybe, but in the biggest game of the last four years they were always going to be extra cautious with the reffing and use the TMO a lot. Let's see how things pan out over the next year before we get too worried. As for shag's point that the game is losing fans in droves, is this really true, im not so sure. Anyway, this thread has turned pretty negative so on a positive note I think the Kiwi and Irish fans have been brilliant this work cup

[OomStruisbaai]

See the Barrett broers ignored CR at the medal ceremony.

He gave them the look.

[Uncle fester]

CR?

[OomStruisbaai]

CR?

South African President Cyril Ramaphosa

[Sards]

CR?

South African President Cyril Ramaphosa

I wasn't going to read it when I saw the video
Really strange behavior

[Slick]

CR?

South African President Cyril Ramaphosa

Thank god you lot have Kolisi. The captain having to call off the hate at his post match press conference, jesus.

[OomStruisbaai]

CR?

South African President Cyril Ramaphosa

Thank god you lot have Kolisi. The captain having to call off the hate at his post match press conference, jesus.

What are you trolling again?

[Slick]

South African President Cyril Ramaphosa

Thank god you lot have Kolisi. The captain having to call off the hate at his post match press conference, jesus.

What are you trolling again?

Not trolling. I just think it's incredible that your captain had to take time out of his victory press conference to ask supporters to stop targeting Barrett online. I've never seen that before. Maybe it's commonplace in SA?

[Chilli]

Two sad things here.

The common trolls who are really poor sports .
And the posters who rise to the trolls and give them even more ammunition.

[TedMaul]

How are you going to separate those Chilli.
One is keening for attention, the other quite the opposite. Gumboot wafting around and some scummers nibbling around his incisors.

[TedMaul]

See the Barrett broers ignored CR at the medal ceremony.

He gave them the look.

What part of this shameless shitfighting actually makes you happy you cock.

[OomStruisbaai]

Thank god you lot have Kolisi. The captain having to call off the hate at his post match press conference, jesus.

What are you trolling again?

Not trolling. I just think it's incredible that your captain had to take time out of his victory press conference to ask supporters to stop targeting Barrett online. I've never seen that before. Maybe it's commonplace in SA?

Oh , great form from him, also praising the All Black players.

There has always been good sportsmanship, war on the field, friends off the field. You should experience this in the URC aswell.

Tats why I was disappointed with Willie le Roux childish act against England.

[TedMaul]

Wow.
Oom: that’s actually great to hear. Good on ya.

[Chilli]

How are you going to separate those Chilli.
One is keening for attention, the other quite the opposite. Gumboot wafting around and some scummers nibbling around his incisors.

It's like farting against thunder.

[Guy Smiley]

You lost the game because your players missed their kicks. It has nothing to do with the refs, you had opportunities and you failed to take them.

That is a typical SA/ENG way to look at rugby. Kicks win games and that's that. There are more ways to win games than kicks, but not if the tech and the protocol doesn't allow it.

No one is claiming there's no other ways to win games. When you lose a game with one point though and missed two kicks, you lost because you missed the kicks.

When you like winning by cheating then it's normal for you to complain about tech, rules and systems that makes it harder to cheat.

The referee apologised to the All Black captain for incorrectly penalising him at a ruck. The ABs should have had that penalty... instead, Pollard kicked a goal. Those three points weren't really the Boks right to score.


I'm not complaining about that, these things happen and it's the way of the game.

But it shits all over your argument like a wildebeest stuck in a coffee shop. Which is how you guys 'discuss' things, coincidentally.

[Uncle fester]

That is a typical SA/ENG way to look at rugby. Kicks win games and that's that. There are more ways to win games than kicks, but not if the tech and the protocol doesn't allow it.

No one is claiming there's no other ways to win games. When you lose a game with one point though and missed two kicks, you lost because you missed the kicks.

When you like winning by cheating then it's normal for you to complain about tech, rules and systems that makes it harder to cheat.

The referee apologised to the All Black captain for incorrectly penalising him at a ruck. The ABs should have had that penalty... instead, Pollard kicked a goal. Those three points weren't really the Boks right to score.


I'm not complaining about that, these things happen and it's the way of the game.

But it shits all over your argument like a wildebeest stuck in a coffee shop. Which is how you guys 'discuss' things, coincidentally.

On another day, the try you did keep on the board would have been checked for the very iffy final pass and you wouldn't have been close at the finish.